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Topic: Quran Verse
Posted By: jgnana
Subject: Quran Verse
Date Posted: 17 February 2014 at 6:53pm
What is the meaning of verse 2.115

2:115. கிழக்கும், மேற்கும் அல்லாஹ்வுக்கே (சொந்தம்); நீங்கள் எந்தப் பக்கம் திரும்பினாலும் அங்கே அல்லாஹ்வின் முகம் இருக்கிறது. நிச்சயமாக அல்லாஹ் விசாலமானவன்; எல்லாம் அறிந்தவன்.

And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.



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Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 19 February 2014 at 3:31pm
You can read Ibn Kathir's commentary on this verse:

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=321

Basically, the verse is stating that whichever direction you face to pray, Allah is present.  This verse was revealed in response to some of the Jews of Madinah who were disturbed that the Muslims had stopped praying in the direction of Jerusalem and instead had turned towards Mecca. 



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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 February 2014 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by jgnana

What is the meaning of verse 2.115

2:115. கிழக்கும், மேற்கும் அல்லாஹ்வுக்கே (சொந்தம்); நீங்கள் எந்தப் பக்கம் திரும்பினாலும் அங்கே அல்லாஹ்வின் முகம் இருக்கிறது. நிச்சயமாக அல்லாஹ் விசாலமானவன்; எல்லாம் அறிந்தவன்.

And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
 
 
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 115 - 123 , Revealed In The Year 624 - 626 , Al Baqarah ( The Heifer ) , These verses are speaking of , And I Quote ; Everything In The Earth And The Skies Belongs To Allah .


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 20 February 2014 at 5:00pm
sir, what is Face of allah? allah has no form, then what is face? how many commentaries do you have? what is the exact translation?


Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 6:13pm
Originally posted by jgnana

sir, what is Face of allah? allah has no form, then what is face? how many commentaries do you have? what is the exact translation?


We believe that on the Day of Judgment, we will see Allah's Face.  It is stated in the authentic hadiths:

"Narrated Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way." (Sahih Bukhair, Book 12, #770)

What do you mean by "how many commentaries" I have?  There are many commentaries, written by both classical and contemporary scholars.  Ibn Kathir's commentary is one of the most famous and well-known.

The translation is correct.  The term "wajhul-lahi" means "Face of Allah" or "Allah's Face".  Some translations have translated this term as "Presence of Allah" but the literal meaning is "Face of Allah".


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 6:46pm
as per islam god has no form correct? this is the first time i am hearing that Allah has face. Does this statement be accepted all divisions of islam?

Mohammed had received Quran from Allah, through Gabriel. Is this correct? When, where and how Gabriel received Quran?

What is the position of Gabriel and why we are not like him/her now?


Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 21 February 2014 at 7:16pm
Why more than one commentary upon God's information? who gave certificate that this commentary is authentic? then i would like to know more about the philosophical difference between that


Posted By: syed_z
Date Posted: 22 February 2014 at 3:32am
Originally posted by jgnana

as per islam god has no form correct? this is the first time i am hearing that Allah has face. Does this statement be accepted all divisions of islam?

Mohammed had received Quran from Allah, through Gabriel. Is this correct? When, where and how Gabriel received Quran?

What is the position of Gabriel and why we are not like him/her now?



Consider this Verse of the Quran

Surah Al Rahman Verses 26-27
Everyone upon the earth will perish
And there will remain the Face of your Lord, Owner of Majesty and Honor.

Face of your Lord

Face which in Arabic means Wajh does not only mean the front part of an individual's head. It also means an individual's whole being, Wajh represents one's complete individuality. So basically 'Face of your Lord' would mean Allah (swt) Himself, His Majestic Self.



Posted By: syed_z
Date Posted: 22 February 2014 at 3:52am
Originally posted by jgnana

Mohammed had received Quran from Allah, through Gabriel. Is this correct? When, where and how Gabriel received Quran?

What is the position of Gabriel and why we are not like him/her now?


The Jews in Madinah at the time of Prophet Muhammad (saw) had posed the same question, they asked the Disbelievers of Makkah to go an ask him about the 'Ruh' or 'Holy Spirit', ask him (saw) to inform us about it.

To which Allah (swt) had revealed the following verse of the Quran in Surah Bani Israel (17:85):

And they ask you concerning the Ruh (the spirit). Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord and of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.'')

The Ruh means Soul, which has been blown in to each one of us, which keeps us alive.
The classical and contemporary commentators of the Quran say that Ruh could also refer to the Holy Spirit i.e. Gabriel (a.s) the Greatest Angel of all the Angels, who brought revelation. The answer to your question is visible in the shared Verse.


Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 22 February 2014 at 11:02am
Originally posted by jgnana

as per islam god has no form correct? this is the first time i am hearing that Allah has face. Does this statement be accepted all divisions of islam?

Mohammed had received Quran from Allah, through Gabriel. Is this correct? When, where and how Gabriel received Quran?

What is the position of Gabriel and why we are not like him/her now?


All Muslims are required to believe in the Quran and the authentic Hadiths.  Whether Allah has a "form" or not is not our concern.  All we know is that we will see His Face on the Day of Judgment.  How or under what circumstances, we do not know.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) did receive the Quran from Allah (swt) via Gabriel.  Gabriel is Allah's messenger.  He received it from Allah (swt), and then delivered it to Muhammad (peace be upon him). 

Gabriel is an angel.  We are humans.  Why would we be like him?  Angels are made from light.  Humans are made from clay. 


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 22 February 2014 at 11:48am
1. Can you certainly say, whether Allah has form or not? why you are not keeping his form in mosques?

2. where were you before taking this birth? why you took birth? why you took this whatever form you have? how allah decided you to take birth here? why you are not taking birth in my place, why not I in your place? what is the difference between human form and others form?

3. if humans are made up of clay, then what is mind? how it was created?


Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 22 February 2014 at 10:26pm
@jgnana whatever Allah says in Quran we believe, Allah in ch 28 v 88 and in ch 55 v 26-27 says everything will b perished and in the end only face of Allah will remain, how it is its Allah only knows,concept of God is defined by Surah Al Ikhlaas ch 112 v 1-4-Say Allah is one, he is eternal, he is neither born nor give birth there is nothing like him.moreover there are no divisions in islam because Allah says in ch 6 v 159 to prophet to nothing to do with those who make sects, Allah will c them on hereafter.


Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 23 February 2014 at 8:14am
Sir, you have given answer to one of my three questions, that too partial. Please answer my all questions.

If you say God is great, but he cannot beget children. Your father got you, your grand father got your father, and you (may be already or soon) will get your heir. then why not God? Please explain how he is great in that situation? whatever he is creating is doing some action, but he cannot, then how he will be supreme in all?


Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 23 February 2014 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by jgnana

1. Can you certainly say, whether Allah has form or not? why you are not keeping his form in mosques?

2. where were you before taking this birth? why you took birth? why you took this whatever form you have? how allah decided you to take birth here? why you are not taking birth in my place, why not I in your place? what is the difference between human form and others form?

3. if humans are made up of clay, then what is mind? how it was created?


As I said, whether Allah has a physical "form" or not is not important.  All we know is that we will see His Face on the Day of Judgment, inshaAllah.  We don't concern ourselves with matters of the unknown.

The rest your questions can be answered in the same way: it was all Allah's will. 


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: jgnana
Date Posted: 23 February 2014 at 7:44pm
Sir, i am also believing God, there is no second question about that. But it doesn't mean like, we cannot try to understand how gloriously God or his creations are working (at least up to our level of understanding).

If everything is Allah's will, why he created Kabirs. Why he created people to disrespect him? Then why he is sending them to eternal hell?

Is it your mistake to go to hell? it is Allah's creation. If God is going to hell or heaven, then there is no question about his creation. But it is we, who are going to suffer in the hell, then i have full rights to ask why you have created like this, and sending me to hell. If we don't understand the procedures how it works(upto my level), then i will be so called fanatic sentimentalist, God will NEVER LIKE THIS TYPE OF FANATIC SENTIMENTALIST.

I hope you will understand this. Then he has to answer all these questions. If you say, Quran is coming from God and it is having complete knowledge(than other scriptures), it should have this information also. If i simply take your answer, then as per Allah's will i am asking these question, please think and answer.

Please let me know in detail. I am so much interested to understand answers to my questions in detail.

If you want, please loop others also. Basically i need elaborate discussion and understanding on these subjects.

similarly, regarding form, "not important" is completely different from the question of its "existence". I would like to get proof from Quran, whether god has form or not. It is not the subject of how much importance you are giving to it.

As per this verse 2.115, God has face. Then there is no question of his legs and hands. Those who are denying that, will have no faith or knowledge on this verse. Am i correct? If i am correct, why mosques are empty?

Thanks again.


Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 24 February 2014 at 12:55am
Assalamalecum, Allah says in Quran in ch 67 v 2 that he had created death and life to test us who is good in deeds, our result may b heaven or hell, we and the jinns are creations who posess free will, but with the help of Quran we can use this free will in the way of Allah, Allah says in ch 29 v 69 that if u strive in way of Allah, Allah will open pathways for u.in ch 13 v 11 Allah says Allah will not change the situation of those people who don'twant to change themselves, this shows Allah had given us choice to strive, Allah says in ch 10 v 99 that if Allah would have wanted he cud hv created all people muslims, he ddidn't created people to disrespect him he had given us free will whether to follow him or Satan, eg people imitate actors, actresses in their lifestyle, in fact they should have imitate Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the best man in the world, so its our choice to follow, Allah is showing signs to us.


Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 24 February 2014 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by jgnana

Sir, i am also believing God, there is no second question about that. But it doesn't mean like, we cannot try to understand how gloriously God or his creations are working (at least up to our level of understanding).

If everything is Allah's will, why he created Kabirs. Why he created people to disrespect him? Then why he is sending them to eternal hell?

Is it your mistake to go to hell? it is Allah's creation. If God is going to hell or heaven, then there is no question about his creation. But it is we, who are going to suffer in the hell, then i have full rights to ask why you have created like this, and sending me to hell. If we don't understand the procedures how it works(upto my level), then i will be so called fanatic sentimentalist, God will NEVER LIKE THIS TYPE OF FANATIC SENTIMENTALIST.

I hope you will understand this. Then he has to answer all these questions. If you say, Quran is coming from God and it is having complete knowledge(than other scriptures), it should have this information also. If i simply take your answer, then as per Allah's will i am asking these question, please think and answer.

Please let me know in detail. I am so much interested to understand answers to my questions in detail.

If you want, please loop others also. Basically i need elaborate discussion and understanding on these subjects.

similarly, regarding form, "not important" is completely different from the question of its "existence". I would like to get proof from Quran, whether god has form or not. It is not the subject of how much importance you are giving to it.

As per this verse 2.115, God has face. Then there is no question of his legs and hands. Those who are denying that, will have no faith or knowledge on this verse. Am i correct? If i am correct, why mosques are empty?

Thanks again.


If you want to debate this issue, then you are in the wrong section.  Please go to the Interfaith forum for that.

If you think that there has to be an answer for every single question regarding Allah, Creation, Heaven and Hell etc., then you are mistaken. 

You want to know why Allah (swt) did something.  Why is that so important to you?  A Muslim is content with knowing that Allah (swt) does what He wills.  We don't question why He did it or how. 

Regarding Hell, people who go there deserved it due to their own actions.  For example, the Quran states:

"And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein." (Surah 19:70) 

About Allah's Face, I have already stated all there is to say.  We will see Allah's Face on the Day of Judgment.  How or under what circumstances is not known.  If that is not sufficient for you, there is nothing I can do.  If you expect an answer for every single question in life, then you are guaranteed to be disappointed. 


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)




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