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Topic: Asalaam Alikum, Brothers...
Posted By: aishag88
Subject: Asalaam Alikum, Brothers...
Date Posted: 06 November 2005 at 6:13pm

 

 Sorry for coming on to your form, but my question is for the brothers. 

I have a question about women's dress.

 With the sisters,Islamic  womens dress is a very huge discussion topic. I myself am told a lot about the way i dress, if something is not loose enough, or what i am wearing is to reveling.

 So my question to you is, what would you like muslim women to wear? What do you think is approprite? What would you let your wife/daughter/sister go out in public in? Or do you completly disagree with having to wear hijab?

 Thank you, and salam alikum,

 Aisha




Replies:
Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 06 November 2005 at 9:16pm

Wa Alaikum Salaam,

Let me say that I'm a so-called "Westerner" so whether my opinion on dress matters to you or not well that is up to you to accept. In my opinion I believe what a woman wears doesn't matter so long as the aparrel she wears does not damage her integrity. I believe that clothing reflects the social philosophy of society therefore when people dress provocatively its usely an expression of a liberal and "free-loving" society, not always but in the States that is usually the case. On Hijab or Niqab I believe whatever a woman wears is her choice I dont believe spirituality is what we wear but a behavior and its expressed through our observance of our faith. I believe women are beautiful and dont need clothes (of course I mean women dont need clothing as a form of expressing their faith of course) to express themselves or their faith but to have that reflect in their heart.

Sister BTW you dont need to apologize because you are free to venture here as we are free to venture on your forum.



Posted By: Muslim Friend
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 11:05am

So my question to you is, what would you like muslim women to wear? What do you think is approprite? What would you let your wife/daughter/sister go out in public in? Or do you completly disagree with having to wear hijab?

This question is unneccasary - it should not matter what the men want you to wear - it should matter of what Allah has stated.

To wear a mans clothing is haram - as women are not meant to wear trousers - this does not mean that trousers and a long top cannot be worn - but clothes should not be form fitting - therfore hijab i believe is an excellant method of covering yourself.

i do not wear a hijab myself nor do a refrain from wearing trousers - but i most certainly will not be asking for a mans opinion, when i am ready to wear the Hijab or to cover myself correctly according to Islam - i will follow the guide lines set by Allah and the prophet - using the prophets wives as an example.

Inshallah



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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.


Posted By: Jenni
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 1:38pm
Muslim Friend that is exactly how I feel!!!

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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.


Posted By: aishag88
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 7:06pm

 How do you use the prophets wifes as an explame if you don't wear Hijab?

 Also, you said "To wear a mans clothing is haram - as women are not meant to wear trousers " but then you said " do not wear a hijab myself nor do a refrain from wearing trousers " So you are saying you know you are wrong? I guess thats a start, admitting there is a probelm is a good start....

 You said also "This question is unneccasary - it should not matter what the men want you to wear..."

I agree It does not matter,if it matter I wouldnt wear hijab, I would wear mini skirts, and flont myself.

  I wanted there opoions, there imput, there  "two-cents". How offend do we ask the men? Maybe they have a very good view.



Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 7:22pm
Obviously what I posted is of no importance LOL whatever I quit here


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 12:05am
Originally posted by Muslim Friend

To wear a mans clothing is haram - as women are not meant to wear trousers - this does not mean that trousers and a long top cannot be worn - but clothes should not be form fitting - therfore hijab i believe is an excellant method of covering yourself.

i do not wear a hijab myself nor do a refrain from wearing trousers - but i most certainly will not be asking for a mans opinion, when i am ready to wear the Hijab or to cover myself correctly according to Islam - i will follow the guide lines set by Allah and the prophet - using the prophets wives as an example.

Inshallah

Muslim Friend, you contradict yourself



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Jenni
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 6:05am
I think she is trying to say, that it is up to her to decide and she may think wearing trousers are wrong(her opinion) but is wearing them anyway and may change in the future. I agreed with her that its not up to mens opinion.

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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.


Posted By: aishag88
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 11:31am
 No brother, I don't mean that...Please don't get mad at me


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 5:09pm

Originally posted by aishag88

 No brother, I don't mean that...Please don't get mad at me

huh, which brother are you referring to? Israfil is the only brother here so I guess you mean him ?



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 08 November 2005 at 5:11pm
About asking a mans opinion, its ok only if they agree that you look nice  

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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: aishag88
Date Posted: 09 November 2005 at 11:41am


Posted By: Muslim Friend
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 12:22pm
Thanks Jenni and yes shes correct in her answer.

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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.


Posted By: Muslim Friend
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 12:26pm

Aisha, may i ask, do you wear just a head scarf or the full length hijab thingy to cover yourself - sorry but alot of peopl use different descriptions for them?

From the impression i've had in your last 2 posts on clothing - you do wear trousers and a headscarf but you mentioned in another post that you feel guilty when you wear tight fitting trousers. I'm now confused. Why do you wear tight trousers or short tops if you feel guilty?!



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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.


Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 11 November 2005 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by Muslim Friend

I'm now confused. Why do you wear tight trousers or short tops if you feel guilty?!

Good question! Tight-fitting clothing can be more revealing than covering the hair, agree?



Posted By: Muslim Friend
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 5:30am

Thank you Deus,

Exactly my point  

If your clothes are loose and your hair is open, you will get less attention that covered hair and tight clothes. Tight clothes flaunt everything and atleast when hair is open, you can use it to hide something!!!

I know many girls who wear headscarfs and tight trousers, so tight infact, that bending over is a case of flashing to any passer by!!!

I on the other hand, as i stated or as many of you kindly pointed out contradicted myself(!!!) in this topic before, do not cover my hair but my clothes are loose fitted. if you are clear in you intentions to guys they are pretty much o.k with you. It is only when you allow them to flirt that they continue.

One point i have found is, that i would actually like to wear asian clothes to work, but i have a higher management position and find i don't get the same respect in asian clothes that i do in western clothes. Has antyone else had the same problem.



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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.


Posted By: soulsearching
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 11:10am

ican understand that in many western companies you'd have trouble commanding respect in asian clothes.the language of clothing is different because the culture is different..in some cultures you'd look positively regal in asian shalwar kameez.. but luckily its not against muslim codes of dress to wear a trouser suit if you are a woman. you can get suits with longer jackets and /or loose wide trousers.

 

 



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by Muslim Friend

atleast when hair is open, you can use it to hide something!!!

That is if you have long hair  



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 6:47pm

Be covered or wearing loose clothing does not garantee less attention.

I believe if you look nice and respectful, modest whether in tightly dressed or loose clothing, you'll still get some kind of attention from a guy.

I want to stress one point being covered doesn't garantee that men will not look or think about certain things, one thing about the west where some women wear little clothing or bikinis at the beach/pool actually leaves nothing to the imagination, all is revealed, men get accustomed to this and lose interest. Being covered at least leaves something to the imagination. I am sorry to say this but its true.



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 7:24pm
I agree Hijab or not Niqab or not some men will always have the curiousity of the woman. I'm at a point now where I can care less what women wear because clothes dont make the person.


Posted By: ahmed niceguy
Date Posted: 13 November 2005 at 7:43pm

Dear aisha88

Woman has to wear hijab. I agree with you, you are on the right way.

God bless you.



Posted By: aishag88
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 11:34am
Sometimes i want to be more like disbelivers. I go to a public high school in u.s so its hard sometimes. But, insh'allah I will start to wear just abaya soon.


Posted By: aishag88
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 11:35am

 Sorry, I forgot...

 I wear square hijab. I take the tail, tuck one in my shirt/abaya then pin the other tail to my shoulder...



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 14 November 2005 at 11:08pm

Originally posted by aishag88

Sometimes i want to be more like disbelivers.

Why do you want to be like other people? Don't you just want to be you ?

 

 



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 15 November 2005 at 7:56am

aishag that surely is a terrible thing to write!

Why would you want to like the girl in public school who wear provocative clothing or the girl who wears tight fitting clothing to get attention or the girl who wears hardly any clothing to get all the attention? Listen I know Muslim women who dont wear hijab at the tmoment right now but are still strong in their faith. What is your problem? No offense I assume you're in High School right?



Posted By: Abeer23
Date Posted: 15 November 2005 at 10:23am

Instead of telling her about how many muslim sisters are disobeying Allah (not covering), let's  encourage her to obey Allah (cover).  

Salaam



Posted By: aishag88
Date Posted: 15 November 2005 at 11:30am

 I do wear hijab...My imam is greating better...everyone as there moments...Insh'allah i will never feel that way again

 I don't want to be live the dibelieves, I am proud to be muslim!



Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 15 November 2005 at 4:32pm
Abeer you missed the point she said she sometimes felt like dressing as the disbelievers and I questioned why she felt that way and I made the example of sister that I know who do not wear Hijab. If I'm correct its not a sin that a woman does not wear hijab although  there are variances on that. I was not telling her to disobey God people should know how many times I'm always posting quite the opposite


Posted By: Abeer23
Date Posted: 16 November 2005 at 4:15am

My apologies brother.    I assumed you were telling her it's ok not to wear hijab.  I guess I shouldn't "assume"  things.  You know what they say about that.

Just one minor correction if I may.  To disobey Allah is a sin.  Since Allah has ordered us to wear it, not doing so is disobedience and thus a sin.   Ther are no variances on this issue.  

Salaam 



Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 16 November 2005 at 10:46am
Abeer agreed. I cannot speak for Muslimah's as I am not one myself. But no worries brother I would never advocate another Muslim to sin against Allah (Astragfirullah)


Posted By: Muslim Friend
Date Posted: 20 November 2005 at 10:04am

Israfil,

      I did think Aisha was a teenager when she first started this comment, and the fact that shes confirmed it means i was correct. I don't think she actually means she wants to be a kafir, but i think its the materialism and peer pressure that probably makes her want to "fit in"  as it were.

What she needs to understand is that this is a test of her faith.

 

Aisha, just be strong. Besides, you can dress well and still be covered up.



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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.



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