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Jesus prophesied Islam. Prophecy of Jesus

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Topic: Jesus prophesied Islam. Prophecy of Jesus
Posted By: ABDUL-RAHMAN
Subject: Jesus prophesied Islam. Prophecy of Jesus
Date Posted: 17 November 2006 at 8:52pm

ORIGINAL WRITING FROM:

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/bible/ - http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/bible/

 

COVERS OF WEB-BOOK:

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/koran/covers/ - http://www.angelfire.com/planet/koran/covers/

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/gospels/bible/ - http://www.angelfire.com/planet/gospels/bible/

 

JESUS PROPHESIED ISLAM / PROPHET MOHAMMED (peace be upon him) AND TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK”-RELIGIONS (in Qur´an 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows best)

 

 

(These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)

 

 

1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years

 

Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard.

 

3. "ABOUT the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians / Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in [DIRECTION OF] South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went.

 

"He went out again ABOUT the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophecies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple and short description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself).

 

6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 or 500-700 AC, depending on calculation of two first group of workers) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?'

 

7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered. "He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'

 

8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).'

 

9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (400-600 or 500-700 AC, depending from calculation of two first group of workers) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (exiles, slavery, occupations, persecutions).'

 

13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?'

 

 

16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last."

 

[Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"]

 

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1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" =  600 years

 

 

Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of Israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruits (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion" / least corrupted religion in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion for whole mankind)?'

 

8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" Israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity, from way of Islam, after that “year”, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of prophet Mohammed, pbuh, almost exactly 600 years later in 632AC).' "

 

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MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16

 

There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour"

 

("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th)

10th = 200-400 AC

9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->)

8th = 200 BC- 1 AD

7th = 400 BC-200 BC

6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied)

5th = 800 BC-600 BC

4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC

3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians)

2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC

1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews)

"0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC)

 

Well, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginal" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity.

 

MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9

 

Maybe Israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (even though part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. Israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible?

 

Israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical and religious connection between Semitist Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. Even from Jewish view those are not good fruits (Jesus was Jew).

 

Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as Islam was in India or China for example already 1000 years ago, where Christians are only a recently born minority). All those Christian areas / populations are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus and Bible now (there is in hadiths prophecy of prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future).

 

More questions for Christians refusing this interpretation:

 

Some would say that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that TOO (although first group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and long for that alone. It would have just been easy to say that master gives denar for workers, and that’s it.

 

Most popular Christian interpretation is that here Jesus told how disciples were hired in "early in the morning" and in "third" hour as apostles (it does not make sense at all, as all disciples were "hired" at once by Jesus, not in two time periods, and why would apostles be unhappy about later Christians entering also paradise, even before them, as they were one to convert them?), and that from "sixth" to "ninth" hour is about apostle Paul (again, why it would have been said to happen between these two time-periods, and not just in one?), and that in last hour is talked about all later Christians (who will come "first even though they were last", why would they enter paradise before apostles that were chosen by Jesus himself, and especially why would apostles go mad about them going one second before them into paradise, as all mentioned in parallel are saved anyway?).

 

 

Some say this Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to come from Jews. What else could it be? And why time schedules fits so well in both of these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not care how these will look in the future? Did he not care about souls lost because of this interpretation?

 

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MORE ABOUT BIBLE:

 

Luke.12:51-52 “Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.”

 

So house of Abraham is divided because of different beliefs about position of Jesus, mainly into 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and into two Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite). And it has NOT been denied that these could battle even with other sects among themselves, but most commonly conflicts have happened between Islam and Christianity.

Some Christians say this is about sacrifice inside real families (as in elsewhere in Gospels there is used words as "mother against daughter" in similar parallel) in case of "conversions" to another religions. Otherwise good explanation (in fact differences / similarities between "household" and f.ex. "daughter" can be seen to tell us about comparation between households and relationship with followers of other religions), but there has not been much such controversy and diversity in Christian-countries since emperor of Rome declared Christianity as only allowed religion. After that invaded areas in America, Africa and Asia have been efficiently converted mostly by force / decision of rulers, so giving protection for "converts" even from their own family. In modern secularism atheistic / traditional-believers usually could not care less if their child would like to celebrate (by singing etc.) Jesus. But in (now dominantly) Muslim-countries shift from Christian majority to Muslim majority took centuries, and so made accepting Islam very hard (even though only real dispute with Christians is position of Jesus, it might be reason why Jesus gave these words of comfort for those who are accepting Islam). Also "terrorism" and generally bad public image of Muslims has made even secular parents to panic if their children / partner finds Islam (yes, my mother too did so...).

 

Matt.12:26-27 Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, about “Father”, not about Jehovah for example. Why? And “I am truth, way, and life” does not mean Jesus was a god, but a prophet who did teach TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one God (f.ex. Mark.12:29 and Luke.4:8), who gave us WAY and example in worshipping on knees face to ground (Matt.26:39) and being totally submitting to God, and all this will give LIFE (comfort and paradise). All Muslims have to believe in Jesus TOO to be a Muslim: as Jesus said, no Muslim will be saved but through (ALSO) him (as by believing into all prophets, as demanded in Islam).

 

Matt.21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”

 

As Jesus told (to ALL people who were there, so “Christians”, his followers, also, not just to priests, who even might not be there then anymore, but maybe left him after he answered theirs question much earlier), Jews (and its sect Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it was given to Arabs, ONE nation (Christianity is not based on other single nation but Jews).

 

More debate about this:

DEBATE: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3&pp=20 - http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3 &pp=20

 

Here Jesus announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen (usually) Christians by Bible to Islam and eventually to Muslim-countries:

 

John.10:16 ”I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Qur´an and monotheism/prophecies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).”

 

Matt.18:12-14 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little children to be lost.”

 

Luke.15:4-7 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. “

 

Here words (leaving other sheep’s at SAFELY HOME in) “MOUNTAINS” and “DESERT” describe general nature / climate in Muslim-countries near Christian countries ( = Europe / Sub-Saharan Africa).

 

Some Christians may say that these are Christians who are "directed to home by death of Jesus", but here Jesus confirmed that if Christians (99+1 sheep’s) are in "true religion", then he did not come for them in general, to save them all, as he described his followers as sheep’s (he even said that there is "other" sheep’s in his followers). So he came for (future) Muslims (that +1):

 

Matt.9:12-13 “But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are SICK. But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Luke.9:56 “for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.”

 

So Jesus WAS (prophesied) king (of Jews and Rome controlling them), Messiah, he divided Rome to East-Rome and West-Rome by religious differences (by conflict about religious power between pope and emperor), Muslims got East-Rome because of that, Byzantium, and so also whole North-Africa. And he “sacrificed” for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in symbolic way (for example that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again, no matter what they have done before as Christians). If Europe, America and Africa had stayed in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been much worse than it was for Christians in Rome, who did not have such strict demand for total monotheism (they have "trinity", which is closer to Roman religions of that time than Islam). With saints for example Christianity were able easily to be one to replace pagan-god’s in Europe (god’s were replaced by saints, holidays with Christian holidays), America and Africa, and so did bring them again closer to Islam (by Bible and prophets, even by nominal "monotheism", at least in theory). In Africa f.ex. Islam did not make much advance in rainforest-areas before colonial-time and Christianity, and many Africans accepted Islam even as a protest against Christian colonial-powers.

 

12:39 "He answered, ´A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.´

 

Jesus was understood to be dead by all but God as he said that he will be "gone", so "dead" for disciples f.ex., and so came true prophecy about his "death" (human-view), and also words of Qur´an about him not dying into crucifixion by Jews (what Allah knows), see my writing in http://www.angelfire.com/planet/crucifixion - http://www.angelfire.com/planet/crucifixion . So in fact Jesus gave for some part of people in the World "postponed" / "delayed" judgment as a "people without knowledge" (like illiterate people dictated by church and interpretations of priests about Bible, translations from Qur´an came for Christians mostly in modern times with immigration of Muslims, and now that and everything else about Islam f.ex. by internet), until Islam and knowledge reached them too (immigration of Muslims into Christian countries is accepted also because even Jesus immigrated too and told to "invite others in", as Christians think that they can convert Muslims into Christianity easier in Christian countries).

 

There is reason for existence of Christianity, and there is reason why Jesus is coming back: To direct his "own" back into Truth again. Over 50% of world population are either Christians or Muslims, and only real difference between them is dispute about position of Jesus. In Africa 50% of population are Muslims, in Asia 33%, over there lives most poor people, and even Jesus and Qur´an both told that some have their share in this life, and some in next life (and some in both). Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as it was already 1000 years ago in India or China for example, where Christians are just arrived minority). All those Christian areas / populations are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, peace be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future).

 

Matt.22:45 “If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he (Jesus) be his son?"

 

Here only possibility could be that spirit of Jesus were born before David, and so Jesus was in “high rank” compared to David (Jesus is most mentioned prophet in Qur´an). Idea about Jesus being son of David, from descent of David, contradicts and refutes idea about actual “son of God”, as if Jesus had no human father, then he did not have genetically background in David who was relative of Joseph. So why would God be his genetic father then, if even David was not? So Jesus confirmed his saying that he was created (in heavens) before Abraham, and that he is “son of God”, prophet, as Jews understood it (look at link "Jesus warned about Paul" http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021117 - http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=102 1117 ) , as Jesus was a Jew too. But not actual biological son of Allah...

 

More about Jesus, Paul, Bible (and also about science in Qur´an) in (each in its own link in right-hand side of page):

 

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/ - http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/




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