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Topic: Missing Salaat
Posted By: Farrah
Subject: Missing Salaat
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 3:01am

Assalaamualikum,

My sister lives out of town and she came in a few days ago for a visit.  Tomorrow she wants to spend the day with me having lunch and watching a movie.  Excitedly I said yes.  Now I realize that if I go with her I will be missing three Salaats (Zuhr, Asr and Magrib).  We have to get an early start to the day because she must be back by the evening because she is leaving to go back home this same night.  My sister is a non-muslim and I am a muslim revert of a few months (Alhamdulillah).  I know one of my most important duties as a muslim is to pray my five daily prayers.  I was just wondering if there is anything that you can do if you know you are going to miss your prayers.  (I ask Allah's forgiveness for my ignorance.)  Please, I ask that anyone who answers does not give me an opinion but if you can, gives an answer according to the quran and sunnah.  In my heart I know this is not a valid reason to miss salaat and I am prepared to explain the situation to my sister knowing she will probably be mad at me and not speak to me for a long time. 

~Salaam~

 




Replies:
Posted By: Henna
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 3:20am
Sister, there is no excuse to miss a salaat (except our own death!). There is nothing to do if we know that we are going to miss our salaat. We pray or we miss.

I know you don't want personal opinions but i will suggest one thing;
We can pray when we are outside. We can use the baby changing rooms to pray while we are in mall or in cinema.. You can carry a compass and praying rug. These will help you inshallah.



Posted By: Farrah
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 3:43am

Salaam, Thank You for your reply.  I was actually just reading something that says it is permissible for a woman to pray outside if there is no where else available to pray.  It says, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Allah is more deserving of one’s shame than people.”  However, I have decided I don't even want to put myself in a postion where there is a chance I will miss Salaat.  Sometimes there is not baby changing area, but just a regular public restroom.  I asked this questions because one sister told me she prayed in advance if she knew she was going to miss salaat.  I was very skeptical of this.  Anyway, I am still learning and I was told that any question I have about is Islam is not a stupid question because I want to further my knowledge about the practices of Islam.  I guess my sister will just have to understand!

I have another question in relation to your suggestion.  I work two different jobs and at one there is no where else to pray except for the locker room.  However, there is a stall in the locker room.  The stall is separated by walls, but the walls are not completely from ceiling to floor.  Outside the stall there is a sink, lockers and space to use if you need to change clothes.  I have not prayed in this area because I am unsure so I try to rush home, but sometimes I don't make it and miss Zuhr salaat.  Is it permissible to pray in such an area? 



Posted By: Henna
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 4:56am
Dear sister,
there is no advance pray. You are very right to become skeptical:)
One of the obligation of salah is the exact time. We should pray in the exact time. But of course, if we miss the salah we should pray it later. 

Actually i can't say anything about stall. Because i didn't understand exactly:) Is there any toilet in stall? (I think yes:))
As i know, we can't pray in toilets. But i am not sure about walls, maybe it's permissible in this condition.. I hope another sister or brother can answer this question.

And finally, i am very happy that you came to Islam:) Wellcome sister:)


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 6:56am

Bismillah,

When my family travels, we pray outside if it is not raining or bad weather.

If it is a busy public area where people might bother us, we pray in the car sitting down and make the motions of the salat as much as we can.

It is important to make salat where people will not go in front of you.  However, I have seen people in large rooms just put a chair in front of themselves so that no one is going directly in front of them because the chair is a small barrier. 

When we travel far distances, which is a perfectly fine thing to do, we are instructed to shorten and combine our prayers.  So we say Fajr normally.  Eth-thoher and 'Asr we say two ayats and continue after we say the Shahadah as if we were in the fourth raka, say our salaams; and then we say two more just the same for 'Asr. 

Maghrib is still three, but Aisha is two and made directly after the three of Maghrib. 

Maybe the sister meant she followed this method, which is not new, and many Muslims do this when they travel.

Congratulations on taking your Shahadah.  Post any questions you have here.  In Shah Allah, people will always help you.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Khadija1021
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 11:30am

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

 

Sister Farrah, below are the Islamically correct guidelines for prayer times for performing salat. 

 

Fajr is to be preformed between the time of the very beginning of dawn and sunrise.

 

Dhuhr is to be preformed between the time of the declining of the sun and time for Asr

 

Asr is to be performed between the time when the shadow of an object is equivalent to its height (Hanafi method is twice the length) until just before sunset (right before time for Maghrib).

 

Maghrib is to be preformed between the time right after sunset and the disappearance of the twilight (right before time for performing Isha).

 

Isha is to be performed between the times after the disappearance of the twilight until midnight.

 

Given these Islamically sound guidelines, you should be able to have time to have lunch and catch a movie with your sister.  If you can find a place to pray Dhuhr right before Asr and then make Asr right when it is permissible (which would be right afterward), you could then make Maghrib right before Isha time which would give you and your sister a good 8 hours together between the time you performed Afjar and need to make Dhuhr and then a good 3.5 hours after making Asr and time to make Maghrib.  I don’t know how far you live from where you would be having lunch and going to a movie; however, Inshallah you could inform you sister of how you will be making salat in order to be able to spend the maximum amount of time doing the things she wants to do with you and she would not mind if the two of you return to your home for you to perform Dhuhr and Asr before you head back out for a movie if you were unable to catch one before that time.  I don’t know what day she is coming, where you live or what movie you are considering so I can’t help with coordinating that part, but Inshallah it will all work out fine.

 

I will give you an example.  Here I can do Fajr at 6:28 a.m. and then do Dhuhr at 2:45 p.m. (this gives me enough time to complete Dhuhr before time for Asr) with Asr right after at 3:06 p.m.  That gives me 8 hours between Ajar and Dhuhr.  If I wait to do Maghrib right before time to do Isha, which would require me to pray Maghrib by 6:36 p.m., I would have another 3.5 hours between prayers.  I hope that makes sense to you.  I am using my on-line Islamic Finder for the times for praying today to do this calculation.  So, you will need to do the same to calculate the time you till have between prayers and to say your prayers within the permissible times.  If you don't have one you can download one free at the following link.

 

http://www.islamicFinder.org - www.islamicFinder.org

 

 

I know that some may say that one should not do this to make room for a movie; however, 1.) you would be praying within the times permissible for praying salat, and 2.) it is not the issue of seeing a movie but rather making time for family that is being considered, and according to Islam, keeping good family ties is important.  It is not good to make you sister anger over this issue when the times allowed for making salat allow for you to spend time with her and to leave her feeling happy about your family ties.

 

I am a relatively new Muslimah with non-Muslim family so I understand your situation.  Jazak Allah Khair for embracing Islam and welcome to IC.

 

ALLAH HAFIZ

Sister Khadija



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Say: 'My prayer and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds. (Qur'an, 6:162)


Posted By: Farrah
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 6:53pm

Jazakallah Sisters for all the thoughtful advice.  Sister Khadijah, you really broke it down for me which is wonderful.  Thanks!  I know salaat is not supposed to be and is not a burden on a muslims life.  It is nice to know we can make certain conditions regarding salaat without jepordizing ourselves and committing a sin.  May Allah's Blessings and Mercy be upon you all.

Barakullahu Feeki

 



Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 9:57pm

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum sister Farrah,

Welcome to this little e-community.

Masah allah you are making sincere efforts to remain steadfast on His deen, May you rewards for all you good intentions, your efforts and the deeds, insha allah, Ameen.

Alhamdulillah you have got your answers. Just as a suggestion I would say, if you fear missing your salaat while you are watching the movie, you may consider stepping out of the movie hall for 5-7 minutes to offer your salat, then join the party.

Where there is a will there is a way sister. I have prayed on a picnic spot, in Malls, behind our parked car, in a train, in an airplane. On a particular job I have also prayed on the landing of a staircase because this staircase was on the rear end of the building, thus very much less in use, while rest of the place used to be too busy.

May allah give us hidaya to offer our salaat with khushoo, and may He accept all our worshipful obedience, Ameen.

Maa salaama,

Nausheen



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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: Juma
Date Posted: 09 January 2009 at 3:29am
Assalamu alikom, everyone.  I am new here, and I reverted to Islam on 1st Ramadan last year, alhamdulillah.

With regard to salat...

I thought you could pray isha at any time up til Fajr.  Not true?  only until midnight?

And when do you pray the "late night" prayer?  If isha is only until midnight, then the "late night" is after that, I guess, eh?  (and this prayer any even number of rakah)

And Witr is different from the "late night" prayer, right?  I believe I read that Witr can be prayed any time after Isha and before Fajr, but better if in the last third of the night.  (...and Witr any odd number of rakah over 1)

...and with regard to a missed prayer....  If you perchance do miss one (not by plan, but by accident (ie forgetfulness, work, driving, etc), can it be "made up"?  ie, despite your intentions, you nonetheless miss Asr completely, and it is now the time period for maghrib.  Do you pray Asr and then Maghrib?  combine them? skip Asr?  or what?  

And what if in the same example you missed more than one?  At this time of year, Asr, Maghrib and Isha are all pretty close together.  I have on occasion gotten so wrapped up in my work that when I looked at the clock I still had 15 minutes to wait before Asr, and the next time I thought about it and looked at the clock it was already Isha!  What to do?

Thank you for setting me on the straight path!


Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 11:14am
Originally posted by Juma

Assalamu alikom, everyone.  I am new here, and I reverted to Islam on 1st Ramadan last year, alhamdulillah.
 
Subhanallah!!! Congratulatins Bro/Sis Juma!!! Welcome to the folds of Islam. . . Smile



I thought you could pray isha at any time up til Fajr.  Not true?  only until midnight?
 
Yes, you can pray Isha anytime up until Fajr. However better not to leave it till the very last second. Hadith also tells us that Prophet Muhammad would delay the Isha prayer a little, so that it would be his last act before sleep.


And when do you pray the "late night" prayer?  If isha is only until midnight, then the "late night" is after that, I guess, eh?  (and this prayer any even number of rakah)
 
I dont know what you mean by the 'late night' prayer. Do you mean 'Tahajjud' prayer? it is an unobligatory (nafl) prayer, that can be prayed anytime during the night, if one happens to wake up. Usually late at night.  It is different from Isha. It also can be prayed at anytime during the night. But the normal practise is, that it is reccommended if not obligatory to sleep before Tahajjud prayer. I hope I didnt confuse you. Let me know if I did! Smile I shall try and explain better Inshalah.

And Witr is different from the "late night" prayer, right?  I believe I read that Witr can be prayed any time after Isha and before Fajr, but better if in the last third of the night.  (...and Witr any odd number of rakah over 1)
Witr is different from Tahajjud prayer, if thats what you mean. Lets not call it the late night prayer, because technically, Witr, Tahajjud and Isha can all be 'late night prayers' if prayed late - yet they all 3 are different prayers Smile So it shall confuse us.
 
And yes, Witr can be prayed anytime after Isha and before Fajr. The common practise amongst many muslims (including myself) is to pray Witr immediately after Isha, so that we dont forget later and miss it.


..and with regard to a missed prayer....  If you perchance do miss one (not by plan, but by accident (ie forgetfulness, work, driving, etc), can it be "made up"?  ie, despite your intentions, you nonetheless miss Asr completely, and it is now the time period for maghrib.  Do you pray Asr and then Maghrib?  combine them? skip Asr?  or what?  
And what if in the same example you missed more than one?  At this time of year, Asr, Maghrib and Isha are all pretty close together.  I have on occasion gotten so wrapped up in my work that when I looked at the clock I still had 15 minutes to wait before Asr, and the next time I thought about it and looked at the clock it was already Isha!  What to do?


Making up a missed prayer is called 'Qaza' Salaat. You will not get the reward of praying the regular prayer on time, but atleast you shall not sin, and it will not be counted as a prayer you missed.
 
 It is neccessary to make up prayers later. Make-Up/Qaza prayers can be prayed at anytime, when you have the chance later, preferably the first chance you get. Excluding sunset and sunrise - those are times when we are not supposed to pray/prostrate, as told by hadith, so as to differentiate ourselves from the sun-worshippers of the time.
 
The way to do is to pray the Fard/Obligatory rakat only. We dont make-up sunnah/nifl rakat. . . only Fard rakat. E.g if I missed Zuhr and Asr, I shall only pray 4-rakat fard for Zuhr, thats all. After finishing Zuhr's make-up prayer - I can proceed to make-up any other prayer I missed, and so can pray 4-rakat Asr then. Thats all. SO if u miss multiple prayers, you simply pray them one after the other. 

I hope this helped. Like I said, let us know if u have anymore confusions, inshallah the members here will try to help.
 
 


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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by Chrysalis

........inshallah the members here will try to help.
THE PROPHET'S PRAYER DESCRIBED
(PEACE AND MERCY OF ALLAAH BE UPON HIM)
from beginning to end, as though you were watching it.
"Pray as you have seen me praying." (transmitted by al-Bukhaari)

Muhammad Naasir ad-Deen al-Albaani
Translated to English by Usama bin Suhaib Hasan

The above e-book is available for free download at the following URLs.

http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/toc.html

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/prayer/albaani/prayer_1.html

and the Print edition can be ordered at http://www.darussalam.com/product_info.php?products_id=819

The Prophet's Prayer Described

Excerpts from the introduction:

Praise be to Allaah, who made Prayer compulsory on his slaves and ordered them to establish it and perform it well; who linked success and felicity to humility in Prayer; who made it the criterion to distinguish between Eeman and Kufr; and who made it a restrainer from shameful and unjust deeds.

Prayers and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad, who was addressed in the Words of the Exalted:
"And We have sent down to you the Message, that you may explain clearly to the people what is sent for them"
and who fully carried out this task. The Prayer was one of the most important things which he explained to the people, verbally and practically, even praying on the pulpit once - standing, bowing and prostrating, and then saying to them, I have done this so that you may follow me and learn my prayer. He obligated us to copy him in his prayer, saying, Pray as you have seen me praying. He also gave the good tidings to whoever prayed like him that such a person has a covenant with Allaah that He will enter him into the Garden, saying, There are five prayers which Allaah, Mighty and Sublime, has made compulsory: he who performs ablution well for them, prays them at their proper times, and is complete in their bowings, prostrations and humility, he has a guarantee from Allaah that He will forgive him; but he who does not do so, has no guarantee from Allaah: if He wishes, He will forgive him or if He wishes, He will punish him.

Prayers and peace be also on his family and his pious and just Companions, who passed on to us his worship, prayer, sayings and actions (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and who made these, and these alone, a Madhhab and a path for them to follow ; and also on those who follow in their footsteps and tread their path until the Day of Judgment.

Excerpts from the ADDENDUM:

All that has been mentioned of the description of the Prophet's prayer (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) applies equally to men and women, for there is nothing in the Sunnah to necessitate the exception of women from any of these descriptions; in fact, the generality of his statement (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam),"Pray as you have seen me praying", includes women.

This is the view of Ibraaheem an-Nakh'i, who said,
"A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's" - transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/75/2), with a saheeh sanad from him.

Also, Bukhaari reported in at-Taareekh as-Sagheer (p. 95) with a saheeh sanad from Umm ad-Dardaa',
"that she used to sit in her prayer just as a man sits, and she was a woman of understanding."




Posted By: Juma
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 9:17pm
Thank you, Chrysalis and Abosait!  That is exactly what I needed.  (...and yes, I meant Tahajjud, lol)  I do not know all the Arabic names and expressions, and it can be quite confusing.

But now, of course, I have come up with a couple more nit picky questions...

What if you start a fard prayer during the right timeframe, but finish it during the next.  Is that rewarded as being in the right timeframe?  or must the prayer be completed during the correct timeframe?

This practice of wearing socks and completing wudu by patting the top of your sock-covered foot with a wet hand instead of actually washing the feet...  I have heard that is acceptable provided the socks have been worn continuously since the last wudu.  Is that correct?

Thank you very much for your help!  Assalamu alikom wa rahmatullah.


Posted By: Juma
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 9:27pm
Also, I note that Khadija, above, lists Isha as occurring from twilight to midnight.  I have been told this by multiple people, but have likewise been told more than once that it is from twilight to Fajr

Is there a definitive answer to this?  or does the practice merely differ regionally?  Inshallah, I suppose I should just make a point of praying Isha before midnight, and not worry about it!

Assalamu alikom.


Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 12:57am
Originally posted by Juma


What if you start a fard prayer during the right timeframe, but finish it during the next.  Is that rewarded as being in the right timeframe?  or must the prayer be completed during the correct timeframe?
 
You mean, we are for example praying Zuhr, but the time is almosy gone, and its nearly Asr? Well, if there is a genuine reason for the delay . . . Allah will deal with it accordingly, since He is Just and Fair. However, just keep this general rule in mind - late salaat may not be ideal, but it is better than no-salaat. . . so irregardless of the time passing - just pray it. However, one should not wait till the last second.
Also, since you are a new muslim, you may not have come across these ahadith, so let me mention anyway - since it is relevant to salaat. Hadith tells us that if we have to go to the toilet, we should not 'hold it' to pray - rather, we are asked to finish our business before praying salaat. Also, if one is very hungry, we are asked to eat something to satisfy ourselves before salaat - otherwise we cannot focus on Allah, and He was Merciful enough to give us this much flexibility.
 
 

This practice of wearing socks and completing wudu by patting the top of your sock-covered foot with a wet hand instead of actually washing the feet...  I have heard that is acceptable provided the socks have been worn continuously since the last wudu.  Is that correct?

 
This is a controversial one, since different scholars say different things. I believe a member here posted a fatwa on this some time ago . . . Perhaps you should search it up on the forum? 'socks wudhu fatwa'.
 
Also, even if it is allowed - like some say - it is not for normal-occasions, it is when people are travelling, or it is too cold to wash feet etc.
 
Inshallah, perhaps Abosait/or any other member could help you better.
 
Wa'alaikumsalaam.
 
 
 


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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."


Posted By: Saladin
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 3:21am
Salaam Alaikum,

Its allowed to wipe over the socks if one was with ablution when putting them on. This is allowed for 24 hours for the resident and for the traveller, 3 days and nights.

Ref: Sahih Muslim, vol.1, book 3, no.537, p.165.

".....The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) stipulated (the upper limit) of 3 days and 3 nights for a traveller and 1 day and 1 night for the resident".



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'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'


Posted By: Juma
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 6:13am
Thank you everyone for putting me on the straight path!  It is not my intent to "push the envelope" as it were, but inshallah to understand the proper methods and the consequences of not so proper methods...

Can one pray with eyes closed?  or must be open with eye glued to one spot?

Thank you for your continued indulgence of my naive questions!

Assalamu alikom wa rahmatullah.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 9:20am
Originally posted by Chrysalis

.........Also, even if it is allowed - like some say - it is not for normal-occasions, it is when people are travelling, or it is too cold to wash feet etc.
Inshallah, perhaps Abosait/or any other member could help you better..........
Assalamu 'alaikum.
Please read the fatwa on Conditions of wiping over socks at the following URL. http://islam-qa.com/en/cat/141/ref/islamqa/9640


Posted By: aka2x2
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 11:28am

Regarding the original post;

The Quran teaches us that if we are travelling we may pray salat while walking or riding. It also recommends that we pray full salat when we get to our destination.

 

Over the centuries there have been many debates over what exactly is meant by traveling. Personally, when the time of salat comes I pray wherever I am and to the best of my ability; be it standing in a bus, sitting in a car or walking, etc.



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Respectfully
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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 7:25am
Originally posted by Juma

Also, I note that Khadija, above, lists Isha as occurring from twilight to midnight.  I have been told this by multiple people, but have likewise been told more than once that it is from twilight to Fajr

Is there a definitive answer to this?  or does the practice merely differ regionally?  Inshallah, I suppose I should just make a point of praying Isha before midnight, and not worry about it!

Assalamu alikom.
Wa alaykum assalam wa Rahmatullah.
 
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