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Topic: what do you think ?
Posted By: Shery
Subject: what do you think ?
Date Posted: 14 October 2006 at 4:55pm

 

 

The war from afghanistan to lebanon is really war against terrorism

or its all about jerusalem ? and the temple of mount ?

they wants to remove our mosque to build their temple ...

and the crusades are waiting to see who will win ,, muslims or jew

 

 



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يا الله اسالك بعزتك لا تفتن عدونا بالانتصار علينا

لا تفتنا بالقنوط من رحمتك

ولا ييأس من رحمتك الا القوم الضالون

اللهم أنت القادر علينا لا تهنا بذنوبنا

اللهم انصرنا و انصر الاسلام بينا



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Posted By: ZubairH
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 4:51pm
I don't really think that the U.S. would want to invade afghanistan for that. Really. But Israel in Lebanon? They probably want them to have a clear safe place in that area alone, with no one else to threaten them or overpower them in the area, so that has some truth. BUt not just to eliminate us. They want to stay in control within their own area.


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 4:41pm

I strongly believe that its all about Jerusalem ...

 

Have you ever heard that they are digging under the aqsa mosque

so they are weaken it

In hope that a earthquake happen and the mosque collapse ...

 

So I dont think that Israel or USA would ever give up their goals and temple of mount .



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يا الله اسالك بعزتك لا تفتن عدونا بالانتصار علينا

لا تفتنا بالقنوط من رحمتك

ولا ييأس من رحمتك الا القوم الضالون

اللهم أنت القادر علينا لا تهنا بذنوبنا

اللهم انصرنا و انصر الاسلام بينا


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 November 2006 at 1:36am

They want to stay in control within their own area.

Thank goodness, at least, someone knows! You mean the whole wide world is their area and that's why they keep invading all over the place?

BUt not just to eliminate us. Yaar, take us also in confidence about when you got such assurance?



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 01 November 2006 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Shery

I strongly believe that its all about Jerusalem ...

 

Have you ever heard that they are digging under the aqsa mosque

so they are weaken it

In hope that a earthquake happen and the mosque collapse ...

well if that was happening, then the Wall would also go, since both buildings are virtually next to each other, it would be a cascading event.



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 5:21am
Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by Shery

I strongly believe that its all about Jerusalem ...

 

Have you ever heard that they are digging under the aqsa mosque

so they are weaken it

In hope that a earthquake happen and the mosque collapse ...

well if that was happening, then the Wall would also go, since both buildings are virtually next to each other, it would be a cascading event.

 

Inshallah allah will protect aqsa mosque as HE protected quoran Kareem amen amen amen ..



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يا الله اسالك بعزتك لا تفتن عدونا بالانتصار علينا

لا تفتنا بالقنوط من رحمتك

ولا ييأس من رحمتك الا القوم الضالون

اللهم أنت القادر علينا لا تهنا بذنوبنا

اللهم انصرنا و انصر الاسلام بينا


Posted By: StarComm
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 11:45am
Howabout muslims, christians and jews rebuild the temple together and let us all worship The One God in it...no muslim has anything against the first builder of the temple (Shlomo, Solomon, Suleimaan) and someone destroyed that temple...is it not for us 3 to rebuild it together because we all believe he was a prophet and that a temple (place of worship) should exist there?

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And that He is Lord of Al shi'ra(The Star Sirius), And That He destroyed The tribe of 'Ad that was first.

[chapter the star verse 49-50]


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 12:23pm

Originally posted by StarComm

Howabout muslims, christians and jews rebuild the temple together and let us all worship The One God in it...no muslim has anything against the first builder of the temple (Shlomo, Solomon, Suleimaan) and someone destroyed that temple...is it not for us 3 to rebuild it together because we all believe he was a prophet and that a temple (place of worship) should exist there?

So why rebuild if it the same god

 

why dont we keep the same mosque and we all worship together if you really have a good aims toward god ?

 

beside same god with christian ( they believe that jesus is god and son of god )

 

and also why you are interested in temple of mount while you will have gay pride parade in jerusalem ? !

 

You apply some of torat and disobey most of it ?

 

you dont even respect your own book or the holy places ?

 

So why you want to build the temple to make the gays get married there ? and the fonicators go to pray there with their forbidden children came from fornication ?

 

cuz as far as I know most of israeli woman get pregnant and lose virginity before marriage .. is that what god told you in torat ?

 

is that all about judaism dozen of satanic home in tel aviv and dozen of gays organizations in eilat and tel aviv also ?

 

Go build your temple in san francisco where gays have rights ! to may in church and synagogue

stop stinking the holy lands more than that .



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يا الله اسالك بعزتك لا تفتن عدونا بالانتصار علينا

لا تفتنا بالقنوط من رحمتك

ولا ييأس من رحمتك الا القوم الضالون

اللهم أنت القادر علينا لا تهنا بذنوبنا

اللهم انصرنا و انصر الاسلام بينا


Posted By: StarComm
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by Shery

Originally posted by StarComm

Howabout muslims, christians and jews rebuild the temple together and let us all worship The One God in it...no muslim has anything against the first builder of the temple (Shlomo, Solomon, Suleimaan) and someone destroyed that temple...is it not for us 3 to rebuild it together because we all believe he was a prophet and that a temple (place of worship) should exist there?

So why rebuild if it the same god

 

why dont we keep the same mosque and we all worship together if you really have a good aims toward god ?

 

beside same god with christian ( they believe that jesus is god and son of god )

 

and also why you are interested in temple of mount while you will have gay pride parade in jerusalem ? !

 

You apply some of torat and disobey most of it ?

 

you dont even respect your own book or the holy places ?

 

So why you want to build the temple to make the gays get married there ? and the fonicators go to pray there with their forbidden children came from fornication ?

 

cuz as far as I know most of israeli woman get pregnant and lose virginity before marriage .. is that what god told you in torat ?

 

is that all about judaism dozen of satanic home in tel aviv and dozen of gays organizations in eilat and tel aviv also ?

 

Go build your temple in san francisco where gays have rights ! to may in church and synagogue

stop stinking the holy lands more than that .

I find it surprising you assume i am jewish, not that i am offended by it but i am in respect of your generalization of jews, there are jews who uphold their book. I believe that all 3 books should be implemented in the holy land, it is declared holy by The God and we jews christians and muslimeen agree upon that, and because we agree in this we realize and believe that His laws should apply there...jews, christians and muslimeen have different laws they are requiered to adhere to and none of these laws from the books are in conflict with the laws of the other books. The problem is that there are people who consider the other faiths as false or not valid anymore, there are many who take their religious scholars as "gods", how they do this is by using secondary sources like the words of Rabbis and their books and the words of their priests and their books and the words of their imams and their books as equal or above the words of The God and His laws...they have claims such as that one can not understand the laws without their secondary sources and in some cases claim that these secondary sources are the words of Moses, the apostles or those endued with "the holy spirit" or Muhammad...if these secondary sources these religious people use would be from The One and Only God they would not conflict His other books or be a cause for friction and strife between the faithful of either group.

The fruit of truth is peace, the fruit of falsehood is war...maybe this is how we should examine the religious texts we hold as important...because in the end all that matters is faith in One God, being truthful, doing what pleases Him and thus causes us to be in  peace with Him, and by doing(good) those things which gains His peace with us we gain peace with all of His creation except ofcourse, those who have no interest in peace with Him, these fear other things and issues then Him who created(fear) and mankind either acts out of "love" or "fear" and if these are placed in other then Him who has the most right to His creation the result is injustice... opression of people, unjust killings and suffering at the hands of other people exists because of people acting out of either misplaced fear or misplaced love.



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And that He is Lord of Al shi'ra(The Star Sirius), And That He destroyed The tribe of 'Ad that was first.

[chapter the star verse 49-50]


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 2:46pm

 

I find it surprising you assume i am jewish,

 I didnt assume that you are jew ... but You could mean prular too ?

and the one who wants to build the temple of mount is jew .

not that i am offended by it but i am in respect of your generalization of jews, there are jews who uphold their book.

well that something would makes me feel good

if they really hold their books !

and those who hold their book ? why they agree that girls in israel act as western girls and have sex in young ages without marriages

and gay pride parade in jerusalem !

see we in egypt ( no one dare to do that to us ) if we are religious

they cant dare to make gay pride parade in egypt and we are not a holy land ...

so are they strong enough to defend their religion as we do ?

to stop sin ? in the holy country ?

 

 

 I believe that all 3 books should be implemented in the holy land,

I agree

but you are hitting on the wall

Israeli do not even give a chance for youth to pray in Aqsa mosque

Mr ... we muslims arent the problem

go talk with israeli governement who oppress everyone in israel !

 

 

 it is declared holy by The God and we jews christians and muslimeen agree upon that, and because we agree in this we realize and believe that His laws should apply there...jews, christians and muslimeen have different laws they are requiered to adhere to and none of these laws from the books are in conflict with the laws of the other books.

 

Words are adorable and easy

but reality is hard .. its easy for you to say that

but no one wants the aqsa mosque and muslims wouldnt accept that ... so give me a solution then ?

The problem is that there are people who consider the other faiths as false or not valid anymore, there are many who take their

In islam if you dont transgrate or attacking us

your beliefs is your own problem and choice ..

we do not force anyone to believe in our islam

and we believe in judaism and christinity and we are ordered to believe in them ,but of course we believe that their books been corrupted somehow ... some parts are true

but the most of it are corrupted as some verses talking about prophets who fornicate and stuff we dont admit those stuff

beside christinity believe in jesus is god

we muslims believe he is prophet and we believe that he was never been crusified ... then the christian for us worship and believe to unknown person ( who is probably judas iscariot )

religious scholars as "gods", how they do this is by using secondary sources like the words of Rabbis and their books and the words of their priests and their books and the words of their imams and their books as equal or above the words of The God and His laws...they have claims such as that one can not understand the laws without their secondary sources and in some cases claim that these secondary sources are the words of Moses, the apostles or those endued with "the holy spirit" or Muhammad...if these secondary sources these religious people use would be from The One and Only God they would not conflict His other books or be a cause for friction and strife between the faithful of either group.

The fruit of truth is peace, the fruit of falsehood is war...maybe this is how we should examine the religious texts we hold as important...because in the end all that matters is faith in One God, being truthful, doing what pleases Him and thus causes us to be in  peace with Him, and by doing(good) those things which gains His peace with us we gain peace with all of His creation except ofcourse, those who have no interest in peace with Him, these fear other things and issues then Him who created(fear) and mankind either acts out of "love" or "fear" and if these are placed in other then Him who has the most right to His creation the result is injustice... opression of people, unjust killings and suffering at the hands of other people exists because of people acting out of either misplaced fear or misplaced love.

 

All that sound ok ... and peace is perfect

But it seems that Bush administration has a different point of view than yours ...

and Israel also the one who never quit occupying and attacking their neighbors

 

By the way .. I m a muslim who see islam as a perfect religion

that none of the muslims should even think to defend the ideology of islam ...

and we are not the one who suppose to defend our culture and religion cuz they are more than perfect

 

but USA , and europe they are the one who owns us many explanation about their religion and their culture

that full of pervet stuff in the name of freedom

If that the culture of freedom .. I d like to live in non freedom culture

Thank you .



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يا الله اسالك بعزتك لا تفتن عدونا بالانتصار علينا

لا تفتنا بالقنوط من رحمتك

ولا ييأس من رحمتك الا القوم الضالون

اللهم أنت القادر علينا لا تهنا بذنوبنا

اللهم انصرنا و انصر الاسلام بينا


Posted By: StarComm
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 10:38am

In the middle ages the church opressed the people who were "different", so at one point in history the people had enough of the opression of kings supported by the church so they worked to achieve a more just society, they chose to seperate church from state and this resulted in alot of good things but also was the cause of some less good things to happen...atleast In a secular society you have the choice what to do, if you wish to be a pervert you can be aslong as you do not harm others or force them to participate in your perversion because then it becomes a crime, the bottom line with a secular "western" society is that aslong as that which you do does not harm others you are free to do it, and when it does harm others then it is considered a crime (ofcourse we can debate wether individual acts which are immoral are indirectly harmful to society) this does not mean that perversion is considered good or wholesome for society by the people in charge of the free nations but at the same time you can not deny people their personal freedom of choice, in the end you can not force people to be righteous, this has to be an individual choice and what a government of a free society does is provide good education to it's people as to make them able to make balanced choices as to make them productive and useful citizens, and with these productive and useful well educated citizens things can change on a social level rather then change being imposed from rulers. Sure there are people who do not wish to be educated and wish to follow their own lusts, don't think this is not considered a problem because it affects society and good progres, there are temptations even in a dictatorship, maybe not in the open out of fear for punishment by the dictator but in secret to the level of the mind only, even if you chain a pervert in darkness he will still be free to think, so why not give him the freedom to make his own choices and let Allah teach him that bad will not be a cause of happiness and salvation.

There are many in western free societies who are not perverts and are good responsible citizen who wish to see the world in a better state.

 



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And that He is Lord of Al shi'ra(The Star Sirius), And That He destroyed The tribe of 'Ad that was first.

[chapter the star verse 49-50]


Posted By: StarComm
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 2:52pm
As for Israel, there were orthodox jews setting things on fire in protest of the gay parade, an ultra orthodox jew even stabbed 3 people during an event, but would such a person be willing to discuss sharing jerusalem and the temple with muslimeen and christians as to worship in it? Israel is a democracy (secular free) because i imagine that the jews who decided it to be so had agreed with Great Brittain to be so, moreover i can imagine the reasoning of a secular state where there is separation of church and state would be the best sollution to a country that consists of different people who hold different beliefs and religions. The One God declared this land holy, so how can anyone really believe that peace can exist there while not implementing His "roadmap to peace" (His laws and commands)? He truely is a jelous God as it is said in The Old Testament (the torah) and His jelousy is perfect.

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And that He is Lord of Al shi'ra(The Star Sirius), And That He destroyed The tribe of 'Ad that was first.

[chapter the star verse 49-50]


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 9:45am

The One God declared this land holy, so how can anyone really believe that peace can exist there while not implementing His "roadmap to peace" (His laws and commands)?

Absolutely! How could any "Road Map" ever work if we are not on the real Road? Specially when all these and visits to the area are mere parts of dip low messy for maitaining the status quo.

I needed to join you in some of your above posts, but had been too busy even to breathe in a few other things. But just simply brilliant.



Posted By: StarComm
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 5:47am
Originally posted by Whisper

The One God declared this land holy, so how can anyone really believe that peace can exist there while not implementing His "roadmap to peace" (His laws and commands)?

Absolutely! How could any "Road Map" ever work if we are not on the real Road? Specially when all these and visits to the area are mere parts of dip low messy for maitaining the status quo.

I needed to join you in some of your above posts, but had been too busy even to breathe in a few other things. But just simply brilliant.

And all praise is to Allah...

The real road is seeking peace with The One...because if people seek peace with Him first and foremost, they would achieve peace with all his creation (including their fellow man), and the only one that would remain an enemy is satan and his tribe...ofcourse there are many who are confused and fearful and so they seek a way to live in peace and prosperaty but they seek it with other then Allah, so the world is a mess in some ways, and sometimes we fail to fully use our God given reason....but had there not been such people and everyone would seek peace with Allah, then satan and his people would be singled out ...they would be the only ones with an ungrateful and murderous look on their faces.....he and his tribe have been given time...and he(satan) has no power over the sincere servants of Allah...

Seeking peace with mankind should not even be a consideration...it will only be the cause of future conflict and chaos, though mending relations and making peace between people is the way of the blessed.

Seeking the peace with Allah should be the priority, because by working for this, one achieves peace with more and more of His creation.

Allah guides by the ways of peace" He says in the koran.

 

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And that He is Lord of Al shi'ra(The Star Sirius), And That He destroyed The tribe of 'Ad that was first.

[chapter the star verse 49-50]



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