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Topic: American backed Kurdistan
Posted By: usama
Subject: American backed Kurdistan
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 12:19pm

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

  Allah (SWT) informed us that HE made us into different tribes and nations to better get to know one another.  As translated from the Holy Quran:

49:13 O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, <>Asad(49,15)   and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. <>Asad(49,16)  Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.

And He (SWT) instructed us as to the nature of the bond between Muslim peoples:

3:102 O you who have attained to faith! Be conscious of God with all the consciousness that is due to Him, and do not allow death to overtake you ere you have surrendered yourselves unto Him.

3:103 And hold fast, all together, unto the bond with God, and do not draw apart from one another. And remember the blessings which God has bestowed upon you: how, when you were enemies, He brought your hearts together, so that through His blessing you became brethren; and [how, when] you were on the brink of a fiery abyss. <>Asad(3,79)  He saved you from it. In this way God makes clear His messages unto you, so that you might find guidance,

3:104 and that there might grow out of you a community [of people] who invite unto all that is good, and enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong: and it is they, they who shall attain to a happy state!

3:105 And be not like those who have drawn apart from one another and have taken to conflicting views after all evidence of the truth has come unto them: for these it is for whom tremendous suffering is in store."

But today, ecspecially in the Middle East, Muslims have taken to nationalism that violates the instructions of these holy verses and fatally calls forth the disastrous result of such a violation. 

After over 100 years of nationalist designs, Kurdish Muslims are on the precipice of forming yet another Muslim nationalist state carved out of the body of the Muslim Ummah.  The Iraqi govt is planning a constitutionally mandated Kirkuk referendum as to whether the provincial authority of the city of Kirkuk should reside with the Kurdistan province or with the lower Arab provinces. The result of this referendum could give the Kurdistan confederacy a rich powerful city and massive oil and energy wealth which would all but seal the Kurdish nationalist movement beyond the reach of Baghdad's reach and the diplomacy of any nation seeking to resist the birth of yet another Muslim nation state.  An autonomous and wealthy Kurdistan would seek to annex eastern Turkey and threaten western Iran. American and Israeli operatives are already working with Kurdish rebels to offset Iran and subsequently Turkey.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ID14Ak02.html - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ID14Ak02.html

What's your opinion on a Kurdish state in light of Allah's instructions on believers being united?

America and Israel appear to be advocates of a Kurdish state, given that former sec.s of state Baker, Kissinger, amb.s Holbrooke, Galbraith and others all support it even though it serves as yet another terrible division of the Muslim world. American diplomacy and largely served in the interest of dividing nations rather than uniting them, thereby enabling American interests therein.  This has been for centuries.

What do you think of America's role in this?

 



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Let there arise from amongst you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and they are the successful ones. Al Imran:104



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Posted By: usama
Date Posted: 15 April 2007 at 1:42pm

Excerpt from the http://www.motherjones.com - www.motherjones.com article addressing the same point:

The Mossad’s former Irbil station chief, Eliezer Geizi Tsafrir, told me that like the Israelis, the Kurds regard themselves as an historically stateless people surrounded by hostile nations. Back when Tsafrir served in Irbil, he even helped set up a Kurdish intelligence service, in cooperation with the Barzani patriarch, Mustafa Barzani. “They [the Kurds] approached us, saying they had nobody to help them in the world, and our people had suffered too,” he said. “We supplied them with cannons, guns, anti-air equipment, all sorts of equipment, and even lobbying. The contacts between us, and the sympathy, will last for generations to come."



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Let there arise from amongst you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and they are the successful ones. Al Imran:104


Posted By: Darkseid
Date Posted: 20 May 2007 at 10:48am

Kurdistan will achieve their independence.

 

If you find it difficult to establish peace in Kurdistan then you should consider taking advantage of the situation of each of your oppressor states.

Iran

You have the following to make an alliance with in order to take land away from Iran.

- Azeris (Azerbaijan)

- Talysh (Talyshistan), consider the Azeris to give a small bit of their land to the Talysh as means of trade as they are about to double the size of their country. I mean they are just giving the Talysh just a smidget of land. Certainly they can live with that.

- Gilaki (Gilakistan)

- Mazandarani (Mazandaranistan)

- Balochi (Balochistan, Pakistan)

- Turkmen (Turkmenistan)

- Lur (Luristan)

- Qashqai (Qashqaistan)

- Arabs (Shi'a Iraq and Iran, Sumer and Elam)

- Your fellow Kurds living in the North-East

- Afghanis (Afghanistan)

The Farsi Iranians will be so swarmed with enemies that they will have no other choice but to hand over all the land not belonging to them to independent countries, which including giving Kurdish land to the Kurds.

In terms of creating alliances with countries, you should work with Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, and the Shiites of Iraq (Sumer).

You should promise Azeri land to Azerbaijan, but you should also promise land to the Talysh. You should simply state that if the Azeri people give rightful land to the Talysh that both the Kurds and the Talysh will have their back while fighting against the Farsi-Iranians. Promising to give them that southern peice of land to Azerbaijan will definitely get them to on your side, because they no longer need to travel through Armenia to get to the other half of their country.

You should promise Turkmen land to Turkmenistan and promise to help form an independent state for your fellow Kurds in the North-East.

You should promise Balochi land to Balochistan of Pakistan, which will insure Pakistan's Nuclear Arms to aid your fight against Iran in the case that Iran should become Nuclear.

You should also promise Afghani land to Afghanistan which also insure their participation, cutting off and isolating most Iran around its enemies.

You could also gain help from the Armenians if you can work with the Azeris in giving Nagorno-Karabakh and western corresponding lands. This will help insure less confrontation between Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh and it will insure help from the Armenians for Anti-Iranian Alliance. Remember that Azerbaijan will still have more to gain from this war.

You should also promise the Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Lurs, and Qashqais their own countries as well, which will insure that they support you.

You might be gaining assistance from Saudi Arabia for taking on the Iranians in the first place. They know they have nothing to fear from you guys and they hate Iran enough to give you their help.

But I would consider giving the Arabs of Southern Iran their own state, since they are Shiites.

And I would consider Elam area of Khuzestan to the Shiites of Southern Iraq (Sumer), which will allow you to have their assistance.

With all of these forces on your side, there is no way you could lose. It is overkill on Iran.

Syria


The worst thing that could happen is that the Sunni area of Iraq (Akkad) decides to join forces with Syria, but if that happens then you could consider joining forces with Israel, since the Syrians fear the Israelis. Maybe if you could work out a deal between Lebanon, Israel, and Palestine you in forming a federation that could best serve in the interest of all three countries then they might all consider joining your cause against the Syrians.

Kuwait and Jordan though easy to support against the Shiite Arabs and Israelis aren't dumb enough to go against Saudi Arabia. And with Lebanon and Palestine working in argreement with the Israelis, then you should have more of an agreement with Jordan to work with you guys. As for Kuwait if you get the Shiite Arabs to work in an argreement to not harm Kuwait (otherwise you'll annihilate them) then that should insure some help from Kuwait.

I would also considering getting some help from the Assyrians due to their being 500,000 Assyrians living in Syria. You just need to promise them their own state with reasonable boundaries, so they will help you. Also you could gain help from the Druze populace by working with Israel to establish a Druze state in the Golan heights.

But... the Syrians because of their close area to Turkey, may consider joining forces with them.

Turkey

Turkey is one country that seems to be the greatest threat to Kurdistan and yet can be the easiest country to declare war against.

Turkey is a country greatly divided against it self with Istanbul favoring a secular government, a great hatrid from the Greeks to the East, and the several ethnic groups that would want their own country.

You have the Zaza people that related to Kurds in the East next to Kurdistan.

You also have the Levantine Arabs in the south.

You have the Laz people in North-Eastern Turkey.

They might not be such a good idea to form an alliance with because there are some of them that live in Georgia that want their independence from Georgia, but I think you could work around that. Promise the Laz people their land and if Georgia should declare war then you have the Azeris and Armenians on your side plus you can get the Ossetians and Abkhaz people on your side as well if you promise them independence. You should only work with the Southern Ossetians, because North Ossetia lies in Russia and that my friend is too great of an enemy to fight with dividing them against themselves. I myself as being part Russian can rightfully tell you that it is a no-win situation unless you could get Russia to divide against it self.

Also that would be too many enemies to fight and I think the Ossetians can work on their own towards unification of their lands.

You could also work with the Pontic Greeks promising them a return of their land in Pontus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks

There are roughly 2,000,000 Pontic Greeks. That is a good number of people to form an alliance with.

Having Greeks on your side will even increase the support from Greece against Turkey.

And with having Greece on your side that automatically makes the European Union on your side. That means all European Union members will be on your side against Turkey.

You might have a problem with the Turks of Cyprus running a muck. But if you can work with the people of Cyprus to form a federalize government that can work in favor of both people then they shouldn't be a problem.

This huge number of people will will insure a swift and great defeat on Turkey (Anatolia Turkey, since Istanbul will be on your side to insure its Secular way of life).

In fact if you could establish these alliances early before engaging into war, it will insure a near instantious victory which will shorten the number of deaths.

In fact, there might not even be a war, because Iran, Syria, and Turkey (with possibly Georgia) will become so intimidated.

 

Originally posted by usama

What's your opinion on a Kurdish state in light of Allah's instructions on believers being united?

America and Israel appear to be advocates of a Kurdish state, given that former sec.s of state Baker, Kissinger, amb.s Holbrooke, Galbraith and others all support it even though it serves as yet another terrible division of the Muslim world. American diplomacy and largely served in the interest of dividing nations rather than uniting them, thereby enabling American interests therein.  This has been for centuries.

What do you think of America's role in this?

Will you shut up! Allah's only wish is for people to remain united in terms of peace. YOU CANNOT HAVE PEACE IN OPPRESSION!

So give the Kurds their own state, so that you can then work on establishing a federation just as Muhammad would have wanted.

Do you think Muhammad would want his people oppressing each other?

 

HELLO! That is exactly what the Iranians, Turks, and Syrians are doing.

 

Muhammad's enemies are not people pertaining to a different faith. It is those within his own faith that support imperialism and fascism and you sir support imperialism over the Kurds. So I hope you have a fine afterlife in Jahannam.

Those who ignored, or only pretended to believe in Allah remain in Jahannam after Qiyamah (Judgment Day).

And you sir do look like you are just pretending to be a muslim, since Allah's ways are to condemn the practice of Fascism and Imperialism (as in enslaving an entire group of people under the nation of another like the Turks have done to the Kurds).

Now choose your allegiance. Will you choose to continue this game of yours against Allah or will you finally side with the Kurds in their rightful need to establish their own state in your caliphate. Think of it like that. 



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One man cannot change the word, but a society can make a difference.


Posted By: VoiceOf
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 4:22pm

We do not have give somethink from our land to PKK.....

PKK are terrorist.  We will fight for our land until our last drop of blood....

 

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(CNN) -- The United States is urging Turkey to show restraint after Kurdish rebels attacked its forces on Sunday, killing at least 17 Turkish soldiers and wounding 16 others near Turkey's border with Iraq and Iran, according to Turkey's defense minister.

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Posted By: VoiceOf
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 4:31pm

I forgot 2 say.... Where was Barzani and Talabani in the Time of Saddam? They have got Passport from Turkish govouerment and raised everywhere in the world... Those both are piker...

Now they are yelling to Turkey,with weapons and guns MADE in USA...

We will fight our land, because we are not racist, there are lot kurdish muslims and people in Turkey they like Turkey and like to life in Turkey....Because our samepoint is we are ummah of rasulullah saw and we are citizen of Turkish Republic....Those who want from our land, is all are Terrorist...

Islam  allows to defend themselfs land....It is not forbidden...

I hope our goverment make rest for them both Talabani and Barzani and never let come to turkey...Bann to Visit Turkey....

 

Those mothers are Muslim and reading Quran...For their sons killed in Turkey from PKK Terrorists.....

 

 

 

We do not invase  irak and kill...

The Ummah Is Sleeping.....



Posted By: Tom123
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 7:02am
Originally posted by VoiceOf

We do not have give somethink from our land to PKK.....

PKK are terrorist.  We will fight for our land until our last drop of blood....

 

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(CNN) -- The United States is urging Turkey to show restraint after Kurdish rebels attacked its forces on Sunday, killing at least 17 Turkish soldiers and wounding 16 others near Turkey's border with Iraq and Iran, according to Turkey's defense minister.

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   You mean you won't give up the land your leaders stole from the Kurds? Israel refuses to return land to the Palestinians in the West Bank too. That is why both Turkey and Israel will never have true peace, because the people they are occupying will keep fighting to get their land back.

   Many of the PKK certainly are terrorists. So are Turkish soldiers and police who shot dead protesters in Diyarbakir last year and the pilots who have just bombed an Iraqi village yesterday.

   You want an end to terrorism??? Then stop supporting the terrorist  crimes of your government and work for an end of oppression against the people whose territories your leaders are occupying!!!

   Cristo Vive!
    - Tomasz


Posted By: usama
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 8:07am

Indeed, the Ummah of the beloved Prophet (saaw) sleeps. Insha Allah it is waking from its slumber.

The Prophet (saaw) is reported to have said:

Those who call for "asabiyah" are not from among us, those who fight for "asabiyah" are not from among us, and those who die for "asabiyah" are not from among us" (sahih from Abu Da`ud). And the ulama understand "asabiyah" to mean: tribalism. And that tribalism and chauvinism is the precursor and brother of nationalism: qaumiyah. And "asabiyah" and "qaumiyah" are of the same as "racism".

And there are many more ahadith, traditions, of the Prophet (saaw) condemning the cause of nationalism/asabiyah.  

The Muslims of Kurdish ethnicity should realize that they are not the first to call for nationalism. But they have been spared the terrible sins, corruption, and chaos which emerges from a nationalist state carved from the sleeping body of the Ummah. 

Recent history reveals many cases of Muslim nations carved out of the Muslim Ummah only to lead to terrible pain for all, Muslim and nonMuslim, and for the benefit of the enemies.

 The Partition of India into 3 states caused millions of deaths, rapes, oppression, suffering.  The rebellion of East Pakistan, Bangledesh, from Pakistan resulted in the deaths of 100s of 1000s of Muslims at the hands of other Muslims at the urging of the enemies of Allah.

Brothers, the best of the Kurds did not call for nationalism and kill fellow Muslims for "asabiyah". He called for the deen of Allah to be superior. He did not submit to the military power of the enemies of Allah over the Muslim lands, he called for and fought for the liberation of Muslim lands from the enemies and for the deen of Allah to be superior.   The best of the Kurds was Salahudeen al Ayyubi (rha).

Who now is better than the Prophet (saaw) and better than Salahudeen (rha)? Who now knows better?

Repent to Allah AWJ and turn to the Deen of Allah (SWT) for guidance.  



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Let there arise from amongst you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and they are the successful ones. Al Imran:104


Posted By: VoiceOf
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 5:16pm

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   You mean you won't give up the land your leaders stole from the Kurds? 
 
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hey. I will not know what your leaders stole. :) you know better than me..

But we dont stole, we are keeping this land islamic..Alhamdulillah.... We do know what our leader do, for what and we also know your leader what they do and for what a reason...

And that is the different betwen us and you...I m  talking about PKK and not Kurds...

Guys like you are funy, you are saying, dont support terrorist but you see the  right of PKK to take our land? Killings is always bad and terrorist act, you said that, dont turn my words, PKK  to Kurd. They are not same....

Its not only they are terrorist, who you and your leader declare some1 terrorist... PKK are terrorist if you accept or not, no interest about it...



Posted By: dillo3001
Date Posted: 12 March 2009 at 12:01am
I would like reply to youre coment.
I really dont know why you calling kurds are terrorist, you have said it youre self (self deffense is not forbiden)
i dont hate turks, i dont like them ( why) no humanity and plse no hard feeling,
if you consider youre self a muslim please read and understand the quran then talk about kurds, turks are killing kurds for years and years , same with saddams army , just for the record i dont blame anythhing on saddam it was people in that country was killing kurds,
i am not trying to argue are anything please dont take this wrong way,
i was in turkey 1991 refuge camp. do u relize what happined on thos erefuge camps. seriously those turks solders where considered muslim and they where shotting us right there. i was there , they didnt helps us they killed us,
 and i have never seen any turk person saying anything good about kurds , man i ave done lot of research chatting with turks on , on,. i have never seen one so far.
kurds are humans they didnt just come from no where! for the 2nd record,
barzani never had a chance to come through turkey freely proove me wrong?
where in 21 century we all need to learn from mistakes have been in our lif  ever since . what do we need , what does turks need and kurds, i belive that everyone if you ask , their just looking for freedom, if i am not wrong.
in both sides people get killed for nothing and government allways get away with it.
if you go ask those kurds in turkey 95 % they dont like the government of turkey and their not in youre land part of that its thier territory. they dont like the government but they can say anything bad about it, or else will get either jail, turtured, o r killed.


Posted By: SteppeNomad
Date Posted: 02 August 2009 at 2:06am

Haha Turks have no humanity?

Turks have been tolerating traitors and parasites like you for a long time now, you who want to jump on the separation wagon, be happy we aint slaughtered your people yet, in Europe theyd lock you up, in America, China or Russia theyd lynch you or hang you for the nonsense you people create, in Turkey our government looks after such dogs.

And lastly LOL, no offence, who are you Kurds? if us Turks hated you Kurds or anyone, you wouldn’t be alive right now, thing you nationless people dont even get along with each other and you think your going to beat us Turks? LOL, make me laugh, we came all the way from central asia and been kicking everyones ass since, including yours.

Just a little advise, look what happened to Armenians and Greeks, so tred your steps carefully ;) Just like France and England didnt last there for long, nore will America, and you separatist Kurds will be barking Genocide in a 100 years time just like Armenians, at this rate most of you are going.
 

P.S i wouldnt be talking if i didnt have a nation LOL.

 
Anyway, lets get onto some interesting facts.
 

Turkey has had Kurdish presidents, and MPs, plenty of them.

Currently even supporters of that pig group PKK are in the parliament as MPs, in England you don’t get HT members running for election, we even let your pigs into our parliament (already full with Secularists pigs) you seperatists terrorists just make it stink more.

Kurds serve in the Turkish army just like everyone else, oh we mistrust you lot so much don’t we, we give you guns to defend our country?

When Saddam gassed and bombed Kurds? Where did you all run to? Oh oh yes, evil Turkey?

What passport was Barzani and Talibani carrying? Oh damn an evil Turkish passport.

We killed you? Liar Liar, thats why your alive ;) LOLand a refugee camp is a great way to jugde Turkey ha? LOL.

95% of Kurds don’t like the Turkish government? Again liar liar lol, most Kurds in Turkey Vote for either CHP(secularists) and those are the Alevi, Bekhtasi groups, they love CHP, or at the moment so called Muslim party AKP, only a few of the votes go to DTP (terrorists, separatist supporters).

 Oh, btw im a Turk, have Kurds in family, married to relatives, proves your doggish, slanted point totally wrong, most Kurds living in Turkey are law abiding citizens, only PKK dogs that cuase trouble.

Funny thing is, most these Kurds that think they know so much about Turkey are Iraqi Kurds LOL. Must be in the blood of some people to traitor.

And btw, if we stole your land, then fight for it, we even clean the dead pigs we kill in the mountains and send your bodies back to your relatives. If you want your own country, then be ready to live another 1000 years under Turkish rule, not the Armenians, Greeks, Americans, Russians or anyone will save you so stop barking and live your life as a human.

BTW, the map some pig posted is Funny, North Eastern Turkey has the most nationalistic religo Turk alive LOL (im from there), and the Arabs in Hatay (ive been there) are no different then Turks, all loyal brothers that give Turkey its rich heritage and culture, unlike some traitoring nationless people.
 
Now keep barking :) America aint going to save you lot for sure Tongue
 
You lot stick to you maps and thoerys LOL


Posted By: SteppeNomad
Date Posted: 03 August 2009 at 3:15am
Originally posted by Tom123

  You mean you won't give up the land your leaders stole from the Kurds? Israel refuses to return land to the Palestinians in the West Bank too. That is why both Turkey and Israel will never have true peace, because the people they are occupying will keep fighting to get their land back.
 
 

Comparing this issue to that off Palestine? LOL

Turks aint building walls, we aint shooting little children or bombing settlements to the ground, infact Kurds who abide by the law are no different then us Turks.
 
Turks have been in them lands for a long time now, historically before you missionary ancestors arrived in America and wiped out the natives Wink,  anyway I didnt see Kurds fighting for their independence against England, France, Russia, Greece, Armenians etc who tried to occupy them lands. So much for the “stole our lands” nonsense.  
 

If we all go by the “stole our land crap”, you might want to support Persian or Greek claims over there instead, although Persians dont and Greeks keep dreaming, but thats another matter, Kurds to migrated there, its the centre between Europe and Asia, people have been settling, lived, fought, died, disappeared in Anatolia (Turkey) for a long time now. If we could trace the hittites  we might want to give them an empire back to ha?



 
Originally posted by Tom123

 Many of the PKK certainly are terrorists. So are Turkish soldiers and police who shot dead protesters in Diyarbakir last year and the pilots who have just bombed an Iraqi village yesterday..
 

Such a two faced liar, those were not villages, they were known PKK hideouts and training camps. I dont know what a village of that sort is doing thousands of feet up a mountain, ironically most PKK activities were from there, upset we killed a few of your scum bags?

And shooting and killing PKK terrorist supporters is not a problem, if they dont like Turkey, they can simply leave and see how welcoming our neighbours are, im sure they wouldnt tolerate half the crap we do from these terrorists, you might want to check how Syria suppressed a riot last year, and how Iran hangs them terrorists, which I support 100% well done.

Breaking shop windows, taking off pavement stones, throwing stones at the police, burning and starting fired in the middle of the road is terrorism, so is supporting terrorists who are in prison.

  
Originally posted by Tom123

 You want an end to terrorism??? Then stop supporting the terrorist  crimes of your government and work for an end of oppression against the people whose territories your leaders are occupying!!!
 
 

Quite simple, when the pig governments of EU, and the Anglo/Amerikano front stop funding these terrorists and arming them, it will be finished. If not, expect more dead scumbag dead and protesting. Which is totally fine by us Turks either way :) our boys will just do their job.

If anyone wants our country, then we will fight for it until our last drop of blood. Not giving our country up to a few pigs.



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