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Posted By: Islaah
Subject: ?
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 5:32pm

 

maybe i was a grouch, maybe i did doubt, so sorry

 

is my ban still in place for using many names?

and are you willing not to act as though the truth belongs to you alone?

 

 

 




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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 6:08pm
and what were you known as before on this forum?

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Posted By: Islaah
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 5:13pm

 

i'd be surprised if if the moderators are not aware of who i am

 



Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by Islaah

 


i'd be surprised if if the moderators are not aware of who i am


 



Yea, how can they scan 100,000,000 Ip's.....

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Posted By: Islaah
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 3:30am

 

no worries i'll save them the hassle of trying to work it out, i’ll leave on my own free will, for i’ve remembered why i had all the problems anyway…….

namely people trying to tell me everything is fine, when in fact my poverty means i am trapped in a house where i am not even allowed to practice the religion, so it seems to me people are merely using others to justify their own actions……. afterall if you lived in a palace and wished not to share through greed, naturally you would only wish to hear everything is fine, because if i said otherwise maybe you might feel the guilt.

 

  

 



Posted By: Antony-Islaah
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 4:25pm

 

the thing i hate most though is the fact that, even on this website, you have an aloof academic elite, whom find it below their status to correspond with us mere commoners……. given that this is the case i am even more enraged that when i approached you/them with an explanation of the dilemmas facing quantum mechanics and the unification of the energy forces and gravity into One Force, they see fit to completely ignore me.

 

wake up to the hypocrisy!

they either know more so do not have to listen, and when they don’t they still don’t have to listen!

 

so what if you do not know what i am on about, that’s why i have been trying to open a dialogue with them, so what if you wish to ban me from your site for using multiple names, this is a result of the very non-religious way you/they ignore those whom wish you would face the issues your comfy-lives allow you to sweep under the carpet! 

 

 



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 03 October 2006 at 12:47am
Originally posted by Antony-Islaah

an explanation of the dilemmas facing quantum mechanics and the unification of the energy forces and gravity into One Force, they see fit to completely ignore me.

hey nadir a.k.a many other names to many to list, how's things ??

I see you are still in the habit of changing names



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Antony-Islaah
Date Posted: 03 October 2006 at 8:35am

 

hi angel.....

well i'm still suffering from some of the same problems (as you have gracefully pointed out). how are you? i hope you are well.

before i am banned again, what do you think i should do, just publish and put these academics to shame? because i promise you now, if they force me to do so without even having the courtesy of responding to any of my mails, i will show them no mercy..... but then i now know i cannot expect them to listen to anything i say, for they are so aloof they are only able to doubt, after all academics hold the view that only man/woman is able to impart knowledge (ie they only recognise knowledge as college/university degree etc), 'God forbid' anyone learning other than by their decree!

 

   Sahih Al-Bukhari - Volume 1, Book 3, Number 71:

Narrated Muawiya:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "If Allah wants to do good to a person, He makes him comprehend the religion. I am just a distributor, but the grant is from Allah. (And remember) that this nation (true Muslims) will keep on following Allah's teachings strictly and they will not be harmed by any one going on a different path till Allah's order (Day of Judgment) is established."    

 

  



Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 03 October 2006 at 10:15am
Wow. This is a worthwhile effort isn't it?


Posted By: Antony-Islaah
Date Posted: 03 October 2006 at 4:06pm

 

yeah so worthwhile you felt the need to comment... pity you are unable to see beyond the surface (for your sake i hope you do not read the Qur’an from such a shallow perspective).....

i personally cannot think of anything more fundamental than the issue of whether matter gave birth to consciousness, or whether a conscious entity created the heavens and the earth, it seems pretty obvious to believers that the law matter obeys had to be in place before matter started obeying, hence this is really just about providing a explanation for those lost in complication, whom look down on people in scorn as a result.

 

   "Pride is to reject the truth and to scorn other people." [Reported by Muslim (no.91)]

 

Holy Qur’an

Surat Ghaafir

 

56:Verily, those who dispute about the Ayat of Allah, without any authority having come to them, there is nothing else in their breasts except pride. They will never have it (i.e. Prophethood which Allah has bestowed upon you). So seek refuge in Allah. Verily, it is He Who is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

57:The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind, yet most of mankind know not.

58: And not equal are the blind and those who see, nor are (equal) those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous good deeds, and those who do evil. Little do you remember!

59: Verily, the Hour (Day of Judgement) is surely coming, therein is no doubt, yet most men believe not.

60: And your Lord said: "Invoke Me, I will respond to your (invocation). Verily! Those who scorn My worship they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!"

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 1:00am
Originally posted by Antony-Islaah

hi angel.....

well i'm still suffering from some of the same problems (as you have gracefully pointed out). how are you? i hope you are well.

i'm ok.

before i am banned again, what do you think i should do, just publish and put these academics to shame? because i promise you now, if they force me to do so without even having the courtesy of responding to any of my mails, i will show them no mercy..... but then i now know i cannot expect them to listen to anything i say, for they are so aloof they are only able to doubt, after all academics hold the view that only man/woman is able to impart knowledge (ie they only recognise knowledge as college/university degree etc), 'God forbid' anyone learning other than by their decree!

Well, I have to say this, NO ONE is forcing you to do anything

Didn't I gave you that idea to publish what you have once before? I think you should publish anyway, if you have this information and can put it in book form them do so. Life and such and information is NOT dependant on what so called academics have to say and besides information changes over time when new things and discoveries arises. Ordinary people, those that are not academic  can learn in other ways to, do you really need an academic to tell you that standing in the sun you'll get hot and sunburnt??.

If you can find a publisher that is willing then go ahead. If your book starts gettting attention from the public then those academic people will start to listen. Sometimes you need to create a stir to make people turn heads. Not many people like to sway from the norm and when some one comes along with something different it will get attention, of course some will just brush it aside and call it rubbish and not give it a second thought.

Don't go ahead and do this to show or have some kind of revenge towards those that aren't listening, you'll probably end up not doing your best, DO it because you have something to share with others be it academics/scientists or just the general population and for yourself but never do it for some kind of revenge I believe you set yourself up for a fall, your heart and passion has to be in the right place for something to work out well.  



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Posted By: Antony-Islaah
Date Posted: 05 October 2006 at 6:53am

 

Alhamdullilah,

 

how much you have learnt dear Angel.

 

 

i recently did some research with regards to when the month of fasting (ie Ramadan) was prescribed by Allah {SWT}, and maybe it will not come as a surprise to you that it was in the fourteenth year of revelation… i say it might not be a surprise to you because i am sure you more than most, know how off-putting it can be having people forcing religion ‘down your throat’.

 

i personally have sought advice from imam’s and alike, and found that they lack the scope to compassionately teach reverts, when i have been struggling to implement certain aspects of the religion (taking into account i am not allowed to fully incorporate the religion in my parents house), they have advised me in a blunt, uncompassionate way, expecting me to instantly become Muslim in every aspect….. this has only had the effect of making me feel down, and led me to punishing myself because i have been unable to do as they say.

 

 

the fact that the month of fasting was not prescribed by Allah {SWT} until the fourteenth year of revelation, hints at the mercy Allah showed for those embracing the religion from scratch…….

 

i sincerely believe that God is guiding you O Angel, and i believe that if you gave it some thought, you would recognise that He is doing so in a way that only - The Most Gracious, Most Merciful is able to guide……. i believe that He, The All-Knowing has been holding and protecting you, and has prevented you from learning from those whom are unable to guide you in the way that He, knowing everything about you, is able to.

 

 

you know God’s Grace, He teaches you at the perfect pace

 

you know God’s Mercy, when you have repented He has forgiven your mistakes.        

 

 

 



Posted By: superme
Date Posted: 06 October 2006 at 9:15am
Originally posted by Antony-Islaah

 

i personally have sought advice from imam’s and alike, and found that they lack the scope to compassionately teach reverts, when i have been struggling to implement certain aspects of the religion (taking into account i am not allowed to fully incorporate the religion in my parents house), they have advised me in a blunt, uncompassionate way, expecting me to instantly become Muslim in every aspect….. this has only had the effect of making me feel down, and led me to punishing myself because i have been unable to do as they say.

Real classic occurances, it happened to me once when I asked the 1/2 bake knowledgable friend. But I manage it on my own ever since and I am enjoying it by feeling the struggle trying to understand something that by right need to be studied under supervision. The fruits are sweet really - after sweating.



Posted By: Antony-Islaah
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 9:44am

 

 

Thank you for your reply supreme, and I accept what you say.

 

You talk about ‘under supervision’, would that be under the supervision of a person merely following what he found his forefathers upon before him, while expecting me to renounce all my forefathers taught me?

 

If I said to the very same person, I have proof one of the other versions of Islam (ie one of the other of the four madhabs) is correct and the version you follow is not, how much resistance do you think I would find if I asked that person to renounce what he found his forefathers upon?

 

 

Well I already know, they would completely ignore me, so the way I see it, I have already acted in a more humble way than any of those claiming to exclusively posses the truth, for I have renounced much of what I found my forefathers upon!   

 

 

 



Posted By: Antony-Islaah
Date Posted: 09 October 2006 at 5:01am

 

thank you for your advice Angel & supreme

i think its quite obvious why i do not belong here, i only came back because i was sent three emails by 'ICforum'..... i hope they are able to respect my wishes and cease from contacting me in the future. 

 



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 11 October 2006 at 1:57am

If you are lurking, I have been away since last post, but thanks for you last reply, my response is  

Well, Good luck for the future



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Posted By: Antony-Islah
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 4:56am

 

i have returned just so that i may reply to you dear Angel.

i think i may be over the thing that has been leading to my leaving and hence changing names upon returning (Insha Allah)..... i have accepted that Muslim leaders do not wish to reply to me, mind you i am still no closer to fathoming it out, i thought they would want to discuss such an issue, as a pose to allowing me to use it (the science) in a way i see fit…….

after all they are continually telling me that they know best, which is shown via their actions – i.e. that they preach and do not allow me to even ask them a question regarding my understanding of what they have said… but hey i guess Allah {SWT} wants me to have a say, and who can stop Allah’s decree, right?!

 

anyway i am glad you appreciated my reply, and sorry for my (past & future) awkwardness, although i hope the worst is behind me!

so tell me what do you know today?

 

 



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 7:35am
Originally posted by Antony-Islah

i have returned just so that i may reply to you dear Angel.

 

i think i may be over the thing that has been leading to my leaving and hence changing names upon returning (Insha Allah).

that's good to hear.

.... i have accepted that Muslim leaders do not wish to reply to me, mind you i am still no closer to fathoming it out, i thought they would want to discuss such an issue, as a pose to allowing me to use it (the science) in a way i see fit…….

after all they are continually telling me that they know best, which is shown via their actions – i.e. that they preach and do not allow me to even ask them a question regarding my understanding of what they have said… but hey i guess Allah {SWT} wants me to have a say, and who can stop Allah’s decree, right?!

the way i see it, its their loss.

anyway i am glad you appreciated my reply, and sorry for my (past & future) awkwardness, although i hope the worst is behind me!

, ah don't worry

so tell me what do you know today?

sorry its not much.



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Antony-Islah
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 11:05am

 

why sorry? you don't have to apoligise for being you!

just let it flow.......

 

[if anyone followed the link i posted here - i am sorry, i have now deleted it for i do not perceive that it was agood infleunce] 

 

 



Posted By: novae
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 3:45am

 

I know no Muslim’s care about this, so I don’t care about any Muslim’s.

 

 




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