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Topic: The Qur’an and Science
Posted By: ummziba
Subject: The Qur’an and Science
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 12:25pm

Though the Qur'an is not a scientific book it does contain many scientific facts, many of which have only been realized in the last few hundred years.  Perhaps as time moves forward and humans learn more about this incredible universe, even more facts of science will be realized in the Qur'an.

I do not pretend to understand why Allah placed these in His beautiful book, but I would venture a guess that they are there to help people believe that it is indeed a book that could only have come from Him.

One of my favorite examples (because I had just heard it recently on a science program on T.V. when I read it in the Qur'an) is about mountains acting as "pegs" on the earth.

an-naba' 78:6-7 -"Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs?"

al-anbiya' 21:31 - "And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive guidance."

The scientific fact is that the earth's crust is very thin and the folding of the crust into mountains does indeed help stabilize the earth, like pegs!  This would not have been known in the time Muhammad (pbuh) was receiving the revelation.

This and other scientific facts in the Qur'an are indeed signs for those who use their reason!

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~



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Posted By: Alwardah
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 12:30pm

As Salamu Alaikum 

 

 

Insha Allah I will repost some of my favorite Ayat on science here

 

"Yes we are able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers."

Surah Al-Qiyamah 75:4

 

Isn't this a recent discovery that we all have different and unique fingerprints.

 

 

In the Holy Surah Al-Anbiya' 21: 30 Allah states:

"Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then I split them apart".

 

According to scientist this Ayah refers to the "Big Bang" theory.

 


Surah Luqman 31:29 Allah says "Have you not seen how Allah merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night."

 

The use of the word "merges" emphasizes a slow gradual change, and
this is not possible if the earth is flat.

 

Man thought that the Earth was flat, until Sir Frances Drake in 1607 finally proved it to be spherical.

 



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“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)


Posted By: unity1
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 4:20am
Originally posted by ummziba

<FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>Though the Qur'an is not a scientific book it does contain many scientific facts, many of which have only been realized in the last few hundred years.  Perhaps as time moves forward and humans learn more about this incredible universe, even more facts of science will be realized in the Qur'an.


<FONT face=Arial size=2>I do not pretend to understand why Allah placed these in His beautiful book, but I would venture a guess that they are there to help people believe that it is indeed a book that could only have come from Him.


<FONT face=Arial size=2>One of my favorite examples (because I had just heard it recently on a science program on T.V. when I read it in the Qur'an) is about mountains acting as "pegs" on the earth.


<FONT face=Arial size=2>an-naba' 78:6-7 -"Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs?"


<FONT face=Arial size=2>al-anbiya' 21:31 - "And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive guidance."


<FONT face=Arial size=2>The scientific fact is that the earth's crust is very thin and the folding of the crust into mountains does indeed help stabilize the earth, like pegs!  This would not have been known in the time Muhammad (pbuh) was receiving the revelation.


<FONT face=Arial size=2>This and other scientific facts in the Qur'an are indeed signs for those who use their reason!


<FONT face=Arial size=2>Peace, ummziba.



Asalam Aalaikum

Well,I have a different approach on this subject due to the fact that many Scientists donot agree with the claim that Qur'an contains recently discovered Scientific Facts.

As far as the Qur'anic verse regarding the mountains is concerned, their are Scientists who donot agree with the view of these verses because according to their knowledge and understanding mountains cause earth quakes to take place and doesnot prevent the earth from shaking.

Even If we accept that these verses of the Qur'an are refering to the recently discovered Scientific Facts which were unknown 1400 years ago, then how did the people of that period understood these verses and we know that during that period ,their was no Modern Science and Technology?

Regards,

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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 9:40am

In answer to Unity 1, 

After the 26 December 2004 tsunami, I saw a scientist explaining on television that, in fact, earthquakes are absolutely necessary.  They release the energy produced by plate tectonics, other wise the earth's very thin crust would crumble to pieces and be overwhelmed by the magma it sits on.  And he did say the mountains of the earth act as a stabilizer for this thin crust we live on.  The energy must be released, therefore, there must be earthquakes, but the mountains stabilize the earth's crust

I don't remember the exact scientific terminology or the entire explaination, I just remember being struck with awe at the fact that Allah planned everything for every eventuality! 

As far as disputing scientific facts, that is not an unusal human reaction.  Scientists are in dispute about many things!

As far as understanding the Qur'an 1400 years ago (or for that matter, 1400 years from now), I don't believe we will ever entirely and completely understand Allah's beautiful book.  It is full of so many layers upon layers of meaning.  As long as something does not contradict what is written in the Qur'an (can you state a scientific fact that the Qur'an disagrees with?), then what is the problem?

Perhaps it is more a matter of faith than of science?  I am not a scholar of either, this is all just my humble opinion, based on what I have read, heard, seen.  I will always take the word of Allah over the word of any mere mortal!

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: unity1
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 2:22pm
Asalam Aalaikum

Umzibba

I hope our discussion continous in this fruitful manner. Iam not against the claim that Qur'an contains scientific facts, Iam actually neutral on this point.

Qur'an is a holy book of guidance for the entire mankind, it is not a book of science that we all know.
Some Muslim Scholars like Dr.Zakir Naik, claim that

"Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind"

I don't think their is anything wrong with the first part of this statement but the last phrase of this sentence " religion without science is blind" really disappoints me . It means that if we are talking about Islam, then it means that Islam depends on Science and without it we cannot recieve guidance from Islam.
I don't understand how can something which is blind guide others?
I would like to ask all those muslims and scholars who believe that "religion without science is blind" that how did Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) convince people of his time about the truth from Islam?

Regards,



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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 2:14pm

Unity 1,

I don't for a minute pretend to know what exactly Dr. Zakir Naik means in his statement.  Myself, I would think that the second part, the part you have a problem with, might mean that blind faith is not a good thing.  

In other words, we shouldn't believe or follow our religion just by blind faith, we should use our reason and knowledge and thinking brain to challenge and thereby afirm our beliefs.  Science is one of the ways to do that.  Does Allah not challenge us to think and use our reason many times in the Qur'an?

As for the early followers of the prophet (pbuh), I think that his perfect example is what convinced them about Islam, more so than any proofs from the Qur'an.  Even without looking at anything "scientific", there is still lots in the Qur'an to convince people that Islam is the way to worship Allah.  This is all, of course, only my opinion!

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 2:16pm

Oh, and sorry it took so long to get back on this.  Sometimes I forget where I have posted until I happen upon it again!  Sorry about that.

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 14 April 2005 at 12:14pm

Found this today on the net.  Thought it quite appropriate to this topic!

"And verily, the exterior of the Qur'an is elegant and its esoteric (meaning) is deep.  Its wonders cannot be enumerated, and its marvels will not cease; and the darkness cannot be removed except by it."  (Imam 'Ali ibn Abi-Talib)

Layers and layers of meaning, the full of which is known only to Allah and the Prophet!  What a gift of endless discovery for us all!

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: unity1
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 12:22am
Originally posted by ummziba

<FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>In answer to Unity 1, 


<FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>After the 26 December 2004 tsunami, I saw a scientist explaining on television that, in fact, earthquakes are absolutely necessary. They release the energy produced by plate tectonics, other wise the earth's very thin crust would crumble to pieces and be overwhelmed by the magma it sits on.And he did say the mountains of the earth act as a stabilizer for this thin crust we live on.  The energy must be released, therefore, there must be earthquakes, but the mountains stabilize the earth's crust


<FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't remember the exact scientific terminology or the entire explaination, I just remember being struck with awe at the fact that Allah planned everything for every eventuality! 


<FONT face=Arial size=2>As far as disputing scientific facts, that is not an unusal human reaction.  Scientists are in dispute about many things!


<FONT face=Arial size=2>As far as understanding the Qur'an 1400 years ago (or for that matter, 1400 years from now), I don't believe we will ever entirely and completely understand Allah's beautiful book.It is full of so many layers upon layers of meaning.  As long as something does not contradict what is written in the Qur'an (can you state a scientific fact that the Qur'an disagrees with?), then what is the problem?


<FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps it is more a matter of faith than of science?  I am not a scholar of either, this is all just my humble opinion, based on what I have read, heard, seen.  I will always take the word of Allah over the word of any mere mortal!


<FONT face=Arial size=2>Peace, ummziba.



Ummziba


Thank you for providing us such a useful information ,may Allah(swt) bless you with all his blessings. Actually their are matalic plates under the earth surface which move by current generated from the earths core situated at the centre of the earth, when these plates collide with each other, they release energy and causes disturbance and vibration in other plates and causes earth quake to take place.

This is my opinion on how earth quakes are caused ,I don't remember much about it , I read about it 4 or 5 years ago.Inshallah after doing some research on this subject, I will explain about it in detail.

Regards,


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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.


Posted By: unity1
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 12:35am

Asalam Aalaikum

What this Qur'anic verse regarding mountains is actually refering to is that mountains donot let the earth from shaking, this shaking doesnot refer to earth quakes, this refers to the general shaking which can take place if mountains were not present on earth.
The earth would become disbalance.
It has been discovered recently that the foundation(under the earths surface) of the mountain is equal in density to the upper portion of the mountain (above the earth surface) inorder to to keep the earth in balance.

Regards,



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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.


Posted By: Alwardah
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 5:07am

As Salamu Alaikum

Interesting topic.

I agree with Ummziba that the Glorious Qur'an is not a scientific book and why Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala chose to include these facts in His Book is anyone's guess.

The same applies to many aspects of the Glorious Qur'an. Take for instance the case with Parables in the Qur'an. Why did Allah include parables in His Book. As sister ummziba  "Quote: we shouldn't believe or follow our religion just by blind faith, we should use our reason and knowledge and thinking brain to challenge and thereby afirm our beliefs" Unquote

Allah states in the Qur'an : And these similitudes We put forward for mankind; but none will understand them except those who have knowledge (of Allah and His Signs)” [al-‘Ankabut 29:43]

The Qur'an is a miracle of all miracles that will last to the Day of Judgment. The miracles of the other Prophets like Musa and Isa (Alayhuma Salam) were time related to their period of Prophethood.

Having studied and examined the Arabic text of the Qur'an, Dr. Bucaille marvels:

 

I could not find a single error in the Qur'an. I had to stop and ask myself: if a man were the author of the Qur'an, how could he (referring here to Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam) have written facts in the Seventh century AC. that today are shown to be in keeping with modern scientific knowledge? I had to acknowledge the evidence in front of me: the Qur'an did not contain a single statement that was assailable from a modern scientific point of view. I repeated the same test for the Old Testament and the Gospels, always preserving the same objective outlook. In the former, I did not have to go even beyond the first book, Genesis, to find statements totally out of keeping with what modern science considers to be indisputable facts. (Macropaedia, Vol. 18, p. 1008, of the Encyclopedia Britannica)

 

Many scientists have reverted to Islam after studying the Qur'an. Most scientific theories of the past have been refuted by the scientists of today.

 

If today scientists are refuting that the mountains are not "pegs" that stabilize the earth's crust, tomorrow we will have scientist who will prove this claim made in the Glorious Qur'an. Insha Allah!

 

Salams

 

 



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“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)


Posted By: unity1
Date Posted: 22 April 2005 at 5:14am

Asalam Aalaikum

Ummziba

can you please provide the reference no of the following statement:

"And verily, the exterior of the Qur'an is elegant and its esoteric (meaning) is deep. Its wonders cannot be enumerated, and its marvels will not cease; and the darkness cannot be removed except by it." (Imam 'Ali ibn Abi-Talib)"


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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 22 April 2005 at 9:45am

So sorry, unity 1, I got that quote from the net somewhere (I cannot remember where, sorry).  If it comes to me, or I come across it again, I'll let you know.  I do love the quote though!

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: deist
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 3:34am
Greetings and peace,

we had similar discussions in the old board.
My opinion was and still is that there is nothing "scientific" in the quran that was just resently discovered and couldnt have been written at that time.

Actually its not even important because as said above ... the quran never made any claim to be a science book.
Peace
Deist



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