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Topic: about me
Posted By: fanaofallah
Subject: about me
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:55am
We do not understand the value of time as the past generations did, imam Shafi said: “this world is but a moment so we should make it a moment of obedience”
imam ghazali said: "this world ls like a friend to you it wants to give you everything, all the wealth, fame, name, it wants to even stay with you but then suddenly it leaves you there in the dark, deep, black hole, - this is when we die!!!

"if you put your head in the lion and it eats your head then it your fault so before our time runs out and we go to the other realm we must change our conditions through doing tazkiyah tul nafs "

Subhanallah what an analogy of this world!
We should seek forgiveness from Allah (Swt) before our time runs out.
This was adapted from http://www.zawiyah.org/ - www.zawiyah.org for more information e-mail info@zawiyah.org.


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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 11:10am

Originally posted by fanaofallah

We do not understand the value of time as the past generations did, imam Shafi said: “this world is but a moment so we should make it a moment of obedience”
imam ghazali said: "this world ls like a friend to you it wants to give you everything, all the wealth, fame, name, it wants to even stay with you but then suddenly it leaves you there in the dark, deep, black hole, - this is when we die!!!

"if you put your head in the lion and it eats your head then it your fault so before our time runs out and we go to the other realm we must change our conditions through doing tazkiyah tul nafs "

Subhanallah what an analogy of this world!
We should seek forgiveness from Allah (Swt) before our time runs out.
This was adapted from http://www.zawiyah.org/ - www.zawiyah.org for more information e-mail info@zawiyah.org.

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Brother welcome to islamicity rationals board,i wish you will love ur stay,insh'Allah...Wa Salaam...

 



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Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 1:41pm

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah,

Welcome to the boards, alhamdulillah. Ideas like yours are wanting on this forum, so I hope you stay and share some of your time with us, insha allah.

Originally posted by fanaofallah



"if you put your head in the lion and it eats your head then it your fault so before our time runs out and we go to the other realm we must change our conditions through doing tazkiyah tul nafs "

Once I asked a brother how do we go about to do tazkiya (in a systematic and precise manner), and he said, sis, this is very complicated dont ask me .... that was the end it. I cannot trust just anybody to guide me on this road, thus am gropping on my own so far.

I want to ask you one question. Those who draw our attention towards tazkiya and tahara, are they also willing to show concrete directions, or these are just passing suggestions.

Jazak allah khair,

Maa salaama,

Nausheen



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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 3:09pm

yes sister i follow a tarqeeah named tareeqah muhammadiyah, this tariq is unique in teh sence that teh wayfarer himself/herself knows that they are getting close to allah each day please read the following article to know the inportance of tazkiyah and to understand a little about the tareeqah

:sl:

  the importance of tazkiyah tul-nafs can not be stressed enough times, people keep going on about the importance of knowledge, but what seems to have happened know is that people have left tazkiyah tun nafs, which is basically purifying the heart from the spiritual diseases, for example: Jealousy, arrogance etc... They are right in some aspect but tazkiyah is also needed.

We can some what see the importance of this in the situation of Satan (iblis). when he was put to the test before Adam (a.s) as we know the story, who can claim that he/she will or has more knowledge than satan except the prophets, he not only had knowledge but he had it with certainty, meaning that he saw with his own eyes the paradise, hell, the angels, the prophets and moreover he saw Allah (swt)

not only that but he even spoke to Allah (swt), but having all this knowledge did not help him one bit, for instance when he was put to the test before Adam (a.s) and told to bow he did not, therefore he became expelled and cursed forever. There his evil spiritual heart disease came out and it manifested. this then as we know caused him to fall, know one may ask that if he had all this knowledge then how come he still fell, the answer is that he did not do tazkiyah on himself and therefore even though having all this knowledge he still fell, for the very reason that he could not implement his knowledge properly, he just was implementing it outwardly and not inwardly and therefore when he was put to the test he failed drastically.

Allah (swt) himself stresses the importance of Tazkiyah tun nafs in sura shams: to the nearest meaning that

"Successful is the one who has purified himself"

The heirs of the prophet (sallahualihiwasalam) are the Awliyah (the people who have purified themselves) who have purified themselves inwardly and outwardly, by following the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallahualihiwasalam) inwardly e.g. by not hating another Muslim brother which the prophet (sallahualihiwasalam) was like inwardly, And by following the Sunnah outwardly. like our past generations for example: Syedina Abdul Azeez Dabbagh (r.a) who lived and died in Fez, morocco (Maghrib), imam Ghazali, shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani etc... not the normal scholars who just have knowledge but do not implement what they have learnt one bit, this is why most of our normal Ulema are not properly representing the teaching which they have learnt or the past generations who acted by what they knew the reason is because they have not purified themselves, this is why we often see scholars getting into disputes etc...

The people who have purified themselves (the Awliyah) are the ones of whom Allah (swt) praises them in front of angels and tells them look such and such a person is my obedient slave.

People keep on going to conferences after conferences but they do not change one bit they stay exactly the same as they had before they went to the talk. And once the talk has been finished then they straight away go home put the TV on and completely forget about the talk or seminar they had just been to, and the lessons they had learnt,

Because talks after talks will not change a person unless he takes manifest actions to do it to change himself. Allah (swt) will not pick up a person and change him although it has happened in the past but it was very rarely probably 1 in a billion. As Allah (swt) says in the glorious Quran to the nearest meaning that “if you take one step towards me then i would take to steps towards you...". From this we can see that Allah (swt) is ready all the time to forgive and to take us close to him but the slackness is in us. As Allah (swt) says that he wants us to take those initial steps towards him and then the remaining journey will be easy inshallah because then ALLAH (SWT) special mercy and forgiveness will come and help that person. These (talks after talks which people seem to go to every time and not change even one bit) are only fulfilling the desires of the nafs, and then once it has been fulfilled then they simply forget.

 :) hope you are not put off after reading all this. if you want more information on tazkiyah nafs and how to purify oneself from it then please go to the following web site www.zawiyah.org - www.zawiyah.org or call on 0161 351 1957 - 07790 550 360. To begin the course of self purification. insha Allah this then will be the initial steps to which Allah (swt) says to us, because then the person will be taking action into to changing his/her condition and not only saying i wish i could change and not doing nothing about it.

Jazzak Allah for reading it and May Allah (swt) reward us for our efforts which we put in to promote and to spread the deen - Amin! or e-mail info@zawiyah.org

 



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by fanaofallah

yes sister i follow a tarqeeah named tareeqah muhammadiyah, this tariq is unique in teh sence that teh wayfarer himself/herself knows that they are getting close to allah each day please read the following article to know the importance of tazkiyah and to understand a little about the tareeqah

:sl:

  the importance of tazkiyah tul-nafs can not be stressed enough times, people keep going on about the importance of knowledge, but what seems to have happened know is that people have left tazkiyah tun nafs, which is basically purifying the heart from the spiritual diseases, for example: Jealousy, arrogance etc... They are right in some aspect but tazkiyah is also needed.

We can some what see the importance of this in the situation of Satan (iblis). when he was put to the test before Adam (a.s) as we know the story, who can claim that he/she will or has more knowledge than satan except the prophets, he not only had knowledge but he had it with certainty, meaning that he saw with his own eyes the paradise, hell, the angels, the prophets and moreover he saw Allah (swt)

not only that but he even spoke to Allah (swt), but having all this knowledge did not help him one bit, for instance when he was put to the test before Adam (a.s) and told to bow he did not, therefore he became expelled and cursed forever. There his evil spiritual heart disease came out and it manifested. this then as we know caused him to fall, know one may ask that if he had all this knowledge then how come he still fell, the answer is that he did not do tazkiyah on himself and therefore even though having all this knowledge he still fell, for the very reason that he could not implement his knowledge properly, he just was implementing it outwardly and not inwardly and therefore when he was put to the test he failed drastically.

Allah (swt) himself stresses the importance of Tazkiyah tun nafs in sura shams: to the nearest meaning that

"Successful is the one who has purified himself"

The heirs of the prophet (sallahualihiwasalam) are the Awliyah (the people who have purified themselves) who have purified themselves inwardly and outwardly, by following the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallahualihiwasalam) inwardly e.g. by not hating another Muslim brother which the prophet (sallahualihiwasalam) was like inwardly, And by following the Sunnah outwardly. like our past generations for example: Syedina Abdul Azeez Dabbagh (r.a) who lived and died in Fez, morocco (Maghrib), imam Ghazali, shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani etc... not the normal scholars who just have knowledge but do not implement what they have learnt one bit, this is why most of our normal Ulema are not properly representing the teaching which they have learnt or the past generations who acted by what they knew the reason is because they have not purified themselves, this is why we often see scholars getting into disputes etc...

The people who have purified themselves (the Awliyah) are the ones of whom Allah (swt) praises them in front of angels and tells them look such and such a person is my obedient slave.

People keep on going to conferences after conferences but they do not change one bit they stay exactly the same as they had before they went to the talk. And once the talk has been finished then they straight away go home put the TV on and completely forget about the talk or seminar they had just been to, and the lessons they had learnt,

Because talks after talks will not change a person unless he takes manifest actions to do it to change himself. Allah (swt) will not pick up a person and change him although it has happened in the past but it was very rarely probably 1 in a billion. As Allah (swt) says in the glorious Quran to the nearest meaning that “if you take one step towards me then i would take to steps towards you...". From this we can see that Allah (swt) is ready all the time to forgive and to take us close to him but the slackness is in us. As Allah (swt) says that he wants us to take those initial steps towards him and then the remaining journey will be easy inshallah because then ALLAH (SWT) special mercy and forgiveness will come and help that person. These (talks after talks which people seem to go to every time and not change even one bit) are only fulfilling the desires of the nafs, and then once it has been fulfilled then they simply forget.

 :) hope you are not put off after reading all this. if you want more information on tazkiyah nafs and how to purify oneself from it then please go to the following web site www.zawiyah.org - www.zawiyah.org or call on 0161 351 1957 - 07790 550 360. To begin the course of self purification. insha Allah this then will be the initial steps to which Allah (swt) says to us, because then the person will be taking action into to changing his/her condition and not only saying i wish i could change and not doing nothing about it.

Jazzak Allah for reading it and May Allah (swt) reward us for our efforts which we put in to promote and to spread the deen - Amin! or e-mail info@zawiyah.org

 

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum, 

 Brother,please give us more rational answers;can we eat tazkiyah?,is it touchable?,is it full apportionable or does it have taste? or color?...brother,please don't be irrational...you are so emotional...



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Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 9:47pm

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah,

Originally posted by Suleyman

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum, 

 Brother,please give us more rational answers;can we eat tazkiyah?,is it touchable?,is it full apportionable or does it have taste? or color?...brother,please don't be irrational...you are so emotional...

Fanaofallah, I regret the above comment. Please ignore it if you can. As for the information on the tariqah, brother, it is not what I enquired. Nor do I ask u about the definition of Tazkiya. My question was very straight, may be you do not know the answer, which is fine.

I hope you will enjoy your stay here, insha allah.

Maa salaama,

Nausheen



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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by Nausheen

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah,

Originally posted by Suleyman

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum, 

 Brother,please give us more rational answers;can we eat tazkiyah?,is it touchable?,is it full apportionable or does it have taste? or color?...brother,please don't be irrational...you are so emotional...

Fanaofallah, I regret the above comment. Please ignore it if you can. Nausheen

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh Sister! Nausheen,

It was just an joke;an imitation,he understood but you did not as you do well at the last times...sometimes we use words from their reverse meanings for telling their real meanings! as there can be seen in so many examples passing in the holy Qur'an;who reads?...

 I was trying to not loosing a sister(closing my eyes to her faults to her friends!);but i think the time come to loosing a brother...you botched all of my good opinions on u;...thank u very much;no need to replying your message...Wa Salaam...



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Posted By: nadir
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 4:40pm

 

Assalaamu Alaikum

 

 

Fanaofallah

 

 

Alhamdulilah, I appreciate your post (& reply to Sister Nausheen’s Q).

 

 

I have followed your link, & will read (contemplate) further. I agree with the need for tazkiyah tun nafs’, & I (as a revert) am in the process of truly perceiving what is required (hence I am glad you have graced us with your company). I also feel that this aspect of practice is superior to – knowledge.

 

Fanaofallah, I like the statement  Allah (swt) is ready all the time to forgive and to take us close to him but the slackness is in us.” You are so right….. a time comes when a test emerges, if a person fails that (particular) test, and relapses in his/her religion, the persons pride is (more often than not) to blame.

 

I also think Allah (SWT) lets us slip up in small ways sometimes, so that we may learn, strengthen, & improve ourselves.

 

Fanoafallah stated: “not the normal scholars who just have knowledge but do not implement what they have learnt one bit, this is why most of our normal Ulema are not properly representing the teaching which they have learnt or the past generations who acted by what they knew the reason is because they have not purified themselves, this is why we often see scholars getting into disputes etc...”

 

I sometimes contemplate why we just all don’t shut up and leave it to the (classical) scholars, however (you must agree) it is not always easy to gain access (to scholars, & alike), to ask questions about perceiving what you have read/heard. Hence I appreciate been able to discuss such matters, even if it is not with someone at the level of a scholar. 

 

 

I look forward to you starting a topic of discussion in the forum (proper). Insha Allah

 

 

nadir   

 

 



Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 13 May 2005 at 2:15pm
assalamualicum brothers and sisters the web site www.zawiyah.org is know fully infinished, Allahamdullia! so please go to it and have a look at the course of self purification, you will be able to have the whole picture of the course of self purification (tazkiyah tul nafs), fully explained of how the course works and what each stage is about.
please feel free to give your gives and if you would like more information about the course of self purification then please use the contacts button to put your queries forwards Jazzak Allah Khair!




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Posted By: Mukhlis
Date Posted: 13 May 2005 at 11:58pm

Assalaamo Alaikum

This morning I thought I should meet some Muslims who have introduced themselves in this topic "Introduction: Who am I ?"

I find a battle raging here.

Brother Fanaofallah, pls kindly explain the meaning of your pen name. I learnt Qur’anic Arabic, grammar and construction of words from root, construction of sentences etc. I have not been to your site the angle "Zawiah.com" – I will inshaaAllah do that, but your mail does speak much about your ideas.

There is a group of Muslims who respect, then follow, then glorify then deify - helpers ( Awlia). Qur’an sometimes praises those who helped in propagation of Islam as awlia & at most other iit says that no ‘helper’ can intervene between man and his God as far as judgement of his deeds are concerned. So this is some thing like a two egded sword. It cuts both ways.

Then there are Sufiis. The way of the heart. Nothing is defined.

And we also have the main stream Islam – as presented in Qur’an – a balance between fancy ( words words & words) and concrete actions with good intent judged for that time and place.

Brother Suleiman – you wanted to ask this ( can we eat Tazkiah ?). Brother, you got angry with sister Nausheen. Come back to NTP ( normal temperature & pressure), in Science and Technology we refer it to an atmospheric pressure at sea level - One Bar - and a temp of 15 deg Celcius – isn’t it cool ? Sister should not have said to disregard your comment or for that matter anyone else’s comment. We have to say what we believe. I had an earlier clash that lasted exactly one evening. Because she is a good person, overall.

Tazkiatunnafs. I will just give quick meaning.

Tazkiah means purification

Nafs as we know is self, a person, his body/soul, mind, ideas, ego etc.

Purification as we know is to get rid of undesired elements, dirt, filth, evil. As a result we will be left ( or would have acquired) the desirable qualities – traits, clean.

After we cut through the jugglery of words, we come to one simple question. Do’s & Dont’s. Thus far we have no problem. Every one agrees. Then comes what is good quality ? (and its opposite will be bad ).

In my reckoning:

Honesty, Fairness, equality ( this counters your selfishness), Humility, ( this counters your ego), kindness, forgiveness, charity ( this is Godliness). Apply these principles and one can not go wrong – in fact there is no clash with any upright man in this world no matter what label of religion he wears. We do this in submission to Allah and that is why we are submitters ( Muslims).

Try the ritualistic acts of the Prophet or Khulfai Raashidiin ( Those in the past who were rightly guided), or Imams or Walis, or the "Ulema" of centuries after the Prophet – you are a repeater. Repeating actions without a clue of what, why & wherefore ? Monkeys do it by nature. Their ( Prophet & Khalifa – khulfa, pl) acts for that time & place were "perfect". The principles & underlined intention is unassailable. This is not by "belief" but by reading and analyzing in context of "time & place".

This is what I think my brothers & sister. I could be mistaken. But I have to use the tool (intellect) Allah has given and chastised so often in The Qur’an to use it.

May Allah show us light.

Mukhlis

(PS. Anyone who wishes to discuss this further, pls start a new topic)

 

 

 

 



Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 14 May 2005 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by Mukhlis

Assalaamo Alaikum

Brother Suleiman – you wanted to ask this ( can we eat Tazkiah ?). Brother, you got angry with sister Nausheen. Come back to NTP ( normal temperature & pressure), in Science and Technology we refer it to an atmospheric pressure at sea level - One Bar - and a temp of 15 deg Celcius – isn’t it cool ? Sister should not have said to disregard your comment or for that matter anyone else’s comment. We have to say what we believe. I had an earlier clash that lasted exactly one evening. Because she is a good person, overall.

 

 Aleykum Selam ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Brother,the words i have said were including figurative meanings,it was just an different type of message to a user! who was accusing me as an irrational and so theoretical without knowing anything about me...in brother Suleyman's heart there is no place to a dark point(grudge) to anyone;i have no chance of being upset with anyone,may be my weakness;the only problem is about my english level who does not reflect me to the board and i don't want to be reflected or being understood from after that point who was knowing me well(?) and sold to one or three words without knowing anything about me;if someone! is valuing me in these conditions then all i can say is they are chewing my rights and breaking my heart,i love everyone and will insh'Allah survive;all i need is to be valued by Allah,this is enough;i promised myself giving to no one a full worth! if he/she has no power to carry and will waste my good intentions putting me in an position as an stupid...some of my words can't be understood from everyone because my experiences on the holy Qur'an is different than the others...i wish i could be an regular muslim;...Wa Salaam...



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Posted By: Tasneem
Date Posted: 15 May 2005 at 5:34pm

Assalam-alaikum

May Allah guide us all to the right path, Ameen! AlhamdulIllah I read the Quran and the hadith mainly from Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari (the most authentic sources) and Allah has made Islam for us easy to follow. I do not understand these new terms "tazkiya" etc. I have not come across this term or RasulAllah doing/teaching "tazkiya". Can someone who knows this enlighten me through authentic sources only. The following hadith may be of benefit to readers:

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 44:

Narrated Talha bin 'Ubaidullah:

A man from Najd with unkempt hair came to Allah's Apostle and we heard his loud voice but could not understand what he was saying, till he came near and then we came to know that he was asking about Islam. Allah's Apostle said, "You have to offer prayers perfectly five times in a day and night (24 hours)." The man asked, "Is there any more (praying)?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to offer the Nawafil prayers (you can)." Allah's Apostle further said to him: "You have to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan." The man asked, "Is there any more fasting?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, but if you want to observe the Nawafil fasts (you can.)" Then Allah's Apostle further said to him, "You have to pay the Zakat (obligatory charity)." The man asked, "Is there any thing other than the Zakat for me to pay?" Allah's Apostle replied, "No, unless you want to give alms of your own." And then that man retreated saying, "By Allah! I will neither do less nor more than this." Allah's Apostle said, "If what he said is true, then he will be successful (i.e. he will be granted Paradise)."

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 98:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

I said: "O Allah's Apostle! Who will be the luckiest person, who will gain your intercession on the Day of Resurrection?" Allah's Apostle said: O Abu Huraira! "I have thought that none will ask me about it before you as I know your longing for the (learning of) Hadiths. The luckiest person who will have my intercession on the Day of Resurrection will be the one who said sincerely from the bottom of his heart "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."

And 'Umar bin 'Abdul 'Aziz wrote to Abu Bakr bin Hazm, "Look for the knowledge of Hadith and get it written, as I am afraid that religious knowledge will vanish and the religious learned men will pass away (die). Do not accept anything save the Hadiths of the Prophet. Circulate knowledge and teach the ignorant, for knowledge does not vanish except when it is kept secretly (to oneself)."


Volume 1, Book 3, Number 100:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al' As:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "Allah does not take away the knowledge, by taking it away from (the hearts of) the people, but takes it away by the death of the religious learned men till when none of the (religious learned men) remains, people will take as their leaders ignorant persons who when consulted will give their verdict without knowledge. So they will go astray and will lead the people astray."

 



Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 9:11am

assalamualicum brother or sister if you can kindly go to the site http://www.zawiyah.org - www.zawiyah.org and then use the contacts button to ask this question which you have asked here, inshaallah you will be given full lenghty answer from evidences from the quran and the sunnah (hadith) as to what the term 'tazikyah' means and why is it so imortant not only that what the past scholors of islam said about it like the likes of imam ghazali (r.a). as it will notbe approiate to give you the answer here because i am shot of time.

jazzak allah



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Posted By: Dr Edriss
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 10:27pm

 

 Assalam alaykom wa rahmat Allah,

 Edriss is glad meeting you brothers and sisters here :).

 I was on Islam.org main website and I clicked on a topic to find myself here. when I opened this topic, I find out that I must correct something the brother said if Allah wants.

 tazkiat in arabic doesn't mean purification! tazkiat comes from the arabic verb zakkaa from where comes the zakat that we all suppose to do as a muslims. the meaning of the verb is growing and raising things! the verb who comes from Rebaa is similar in the arabic language to this verb zakkaa. but in Fekh, Rebaa gonna discribe a negative way of raising your money and zakaat gonna discribe a positive way of doing it(do not ask me how? cause it will take us hours of explaination on how this things work following Allah's rules). and this sign of Quran may help, I will write it as it is in arabic and later give a brief translation.

 Allah said after Aoudu Bellah Mina ashaytan arrajeem "yamhaku Allah Arrebaa, wa you_rbee Assadakat"   in english the meaning close to this "Allah destroy the Rebaa and raise the charities"

 as you may already understood, you_rbee assadakat is raise the charities which also means zakat because zakat is a charity who must be done if you meet the requirements of it.

 brother fanaXXXXXX, may Allah bless your heart? your username is false and you should change it. the right expression is fana_o_Allah which is a shotcut to this expression "I'm" fana_O_Allah. fana means passing from existance to the not existance. we all humanbeing gonna pass from existance to not existance when we die. but Allah doesn't die and he is Assamad(read the third surah before the last one of the Quran). you copied the expression without understanding it well and you use it completly wrong in your usernam. fana of XXXX  means you accord the fana to Allah, completly wrong. change it to it's original way fana_O_Allah or fanaoAllah? may Allah forgives you and forgives us whenever we do this kind of mistakes?Ameen

 another thing my brother if you don't mind! you should not ask people to go to that website that you like and discuss there! that's called you betray the trust of Islam.org in you for giving you the right to come to this discussion board. let's me put it clear for you here so you won't missunderstand me? YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE COMMERCIAL TO YOUR WEBSITE BUT NOT TO TELL PEOPLE TO LEAVE DISCUSSING HERE AND GO DISCUSS THERE? from the discipline of Islam and the raising of the soul, you have to try to not harm directly or indirectly someone who gave you a favore(like Islam.org is just giving us favor to be here).

 you can go to that website and ask later come back tell us here! and we will always be thankful to you and your effort.

 I put in your attention here: I'm not related to Islam.org by anyway. I just saw some wrong things done in reading this topic and I put an effort to try to correct it. May Allah helps us to understand our mistakes and correct them? the Prophet said salla Allah alaihe wa sallam "you all, do mistakes and the best of those who do mistakes, those who repent"

Assalam Alaikom



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Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 8:52am

NO BROTHER THE ARABIC TERMONOLOGIE IS FANA - FIL - LLAH  i have said what it means on one of the replies of what it means and who uses it and why most people do not know what it means.

and another thing tazkiyah is purification as allah (swt) said in sura as shams to the nearest meaning "successful are those who have purified themselves" please read hte article the importance of tazkiyah if you want more proofs from quran and hadiths then let me know

another thing brother i am not trying to misuse the forums inany way all i am trying to do is make people aware that there is a course which is avaliable to do which if done can purifiy people. i am doing this cousre and benefiting from it imenselly and thought i might share it with other brothers and sisters.as the prophet (sallahualihiwasallam) has said in one hadith to the nearest meaning that "when you give something in charity then give something which is dear to you which you love not that which you hate"  the other this site is not mine or anyone's it is the site of the brothers who run this course which is free when i refered people to this site all i wanted to do was to give an oppurtinuty for people to get the answers from the people themselves (from the source), as they wanted to know what is tazkiyah etc... i thought these people who run this course will know more about tazkiyah and purification than other people as they run it and have done research as to what it is. 

but i see that people dont want this sort of 'gifts' and 'solutions'

wasallam



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Posted By: Dr Edriss
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 2:44pm

 

 fana fee Allah translated to Fana In Allah and not of Allah. tazkiat is not purification and whoever translated that to you as a purification needs help like you my brother. purification is Tahara. I wish you pick up  a dictionary in arabic instead of argueing on my native language? may Allah make us from the people who listen to the talk and follow the best of it? Ameen

 when you ask people to go and ask questions and get answears in an other website, indirectly it means they have to leave the discussion here and go discuss whatever you thing is better in the other website. I don't think you can find somebody who doesn't understand you are trying to bring a traffic to that website on the expensive of this one. that's why the smart people made comercials paid on their websites. you have to be very thanksful for the moderator of this Board. cause he doesn't mind or doesn't even read what you say here.

 when somebody try to help you, think carefully about what he said? do not act lunatic and just back whatever you said because you said it.

 the pride my brother, is the main reason why satan end it where he is now.

 may Allah bless your heart? I did my best to help! I'm not interesting to any argueing... the other website yours or not, it makes no sense to me because there is no way to know from here, what kind of relationship between you and that website.

 salam alaikom



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There is no deity to be worshiped but Allah, and the Prophet Mohammad salla Allah Alihe wa sallam is His messenger.


Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 3:52pm

by allah brother i love you for allah only as you are my brother in islam i have no hatred for any brother in islam,brother you seem to have taken things the wrong way! i was not advertising any websites!!!!

 



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 11:29am
Dr.Edriss,brother fan-of-Allah  is an good person...realize the light in his eyes...

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Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 2:45pm

brother i do not hate any one nor have i said any thing which was offensive to brother edriss all i said was read what i wrote for one of the replies which i will again being quoting in this one so brother edriss can read it>

"and you aslo wanted to know why my user name was fana - of - allah well, it means that one is extinct in allah what this means is extinct in the love of allah (swt), these are terminologies which you might not have come across they are used in thasauwuff, here it does not necessarly mean that one is extint in the love only but it means that his love for allah (swt0 is manifested by his action, words, and activities, that he is not lazy in carrying out he commands of allah(swt). i am only trying to become this".



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Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 4:19pm

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah

 

Originally posted by fanaofallah

brother i do not hate any one nor have i said any thing which was offensive to brother edriss all i said was read what i wrote for one of the replies which i will again being quoting in this one so brother edriss can read it>

"and you aslo wanted to know why my user name was fana - of - allah well, it means that one is extinct in allah what this means is extinct in the love of allah (swt), these are terminologies which you might not have come across they are used in thasauwuff, here it does not necessarly mean that one is extint in the love only but it means that his love for allah (swt0 is manifested by his action, words, and activities, that he is not lazy in carrying out he commands of allah(swt). i am only trying to become this".

Dear Brother,

Tassawwuf is a very deep science of Islam, which most people do not seek to understand. Unfortunately, there are also many who refute it ,while they have not studied the details. It is a great pleasure to have you here, talking some of the fine points, but if you take a careful look into our "old forums" it has been discussed in lengths - to no avail.

You are correct, allah speaks about purification in surah ash shams. Not just that, many people may have not pondered over this, but allah (swt) in this surah, swears by seven things from  His creation to emphasise on this one point, ie purification of soul.

When allah swears by something, it is not to add to the reality of what He is saying, because whatever He has said in the Quran, is nothing but truth, however, the swear makes the issue more emphatic - To draw a closer attention of the reader to the issue - to indicate the importance of the matter, etc. Elsewhere in the Quran allah may have sworn by one or two things, to illustrate a point, but I dont remember comming across seven swears in a row to illustrate one point, except in surah ash shams. How important it is to purify the soul, if we all would understand, there will be more harmony on earth, insha allah.

1. By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour;

2. By the Moon as she follows him;

3. By the Day as it shows up (the Sun's) glory;

4. By the Night as it conceals it;

5. By the Firmament and its (wonderful) structure;

6. By the Earth and its (wide) expanse:

7. By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it;

8. And its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right;-

9. Truly he succeeds that purifies it,

10. And he fails that corrupts it!

Maa salaama.



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 12:21am
Originally posted by Nausheen

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah

 

Dear Brother,

Tassawwuf is a very deep science of Islam, which most people do not seek to understand. Unfortunately, there are also many who refute it ,while they have not studied the details. It is a great pleasure to have you here, talking some of the fine points, but if you take a careful look into our "old forums" it has been discussed in lengths - to no avail.

 

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetulahi ve Berakatuh Dear User,

Let's explain the meaning of tasawwuf from the science of shariat,this will be more good for our futures in islam instead of our assumptions,desires and tight perspectives appears in our minds which may cause some serious results inside the road to Allah while facing with the exams,i wish Allah will all protect all of us from falling in misunderstanding the concepts of Islam,falling in worshiping to the idols appears in our minds assuming that nobody knows more than me...no body has the right of reflecting the concepts of Islam wrongly without putting any of his hands under the stone of Islam,If islam lived then could be understood;because some of the doors in Islam needs to be given without eating the heritage as fully explained in Surah al Leyl...

 An example(029.061) from the dark ages proving that Khafirs were also saying Allah and worshiping to the idols in their minds;a believer must know what he believes:must depend on what Allah suggests instead of calling to the assumptions;this rule is also valid for the Khafirs,they can't be Khafir before arriving to the point knowing(insight) what they reject...this ayat proves that we don't know so much about Qur'an,we were knowing that Khafirs were at the cross side of the river;no!...they are also in the relation with Allah...

 Another concept from the holy Qur'an also 029.61 gives us an important key that a Khafir does not worship to Allah;Mushrik both worships to Allah and to the idols at the same time inside his mind,assumptions or in the serious intentions...A khafir can also be a mushrik,so scary...

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YUSUFALI: If indeed thou ask them who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law), they will certainly reply, "Allah". How are they then deluded away (from the truth)?

 

Dear User,i wish you a happy life with Islam without causing anymore damages to your friends with the authority shouldn't be given to your hands inside of this lovely board,wrong choice.Wa Salaam...

Towards understanding Islam/Maulana Maududi

Din and Shariah
So far we have been dealing with Din or Faith. We now come to a discussion of the Shariah of the Prophet Muhammad (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him). But let us first be clear about the difference between Din and Shariah.

Distinction between Din and Shariah
In the foregoing chapters we said that all the Prophets who have appeared from time to time propagated Islam, that is the belief in God with all His attributes, faith in the Day of Judgment and faith in the Prophets and the Books; they asked people to live a life of obedience and submission to their Lord. This is what constitutes al-Din and it was common to the teachings of all the Prophets.

Apart from this Din there is the Shariah, the detailed code of conduct or the canons comprising ways and modes of worship, standards of morals and life and laws that allow and proscribe, that judge between right and wrong. Such canon law has undergone amendments from time to time and though each Prophet had the same Din, he brought with him a different Shariah to suit the conditions of his own people and time. This process ended with the advent of Muhammad, the last Prophet (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him), who brought with him the final code which was to apply to all mankind for all times to come. Din has undergone no change, but all the previous Shariahs stand abrogated because of the comprehensive Shariah that Muhammad brought with him. This is the climax of the great process of training that was started at the dawn of the human era.


The Sources of Shariah
We draw upon two major sources to learn about the Shariah of Muhammad, the Qur'an and the Hadith. The Qur'an is a divine revelation -- each and every word of it is from Allah. The Hadith is a collection of instructions issued or the memoirs of the last Prophet's conduct and behavior, as preserved by those who were present in his company or those to whom these were handed down by the first witnesses. These were later sifted and collected by divines and compiled in the form of books among which the collections made by Malik, Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud. Nasa'i and Ibn Majah are considered to be the most authentic.

Fiqh
Detailed law derived from the Qur'an and the Hadith covering the myriads of problems that arise in the course of man's life have been compiled by some of the leading legislators of the past. The Muslims should forever be grateful to those men of learning and vision who devoted their lives to gaining a mastery of the Qur'an and the Hadith, and who made it easy for every Muslim to fashion his everyday affairs according to the requirements of the Shariah. It is due to them alone that Muslims all over the world can follow the Shariah easily even though their attainments in religion are never such that they could themselves give a correct and authentic interpretation of the Qur'an or the Hadith.

Although in the beginning many religious leaders applied themselves to the task, only four major schools of thought remain. They are:

Fiqh Hanafi: This is the Fiqh compiled by Abu Hanifa Numan bin Thabit with the assistance and cooperation. of Abu Yusuf Muhammad, Zufar and others, all of whom had high religious attainments to their credit. This is known as the Hanafi School of Fiqh.
Fiqh Maliki: This Fiqh was derived by Malik bin Anas Asbahi.
Fiqh Shafi'i: Founded by Muhammad bin Idris al-Shafi'i.
Fiqh Hanbali: Founded by Ahmad bin Hanbal.
All of these were given their final form within two hundred years of the time of the Prophet. The differences that appear in the four schools are but the natural outcome of the fact that the truth is many-sided. When different persons employ themselves in interpreting a given event, they come out with different explanations according to their own lights. What gives these various schools of thought the authenticity that is associated with them is the unimpeachable integrity of their respective founders and the authenticity of the method they adopted. That is why all Muslims, whatever school they may belong to, regard all the four schools of thought as correct and true. Even so one can normally follow only one of them in one's life (there is the group of Ahl-ul-Hadith who believe that those who have the required knowledge and learning should directly approach the Qur'an and the Hadith for guidance and those who are not bestowed with such knowledge and faculties should follow whichever school they like in any particular matter.

Tasawwuf
Fiqh deals with observable conduct, the fulfilling of a duty to the letter. That concerning itself with the spirit of conduct is known as Tasawwuf. For example, when we say our prayers, Fiqh will judge us only by the fulfillment of the outward requirements such as ablution, facing towards the Kabah and the timing and the number of Raka'ahs. Tasawwuf will judge our prayers by our concentration and devotion and by their effect on our morals and manners. An Ibadah devoid of spirit, though correct in procedure, is like a man handsome in appearance but lacking in character and an Ibadah full of spirit but defective in execution is like a man noble in character but deformed in appearance.

The above example makes clear the relation between Fiqh and Tasawwuf. But it is to the misfortune of the Muslims that as they sank in knowledge and character with the passage of time, they also succumbed to the misguided philosophies of nations which were then dominant, partook of them and patched Islam with their perverted dogmas.

They polluted the pure spring of Islamic Tasawwuf with absurdities that could not be justified by any stretch of the imagination on the basis of the Qur'an and the Hadith. Gradually a section of Muslims appeared who thought and proclaimed themselves immune to and above the requirements of the Shariah. These people are totally ignorant of Islam, for Islam cannot admit of Tasawwuf that takes liberties with the Shariah. No Sufi has the right to transgress the limits of the Shariah or treat lightly primary obligations (Faraid) such as daily prayers, fasting, Zakah and the Hajj. Tasawwuf, in the true sense, is an intense love of Allah and Muhammad (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him) and such love requires a strict obedience to their commands as embodied in the Book of God and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Anyone who deviates from the divine commands makes a false claim of his love for Allah and His Apostle.

The Principles of Shariah
Our discussion of the fundamentals of Islam will remain incomplete if we do not cast a glance over the law of Islam, study its basic principles, and try to visualize the type of man and society which Islam wants to produce. In this last chapter we propose to undertake a study of the principles of the Shariah so that our picture of Islam may become complete and we may be able to appreciate the superiority of the Islamic way of life


The Shariah: Its Nature and Purport
God has also provided man with all those means and resources to make his natural faculties function and to achieve the fulfillment of his needs. The human body has been so made that it becomes man's greatest instrument in his struggle for the fulfillment of his life's goal. Then there is the world in which man lives. His environment and surroundings contain resources of every description: resources which he uses as a means for the achievement of his ends. Nature and all that belongs to it have been harnessed for him and he can make every conceivable use of them. And there are other men of his own kind, so that they may cooperate with each other in the construction of a better and prosperous life.

These powers and resources have been conferred so that they may be used for the good of others. They have been created for your good and are not meant to harm and destroy you. The proper use of these powers is that which makes them beneficial to you; and even if there be some harm, it must not exceed the unavoidable minimum. That alone is the proper utilization of these powers. Every other use which results in waste or destruction is wrong, unreasonable and unjustified. For instance, if you do something that causes you harm or injury, that would be a mistake, pure and simple. If your actions harm others and make you a nuisance to them, that would be sheer folly and an utter misuse of God-given powers. If you waste resources, spoil them for nothing or destroy them, that is too a gross mistake. Such activities are flagrantly unreasonable, for it is human reason which suggests that destruction and injury must be avoided and the path of gain and profit be pursued. And if any harm be countenanced, it must be only in such cases where it is unavoidable and where it is bound to yield a greater benefit. Any deviation from this is self-evidently wrong.

Keeping this basic consideration in view, when we look at human beings, we find that there are two kinds of people: first, those who knowingly misuse their powers and resources and through this misuse waste the resources, injure their own vital interest, and cause harm to other people; and second, those who are sincere and earnest but err because of ignorance. Those who intentionally misuse their powers are wicked and evil and deserve to feel the full weight of the law. Those who err because of ignorance, need proper knowledge and guidance so that they see the Right Path and make the best use of their powers and resources. And the code of behavior -- the Shariah -- which God has revealed to man meets this very need.

The Shariah stipulates the law of God and provides guidance for the regulation of life in the best interests of man. Its objective is to show the best way to man and provide him with the ways and means to fulfill his needs in the most successful and most beneficial way. The law of God is out and out for you benefit. There is nothing in it which tends to waste your powers, or to suppress your natural needs and desires, or to kill your moral urges and emotions. It does not plead for asceticism. It does not say: abandon the world, give up all ease and comfort of life, leave your homes and wander about on plains and mountains and in jungles without bread or cloth, putting yourself to inconvenience and self-annihilation. This viewpoint has no relevance to the law of Islam, a law that has been formulated by God Who has created this world for the benefit of mankind.

The Shariah has been revealed by that very God Who has harnessed everything for man. He would hardly want to ruin His creation. He has not given man any power that is useless or unnecessary, nor has He created anything in the heavens and the earth which may not be of service to man. It is His explicit Will that the universe -- this grand workshop with its multifarious activities -- should go on functioning smoothly and graciously so that man -- the prize of creation -- should make the best and most productive use of all his powers and resources, of everything that has been harnessed for him on earth and in the high heavens. He should use them in such a way that he and his fellow human beings may reap handsome prizes for them and should never, intentionally or unintentionally, be of any harm to God's creation. The Shariah is meant to guide the steps of man in this respect. It forbids all that is harmful to man, and allows or ordains all that is useful and beneficial to him.

The fundamental principle of the Law is that man has the right, and in some cases the bounden duty, to fulfill all his genuine needs and desires and make every conceivable effort to promote his interests and achieve success and happiness -- but (and it is an important 'but') he should do all this in such a way that not only are the interests of other people not jeopardized and no harm is caused to their strivings towards the fulfillment of their rights and duties, but there should be all possible social cohesion, mutual assistance and cooperation. among human beings in the achievement of their objectives. In respect of those things in which good and evil, gain and loss are inextricably mixed up, the tenet of this law is to choose a little harm for the sake of greater benefit and sacrifice a little benefit, so avoiding a greater harm. This is the basic approach of the Shariah.

Man's knowledge is limited. Every man in every age does not, by himself, know what is good and what is evil, what is beneficial and what is harmful to him. The sources of human knowledge are too limited to provide him with the unalloyed truth. That is why God has spared man the risks of trial and error and revealed to him the Law which is the right and complete code of life for the entire human race.

The merits and the truths of this code are becoming more and more clear to man with the passage of time and of knowledge. Even today some people do not appreciate all the merits of this code, but further progress of knowledge will throw new light on them and bring their superiority into even clearer perspective. The world is willy-nilly drifting towards the Divine Code -- many of those people who refused to accept it are now, after centuries of groping and trials and errors, being obliged to adopt some of the provisions of this law. Those who denied the truth of the revelation and pinned their faith on unguided human reason, after committing blunders and courting bitter experience, are adopting in one way or another the injunctions of Shariah. But after what loss! And even then not in their entirety! On the other hand, there are people who repose faith in God's Prophets, accept their word and adopt the Shariah with full knowledge and understanding. They may not be aware of all the merits of a certain instruction, but on the whole they accept a code which is the outcome of true knowledge and which saves them from the evils and blunders of ignorance and of trial and error. Such people are on the right path and are bound to succeed.



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 1:32am
Originally posted by fanaofallah

brother i do not hate any one nor have i said any thing which was offensive to brother edriss all i said was read what i wrote for one of the replies which i will again being quoting in this one so brother edriss can read it>

"and you aslo wanted to know why my user name was fana - of - allah well, it means that one is extinct in allah what this means is extinct in the love of allah (swt), these are terminologies which you might not have come across they are used in thasauwuff, here it does not necessarly mean that one is extint in the love only but it means that his love for allah (swt0 is manifested by his action, words, and activities, that he is not lazy in carrying out he commands of allah(swt). i am only trying to become this".

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh Brother Fan-of-Allah,

 Feel free to write in the board,welcome to islamicity board!,also Dr.Edriss,you welcome too!...



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Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 8:17am

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Originally posted by Suleyman

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetulahi ve Berakatuh Dear User,

Let's explain the meaning of tasawwuf from the science of shariat,

Those who talk about "eating" and "drinking" Tazkiya cannot explain Tassawwuf from any perspective. Therefore thank you, but no thanks. I don't pay attention to such claims which have lost credibilty in terms of being sincere.

Two. My post was in no way directed to you.

Three. I was not using any authority in my comments. Your presumptions and accusations are boldly false.

Four. I have very little to ponder on Maulana Maududi's writings.

 



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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 9:17am
at the end of the day brother and sister we must come to know that purification is an important aspect of islam and we as muslims should not neglect it, moreover we should take steps in trying to purifiy ourselves dont you agree?

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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 11:56am

Originally posted by fanaofallah

at the end of the day brother and sister we must come to know that purification is an important aspect of islam and we as muslims should not neglect it, moreover we should take steps in trying to purifiy ourselves dont you agree?

 Yes,i am with you,i agree...Jazak Allah Khair...



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by Nausheen

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Originally posted by Suleyman

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetulahi ve Berakatuh Dear User,

Let's explain the meaning of tasawwuf from the science of shariat,

Those who talk about "eating" and "drinking" Tazkiya cannot explain Tassawwuf from any perspective. Therefore thank you, but no thanks. I don't pay attention to such claims which have lost credibilty in terms of being sincere.

Two. My post was in no way directed to you.

Three. I was not using any authority in my comments. Your presumptions and accusations are boldly false.

Four. I have very little to ponder on Maulana Maududi's writings.

 

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh Dear User,

Dear user,i represent my best regards to you for your refusenik approach on an high issue like this,thank u very much;you will not see any more pressure from me,your potential is clear,work is over...best regards.

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).

Amin!!!

 



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Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 3:25pm

assalamualicum read this:

THINK before your THOUGHTS  become your WORDS
THINK before your WORDS become your DESIRES
THINK before your DESIRES become your ACTIONS
THINK before your ACTIONS become your HABITS
THINK before your HABITS become your DESTINATION
THINK before your DESTINATION BECOMES TOO LATE!!!!

we must change by doing purification and then go to meet allah (swt) otherwise we might end up in the wrong place HELL!

www.zawiyah.org



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by fanaofallah

assalamualicum read this:

THINK before your THOUGHTS  become your WORDS
THINK before your WORDS become your DESIRES
THINK before your DESIRES become your ACTIONS
THINK before your ACTIONS become your HABITS
THINK before your HABITS become your DESTINATION
THINK before your DESTINATION BECOMES TOO LATE!!!!

we must change by doing purification and then go to meet allah (swt) otherwise we might end up in the wrong place HELL!

www.zawiyah.org

 Very nice words,Jazak Allah Khair...can i add something?;live your religion unless your life will be your religion...how was it?



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Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 12:49pm
brother suleyman read what i wrote under general disscusion in reply to your request!

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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 12:54pm

Originally posted by fanaofallah

brother suleyman read what i wrote under general disscusion in reply to your request!

 brother,i have read your respond;bu sure of that...wa salaam...



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Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by Suleyman

 

 bu sure of that...wa salaam...

assalamualicum brother what do you mean by this? what does bu mean?



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by fanaofallah

Originally posted by Suleyman

 

 bu sure of that...wa salaam...

assalamualicum brother what do you mean by this? what does bu mean?

,Aleykum Selam ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh brother Fan-of-Allah,

 brother,;it means that i made an grammar mistake......bu means be!...i re-write the words:

be sure of that...wa salaam...



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Posted By: fanaofallah
Date Posted: 26 May 2005 at 10:17am

assalamualicum brother what do you mean by "be sure of that"

please explain furthur>>>>>>>>>>>>>



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