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Printed Date: 19 September 2014 at 5:03pm


Topic: another conspiracy theory
Posted By: kenski70
Subject: another conspiracy theory
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 2:51am
many Christians believe this too.there was this fallen angel named Lucifer.he caused man to sin.in the old times sins were paid for in blood through sacrifices.god promised a messiah to atone for the sins of man rendering the sacrifice practice obsolete.god willed Jesus into existence he didn't come down and father him.he was the son of god because god willed his birth with no father. Christ bore the sins of all of man when this sinless person was killed.this put Lucifer at a disadvantage.Christ even went to hell for 3 days why?so those who believe in him wouldn't have to themselves.the end times are described well in revelations.even down to Lucifer's demise.Lucifer knows his fate is sealed.how can he change it?he needs to eliminate his enemies but who are they?easy the Christians and Jews are named specifically as his foes.so how can you eliminate them?first he'd need someone to carry out his plan.so being an angel he appears to Mohammad and tells him that he is in fact Gabriel(a LIE)he drops a new religion on this guy and tells him he is a prophet.being around a long time means that Lucifer is well aware of the Jewish laws so he gives these laws over to Muhammad.gives him some false information and whammo a new religion that hates the first two.and is committed to eliminating both of them and forcing their followers to conform. if Islam succeeds to overtake the whole world.Satan(Lucifer)believes he can avert Armageddon.

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Posted By: voiceoftawheed
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 10:56am
Initially I didn't want to post a reply to this. But, then i thought i should advise you something.

Please read the original Bible (which has been corrupted long ago by paul. ). If not found, please read the gospel of Barnabas.

Please read the hebrew version of Old Testament (which has been obliterated by then churches).

Please ask any honest Christian cleric why Barnabas was departed from paul.

Please follwo the links below:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02299a.htm

http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/

...and there are so many. If you want to know the truth, search for it.


Posted By: kenski70
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 11:15am
Gospel of Barnabas?the only Barnabas Ive ever heard of the one that pilot set free instead of Christ.

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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 11:24am
Brother Alam even some shrinks don't touch certain cases. You are really kind in responding to the poor chap.


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by kenski70

many Christians believe this too.there was this fallen angel named Lucifer.he caused man to sin.in the old times sins were paid for in blood through sacrifices.god promised a messiah to atone for the sins of man rendering the sacrifice practice obsolete.god willed Jesus into existence he didn't come down and father him.he was the son of god because god willed his birth with no father.†Christ bore the sins of all of man when this sinless person was killed.this put Lucifer at a disadvantage.Christ even went to hell for 3 days why?so those who believe in him wouldn't have to themselves.the end times are described well in revelations.even down to Lucifer's demise.Lucifer knows his fate is sealed.how can he change it?he needs to eliminate his enemies but who are they?easy the Christians and Jews are named specifically as his foes.so how can you eliminate them?first he'd need someone to carry out his plan.so being an angel he appears to Mohammad and tells him that he is in fact Gabriel(a LIE)he drops a new religion on this guy and tells him he is a prophet.being around a long time means that Lucifer is well aware of the Jewish laws so he gives these laws over to Muhammad.gives him some false information and whammo a new religion that hates the first two.and is committed to eliminating both of them and forcing their followers to conform. if Islam succeeds to overtake the whole world.Satan(Lucifer)believes he can avert Armageddon.


Why will God let his only son die?, why will he put him in pain?. God put Jesus in hell? . If I was God and people killed my only "child", I will make hell break loose on them.

Maybe he (lucifer)came to paul when we was writing his bible?

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Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 1:49pm
Why do i get the impression that alot of muslims use The Massiah as a way to tackle christians instead of believing in him? Al Maseeh Isa ibnu Maryam(The Massiah Jesus Son of Mary) is the word of Allah, His messenger and the only sent one or messenger that is called Al Maseeh, the word maseeh has a connection to the proverb "masaha" "to wipe away/off" "to rub clean" and in this characteristic is where the truth of The Massiah lays. He did not die but was taken up to Allah. And our prophet Muhammed said that no one can believe in him if they do not believe in The Massiah. The only thing that some "christians" do wrong is take him and his mother as deities to be worshipped, and their saying he is His son because The God is The Creator and not the conceiver and does not have any partner wether female or other. Allah says in the koran that those who follow the massiah will be victorious over the disbelievers untill the day of resurection. So believe in all His prophets and Messengers and do not let your rivalery make you do injustice to any of His sent ones(messengers).


Posted By: Servetus
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 3:52pm

Originally posted by kenski70

... Lucifer knows his fate is sealed.how can he change it?he needs to eliminate his enemies but who are they?easy the Christians and Jews are named specifically as his foes.so how can you eliminate them?first...

Plan B.  Eliminate the enemies (i.e., Christians and Jews) by forcing them to live together beneath a single roof and to discuss their doctrinal differences .

Servetus



Posted By: kenski70
Date Posted: 22 November 2005 at 9:59pm

Why will God let his only son die?, why will he put him in pain?. God put Jesus in hell? . If I was God and people killed my only "child", I will make hell break loose on them.

Maybe he (Lucifer)came to Paul when we was writing his bible?

Jesus's last words were "Eli,Eli, Lama Sabachthani?" my god my god why have thou forsaken me? Christ was the promised messiah.his sole purpose for being born was to die.to die and give men the ability to atone for our sins.his suffering was not deserved ours is he paid the price for the wages of sin on behalf of all men.that was his reason to be here. while they were nailing him to the cross Christ said"forgive them father for they know not what they do."

Matt 27:54 now when the centurion,and they that were with him,watching Jesus,saw the earthquake,and those things that were done,they feared greatly,saying truly this was the son of god.

Matt 27:62-66 Now the next day that followed the day of preparation,the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate.63 saying sir we remember that that deceiver said while he was yet alive that after 3 days i will rise again.64 command therefor that the sepulcher be made sure until the third day,lest his disciples come by night,and steal him away and say unto the people,he has risen from the dead.65 Pilate said unto them ye have your watch:go your way and make it as sure as you can.66 so they went and made the sepulcher sure,sealing the stone and setting a guard.

Matt 28:1-6 in the end of the Sabbath as it began to dawn  to wards the first day of the week,came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.2 and behold there was a great earthquake:for the angel of the lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone from the door and sat upon it.3 his countenance was like lightning,his raiment white as snow.4and for fear of him the keepers did shake and became as dead men.5 and the angel answered the women.fear ye not for i know you seek Jesus which was crucified.6 he is not here:for he is risen,as he said.come see the place where the lord lay.

so much for faking his death.he rose from the dead in front of guards!and i doubt that was Satan Paul ran into when he wrote the new testament.why??Paul's job at the time Christ appeared to him was to hunt down and kill Christians.just as Satan would want.why would Satan use Paul's voice against himself when Paul originally was on Satan's side.



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Posted By: Servetus
Date Posted: 23 November 2005 at 9:24am

The conspiratorial plot thickens.  One wonders (and to play "you-know-whose" advocate), why is it that the crucified Christ of Christianity, the propitiatory sacrifice, so closely resembles all those crucified and resurrected savior gods of Pagan antiquity?   (St. Justin Martyrís explanation, that it is due, in effect, to clever demons that can read the Bible in advance and thus replicate, or counterfeit the idea, is somewhat but not altogether satisfactory to my Unitarian mind.)  Also, why is it that human sacrifice, with some possible exceptions, e.g., Jeptha's daughter,  is so expressly prohibited in the Old Testament and yet becomes central to the New Testament and to its mystery of redemption? Is this the "stumbling stone and rock of offense" that was laid in Zion, spoken of by Prophet Isaiah (8:13-15)?

 

Servetus 



Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 23 November 2005 at 12:25pm
I wonder who marks this thread to me whan I have not marked it nor have the desire to mark it for my attention.


Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 23 November 2005 at 2:46pm

Maybe he does need treatment.



Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 25 November 2005 at 11:14pm
Real Mid West treatment!


Posted By: Servetus
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 10:16am

But I was on the edge of my seat with excitement, waiting for the next chapters in this grand conspiracy (assuming there were some).

Servetus



Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 05 December 2005 at 2:23pm

Rudy, though I agree that the Bible was corrupted.  And people rely too heavily on the Epistles of Paul....I would suggest that you look deeper into the Gospel of Barnabas.

There is alot of evidence that suggests that the Gospel of Barnabas was actually written in the 14th century.  There are a number of inaccuracies that Barnabas would not have made the mistakes. 

The Gospel of Barnabas also contradicts the Quran by claiming Mohammed to be the Messiah and denying Christ as the Messiah. 

I would think it would be dangerous to put faith into any book with questionable origins, especially if there are pieces that contradict what is believed to be the pure word of God (The Holy Quran).

I fear the Gospel of Barnabas is just more of the created writings that appeared in the years after Jesus's (death/disappearance, depending on belief) 

But, to be fair, I have a couple of sites, one for and one against the Gospel of Barnabas.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/barnabas.htm - http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/barnabas.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/barnabas.htm - http://www.answering-christianity.com/barnabas.htm

 

I think its best if we stick to what we know to be true in our hearts.  You have the Quran...I have my own book.  But in the end, I put little faith in anything brought out and haggled over by the Apostate Churches of the Middle Ages. 



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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 4:22am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem


being around a long time means that Lucifer is well aware of the Jewish laws so he gives these laws over to Muhammad.gives him some false information and whammo a new religion that hates the first two.and is committed to eliminating both of them and forcing their followers to conform. if Islam succeeds to overtake the whole world.Satan(Lucifer)believes he can avert Armageddon.

-Islamic laws are different from jewish laws, the torah is as corupt as the bible and as inconsistant. It is not revelation at all but the writings of unknown authors this is basic fact.

-Allah not once in the Quran calls christians or jews Kufar, a word you claim is derogitory, they are hounered with the title the people of the book. Muslims could have easily wiped out both religions from the face of the earth yet you still see churches in muslim countires and historical sites still standing. both christians and jews preffered to live under islamic rule than christian rule to the point that even christians where fighting in the army of salah al deen against the crusaders and jews native to palestine objected strongly the creation fo the state of Israel.

-we did overtake the whole world and yet you are still here, unless you are claiming muslims aim to kill all non muslims which is even makes your arguments look more bigated.

Your coruption does not stop and you claim might is right how pathetic of a people to claim they are godfearing and at the same time behave as you have.



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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 06 December 2005 at 8:10am

unless you are claiming muslims aim to kill all non muslims which is even makes your arguments look more bigated.
If they ever had any taste or need for that then ay others would not have been left in India, the Central Asia or Spain - and almost a lot of the rest of the world.

People often hide their own  kill counts ad ratios under this allegation!



Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 07 December 2005 at 10:51pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Angela,

I have read the Gospel of barnabas and seen some of the diferences  people claim it has with islamic teachings. Much of the diferences arise from non muslim understanding of islam as well as uneducated muslims understanding of islam, and the fact that the english is a translation of a translation of a translation.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 08 December 2005 at 12:58am

kenski70 the pollak wrote:
 and whammo a new religion that hates the first two.and is committed to eliminating both of them and forcing their followers to conform. if Islam succeeds to overtake the whole world.Satan(Lucifer)believes he can avert Armageddon.

Let's us see the numbers killed, tortured, blown to bits, incinerated, cooked, bbq'd, fried  amongst the civilized  white nations of the great west just in 20th century.
   
    World War I:----------------------------------------15,000,000
                   civilian ----------------------------------13,000,000
    Russian Gulags--------------------------------------20,000,000
    World War II----------------------------------------55,000,000
    Holocasust (inc.6mil of Jews-Isralites/God's Favorites) 25,000,000
    Vietnam, China, japan figures can wait.
    ADD THEM UP
    Simple question for ski the pollak: who were these MONSTERS ?         Weren't they Christians, Catholics and Jews ?
        DIDN'T THEY HAVE ANY SENSE ?
     So far I am concerned they didn,t finish the job.
     I am past my bed time - I believe you need a TRINITY's history             lesson to get your head screwed on right. Later------
  
     


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