Print Page | Close Window

Devout Muslim Informer

Printed From: IslamiCity.com
Category: General
Forum Name: General Discussion
Forum Discription: General Discussion
URL: http://www.IslamiCity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5907
Printed Date: 20 October 2014 at 2:23pm


Topic: Devout Muslim Informer
Posted By: abuayisha
Subject: Devout Muslim Informer
Date Posted: 14 July 2006 at 6:41am

'Devout Muslim' informer aided in Toronto conspiracy arrests

Last Updated Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:56:25 EDT

http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html - CBC News

A paid police informant who calls himself "an observant Muslim" infiltrated a group of men and youths arrested last month and charged with plotting to carry out bomb attacks and kidnappings around southern Ontario, CBC News has learned.

Mubin Shaikh spoke exclusively to Linden McIntyre of CBC's The Fifth Estate. CBC Mubin Shaikh spoke exclusively to Linden McIntyre of CBC's The Fifth Estate. (CBC)

The informant, who spoke to Linden McIntyre of CBC's The Fifth Estate, is 29-year-old Mubin Shaikh, a prominent member of Toronto's Indo-Canadian Muslim community. He was born in Canada to immigrant parents.

Press reports say Shaikh will testify at the trials of the 12 men and five youths who have been charged in the case. They were arrested in early June.

Bail hearings for the accused have been taking place in a court in Brampton, Ont., just west of Toronto. Police say members of the group bought large quantities of fertilizer to make explosives and planned a series of attacks in Ontario because they were angry about the plight of Muslims in other countries.

Shaikh told CBC News that he had worked undercover for the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service and the police for more than two years, much of that time with the suspects in the alleged bomb plots.

Shaikh, a former army cadet and Canadian Armed Forces reservist, describes the suspects as "fruitcakes...with the capacity to do some real damage."

He said what he heard about the plans by the group was similar to what police and prosecutors have alleged, that there were plans to kidnap prominent Canadians and bomb such targets as the Toronto Stock Exchange and the CBC building in Toronto.

He said he was moved to become an informer by concerns about the impact of the plot on all Canadians and particularly on the country's Muslim community.

"My interests were about Islam and Muslims, even and above Canada," he said.

Shaikh said he consulted the Qur'an and senior Muslim religious leaders before going undercover and becoming an informer.

"God says in the Qur'an that we must value one life," he said, "I was guided, I had my licence."

Shaikh has declined formal protection as a court witness after consulting a lawyer, saying he was working for the safety of Canadians and Muslims, not for the police.

Defence lawyers for the 17 accused say the government's case has many flaws and questions are already being raised about the role of informers. 

"It's going to depend on the disclosure and what role the operative played," defence lawyer and legal activist Paul Copeland told the Toronto Star.




Replies:
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 14 July 2006 at 10:29am
we need more people like him


-------------


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 14 July 2006 at 11:54am
Ditto, roger that!


Posted By: Servetus
Date Posted: 14 July 2006 at 12:23pm

Thank you, Mubin Shaikh, sir!

Serv

 



Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 14 July 2006 at 12:29pm
Finally, a Muslim willing to DO SOMETHING about extremism in our own community...a very brave man.

-------------
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 14 July 2006 at 12:38pm

Good, that man is a hero. 



-------------


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 15 July 2006 at 4:37pm

Assalamu Alaikum!

Jazak Allah Khair Shaikh for taking this step. As Muslims we have to become vigilant to report any such threat to our surroundings, our community, our nation and humanity at large.

Peace



-------------
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: candid
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 4:43am

He did it for money. Period. There is nothing heroic about it. Nothing smart, either. He betrayed those who trusted him.



Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 6:06am
Originally posted by candid

He did it for money. Period. There is nothing heroic about it. Nothing smart, either. He betrayed those who trusted him.



were you there when this transaction took place?


-------------


Posted By: candid
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 7:52am

Reread the first paragraph:-

"A paid police informant who calls himself "an observant Muslim" infiltrated a group of men and youths arrested last month and charged with plotting to carry out bomb attacks and kidnappings around southern Ontario"



Posted By: Patty
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 10:00am

C'mon, candid....you're just jealous that you didn't get the money!

I think he should be nominated "Man of the Year" by Time Magazine.  Imagine how many lives he may have saved, and how much potential damage he prevented!  BRAVO!!!!



-------------
Patty

I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future.


Posted By: Megatron
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 10:29am
Informants are the lowest form of life.  They are like prison snitches.  I live in Canada and if I ever see that guy, I'll promise to spit on him.  What a sellout. 


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 10:41am
Originally posted by Megatron

Informants are the lowest form of life.  They are like prison snitches.  I live in Canada and if I ever see that guy, I'll promise to spit on him.  What a sellout. 


Shaikh told CBC News that he had worked undercover for the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service and the police for more than two years, much of that time with the suspects in the alleged bomb plots.

Shaikh, a former army cadet and Canadian Armed Forces reservist, describes the suspects as "fruitcakes...with the capacity to do some real damage."

I think that he was an "agent" & got "rewarded"



-------------


Posted By: Megatron
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 11:12am

It's people like him that will sow the seeds of distrust amongst the Muslim community.  I have views which most people may consider controversial.  Now apparently, all my Muslim friends can potentially be a CSIS informant, take those controversial views and label me a terrorist.  With the best case scenario being that after 6 months, I am declared innocent with my carrer destroyed and my future prospects destroyed as well.  That's a load of garbage. 

In Canada, you are guilty until proven innocent.  

That guy deserves to get "Sellout" spray-painted on his house.  He is not a "hero", he's a parasite.



Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 11:20am
Originally posted by Megatron

It's people like him that will sow the seeds of distrust amongst the Muslim community.  I have views which most people may consider controversial.  Now apparently, all my Muslim friends can potentially be a CSIS informant, take those controversial views and label me a terrorist.  With the best case scenario being that after 6 months, I am declared innocent with my carrer destroyed and my future prospects destroyed as well.  That's a load of garbage. 


In Canada, you are guilty until proven innocent.  


That guy deserves to get "Sellout" spray-painted on his house.  He is not a "hero", he's a parasite.



They should have thought of their careers before joining the group which were trying to commit terrorist acts.

were they delceared innocent?


-------------


Posted By: Megatron
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 11:49am

Why have they been held without any formal charges being laid against them?  Two of them have been released under house arrest again with no formal charges.  Just speculation in the media and have not had access to lawyers 

In Canada because of terrorism laws, a person can be held for 6 months without any charges being laid against them, without access to lawyers or family!! Does that sound right to you? 

Can't I live in a country where my freedoms aren't trampled on and also be protected by subway bombings?  This witchhunting of people in the Muslim community will just isolate the Muslim community and create more radical ideas.   

Besides, terrorism has a root cause.  Maybe people need to question Canada's military operations in Afghanistan.  I'm not saying bombing a subway is a way to protest this operation, but lets look at the problem as a whole.

Also, talk is talk.  I've heard people say awful things but not mean them.  I heard some Native guy just today saying he hated "white men" and he's going to "kill them all".  Maybe he should be arrested on terrorism charges.  This policy is just rubbish.  I used to live in a small town and heard skin heads say things which can easily be contrued as terrorist ideas and actions.  None of them were ever questioned by CSIS.  They were allowed to walk free.   

These policies are just an attempt for the Conservative government to cozy up to Bush and his failures.  Conservative governments have always been the U.S.'s lapdog. 

Just like that informant mentioned in  the article.  Nothing but a lapdog sellout.



Posted By: Patty
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 12:40pm

Originally posted by Megatron

Informants are the lowest form of life.  They are like prison snitches.  I live in Canada and if I ever see that guy, I'll promise to spit on him.  What a sellout. 

OH, REALLY?  So you don't like "prison snitches" huh? Well, my Dad was a federal corrections officer his whole adult life...we grew up on the prison reservation, and I went to work in the prison as a stenographer.  I can tell you this much, there have been MANY "prison snitches" who have saved the life of many a young male Muslim behind those walls.  If these so-called prison snitches didn't warn the officers of an impending "hit" on certain Muslim inmates, many would be dead! 

Megatron, my friend, you need to know all the facts in some cases.

Much peace to you!



-------------
Patty

I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future.


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by Megatron

Why have they been held without any formal charges being laid against them?  Two of them have been released under house arrest again with no formal charges.  Just speculation in the media and have not had access to lawyers 

In Canada because of terrorism laws, a person can be held for 6 months without any charges being laid against them, without access to lawyers or family!! Does that sound right to you? 

Can't I live in a country where my freedoms aren't trampled on and also be protected by subway bombings?  This witchhunting of people in the Muslim community will just isolate the Muslim community and create more radical ideas.   

Besides, terrorism has a root cause.  Maybe people need to question Canada's military operations in Afghanistan.  I'm not saying bombing a subway is a way to protest this operation, but lets look at the problem as a whole.

Also, talk is talk.  I've heard people say awful things but not mean them.  I heard some Native guy just today saying he hated "white men" and he's going to "kill them all".  Maybe he should be arrested on terrorism charges.  This policy is just rubbish.  I used to live in a small town and heard skin heads say things which can easily be contrued as terrorist ideas and actions.  None of them were ever questioned by CSIS.  They were allowed to walk free.   

These policies are just an attempt for the Conservative government to cozy up to Bush and his failures.  Conservative governments have always been the U.S.'s lapdog. 

Just like that informant mentioned in  the article.  Nothing but a lapdog sellout.

Bismillah,

I appreciate that you brought out some points others have overlooked.  I bolded those ideas.

The first thing I thought of when I read this was:  Did he lead them into bad actions himself?  Did he encourage or incite bad behavior instead of caution the brothers to follow the right guidance in our Holy Quraan, which is to defend ourselves and not to seek out aggression?  Were these brothers misled by someone they trusted into dark spaces of their minds and hearts?

We could use more information, and here's a thought:  how about the other brothers' side of the story?

Peace



-------------
Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 16 July 2006 at 4:23pm

Assalamu Alaikum,

As a Muslim, it is our duty to report something that may cause damage to society to such an extent. In fact, it is Qur’an’s instruction that Muslims are instructed to "enjoin the good, and forbid the evil."

At the same time, those arrested should be presumed innocent until proven guilty by court of law.

The sad part in this scenario is not Shaikh who reported this. The sad part is the stand of the media that passed the judgement right away on those charged. The sad part was the stand of the media when entire Muslim community was made to feel that it was guilty by association. But, that has now become a global pattern.

That sort of generalization doesn’t do any good. It only causes negative effects.

Only our sincere return to Qur’an and Sunnah can bring us back the lost glory. Only that sincere realization to lead the humanity from darkness to light, peace and prosperity can earn rewards from Allah ( SWT ). True that it would take time. Changes don’t happen right away. They take time. Perhaps Ummah is already going through that gradual transformation. If not, that change should start NOW.

Peace



-------------
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: lovetabuleh
Date Posted: 18 July 2006 at 7:24pm

Exerpt from the article:

"Defence lawyers for the 17 accused say the government's case has many flaws and questions are already being raised about the role of informers. 

'It's going to depend on the disclosure and what role the operative played,' defence lawyer and legal activist Paul Copeland told the Toronto Star. "

This short little excerpt taken from the end of the article tells a whole different story about this "devout muslim". 

 

I'd back megatron and candid's arguments

 

nuf said. 

 



Posted By: Megatron
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 12:25am
Despite what everyone says, in your heart of hearts, you know that guy is a traitor to Muslims everywhere.  I still stand by my statement that if I were to meet him, I'd spit at him, maybe in the face if I could. 

Maybe you guys appreciate being spied on but I don't.  Maybe it's me but I like to live amongst a community of Muslims that is on my side and not the governments.  The same government that sides with Israel in this crisis in the Middle East.  The same government that is engaging in a oppressive campaign in Afghanistan.  I dunno, but that's just me.


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 1:28am

Bismillah

Assalaamu'alaikum Megatron.

Nobody appreciates being spied on, everyone however should be aware of The Creator who is watchful of all our deeds and intentions. Every act is judged according to person's intention. If the person described above was seeking the pleasure of Allah after consulting the Quran and the Sunnah he will receive His reward.

We are prohibited from spying on fellow Muslims when it concerns their personal affairs, however we are instructed to correct them if their wrongdoing is threatening the well-being of the community and especially innocent people. For all you know, people he saved will grow to grasp the true meaning of Islam though his action and struggle to establish obedience to The Most High. 

Narrated Anas:

Allah's Apostle said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others." (Sahih Bukhari, V.3, Book 43, No. 624) 

 

Those who have uncontrolled urge to fight and explode things should choose fair circumstanes with appropriate ways and places... and there are plenty in today's world. 

Having wrote that, please remain an exemplary Muslim and dont spit at anyone... whatever circumstances.  May Allah bless us all.



-------------
MOCKBA


Posted By: lovetabuleh
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 8:06am

from the message in that last bit of the article i'd be skepticle whether or not in reality those muslims were 'opressors'.

but even if they were, don't you know mockba the hadith: 

" Ibn 'Umar reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. He should not wrong him nor surrender him to his enemy. Allah will take care of the needs of anyone who takes care of the needs of his brother. On the Day of Rising Allah will dispel the anxiety of anyone who dispels the anxiety of another Muslim. On the Day of Rising Allah will veil anyone who veils another Muslim." [Agreed upon] (both bukhari and muslim)

I notice a lot of muslims are very gulable. what in one picture seems like a good deed is a back-stabber in incognito.

I was just watching the news getting updated on any recent attacks on lebanon by israeli malittia and at the bottom of the screan read more news: Hizbollah found 15 informants (or spies) sending information from lebanon to israel.

 

ALLAHU AKBAR ON ALL INFORMANTS!!



Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 10:18am

Bismillah

Assalamu'alaikum Amalhayati,

Thank you for sharing the hadith. Without going into conveniently interpreting it, I would invite you to look at the context of the circumstances. If they were oppressors there is no way of covering them but bringing them to justice.

When a pious Muslim of Islamic University known for his piety by he community he lives in is surrendered by the predominantly Muslim Malaysian government to the US on unsubstantial grounds of being suspected of terrorism by the latter, it can be considered as not appropriate and the above hadith may apply.

When a couple of misguided youth plan to inflict pain or cause death to innocent people in a country with a multicultural community it is our duty as Muslims to stop them from doing so even if it may take us to call the authorities. It is no backstabbing. In fact, in the case described, those who were planning the attack in Canada were intending to commit even worse crime towards their own brother Muslims around the world than backstabbing.

Spying and serving as informant for the enemy in the context of war is obviously a treason and is a different subject altogether. Just like spying on your fellow brother in his personal affairs and later spreading the gossip about his shortcomings that would otherwise have been hidden is haraam. Hence Allah's promise to veil anyone who veils another Muslim... and we all have our own things to worry about.

I, too, noticed that many Muslims display Quranic ayats and ahadeeth without taking additional time to study them in a holistic approach instead of snatching them out of their proper context and meaning.

And Allah knows best.



-------------
MOCKBA


Posted By: lovetabuleh
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 12:20pm

"When a couple of misguided youth plan to inflict pain or cause death to innocent people in a country with a multicultural community it is our duty as Muslims to stop them from doing so even if it may take us to call the authorities. It is no backstabbing. In fact, in the case described, those who were planning the attack in Canada were intending to commit even worse crime towards their own brother Muslims around the world than backstabbing."

 

this is the foggy topic: whether or not in reality there was a threat and if there was, I bet they were they paid to do it by some secret federal authority as was the case i beleive in Sept 11th.  a lot of evidence points to that.  just watch 9-11 in Plane Sight, or Fairenhight 9-11 or other informative documentaries or articles linking governmental intervention to the happenings.

If you as a muslim want to stop your brother who is opressing, there are other ways of bringing him to justice other than to turn him in to a critical government that you know has malice over muslims in the first place, and they're waiting for the moment an arab makes an odd move (note i say odd move , not threatining move) they'll pounce on him like a lion on it's prey! accusing them of anything and everything outlandish- why? bcz they're arabs and are 'mad at what's going on back home'. yeah uh huh, sure. 

HA! this guy's chest is stuffed with pride claiming 'I brought the quote-unquote terrorists to justice!'. if anything he should have brought them to a sheikh who can knock some sense into their mindes- or to their mother who could give them a spankin'! 

but he didn't- he brought his fellow brotheren to the hands of 'the enemy' in this case. in the article it says that there are flaws and questions are arising about these informants.

the truth is clear.  the messge of this haidth applies 100% to this situation.



Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 19 July 2006 at 5:55pm

Bismillah

May Allah guide us all!



-------------
MOCKBA


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 20 July 2006 at 10:42am

Bismillah,

You said:  HA! this guy's chest is stuffed with pride claiming 'I brought the quote-unquote terrorists to justice!'. if anything he should have brought them to a sheikh who can knock some sense into their mindes- or to their mother who could give them a spankin'! 

I agree with this being a mom and all.  Muslims should advise each other, especially in real life situations, with advice that is helpful. I'd like to hear everyone's account of what took place though.

Salaamu Alaykum



-------------
Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.



Print Page | Close Window