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Topic: Islam and Britain - A Future
Posted By: Murabit
Subject: Islam and Britain - A Future
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 7:36pm

Islam and Britain - A Future
by Shaykh Dr. Abdalqadir as-Sufi

No thinking person has any doubts that since the end of World War II the institution of political democracy has signally failed to function as an instrument of State which serves the welfare of the masses. It is not only as an instrument of government that it has proved inadequate to its task, but that of its nature, instead of raising up the best men in the community, it has elevated the lowest creatures of the species.

One of the key factors which inhibit a political democracy from governing with justice and care for the masses, is that following the protocols internationally set up after 1945 and the new super-banks that followed these, the carriage of Finance was disconnected from the train of State and shunted into a siding, where it continued to function without either connection to or need to participate in the journey of the State coaches. Under the quite new and invented doctrine that pretended to a rescue of the masses from the power of government, the people were told that markets had to be freed from the State. The acceptance of this seemingly liberal philosophy meant that the Money Power would become a self-governing global entity, increasingly integrated in its various parts and governed by a secret, indeed almost completely unknown elite, with that elite elected by no known franchise. The success of this policy throughout the second half of the twentieth century has now in the twenty-first century reduced governance on the one hand to be no more than the guardian of sewage, a shrinking health service and a vanishing education system, while on the other hand it finds itself obliged to embark on wars which, if unwanted by the masses, are required by the movement of the Market Forces.

The result of this ‘liberal’ situation has proved to be a cluster of specific social disasters which, emerging in this time, have produced an anarchic breakdown of civilised society across the world, and within that chaos, at strategic points, high-wall fortress-zones where the financial elite and their necessary privileged but salaried under-class of technocrats serve their vital industries of money and munitions. Among those disasters we must isolate some. Significantly, each of these is dependent on the acceptance of a rational proposition, and yet each has built into it an assured destruction.

1.  The refusal of the Power Elite to accept the unarguable case of the scientists in the matter of global warming in order that the liberal doctrine of the extraction of minerals and the consumption of fuels continues to their immediate profit.

2.   The re-definition across half the world of an ethos of extreme poverty and malnutrition as a pandemic not even of the disease Aids, but of a medically disputed condition, HIV, which leads to it, and by that token implying that in what are by-and-large traditional and moral societies, there has been an unprecedented wave of unlimited sexual intercourse.

3.   The exploitation by the Power Elite of the young national entity, the USA, forcing it, against the will of its own masses, to adopt the role of a national imperialism which has allowed the unchallenged invasion and occupation of whole countries. A practice which, while it does not benefit that nation-state, assures the ongoing processes of expanding control being exerted by that Power Elite.

4.   The beginning of a collapse of social order inside the fortress-zones occupied by the Elite themselves. Indications of this can be found in the inability of the US government to rescue its poverty-stricken black population in New Orleans after the hurricane. The revolt of the under-class of French citizens in the outskirts of their cities, who, deprived of education, housing and even labour, had risen up across the country, torching thousands of cars and trashing work-places.

5.   The massive influx into the European Union from Latvia, Romania and the Ukraine of tens of thousands of young women to serve the highly organised sex industry demanded inside the fortress-zones to serve as a release mechanism for a technocrat class which has realised that, salaried, it will never taste the great rewards gained by its masters.

6.   The quite macabre phenomenon of the expropriation of a whole land which last knew legal status as a province of the Osmanli Dawlet, Palestine. The world liberal society which doctrinally declared that the State had to be secular and severed from religious rule, and also that a country was founded on the legitimacy of its citizens to ownership, found itself licensing the State of Israel on two things apparently abhorrent to it. Its Constitution declared it was a State for the world’s jews. Its claim to legitimacy was the unprovable and mystical claim that the land had been granted to it by God Almighty. The creation of this State, however, had an intriguing and never-confronted truth attached to it. The unique nature of Israel is neither the illegitimacy of its expropriation of Arab land nor its almost comical imposition of a Divine Covenant on the atheist United Nations, but rather that the dominant caste of the Financial Elite can be demonstrated to be members of that same race whose cruel persecution in the last century led to their understandable urge to have a land of their own, even if it meant displacing its historical inhabitants. The world is afraid of Israel not because of its constant one-party coalition political system, and not through its involvement in the abhorrent racist posturing of both sides, but rather because its people are the same people as the leading players of the Power Elite. For example, to apply their active racist doctrine and language, we could say that the head of the World Bank is NOT a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

This is the background against which we must examine the condition of present-day Britain. Chris Patten, that rare thing, a politician of moral integrity, is on record as saying that Margaret Thatcher destroyed the Conservative Party. There is now a significant consensus that Blair has destroyed the Labour Party. Thatcher also destroyed the Unions, which, while themselves capitalist entities, nevertheless allowed the State to claim it still had the interests of its own workers at heart. Blair’s destructive achievement, however, goes much deeper. This is not a reference to the tragic participation in the devastation of the Iraq War and the lethal chaos that has ensued. The slavish participation in a war whose imperatives were commanded neither by necessity nor common sense indicated nor merely that modern democracies are in themselves dictatorships, but that sovereign States like Britain and the USA were being forced into a mode of deconstruction. That deconstruction may be defined as a devolutionary process forced on the State by the Power Elite which demands that it divest itself of whatever historical inheritance it has, over ten centuries in Britain and two centuries in the USA, of its legal evolutionary process of legislation, institutions and roles, which by themselves assure the civic safety of the individual.

It was Blair’s choice of Lord Chancellor which made it clear to that very small group of informed people in a now education-free country what was implied by that choice. It meant, first of all, that Blair was a man utterly without any sense of the remarkable historical continuity that the island kingdom had preserved, or any awareness that its great institutions and political roles had been formed long before the corrupting imperatives of empire and capitalism, but rather, as the medieval nation had emerged into the post-feudal modern world. What we had witnessed was a party leader unfit to be a Prime Minister, even in a country stripped of its political power to control its wealth, choosing a Lord Chancellor equally unfit for a high office which demanded legal experience and a high moral commitment to those civic rights that through the centuries had been won at high cost.

When terrorism emerged in all its fury, an Arab phenomenon rooted in the seemingly limitless exploitation and expropriation of Arab peoples and land, it forced on the people of the world two obligations, which, if they were not met, would mean that the terrorism would herald a dark age with grave implications for the human situation. What were these two obligations? The first was that people had to confront that the irrational phenomenon of terrorist violence which included ritual suicide had to be the result of recognisable and definable social causes. The second was, that to avoid granting triumph to anarchic forces, society had to, no matter how high the cost, preserve that inheritance of civic safety for the individual which had been the one, and perhaps the only benefit of the historical process.

By the time Blair found himself in the front line of the Power Elite’s scenario, which determined that while the causes of terrorism must not be confronted, as their patrons considered Israel their symbolic homeland, even if they had no intention of living in it, so also at the same time it provided a serious opportunity to dismantle the legal framework which honoured the sanctity of the individual over all tyrannical processes. The Power Elite, by the manipulation of currencies and markets based on no measurable collateral, through its Corporation structures now owned the land, the produce, and the commodities, but it realised it still did not own the people. Here was the historical opportunity. That Elite of bankers, brokers and commodity ownership could make the last great leveraged buy-out. The people - yes, the people - were to be re-defined as property!

With an ever more disturbing unity, sets of almost identical legislation began to appear inside the political framework of the USA, Britain, France, and Germany. Without a single qualm, or even a ripple of verbal resistance, first a blind Home Secretary and then his successor without that excuse, informed us that the protection of the individual that had lasted centuries was to be ripped away, and in a final proof of the State’s legal ownership of the individual, one could be arrested on the claim that one might commit the crime.

In 1603 the first King of Britain, James I, arrived in London. As the Royal Train proceeded into town, a thief was caught in the procession and was found to have stolen more than that amount for which the sentence at the time was death. James ordered a warrant to go to the Recorder of Newark saying that the young man should be executed. Sir John Harington, on hearing what happened, wrote the following: “ ’tis strangely done! Now if the wind blows thus, why may not a man be tried before he has offended?” Almost exactly four hundred years later, the democratic dictator of Britain gives himself and his obedient government that right to dispense at will with the individual. It is not an accident that the end-game of humanism legislatively marks the end of the human creature itself.

This is the situation we are in now. It is clear that Blair is both politically and psychologically a broken man. It is doubtful that this ruined parliament will run its full term. Now, we have clarified that the phenomenon of terrorism, which has inescapable direct social causes, these causes being the effect of the irrational doctrines of corporation capitalism on the world’s poor and degraded, is something from which we as Muslims have to disassociate ourselves. This does not mean that we are passive participants who are prepared to watch the just legal framework on which the nation stands being taken away from under our feet.

It is our clear conviction that Britain, indeed the greater part of the European mainland, will take up the social order, justice and ease that is the Islamic Way as the Old Order of twentieth century capitalism crumbles around us. To this end we must be the voice of reason and also the voice of wisdom, and we must call on those forces in the country that best reflect the elements in it which we as Muslims perceive as beneficial. It is by social transformation that this process will take place. It will not take place under the humiliating and condescending terms with which the Blair government met the Muslims after the ugly London bombings. The Labour Party’s hastily designed masonic tablet of laws is abhorrent to us. His Home Secretary talked of working ‘with all faiths, including Islam, to build and strengthen the integration of faith into our national life.’ His talk of working closely ‘with the mainstream faith communities’ is quite unacceptable to us, because he has laid down a prior condition which as Muslims we must reject. Faith is Iman - not Islam. Their masonic acceptance of faiths indicates they will accept people’s inward convictions, but not that they impinge on the social nexus. In other words, they warn that the Muslim community of Britain may not in fact participate in a social transformation which they consider the unique property of the government itself.

Ironically, they further weakened the constitutional state of Britain when they asked Imams to make a Fatwa against terror. Look at the remarkable ignorance and unfitness for government which they demonstrate. From a constitutional point of view, to ask for a Fatwa is to abrogate the authority of the British State to an entity whose judgment becomes paramount, although that entity in turn has not been chosen by the Muslims. From the Muslim point of view, only the Shi‘a are governed by their Imams. In Islam itself, rule is not by Imams, and of course while they can counsel and advise, it is not their place to pass authoritative statements, for this is the sole right of the ‘Amir of the Muslims. It is a further ignorance to mistake a Fatwa for a Hukm. The Fatwa is a learned judgment, but the Hukm carries with it an order to obey. It is important now that we, the Muslims of Britain, should step forward and participate in every aspect of the political discourse, and indeed, the framing of laws.

Let me now say, for what it is worth, neither as Fatwa nor Hukm but as good counsel, for the Deen is nothing but good counsel:

1.   It is unthinkable that any Muslim should vote for the Labour Party in the light of its dismal record in the matter of preserving the constitutional security of the British tradition.

2.   The Muslim community should take advantage of the unexpected and rare opportunity that has come to Parliament by the possibility of a leader in the Conservative Party. For the first time in half a century we are presented with a man of quality, breeding and moral authority. His virtues are the virtues that Muslims respect.

3.   The Muslims should join the Conservative Party and give active support to David Cameron.

4.   A consultative body of important Muslim citizens led by a significant group of established lawyers should make themselves available in the first instance to the Conservative Party, and in the second instance to that Party as the party of government.

5.   This should result in the Muslim community taking a larger and more important part in the formation of a new Britain within a Europe which boasts Islam as its majority religion.

Source: http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/articles/Art049_05122005.html - http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/articles/Art049_0512 2005.html



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"I am a slave. I eat as a slave eats and I sit as a slave sits.", Beloved, sallallahu alyhi wa-sallam.



Replies:
Posted By: Mohammed
Date Posted: 29 January 2006 at 11:32am

muslims should leave Britain, you will never be welcome, as you are always pushing your religion, and as a Christian country, we could never allow that,.....You have created problems all over the world, in the name of your religion, now you have palestine, iran, pakistan, emerites, turky, why don't you go there, leave us good Christians alone, go collanate a country that actually wants you.....and for your information, I am a labour supporter.......

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For you to quote me, is my reason to abolish you


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by Mohammed

muslims should leave Britain, you will never be welcome, as you are always pushing your religion, and as a Christian country, we could never allow that,.....You have created problems all over the world, in the name of your religion, now you have palestine, iran, pakistan, emerites, turky, why don't you go there, leave us good Christians alone, go collanate a country that actually wants you.....and for your information, I am a labour supporter.......


Its time for the pay-back, we will come to your country and soon if Allah-willing we will out number you. You cant stop us.
Then we will take over your country like you did to us in India.
I can see britain being an Islamic state. After we have UK every Infidel state will fall to us
ALLAH AKBAR !!!
ALLAH AKBAR !!!
ALLAH AKBAR !!!



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Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 3:08pm

I just pictured the Queen Mum in a Burqa.  Okay....that's not right.

But there is always hope that the People of the Book can work closer together and the immigrants to both Britian and the US can be a force for good and needed change.



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Posted By: Abeer23
Date Posted: 05 February 2006 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by Angela

I just pictured the Queen Mum in a Burqa.  Okay....that's not right.

Angela,


Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 11 February 2006 at 4:06am
Originally posted by Angela

I just pictured the Queen Mum in a Burqa.  Okay....that's not right.

But there is always hope that the People of the Book can work closer together and the immigrants to both Britian and the US can be a force for good and needed change.

It can only work in if the asylum seekers show more respect to the hosts that welcomed them into thier country instead of forcing thier beliefs etc onto them.



Posted By: christian
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 8:16am

Originally posted by ak_m_f

Originally posted by Mohammed

muslims should leave Britain, you will never be welcome, as you are always pushing your religion, and as a Christian country, we could never allow that,.....You have created problems all over the world, in the name of your religion, now you have palestine, iran, pakistan, emerites, turky, why don't you go there, leave us good Christians alone, go collanate a country that actually wants you.....and for your information, I am a labour supporter.......


Its time for the pay-back, we will come to your country and soon if Allah-willing we will out number you. You cant stop us.
Then we will take over your country like you did to us in India.
I can see britain being an Islamic state. After we have UK every Infidel state will fall to us
ALLAH AKBAR !!!
ALLAH AKBAR !!!
ALLAH AKBAR !!!

 

lol

i will believe it when i see it.........

and i agree with the other poster.........muslims should keep thier religion and beliefs to themselves.......you are here as guests and should behave with respect



Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 8:19am
Originally posted by christian

Originally posted by ak_m_f

Originally posted by Mohammed

muslims should leave Britain, you will never be welcome, as you are always pushing your religion, and as a Christian country, we could never allow that,.....You have created problems all over the world, in the name of your religion, now you have palestine, iran, pakistan, emerites, turky, why don't you go there, leave us good Christians alone, go collanate a country that actually wants you.....and for your information, I am a labour supporter.......
Its time for the pay-back, we will come to your country and soon if Allah-willing we will out number you. You cant stop us. Then we will take over your country like you did to us in India. I can see britain being an Islamic state. After we have UK every Infidel state will fall to us ALLAH AKBAR !!! ALLAH AKBAR !!! ALLAH AKBAR !!!


 


lol


i will believe it when i see it.........


and i agree with the other poster.........muslims should keep thier religion and beliefs to themselves.......you are here as guests and should behave with respect



We dont force our religion and laws on anyone, esp in a non-muslim countries. (If it was like that, Canada will be a muslim state by now)

We only ask you to respect our religion, is it too much to ask?



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Posted By: christian
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 8:24am
Originally posted by ak_m_f

Originally posted by christian

Originally posted by ak_m_f

Originally posted by Mohammed

muslims should leave Britain, you will never be welcome, as you are always pushing your religion, and as a Christian country, we could never allow that,.....You have created problems all over the world, in the name of your religion, now you have palestine, iran, pakistan, emerites, turky, why don't you go there, leave us good Christians alone, go collanate a country that actually wants you.....and for your information, I am a labour supporter.......
Its time for the pay-back, we will come to your country and soon if Allah-willing we will out number you. You cant stop us. Then we will take over your country like you did to us in India. I can see britain being an Islamic state. After we have UK every Infidel state will fall to us ALLAH AKBAR !!! ALLAH AKBAR !!! ALLAH AKBAR !!!


 


lol


i will believe it when i see it.........


and i agree with the other poster.........muslims should keep thier religion and beliefs to themselves.......you are here as guests and should behave with respect



We dont force our religion and laws on anyone, esp in a non-muslim countries. (If it was like that, Canada will be a muslim state by now)

We only ask you to respect our religion, is it too much to ask?

 

i respect all religion........i dont believe any of it for a second but i do believe other have a right to thier own beliefs.....

you ask me to respect your religion and i said i did.......

its muslims that refuse to repect other religions........what are we?infidels or non believers???

are all infinels to die??? that is the message i get from islam.....so dont talk to me about respect........



Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 8:37am
I used "you" as a metaphor, it wasnt really you... I was talking about cartoons

whats with all the infidel talk?


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Posted By: christian
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 8:42am

Originally posted by ak_m_f

I used "you" as a metaphor, it wasnt really you... I was talking about cartoons

whats with all the infidel talk?

you asked "us" to respect your religion.......

but everytime i hear a muslim speak about somebody who dosnt follow islam he calls him a infidel........or a non believer..

maybe im not entirly correct in my asumptions.....but this is just how it seems from my point of view.....which is that muslims dont respect other religions.....

please correct me if i am wrong........

im not trying to make this a personal issue between you and i...but as a young white guy its very confusing.......i just do not know what islam wants from others....?

maybe it wants nothing.........maybe its just the fanatics who scream infidel?

i dont know



Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 12:07pm

Al-Baqarah - 2:62

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve .

 

I don't think you understand.  It is just the fanatics that scream Infidel.  And perhaps when faced with Christians like you, they forget their are Christians like me that respect their faith instead of coming into their world and making accusations.



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Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by Angela

Al-Baqarah - 2:62

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve .

 

I don't think you understand.  It is just the fanatics that scream Infidel.  And perhaps when faced with Christians like you, they forget their are Christians like me that respect their faith instead of coming into their world and making accusations.

He has clearly stated he doesnt believe in any religion... he has clearly said he sees all religions the same way.... maybe you should have been in London when the original protests were going off to gain a grasp... after all (with with no due disrespect) maybe only extremeists shout infidels but that wasnt how it looked on the streets of london... I was there. i heard the shouts I saw the placards!!!!!!  I also saw MY countrys flag burned....



Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 13 February 2006 at 12:19pm

 

Lets get this staight..

A true Brit would never EVER burn our flag!!!!!!

 

We can be a pissed off nation but we do have standards....

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: Tim Evans
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by Ketchup

 

Lets get this staight..

A true Brit would never EVER burn our flag!!!!!!

 

We can be a pissed off nation but we do have standards....

 

Bolloks

 

 

 



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Tim in Britain


Posted By: Tim Evans
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 4:22pm

Kechup,

You are at it again. I am a Brit and I know what you are at.



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Tim in Britain


Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 4:25am

Are you hunting down every post I have made, this one is 4 days old..  If you are going to quote me  and change what I have written  using one that has an "edited by" message underneath as it will be alot more realistic.

This is harasment btw.. in the real world this would be classed as stalking.



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"The days followed one another patiently. Right back at the beginning of the multiverse they had tried all passing at the same time, and it hadn't worked."


Posted By: Leii
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 2:18pm

I know this is an old thread but I had to reply.

 

Ketchup, I love what you have said here.

A true British person would never insult their country in such a manner. If people coming into this country cannot respect OUR laws and opinions then go somewhere else!



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If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England.


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by Leii

If people coming into this country cannot respect OUR laws and opinions then go somewhere else!



Also dont come into my country and enforce your demo-crazy and puppet government.

reap what you sow....

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Posted By: Leii
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 2:14pm

I have not come into your country, I have no interest in your country or what you do there! But I cannot stop the idiots who run my country from following that ignorant American around the world. Personally I believe everyone should stop messing around with other people's countries and sort out their own.

What I am fed up of is people coming to England and spouting rubbish on Hyde Park Corner about hating the English. If you don't like us then go away.



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If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England.


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by Leii

What I am fed up of is people coming to England and spouting rubbish on Hyde Park Corner about hating the English. If you don't like us then go away.



We are taking the revenge for 300 years of colonialism.

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Posted By: Leii
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 9:53pm

Fair point but I cannot change the crimes that England has committed in the past. Unfortunately that was the kind of arrogance that started many troubles across the world and I do believe that if we hadn't "stomped" across everyone else's countries then half of them wouldn't be as bad as they are now. Like many African countries - if we hadn't "colonised" them and left them to get on with it, then maybe they wouldn't be "third world" now....

....or maybe I'm displaying that English arrogance again by thinking we make that much difference to everyone else!



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If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England.


Posted By: Fawsia
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 6:29pm

 

yeah u r "displaying that english" ..........u screw up my country ....i'm here to screw up yours ............

 

Its fair trade.......Plus without robbing my country yours would still be a cabbage eating, filthy ………… whatever



Posted By: .:: SoHaIB ::.
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 2:16pm

yeah dude fawsia has a point u know.....You Guyz shouldn't have messed up India in the first place .



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Posted By: Judge Dredd
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 9:33pm

 

This is an old thread, but I just started so here is my half-penny's worth.  I know the half-penny doesnt exist anymore but I was fond of it:

With regard to the original article at the beginning of the thread, I think it is a very good article and I came accross this Shaikh a few weeks back on the net.  What he says makes sense.

I am not sure what to make of the postings following the thread.

We are British Muslims.

Just like we don't call all Christian British criminals, Christian fanatics, or all Christian Paedophiles, Christian Deviants, I would appreciate, if others would not look at a handful of crazy people who have extreme messages (like Ed Hussain and his old gangs), and say that all British Muslims are like that.

Remember that of the 1.6-1.8 million British Muslims, the media and self-interested parties (Ed Hussain's new gangs) only focus on the handful of crazy people they can find to justify their own agenda of hate and division.

It would be far more conducive to focus on the mainstream views of the mainsteam British Muslims. 

 




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