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Topic: Somalia
Posted By: EastAfrican
Subject: Somalia
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 6:54am

Just wanted to know what people think of the goings on in Somalia. The news coverage is very poor and limited to a quick mention rather than an in depth analysis. Its not Iraq or Palestine but its under occupation non the less!




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Posted By: Megatron
Date Posted: 01 April 2007 at 10:05am

I think Somalia from the Muslim perspective is being treated as an Iraq or Palestine.  From an Al-Qaeda perspective, however, these are Ethiopian troops so there's not that eagerness of Arabs to go there and kill them as they do with U.S. or Israeli soldiers.

One must consider that this move by Ethiopia is completely backed by the U.S.  And is yet another example of the U.S. meddling in the affairs of other countries.  My prediction as was the prediction about Iraq is that this is going to blow up in the U.S.'s face much like Iraq is right now.

As for the poor media coverage, ignoring African affairs is common in Western journalism.  I believe this lack of attention has to do with some underlying racism, but that's just me.



Posted By: crasss
Date Posted: 02 April 2007 at 3:59am
The Somalis are very unfortunate that they must suffer such a disproportionate share of the burden to fight off this American Lordist elite that tries to enslave them, just like they are trying to enslave the entire planet.

I see, however, a common pattern of military error in all these conflicts on the Muslim side (Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia). They should read the Art of War, by Sun Tsu.

When faced with a military superior enemy, you cannot win the war by direct confrontation. You are bound to lose. You should also never allow the enemy to choose the battlefield. And it is obvious that they let the Ethiopians have the initiative. That is wrong.

Every modern army starts failing when you manage to rupture their supply lines. Especially without gasoline, they cannot operate any technology any longer. They will be back to man-to-man combat in the streets, and this is where the insurgents have the advantage.

It is very hard for any army to protect its supply lines. The Ethiopians must obviously be trucking large amounts of gasoline, ammunition, spare parts, and other supplies over land, using long stretched roads, or else use one of the ports, including the port of Mogadisciu.

The solution is to ambush these supply trucks, instead of fighting in the streets of Mogadisciu. Let them have these streets for the time being.

The insurgents should make sure, however, that few of the supplies coming over land or over sea, reaches these occupation forces. That can be effected with rather undangerous, unpredictable hit-and-run attacks on trucks and ships while they are docking in the ports.

Instead of shelling the Ugandan troops, the insurgents should shell the airport's runways, and damage them sufficiently, so that  neither reinforcements nor supply planes can take off or land in Mogadisciu.

Making this happen, is a lot easier than confronting the occupation forces directly, has the same effect, and keeps the initiative on the insurgents' side. It requires the occupation forces to spread themselves thin, trying to protect strategic points from the insurgents. Now they suddenly need a lot more troops. And they may not have them.

As soon as the occupation forces are running low of the supplies needed to power tanks, fighter jets, and armoured vehicles, the whole fight goes back to man-to-man in the streets. That is where the insurgents should shine and decisively defeat the enemy.

Attacking enemy supply lines, is how the Vietnamese liberation forces managed to defeat the French occupation forces in Dien Bien Phu in 1954. The French had an overwhelming advantage in technology and military equipment, but to no avail, because they eventually had no other option than to surrender.



Posted By: EastAfrican
Date Posted: 02 April 2007 at 6:23am

Thanks for your replies guys.

Well it looks as though some sort of truce has been established. Many are burying their dead after four days of fighting. The death toll is in the hundreds.

The difficult thing to believe is that Ethiopia was 'invited' into Somalia to rid it of the Islamic Courts who brought about a peace unseen for 16 years in the capital. The president is a former warlord and so are many of the ministers.

Reminds me of the following Hadeeth and how Muslims rulers need to re-examine it.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 116:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

The Prophet said, "Everyone of you is a guardian and everyone of you is responsible (for his wards). A ruler is a guardian and is responsible(for his subjects); a man is a guardian of his family and responsible (for them); a wife is a guardian of her husband's house and she is responsible (for it), a slave is a guardian of his master's property and is responsible (for that). Beware! All of you are guardians and are responsible (for your wards)."

Sahih Bukhari



Posted By: Neima Abduljeli
Date Posted: 02 April 2007 at 7:44am

Peace and blessings be up on all of us.

The Ethiopian Government thinks that it is Eritrea, (who was part of Ethiopia before the referendum of 1992.  Eritrea declared war on Ethiopia in 1998 and defeated by the Ethiopian military- Ethiopians are known for their victorious war against Italy- There are lots of UN, African Union and other international offices in the capital city of Ethiopia), who equips the Islamic military.  The Eritrean government wanted to destabilize the Ethiopian government.  (The Eritrean President and the Ethiopian prime minister were friends in the Gorilla fighting of the communist regime of Ethiopia.)

 

So for Ethiopia stabilizing the government of Somalia is the important thing for its own safety.  About America you know what happened to the American troops in the 1990ís.  So your enemyís enemy is my friend.  That s where America falls in to the picture.  Though it is up to the Somalis to choose between the two governments, the Ethiopian government main concern is the issue of the Eritrean Government.

 

I think if we can see it from this perspective we will know what the Americanís and the Ethiopianís stand will be.  The Ethiopians will go out the soonest possible if they get the assurance of peace there in Somalia.  About the Americans we will see what will happen in the future. 

 

By the way does Somalia have natural resources like Petroleum Oil? If we know this one of the puzzles will be answered.

 

We selam

 



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Posted By: EastAfrican
Date Posted: 03 April 2007 at 11:41pm

Somalia has (apparently) Oil, Uranium, copper, zince, iron ore, tin.



Posted By: mohammad
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 5:24am

Sorry for my poor knowledge about somilia, but what is the my point that America is interfering in every that place where the any Muslim fundamentalists getting organize and attempting to not only act on islam by own selves but also attempting to bring this change  in the whole society.

I am looking a very close resemblance between Afghanistan and Somila in both of the countries the war lords are very strong, in both of countries Islamic fundamentalists defeated these war lords and start to implement the Islamic laws strictly in the respective societies, in both of countries USA intervene directly or indirectly due to the Islamic fundamentalist gov't.

Bor. East African: People of Somila supported to the present govít or previous which was leaded by the Muslim fundamentalist.

 



Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 5:51am

The US is the monetary support to Ethiopia for this invasion. US govt is just paying someone else to fight.

I feel really bad for Somalians.



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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi


Posted By: EastAfrican
Date Posted: 04 April 2007 at 11:35pm

Mohammed

 

The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) fought against the warlords who have been making peace impossible in Somalia for the last 16 years. People welcomed the UIC with open arms, the roadblocks were gone, the price of food and everyday items dropped, people did not carry guns, Sheria Law was applied when judging on all cases. People had hope for the future.

 

Now they are gone and we are back to the days of killings. The same warlords are now ministers in the govnt.



Posted By: mohammad
Date Posted: 05 April 2007 at 2:42am

East African wrote:

"The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) fought against the warlords who have been making peace impossible in Somalia for the last 16 years. People welcomed the UIC with open arms, the roadblocks were gone, the price of food and everyday items dropped, people did not carry guns, Sheria Law was applied when judging on all cases. People had hope for the future. "

 

This is what America not want in any part of the world.

 



Posted By: .:: SoHaIB ::.
Date Posted: 05 April 2007 at 8:39am
Know a lot of muslim bros from both somalia and ethiopia....and so far what i found, those guyz have no problem with each other, they are like best friends but what u said is true bro, the stuff going on in Somalia is really bad and the media should really do something about it.....But even more i think the muslim community needs to play a more active role over there. Muslim countries haven't raised that much concern about somalia as they have about the other invasions like iraq and palestine....which is sad.

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Posted By: Neima Abduljeli
Date Posted: 06 April 2007 at 1:36am

Peace and blessings of Allah be up on of us. 

Yes, the ones who are living as neighbors are living together.  As I already mentioned it, the War is not between Ethiopia and Somalia.  It is between Somalis who were backed by the Eriterean or Ethiopian Government.  It is up to Somalia to end this war.  If the war lords and factions come in to table and discuss to end this war (compromise in some of their demands) , they can come up with a united Somalia.  I think the ones who live in the diaspora must work aggressively to end the war. It is better to reconcile their differences. 

I think at this stage there is no need to install the Shariah law.  They must first install peace and tranquility to that land.  If we just see the life of the prophet SAW he didn't immediately installed the Shariah law when he was sent as a prophet.  He first tried to build an ummah in which he succesfully accomplished. 

My opinion in this regard is we have to install Shariah first in every individual muslim house.  Then we can go to the community.

We-Selam



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a-semedu


Posted By: crasss
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 3:27am
Originally posted by mohammad

This is what America not want in any part of the world.

Actually, America issues military threats to any part of the world that is not under their control. These countries automatically become staging areas for new revolutions elsewhere, taking more countries out of their control.

It is a bit unfortunate that terrorism gave the Americans somehow an excuse to attack Somalia, because the problem has nothing to do with terrorism, but with the Somalis rejecting a western-style atheist brothel from emerging as the favoured lifestyle in their country.

It should be possible to avoid the nomer of terrorism. Secret, covert operations are an acceptable military strategy, as long as the targets somehow have military value, and they can be argued to be meant to further the goal of winning the war.

Bombing a nightclub in Bali, obviously cannot be placed under that heading, no matter how despicable a lifestyle that consists of nightclubs, promiscuous sex, drugs, and alcohol abuse may be.



Posted By: mohammad
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 5:09am

Crass Wrote
It is a bit unfortunate that terrorism gave the Americans somehow an excuse to attack Somalia, because the problem has nothing to do with terrorism, but with the Somalis rejecting a western-style atheist brothel from emerging as the favoured lifestyle in their country.

 

I donít think that Somilian Govít was give them any chance but Americans necons could not see any part of Muslim world come in peace within the religious back ground so they push the somilian warlords to takeover with the help of Ethopean army. They are using the term of terrorism just creating the reasoning to legalize their undue interference in the other countries.



Posted By: crasss
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 7:59am
Originally posted by mohammad

They are using the term of terrorism just creating the reasoning to legalize their undue interference in the other countries.


Indeed.

The fact that the US is nothing more than one huge brothel of promiscuous sex of which a lot is homosexual to make things even worse, and the fact that they try to promote a brothelist lifestyle to other countries, triggers a much larger, negative reaction, than just their undue interference.

This entire American women's rights f*ck-around-like-you-want approach and gay rights all-kinds-of-pervert-sex-are-equal is unacceptable outside the West, and not just in Muslim countries.



Posted By: Patty
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 8:41am
Originally posted by crasss

Originally posted by mohammad

They are using the term of terrorism just creating the reasoning to legalize their undue interference in the other countries.


Indeed.

The fact that the US is nothing more than one huge brothel of promiscuous sex of which a lot is homosexual to make things even worse, and the fact that they try to promote a brothelist lifestyle to other countries, triggers a much larger, negative reaction, than just their undue interference.

This entire American women's rights f*ck-around-like-you-want approach and gay rights all-kinds-of-pervert-sex-are-equal is unacceptable outside the West, and not just in Muslim countries.

You are loathsome and disgusting.  I did a "google" on you, went to your other NUMEROUS forums, and you are such a fake.  Just as you blocked out the F word above, you seem to not block it out at all.  You use it frequently on non-Islamic sites, don't you?  What a phoney you are.

If anyone really cares what this person is all about, just do a Google search on him.  He will trick you all unless you learn about him.  I would hate for that to happen.



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Patty

I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future.


Posted By: crasss
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Patty

You are loathsome and disgusting.

But I, Patty, on the contrary, do like you. I understand that my postings about America and Christianity make you angry. I know it. I am completely aware of that. Believe me, I know that.
Originally posted by Patty

I did a "google" on you, went to your other NUMEROUS forums, and you are such a fake.

Yes, Patty. I like this accusation too. Please, accuse me more.
Originally posted by Patty

Just as you blocked out the F word above, you seem to not block it out at all.

Read that sentence again. I really like the contradiction in that sentence.

YES, I AGREE. YOU ARE RIGHT. I CONCEDE THIS POINT TO YOU.
Originally posted by Patty

He will trick you all unless you learn about him. I would hate for that to happen.

Patty, I really like you. I am eagerly waiting for your next reply.



Posted By: Megatron
Date Posted: 09 April 2007 at 11:33pm
I curse like a sailor myself.  I think most people swear when they talk.  People usually don't do it here because they'll get banned.


Posted By: HUSSEINI
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 7:33am
I feel so sad when i hear of Somalia what we need is someone a nation USA or ETHOPIA to bring back peace alot of the warlords should be arrested and taken for trial in international courts southern somalia should look at somaliland and learn from them.Wasalam



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