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Topic: who to hate: Jews or Zionists
Posted By: lorne
Subject: who to hate: Jews or Zionists
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 6:53am

Many claim that all jews are zionists but I will ask what are the characteristics of a zionist? What are the characteristics of a jew?

I personally do not think all jews are zionists and I do not think all zionists are jews.



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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 27 December 2005 at 6:03pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

If a muslim claims all jews are zionist they are not good muslims, jews are amongst the fiercest enemies of zionists. I my self have met a number of jews who i would consider to be good people. 

It is haram to hate jews as a people as allah honers them in the Quran, rasism in islam is haram.



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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 28 December 2005 at 3:21pm

Why should anyone ever hate el Kitaab? The Jews and the Muslims had some of the finest joint ventures in recent history: Andalus and Ottoman Turkey are just few examples.

The Brits needed to divide and rule Palestine. Their Special Services fomented the hatred that persists todate. Jews, Christians are absolutely beautiful people.

But shall we call Sharon a Jew?



Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 29 December 2005 at 10:54am
The Qur’an has specified a considerable deal of its verses to talking about Jews, their personal qualities and characteristics. The Qur’anic description of Jews is quite impartial; praising them in some occasions where they deserve praise and condemning them in other occasions where they practice blameworthy acts. Yet, the latter occasions outnumbered the former, due to their bad qualities and the heinous acts they used to commit.

The Qur’an praises them on the verse that reads: “ And verily We gave the Children of Israel the Scripture and the Command and the Prophethood, and provided them with good things and favored them above (all) peoples.” (Al-Jathiyah:16) i.e. the peoples of their time.

Among the bad qualities they were characterized with are the following:

1. They used to fabricate things and falsely ascribe them to Allah. Allah Almighty says: “ That is because they say: We have no duty to the Gentiles. They speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.” (Al-`Imran:75) Also: “The Jews say: Allah's hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will.” (Al-Ma`idah:64)

In another verse Almighty Allah says: “Verily Allah heard the saying of those who said, (when asked for contributions to the war): "Allah, forsooth, is poor, and we are rich! We shall record their saying with their slaying of the Prophets wrongfully and We shall say: Taste ye the punishment of burning!” (Al-`Imran:181)

2. They love to listen to lies. Concerning this Allah says: “and of the Jews: listeners for the sake of falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk” (Al-Ma’idah: 41)

3. Disobeying Almighty Allah and never observing His commands. Allah says: “And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts.” (Al-Ma’idah: 13)

4. Disputing and quarreling. This is clear in the verse that reads: “Their Prophet said unto them: Lo! Allah hath raised up Saul to be a king for you. They said: How can he have kingdom over us when we are more deserving of the kingdom than he is, since he hath not been given wealth enough?” (Al-Baqarah: 247)

5. Hiding the truth and standing for misleading. This can be understood from the verse that reads: “…distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture.” (Al-`Imran: 78)

6. Staging rebellion against the Prophets and rejecting their guidance. This is clear in the verse: “And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly.” (Al-Baqarah: 55)

7. Hypocrisy. In a verse, we read: “And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.” (Al-Baqarah: 14) In another verse, we read: “Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practice it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense?” (Al-Baqarah: 44)

8. Giving preference to their own interests over the rulings of religion and the dictates of truth. Allah says: “…when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?” (Al-Baqarah: 87)

9. Wishing evil for people and trying to mislead them. This is clear in the verse that reads: “Many of the People of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them.” (Al-Baqarah: 109)

10. They feel pain to see others in happiness and are gleeful when others are afflicted with a calamity. This is clear in the verse that reads: “If a lucky chance befall you, it is evil unto them, and if disaster strike you they rejoice thereat.” (Al-`Imran:120)

11. They are known of their arrogance and haughtiness. They claimed to be the sons and of Allah and His beloved ones. Allah tells us about this in the verse that reads: “The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones.” (Al-Ma’idah: 18)

12. Utilitarianism and opportunism are among their innate traits. This is clear in the verse that reads: “And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretences.” (An-Nisa’: 161)

13. Their impoliteness and indecent way of speech is beyond description. Referring to this, the Qur’anic verse reads: “Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey; hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.” (An-Nisa’:46)

14. It is easy for them to slay people and kill innocents. Nothing in the world is dear to their hearts than shedding blood and murdering human beings. They never give up this trait even with the Messengers and the Prophets. Allah says: “…and slew the prophets wrongfully.” (Al-Baqarah: 61)

15. They are merciless and heartless. In this meaning, the Qur’anic verse explains: “Then, even after that, your hearts were hardened and became as rocks, or worse than rocks, for hardness.” (Al-Baqarah: 74)

16. They never keep their promises or fulfill their words. Almighty Allah says: “Is it ever so that when ye make a covenant a party of you set it aside? The truth is, most of them believe not.” (Al-Baqarah: 100)

17. They rush hurriedly to sins and compete in transgression. Allah says: “They restrained not one another from the wickedness they did. Verily evil was that they used to do!” (Al-MA’idah:79)

18. Cowardice and their love for this worldly life are their undisputable traits. To this, the Qur’an refers when saying: “Ye are more awful as a fear in their bosoms than Allah. That is because they are a folk who understand not. They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified villages or from behind walls. Their adversity among themselves is very great. Ye think of them as a whole whereas their hearts are divers.” (Al-Hashr:13-14) Allah Almighty also says: “And thou wilt find them greediest of mankind for life and (greedier) than the idolaters.” (Al-Baqarah:96)

19. Miserliness runs deep in their hearts. Describing this, the Qur’an states: “Or have they even a share in the Sovereignty? Then in that case, they would not give mankind even the speck on a date stone.” (An-Nisa’:53)

20. Distorting Divine Revelation and Allah’s Sacred Books. Allah says in this regard: “Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands anthem say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.” (Al-Baqara: 79)


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 1:16pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Non of that is relavent to jews today the versus where talking about specific people or groups among the jews how can it be aplied to all jewish people among them are those who followed moses and where good people the house of Imran is one family.

Muslims are also rebuked in the Quran and sunnah is it taken to mean all muslims are like that or simply a lesson of how a person should not behave?

The Quran is nasiha not a book of who to hate so dont interprate it as such.


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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 3:37pm
Brother Rami, you are a breath of fresh air in a dense atmosphere, masha Allah. Thank you for teaching me something beautiful today.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 31 December 2005 at 6:32am

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till my followers copy the deeds of the previous nations and follow them very closely, span by span, and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch)."

"The Quran is nasiha not a book of who to hate so dont interprate it as such."  Agreed.  Let us take a lesson from it.



Posted By: ZubairH
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 4:53pm
I love Jewish people. In fact I share the same blood as them, for I am the same race as them!


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 5:19pm

Originally posted by rami

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

If a muslim claims all jews are zionist they are not good muslims, jews are amognst the fiersest enemies of zionists. I my self have met a number of jews who i would consider to be good people. 

It is haram to hate jews as a people as allah houners them in the Quran, rasism in islam is haram.

Salaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

Jazzak Allah Khayr, Brother Rami and Whisper!



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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 16 November 2006 at 4:15pm

Yes it's true, not all Jews are Zionists, and it's mainly the Zionists who oppose Islam and Muslims.

By the way, why is this topic posted in the "conspiracy theory" section???



Posted By: ejdavid
Date Posted: 17 November 2006 at 10:29am
Monkies and Pigs

Over and over I read posts from 'so called Muslims' that Jews are descended from monkies and pigs. Does anyone know why a Muslim might believe this?


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 10:16am

Over and over I read posts from 'so called Muslims' that Jews are descended from monkies and pigs. Does anyone know why a Muslim might believe this?

Really? Where do you read such poetry? They do that after looking at you or just by sampling your behaviour?

My experience is that whenever you post something folks just go past it holding their noses. Look, this one has been parked here since 17th Nov and no one seems to like its odour.



Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 10:39am
Originally posted by Whisper

Over and over I read posts from 'so called Muslims' that Jews are descended from monkies and pigs. Does anyone know why a Muslim might believe this?

Really? Where do you read such poetry? They do that after looking at you or just by sampling your behaviour?

My experience is that whenever you post something folks just go past it holding their noses. Look, this one has been parked here since 17th Nov and no one seems to like its odour.

Salaams

Hmmm never did believe in "slopping the hogs".

 I'm in an "ornery" mood, as an american would put it.

Yes brother Whisper, it does get rather smelly when certain folks come around. Would seem as if a good bath would be the order.

But then, some stink cannot be hid. Time to fumigate.



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Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 3:22pm

Sister Maryah,

Having once been categorized as sheep … or was it goat? … can't remember right now … anyway, it was one of the halal animals … by our “expert on Chilenian” (is that what one calls people from Chile?) terrorists, who unwittingly made the mistake of hiding in one of the most unsafe place on the planet - a mountain occupied by the aforementioned expert (aka ejdavid), where they, after setting up shop at an abandoned building in close proximity to the erstwhile lover-of-all-things-pork, proceeded to launch vicious attacks on the interior of automobiles … or was it just one car? … anyway … with the blessing of local scoundrels … or was it the police? … uhmmm … now I forgot what I was going to say … I think it had something to do with the loneliness of mountain dwellers … or was it about mountain dwellers and their close and often intimate relationships with pigs during cold and lonely winter months in snow covered one-room cabins? … no that wasn’t it … ah yes, now I remember (slapping my hand to my forehead) … Maryah, what does "slopping the hogs" mean?



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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 10 December 2006 at 5:33pm
Whisper asks,"But shall we call Sharon a Jew?"

Nope. We can safely call him a vegetable.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 12 January 2007 at 3:31pm
Nope. We can safely call him a vegetable.
Can we call him a Kosher vegetable?


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 12 January 2007 at 3:34pm

By the way, why is this topic posted in the "conspiracy theory" section???

Just for attracting conspirators of your ilk.



Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 12 January 2007 at 5:25pm

"Maryah, what does "slopping the hogs" mean?"

 

 

It means feeding the leftovers to the pigs, or swine. They are like garbage disposals, You throw the trash as them"! Sacque la basura!




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Posted By: sulooni
Date Posted: 14 March 2007 at 6:07am

we should just hate zionist..not necessarily jews.

and of course munafiqs...hypocrits...like so called muslim governments who are slaves to america and the zionist regime...

but i wont mention any names saudi...

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Posted By: pauline35
Date Posted: 14 March 2007 at 7:19am
My Prime Minister stood up high to President Bush, declining his offer to impose sanction on Iran for manufacturing nuclear power and weapon. As a muslim country, my ex-Prime Minister, Tun Dr. Mahathir sacked ex-deputy Prime Minister for colaborating with World Bank to push for IMF loan in to Malaysia.

Now I finally understand why he did that.


Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 20 March 2007 at 9:55am

Originally posted by pauline35

My Prime Minister stood up high to President Bush, declining his offer to impose sanction on Iran for manufacturing nuclear power and weapon. As a muslim country, my ex-Prime Minister, Tun Dr. Mahathir sacked ex-deputy Prime Minister for colaborating with World Bank to push for IMF loan in to Malaysia.

Now I finally understand why he did that.

Pauline, Your country stood strong during the 97 crash and crisis. I remember the steps taken then. The Chinese, the Malays and the Indians all stood together and came out of the crisis without a single dollar help from the IMF. Malaysia succeeded because it did not shake hands with the IMF. Indonesia did and look what happened?

I also remember when Mahathir appealed for fighting the crisis as Malaysians the Chinese and malay tycoons brought in billions of dollars within a few nights.

Malaysia boleh! and Malaysia did it.

Note: For those who do not know the Malay language, boleh means can.

BR

BMZ

 



Posted By: pauline35
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 5:27am
Brother BMZ, thank you for praising my country. Not only have I understood the steps taken were very islamic but also the most rational one.

Today's generation in Malaysia especially those coming from Kuala Lumpur, be aware because Malaysians tend to preserve harmonious atmospheric conditions wherever we go. If one foreigner mess with one Malaysian's Indian, he/she is messing with the whole Malaysians be it Chinese or Malay.   


Posted By: Al-kafir
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 8:33am

Originally posted by pauline35

Brother BMZ, thank you for praising my country. Not only have I understood the steps taken were very islamic but also the most rational one.

Today's generation in Malaysia especially those coming from Kuala Lumpur, be aware because Malaysians tend to preserve harmonious atmospheric conditions wherever we go. If one foreigner mess with one Malaysian's Indian, he/she is messing with the whole Malaysians be it Chinese or Malay.   

Thousands die in Thai shadow war

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article1563400.ece - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article1563 400.ece

 

IT IS the shoes of the murdered bus passengers that everyone remembers. Nine corpses, nine sets of footwear — a girl’s plastic sandals, a boy’s trainers and clean white socks, a woman’s sensible casuals — all lined up by the jungle roadside.

 

The scene marked another grim milestone in an insurgency that has torn apart Thailand’s three majority Muslim provinces for the past three years.

 

First, the attackers threw a grenade to stop the minibus. Then they shot dead the passengers, one by one. Only the driver survived. The executioners heard him gabbling to Allah for forgiveness, realised he was not a Buddhist and spared him.

 

 

The latest insurgents borrow political and military techniques from Iraq and Lebanon. Their favoured method is the drive-by assassination by a pillion-riding gunman on a motorbike. They also slit throats and cut off heads as examples.

 

One officer in Thai military intelligence shows visitors photographs recording the eviscerated bodies of Buddhist monks, images so stark that they have been kept out of the Thai press for fear of igniting a pogrom.

 

De facto ethnic cleansing is already in progress. When the Thai-Chinese community celebrated the year of the pig, a feast calculated to incite loathing for the infidels, militants unleashed 50 bomb and arson attacks on their businesses. The targets included a large rubber factory that lost more than £5m of stock.

 

Many Chinese are planning to sell up and go. But Ah Seng, an elderly Chinese herbalist living with his wizened wife in an open-fronted wooden shop-house, laughed at the thought that he would ever leave.

Yes. This all sounds vey harmonious and "atmospheric". Ideologically inspired mass murder has such an effect.

 



Posted By: pauline35
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 7:06am
Based on your sound judgement or based on your crossed-eyed to achieve verdict of your own??

You have the most irrational views of your own. Who put IMF into Thailand? Was it Malaysian Bank or World Bank? That is the answer to your tunnel vision. This time if I am your lecturer, I shall grade you 'D' for Dead vision.


Posted By: asheque
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 9:30pm
Don't hate if you can't love.Whom they says as jesus he was a messanger from http://islamic.vg/allah/ - Allah.


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 02 July 2012 at 1:06pm
Originally posted by abuayisha




Greetings Abuayisha,
You make references to the following;
Al-Jathiyah
Al-Imran
Al-Ma’idah
Al-Baqarah
An-Nisa

are these teachings from Imams?   Because I thought I understood the teachings from the qur'an to be in surahs?

Thanks,
Caringheart


Posted By: Freak
Date Posted: 27 March 2013 at 3:54pm
I love Muslims
I love Christians
I love Jews

I think Jewish men are funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fSm4mq0iY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fSm4mq0iY





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