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East Timor - Religion or Greed?

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Topic: East Timor - Religion or Greed?
Posted By: Rehmat
Subject: East Timor - Religion or Greed?
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 12:22pm

Indonesia is the most populated (212 million) and predominantly (87%) Muslim country. East Timor was one of 13,000 islands, which makes Indonesia.

According to former US ambassador to Indonesia, Edward Masters, Indonesia did more in 35 years to develop barren, infertile East Timor than Portugal did in four centuries.

Indonesia allocated development funds to East Timor at a rate six times the national average. In 1975, less than 10% of Timorese were literate, there were only 50 schools, and no colleges. By 1994 East Timor had 600 elementary schools, 90 middle schools and three colleges. Under the Portuguese East Timor had only two hospitals and 14 health clinics. By 1994 there were 10 hospitals and nearly 200 village health centers. In 1975 it had 20 km hard surfaced roads, by 1994 there were 500 km. The number of Catholic Churches in predominantly Catholic East Timor quadrupled under Indonesian rule

But Christian separatist rebels Fretilin supported by world churches played Muslim-Christian religious card and continued to resist Indonesian rule, and offshore oil discoveries made matters worse.

"Australian oil technicians say that the Timor seabed could yield some of the world's most productive oil fields," reported the Multinational Monitor. A treaty was signed in 1989 by Australia and Indonesia. Australia needs this oil, and since its separation from Jakarta, massive revenues have been reported flowing from East Timor to Australia with no relief for ordinary citizen.



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Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 5:10pm

Rehmat (or anybody),

Do you have the source, my friend want to write a serious article about it. If so plaease let me know.



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Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 7:56pm
Originally posted by semar

Rehmat (or anybody),

Do you have the source, my friend want to write a serious article about it. If so plaease let me know.

My article is not 'copy & paste' from one source - but your friend can get much more information - he/she doesn't mind believing in Muslim viewpoint.

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=5446873&pageid=r&mode=ALL&query=east+timor - http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=5446873&pageid=r &mode=ALL&query=east+timor



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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 7:59pm

 

Greed At Core Of Indonesia's Timor Problem

by Enver Masud

http://www.twf.org/News/Y1999/0922-Greed.html - http://www.twf.org/News/Y1999/0922-Greed.html



Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 12 April 2005 at 7:36pm

We don't _need_ their oil - they (the East Timorese) do!

Our government is trying to steal most of the gas reserves from the Timorese and it's an absolute disgrace.

Kim...

From Australia, but at least I can hold me head up and say I didn't vote for the theives running this country.

 



Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 6:25am
Originally posted by kim!

We don't _need_ their oil - they (the East Timorese) do!

Our government is trying to steal most of the gas reserves from the Timorese and it's an absolute disgrace.

Kim...

From Australia, but at least I can hold me head up and say I didn't vote for the theives running this country.

Well like ordinary American - you may not need Timorese oil but the rich Australian vultures do need it - just as 80% of Indonesian oil output is still leased to US multinational corporations. 

And how they blamed Indonesian Muslims for terrorism in Bali and Australian Embassy bombing?

http://www.vialls.com/myahudi/embassynuke.html - http://www.vialls.com/myahudi/embassynuke.html

Internet is a great tool to find the truth behind western propaganda.



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Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 10:13pm

http://www.vialls.com/myahudi/embassynuke.html - http://www.vialls.com/myahudi/embassynuke.html

 

What the...????????????

 

This is insane. Muslim extremists in Indonesia don't like Australia. We don't have problems with other Muslims. Not even those in Indonesia. We know they are fair and reasonable like anyone else. Some people hate us because we (eventually) helped liberate the East Timorese. Everyone knows that. but let's face it - we helped the East Timorese get into trouble in the first place and did nothing about it for a very long time.

Bimey, next you'll be trying to tell me it was Israel who paid and organised the Saudis for 11/9.

Kim...



Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 10:22pm

Zionists caused tsunami!

http://www.vialls.com/cia/oss_earthquakes.html - http://www.vialls.com/cia/oss_earthquakes.html

Yeah, right...

Kim...

 

 



Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:31pm

By the way, did you notice the name of the guy making up these theories? Joe Viall. Like: jovial = laughing, happy joking.

I think it might just be a bit of a joke.

Kim...



Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 14 April 2005 at 4:22am
Originally posted by kim!

By the way, did you notice the name of the guy making up these theories? Joe Viall. Like: jovial = laughing, happy joking.

I think it might just be a bit of a joke.

Kim...

NO. What I notice from your three responses is that instead having a rational discussion - you're blurting ADL propaganda lies. Next time you're going to tell me that both former US Congressman Findley, Dr. Flenkinstein and David Duke are all insane, becauses they all deny the 'Holocaust myth' and also have been criticising Zionists as the 'fifth column' with the US.

Yes, Mossad was behind 9/11; Spainish bombing; bombing in Kenya; bombing in Saudi Arabia and the 'beheading of its own agent Nick Berg.

In case I forgot to mention before - Australia is a Zionist Controlled Government (ZOG) - but I will never expect a Zionist to believe it - especially, if he/she had never been to Australia.

'Ho ma' (how're you, in Chinese)!



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Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 14 April 2005 at 5:58pm

"Next time you're going to tell me that both former US Congressman Findley, Dr. Flenkinstein and David Duke are all insane, becauses they all deny the 'Holocaust myth' and also have been criticising Zionists as the 'fifth column' with the US."

 

They ARE insane. And so is anyone else who denies the holocaust.

If the holocaust was a myth, then there are THOUSANDS of people here in Melbourne who have been great actors and actresses for 60 years. I hope they are getting paid well for the charade.

In light of people like Mordechai Vanunu - an Israeli who never stops speaking out - don't you think there might have been at least _1_ Jewish person who would have spoken out over the years if the Holocaust had been a myth and everyone was pretending?!

But that's ok - you won't believe me anyway. Never mind - I'll just pretend the Chechens are throwing girly tantrums and they're actually all living lives of luxury and acting lessons, shall I?

Kim...



Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 14 April 2005 at 6:11pm

And by the way - if all the Poor Woe-begotten Muslims in the world stoped pointing the finger at other groups, nations, religions, whoever, they might actually realise that their ACTUAL problems stem from weak, corrupt leadership (thus ALLOWING the other groups to either overrun the lives of Muslims, or at least , _appear_ to do such), then they might grow some sense and take back control of their own countries and religion and realise that we are NOT all against them and that we are actually able and willing to help.

You probably think democracy is a bad idea. But you're wrong. Don't look to US democracy as an example, though. It isn't real democracy whatever they might tell us.

And don't get sucked into all that "Zionist" rubbish. It makes you look like a rabid, loony fundamentalist who doesn't actually want to do any of the thinking yourself - you are being fed propaganda just like all those people you love to hate. Sure - get angry, but get angry at the people who allowed to trouble into Muslims' lives in the first place - weak, greedy leaders. This whole "Zionist" thing is just another way to manipulate a lot of people in order to channel their anger and hate in the wrong direction.

Who is to say that the Evil Zionist Theory isn't a plan by Muslims to make sure that Common Muslims on the Street don't notice what their leaders are getting up to? Kinda like the Chinese government letting their people have a little extra money to buy nice "toys" so that the people are more content and don't watch their government so much. Anyone even _remember_ the Tianenmen Square massacre? We all seem to have forgotten - pandering to the Chinese government like they are Nice Guys who Love Their People.   Yeah, RIGHT... 

Kim...



Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 4:00am

Originally posted by kim!

..They ARE insane. And so is anyone else who denies the holocaust.

Don't forget Dr. Norman Flenkenstein's parents ARE Holocaust survivors. According to her mother - Every nation has its Holocaust - Korean had it, Vietnamese had it, American and Australian Natives had it, and now the Palestinians are having theirs.

Yes the 'Six Million Died' is a proven HOAX to cash-on billions of $$$$$ for Zionist Israel. According to Dr. Flenkenstein: Every second Jew in Israel pretends to be a 'Holocaust survivor' he though he has never been outside Israel



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Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 6:55am
Riiiiight. Israel is 57 years old. WWII ended 60 years ago. Are you trying to tell me that people younger than 60 are trying to claim they are holocaust survivors?

And I'm not denying that other countries have suffered similar catastrophes. How about Cambodia or any number of African countries?

Kim...


Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 11:08am

Originally posted by kim!

Riiiiight. Israel is 57 years old. WWII ended 60 years ago. Are you trying to tell me that people younger than 60 are trying to claim they are holocaust survivors?


Iz not what I wrote?

Well don't take my word - Read 'The Holocaust Industry' - The writer is not only a Jew but a PhD too! I mean professor Norman Flenkenstein.



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Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 9:24pm

Ok, so were the concentration camps faked too?

What about all the footage of the prisoners? Ethiopeans painted white? Or did they just force thousands of people to become anorexic?

How about all the Second World War? Did that really happen, or was it just a good money-making machine for the winners? Did London bomb itself? Are all the films of Nazi propagada, including that of thousands of marching soldiers and Hitler's speeches faked?

Was Hitler just a misunderstood boyscout? Poor Hitler - we've judged him so badly. Maybe facism _is_ the way to go. no more religion! We would never have to argue again! Oh hang on - we would never be ALLOWED to argue again! _Especially_ if you come from a very religious community. You would be seen as a threat and taken away for "re-education". Or maybe you would just be shot. But wait! That's Communism, isn't it? I dunno - I get all those loony ideologies confused. Loonies all look and smell the same to me.

Wow - you should think yourself lucky that your biggest supposed problems come from another religious group and that you live in a democracy - at least you have some idea _how_ to argue with them and you live in a place where you are ALLOWED to argue. Imagine if those boyscouts (the Nazis) had managed to win the Imaginary Second World War and had gone on to Virtually kill more and more imaginary people...Gosh! This entire conversation would only be imaginary, because neither you not I would be allowed! In fact, civilisation probably would have ground to a complete halt and we wouldn't even have computers, or even reliable electricity.

Kim...

Hey! Maybe _I_ am part of some evil Zionist plot! Maybe they have put a chip in my brain. I mean, I'm _perfect_ fodder for it - I even have a Jewish surname, even though I'm not Jewish. Wow. They are SO clever and SO widespread. Maybe I should admire those Zionist guys. I mean - they've been doing this for DECADES now - they must be really hard-working and amazingly organised. We should pay these guys respect...assuming they EXIST. 

 

 



Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 18 April 2005 at 3:50am

Originally posted by kim!

Ok, so were the concentration camps faked too?

Most of those were 'Labour Camps' and not 'concentration camps' - And all the 'prisoners' were NOT Jewish, but Catholics and Gypsies too.

What about all the footage of the prisoners?.....

Not much different than attacks on WTC and Pentagon - or Arab cheering from a 10-year-old picture!



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