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JESUS (S0 PREACHED THE COMING OF THE QURAN (ISLAM)

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Topic: JESUS (S0 PREACHED THE COMING OF THE QURAN (ISLAM)
Posted By: truthnowcome
Subject: JESUS (S0 PREACHED THE COMING OF THE QURAN (ISLAM)
Date Posted: 27 December 2013 at 9:53pm
Peace to all!


Jesus (S) said: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy KINGDOM COME, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10)

Jesus (S) preached when the Kingdom of God would have come then "THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH...in others words "SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH OR I should say ISLAM would be done on earth.

 

He said: “I must preach KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV)


  He was sent to preach the coming of Qur'an (The Kingdom of God).


WHAT IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HOW IT WILL COME?

His disciples thought that the kingdom of God will come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:20&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Luke 17:20 )

 

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)

The “grain of mustard seed” is a message; and the “man” is the one who will delivered that message; it mentioned in Revelation 12 and 14; and the coming of that message is the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth. In the book of Revelation Chapter12 it mentioned the coming of a “man child” who would have rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival “then” Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come, God’s Law (his will) shall establish on earth Meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation 14 conforms that …. And in Luke 21 he told them to look for the sign for it coming, it was yet to come.

“And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God… (Rev.12:5-10.)”

      That would be after the demise of Jesus (S)

 

Revelation 14:6-7 it mentioned:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - )

That is the future tense! The book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The Bible), which is already here; it’s mentioned of an “angel coming from heaven” with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The same Greek word “Euaggelizo” which translates as Gospel which is the Good News, it mentioned also in revelation 14. The NWT got correct translation:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven, and it was describe as a “Judgment” to “preach” to all nations. That Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth (all nations). What Jesus (S) said? He said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on earth!”

The Judgment mentioned there was the law it is in Isaiah 42 and John 16:8 it mentioned:

 “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:1-4)

“And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8)

It says: “till he has set judgment in the earth and the isles shall wait for His LAW”. As we can see the everlasting Good News for all nations is the Judgment to the Gentiles, which is God’s everlasting law on earth.

Allah (S) has described the Qur’an as the “Criterion of judgment between right and wrong”, in fact he name Sura 25 (Chapter 25) Al-Furcon (The Criterion) and this is what he said in verse 1:

Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

What revelation says? It says: 6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people…because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived....” (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Allah (S) says: “Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur’an 2:185)

…it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

Allah (S) says: Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196) And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

       There is no doubt about it, when we go and look into the revelation of former people it is there in Revelation 14:6-7. Look we have more conformation. It mentioned in the Qur’an:

  1. …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50); ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)
  2. And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)
  3. Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)

What Revelation 14-7 says? 

It says: Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!”

Allah (S) said: A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)


Br. Zainool



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 29 December 2013 at 2:19pm

Jesus (S) he said:

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)

      That “grain of mustard seed” is “a message”; and “the man” is “the one who will delivered that message”; that man is no other than Muhammad (S)! This is what Allah (S) said:

“We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind…but most of mankind know not.” (Qur.34:28). 

And Jesus (S) said: “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Lu 17:21)

     If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when you hear the message you believe and accepted it with your whole heart. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed (message)] to Muhammad (S):

Allah (S) said: “Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.” (Q.26:192-194)

 

SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMES WHEN THE MAN CHILD WHO WAS TO RULE ALL NATIONS

Now, let’s look at revelation 12, it mentioned:

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ… (Rev.12:5-10).

Revelation 12 is all about future things to come after the demise of Jesus (S). It stated in Rev.1:1

 “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass” (Rev.1:1)

Salvation and the Kingdom of God come in the future after the demise of Jesus (S).

Now, that’s bringing us to another point, “SALVATION”. Salvation is not by blood because it comes after the demise of Jesus (S), so, this verse is a contradiction in Revelation 12:11

“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,” (Rev 12:11)

It also mentioned: “Now come…the power of Christ”

Note: It says “power of Christ”. And not Christ!

In the book of Habakkuk it mentioned who will bring salvation. I quote:

 “…And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He stood and measured the earth…he beheld and drove asunder the nations…His way are everlasting…at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the anointed” (Habk.3:3-13(KJV))

     None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran.

  “And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran” (Genesis 21:21)

It is the Holy One from Mt. Paran will bring “Salvation”; and Muhammad (S) is the descendant of Ishmael. See how all the message fall in context? Jesus (s) also told the Jews the Kingdom of God would be taken away from them.

 “Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.” (Matt.21:42-44)

The stone Jesus (S) spoke of was a “message”. If you reject Jesus (S) you automatically reject his “message” of the coming kingdom of God; and that message which is the coming kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews and given to another nation, and it would bare fruits and be “MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES”, and no other message would be able destroy it and where ever the message establish it will prevail over all other message (man-made law). Sure Jesus (S) is not the stone because he is not marvelous in our eyes.

  The nation that fulfilled that is no other than Ishmaelite Abraham’s (S) seeds; the God of Abraham’s promise to bless Abraham’s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation. It mentioned in Genesis 17: 20.

“And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - - Genesis 17:20 ).



It mentioned in Luke: And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Lu 13:29 )

Jesus said: “…BY THE FRUIT YE SHALL KNEW THEM.” (Matt.7:20) AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES.

Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

Br. zainool




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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 30 December 2013 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Peace to all!

Jesus (S) said: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy KINGDOM COME, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10)

Br. Zainool




Jesus (S)  mentioned there, the coming of God’s kingdom his (God's) name would be sanctifies.

 

in Malachi it is mentioned:

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same “my name shall be great among the Gentiles”; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 1: 11)

 What is his name? Jesus (S) said:

Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. (John 10:25) 

Jesus (S) said in John 5:43

"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John 5:43)

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. (John 17:6)

   

What exactly in the Father name?

Let’s examine the writings of the O.T.. It mentioned:

And Moses said unto God…What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=ex+3:14&it=nas&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1&l=en - (Exodus 3:13-15 )

Is God Almighty name I AM? The Hebrew word used there is http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=ex+3:14&it=nas&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1&l=en - (hyh , which translates as

    http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01961 - .

Now let’s read Psalms 83:18

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. ( http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Psalms+83%3A18&section=0&it=kjv&oq=Paslms%252083%3A18&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1 - Psalms 83: 18 )

    The Hebrew word that translates into Jehovah is http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Psalms+83%3A18&section=0&it=kjv&oq=Paslms%252083%3A18&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1 - YHWH . Now we have http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Psalms+83%3A18&section=0&it=kjv&oq=Paslms%2083%3A18&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1 - YHWH translates as JEHOVAH and not http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01961 - - (hyh which translates as I http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01961 - .  We have a problem there! Which one is his name? I mean how many names God have? That not all, the translator forgot to mention God by name in the New testament and the Holy Spirit forgot to inform Christians of God Holy name; instead, Christians call in the name of “Jesus” whereas God name does not pronounce as “Jesus”. So I can’t see how Jesus (S) comes in God’s name as he claimed: "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John 5:43)

Is this the father name?

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+1:31&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -

 

      Let’s look at Jehovah and Yahwah which some Christians claimed is God’s name.

We have in Hebrew – Yahweh = Latin – Iehovah = English – Jehovah

      What is God personal name? They don’t know! They found the four letter word “YHWH” and decided to come up a pronunciation they think it is; and if you examine the Christian’s bible in various languages you will see they come up with various pronunciations.  

This is a clip from a thread at a discussion forum on the Internet from a JEHOVAH WITNESS:

[QUOTE] 

The follow list mean "hwhy" in the named language:-

 Forms of the divine name in different languages, indicating international acceptance of the form Jehovah

 Awabakal – Yehóa

Bugotu - Jihova

Cantonese - Yehwowah

Danish - Jehova

Dutch - Jehovah

Efik - Jehovah

English - Jehovah

Fijian - Jiova

Finnish - Jehova

French - Jéhovah

Futuna - Ihova

German - Jehova

Hungarian - Jehova

Lgbo - Jehova

Italian - Geova

Japanese - Ehoba

Maori - Ihowa

Motu - Iehova

Mwala-Malu - Jihova

Narrinyeri - Jehovah

Nembe - Jihova

Petats - Jihouva

Polish - Jehowa

Portuguese - Jeová

Romanian - Iehova

Samoan - Ieova

Sotho - Jehova

Spanish - Jehová

Swahili - Yehova

Swedish - Jehova

Tahitian - Iehova

Tagalog - Jehova

Tongan - Jihova

Venda - Yehova

Xhosa - uYehova

Yoruba - Jehofah

Zulu - uJehova

[END QUOTE]

      From that clip as we can see the pronunciation is not universal! If God’s name is Yahweh why then they didn’t mention the name of God as YAHWAH in the bible when they translated it? Oh, the claimed the personal name of God was too holy to mention so the remove it and replaced it “Lord or God” against the will of God even though they don’t know for sure which is the correct pronunciation.

     Now, let look at the fore letter word “YHWH”.

This is also a clip from another thread at a discussion forum on the Internet. From a JEHOVAH WITNESS:

 [QUOTE] Jehovah, name of the God of the Hebrew people as erroneously transliterated from the Masoretic Hebrew text.  The word consists of the consonants JHVH or JHWH, with the vowels of a separate word, Adonai (Lord).  What its original vowels were is a matter of speculation, for because of an interpretation of such texts as Exodus 20:7 and Leviticus 24:11, the name came to be regarded as too sacred for expression; the scribes, in reading aloud, substituted “Lord” and therefore wrote the vowel markings for “Lord” into the consonantal framework JHVH as a reminder to future readers aloud.  The translators of the Hebrew, not realizing what the scribes had done, read the word as it was written down, taking the scribal vowel markings as intrinsic to the name of their God rather than as a mere reminder not to speak it.  From this came the rendition Jehovah.  The evidence of the Greek church fathers shows the forms Jabe and Jâo to be traditional, as well as the shortened Hebrew forms of the words Jah (see Psalms 68:4, for example) and Jahu (in proper names).  It indicates that the name was originally spoken Jaweh or Yahwe (often spelled Yahweh in modern usage).  Etymologically, it is a third person singular, imperfect, probably of the verb hawah (or hajah), signifying “to be.”  The older interpreters explain the verb in a metaphysical and abstract sense; the “I am”* of Scripture is “He who is,” the absolutely existent."-Contributed by: Saul Lieberman From "Jehoavh" Microsoft® Encarta® 96 Encyclopedia. [END QUOTE]

 

  I guess, since the scribes are afraid of the Hebrew’s God, I am most certain they would not tamper with his’ name; God's personal name has been removed from the texts of the Holy writings and replaced with a verb. You see it mentioned: “It indicates that the name was originally spoken Jaweh or Yahwe (often spelled Yahweh in modern usage). Etymologically, it is a third person singular, imperfect, probably of the verb hawah (or hajah), signifying “to be.”  The older interpreters explain the verb in a metaphysical and abstract sense; the “I am”* of Scripture is “He who is,” the absolutely existent probably of the word hawah”

      If we can look at the verb hawah the older interpretationI AM” of the scripture is “HE WHO IS,” THE ABSOLUTION EXISTANCE”

You will recognize that they replace God’s name with an “attribute (VERB): hawah” which mean “He who is”. Let me put is in caps: HAWAH; that is the same verb there in http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=ex+3:14&it=nas&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1&l=en - Exodus 3:13-15 .

 

 “I AM” is direct speech and

“He Who is” THE ABSOLUTION EXISTENCE” is indirect speech, correct?

So y h w h comes from the verb “hawah.”

Now, the short form is “Yah or Yaw ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=03050 - ) and the verb is “hawah.” 

Let’s join the two together: We have YawHaWaH or YaHuWaH.

And Ya is for Oh and HuWaH is for He who is or He is whom he is.

Now we have: YHWH = YaHuWaH meaning: Oh, he is whom he is

Now let’s go back to the original word back to Genesis. It read:

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=ge+2:4&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0428 - is the http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08435 - of the http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08064 - and the http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0776 - when they were http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01254 - , in the http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03117 - that the http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0430 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=06213 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0776 - and http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08064 - .

The word http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068 - translates from the Hebrew’s word YHWH which is YaHuWaH and mean: “Oh, he is whom he is”

And the word http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0430 - translates from the Hebrew’s word ELOHIM

So “ http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0430 - ” should rightly translate as “Oh He who is Elohim or Oh He is Whom He is Elohim”

 

  And as we know, Hebrew and Arabic is Semitic languages, they are sister language. So we can get a little help: HaWaH (Hebrew) = He who is; and HuWa (Arabic) He is.

From the Qur’an:

Qul huwa Allahu ahadun      قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ (112:1)

112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only.

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=de+6:4&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08085 - , O http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03478 - ! The http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068 - is our http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0430 - , the http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068 - is http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0259 - !

Correct translation: Here O Israel! Oh He Whom He is our Elohim, Oh He Whom he is one.

 

In Islam we were thought that God’s name is Allah. Before we do anything we were thought to say Bis-mil-lah (In the name of Allah)

In the book of Revelation 19:4 we find the same pronunciation when praising God Almighty in Heaven:

“And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=239 - - ” (Rev.19:4)

   The original word there is “a(llhlouiÅa/” and the transliteration is  “Alleloia” and they give this Definition: “praise ye the Lord, Hallelujah”

Does the word “Alleloia” sound like Hallelujah or Alloh? It sounds more like Allah. The twenty elders and four beasts fell down (prostrated like Muslims does) saying Praise Allah; and not “praise ye the Lord, Hallelujah”; they were worship Elohim saying Alleoia (praise Allah)…the word Jesus (S) used for God in Aramaic. They didn’t say, Praise yhwh (Yahweh or Jehovah). Note: The word Alleloia is not a Greek word it is the original pronunciation the used in heaven and it has been retain in the bible in every language; YAHWAH does not retain in every language the bible was translated, I give proof above.

 

      Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, the remains of the library of a Jewish sect from around the turn of the Era, are many compositions in Aramaic. These new texts also provide the best evidence for Palestinian Aramaic of the sort used by Jesus and his disciples. ( http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html - < http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html - >

 

     What was the word used for God in Aramaic? Go to the Aramaic Lexicon and Concordance: http://www.peshitta.org/lexicon/ - type it in the search bar then type the word “God”

This is what you will come up with: Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaH

(Western) AaLoH

 

     Knowing that they remove God’s name and replace with a verb “HAWAH”; and knowing that Jesus (S) called Him “ALLAH” It would be fitting to replace God original name in the bible.

http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=08085 - - "Hear , O http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03478 - - Israel ! The http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068 - - is our http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0430 - - God , the http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=03068 - - LORD is http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=0259 - - one ! http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=de+6:4&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - - Deut. 6:4

Which should translate as: “Here O Israel! Oh He Whom He is our Elohim, Oh He Whom he is one.”

And replace with the Name ALLAH: “Here O Israel! Allah is our Elohim, and Allah is one.”

Allah revealed the crookedness of the Jewish’s scribes:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it (i.e., the bible) into a LIE.   (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) place, and say “We hear and disobey,”…and but few of them will believe. (Q.4:46)


  Jesus said: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy KINGDOM COME...

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same “my name shall be great among the Gentiles”; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 1: 11)

Br. Zainool



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 31 December 2013 at 8:10pm
 

Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. (John 10:25) 

And it says here in http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=joh+12:13&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - John 12:13

Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=joh+12:13&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - John 12:13

WHICH NAME? Can any Christian please show us where the Messiah (S) comes in God’s name?

   Jesus (S) did not speak in God’s name but Muhammad (S) did. I knew according to the writings of the bible it says, he speaks “In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost” – Father is not God’s name!

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+1:31&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Luke 1:31  

And he said:

"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+5:43&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - - John 5:43 )

    Does the father name pronounce Jesus? I mean that is how the Christians pronounce it when they pray! They don’t even pronounce the Messiah’s name as Yeshua” which they claimed is the original pronunciation. Even the original pronunciation is not Yes-shua, rather it is Ye as an E and shua as sou which pronounce as Yesou; the original pronunciation is still in the Greek which is “Ihsou” You don’t have to believe me check it out for yourself on the net.

      They don’t know for sure even how the Messiah’s (S) name pronounces because the original is in Greek which is Ihsou then transliterate to Iesous and then they translated it in Hebrew as Yeshua conveniently because Yeshua mean salvation; whereas the word pronounce as “Ih” as an E and “sou”.


http://classic.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=2424 - http://classic.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=2424

Now, let’s look at Jesus’ (S) original name in the N.T.: “Greek – Ihsou” transliterate to “Iesous”. If you drop the “s” which they add we get “Iesou” Is that sound like Yeshua or Isa (Arabic)? All they did was when they transliterated “Ihsou” into “Iesous” they then change “I” into “J” (Iesous to Jesous and drop the “o”: Jesous = Jesus). The name Jesus is foreign to Ihsou and Iesou and sound more like Isa and not YAHWAH OR I AM.  In the1611 King James bible it translate as  “Iesus”

 (But while hee thought on these things, behold, the Angel of the Lord appeared vnto him in a dreame, saying, Ioseph thou sonne of Dauid, feare not to take vnto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceiued in her, is of the holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a sonne, and thou shalt call his Name Iesus: for hee shall saue his people from their sinnes.

22 (Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the Prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a Uirgin shall be with childe, and shall bring foorth a sonne, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted, is, God with vs.)

24 Then Ioseph, being raised from sleepe, did as the Angel of the Lord had bidden him, & tooke vnto him his wife:

25 And knewe her not, till shee had brought forth her first borne sonne, and he called his name Iesus)

( http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Matthew-Chapter-1/ - http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Matthew-Chapter-1/

So Jesus (S) did not come in God’s name.

 Note: verse 22-23 says "they shall call his name Emmanuel" and it is in BRACKETS WHY?


This is an explanation a Christian reply to me how they arrived with the Greek name of the Messiah (S) on a discussion forum on the Internet:

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A word or a name in Hebrew which begins with a YODE (Hebrew Y) would have to be transliterated into Greek using an IOTA (Greek I) and would likely be followed by an ETA (Greek E) or an OMIKRON (Greek O), depending on the phonics of the original word. Since there is no letter in Greek equivalent to the Hebrew YODE the Greek IOTA (followed by another vowel to mimick the required sound) is the next best thing. Transliteration is a mimicking or "best rendering" type of work, not an exacting science. A word or a name in Greek which begins with an IOTA would then be transliterated into English using the letter I. In such cases the I would sound like a Y and if we knew for certain the origins of the first word from which the Greek transliteration was conducted (in this case being a Hebrew word that starts with a YODE) we would be justified in bypassing the I altogether and using the Y instead, that’s where Iesous is coming from and from the Jews.

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       You see when they established hard proof what happen? Know the “fact”:  They original word is “Ihsou” then transliterated to “Iesous”. To get the original pronunciation we have to transliterate it from the original back into Hebrew: Greek is “Ihsou” transliterate back to Hebrew is “Yhsou” or “Iesou” to “Yesou” same pronunciation in Arabic “Isa!” I guess it didn’t pronounce “Yeshua” and “Jesous” as in English; even if it spell “Yeshua” in Hebrew it should pronounce as Ye shua. Example: salaam (Arabic) and shalom (Hebrew) both mean peace; and Isa and Ye sha.

How they got the name “Yeshua”? When the translate it from original Greek (Ihsou) to Hebrew they used “Joshua” in the O.T.  which is “Yoshua” because they claimed that Yoshua is the closes Hebrew word to Greek word Ihsou. So both Prophet Yoshua of the O.T. and the Messiah of the NT. Has the same name which they then give it a meaning "Jehovah is Salvation", CONVENIENTLY EAH?

How to pronounce the Messiah (S) name in Aramaic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivm4RbIeKc -

And Jesus (S) said:

"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+5:43&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - - John 5:43 )

Does God Almighty name Ihsou, Iesous or Yhsau? Jesus didn’t come in God Almighty name.

He came to make God’s name manifest to the people and they remove it.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. (John 17:6)

WHERE IS THE FATHER NAME?

BR. ZAINOOL


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 01 January 2014 at 8:25am
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HE SHALL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH

Jesus’ message was to inform his followers of the prophet who will come after him with all the truth; this is what he [Jesus (S)] said:

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but what he hears.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%20%2016:12-13&version=9 - - John.16:12-13 )   

 “All the truth” will come with the arrival of the Comforter. Here in the Book of Revelation chapter 10 mentioned the coming of another Book which John did not wrote and . It is mentioned:

“And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven. 2-And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth. 3-And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice. 4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, and write them not.” Rev.10:1-4

·       Point (1) Another Mighty Angel: Jesus (S) is not another mighty angel; it is Gabriel (s) the messenger of Allah who brought the message to and from Allah.

·       Point (2) He had in his hand a little book open: V.2 And he had in his hand a little book open:

·       Point (3) Seventh thunders uttered their voice (something was revealing): V.3...And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice.

·       Point 4: John was about to write what was revealing: V.4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write:

·       Point 5: He was told to seal up the message and write them not: V.4…and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunders utters, and write them not. (Rev.10:4)  

    The angel brought the little book and John was order “not to write down the message in that book,” because the time was not right. “So it is not the bible (a part of the collection of book),” because the bible is a “written book” and it (the bible) is telling us about “another book.” Which book is that? 

Further as you read in Verse 7 it says:

“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound: the mystery of God should finish as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev.10:7)

     In the days when this little book shall reveal all the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed). The book was never written according to the voice from Heaven: “seal up those things…and write them not.”

   Now, “Begin to sound” mean “revealing” In the days when this little book shall reveal “all the mystery” (That is “all the truth”) of God will finish (revealed, no more mystery) as he declared to his servants the prophets.

 And this is what Jesus (S) said:

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but what he hears.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%20%2016:12-13&version=9 - - John.16:12-13 )   

 Therefore, the Spirit of Truth which is the Comforter would have to bring this little book which contains all the truth. 

 And in 10:4 it says: John was about to write… So when this Book will reveal “some one” will have to be there to “write the message down.” Allah has revealed to Muhammad (S):

“…And We have sent down to thee (O Muhammad) the book (the Qur’an) explaining all things, a guide, a mercy, and Glad Tiding to Muslims.” (Q.16:89)

“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Q.5:3)

10-And I (John) took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and eat it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. (Rev.10:10)

 We know that John did not eat the book, he read the book and the truth was sweet but practicing the law was bitter.

11-And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many people, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev.10:11)

  Why prophesy again? Because he had already went, so he has to go back again to inform them about the coming of the universal book that he did not wrote.

  Allah (S) mentioned:

We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all mankind…but most of mankind knew not”. (Q.34: 28)    

                                   

That seal book was mentioned in Isaiah 29: 11-12 and it was given to an illiterate prophet.

And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - - Isaiah.29: 11 (KJV)

And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 - - Isaiah.29: 12 KJV)

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammads_first_revelation - : Muhammad (S) used to go up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: “read” and he respond by saying: “I am not learned,” the angel repeat the act three times, then Muhammad (S) began to repeat the command of the angel which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur’an. 

Read: In the name of thy Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Q.96:1-5)

   Allah conform it in the Quran:

Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat {Torah} and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q.7:157).

   Torah: Isaiah29:12 and Gospel: John 16:13 “…for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear” [from angel Gabriel (S)].

And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q.53:3-5)

Br. Zainool

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 01 January 2014 at 8:36am
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11-And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many people, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev.10:11)

  Why prophesy again? Because he had already went, so he has to go back again to inform them about the coming of the universal book that he did not wrote.

  Allah (S) mentioned:

We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all mankind…but most of mankind knew not”. (Q.34: 28)                                        


  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014&version=9 - : COMING OF THE UNIVERSAL BOOK

It is mentioned in the bible http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - - Rev.14: 6-7 :

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - - Rev.14:6-7

Note: The word “gospel” is Good News”; in other words the angel was bringing the “everlasting Good News”. The everlasting Good News was yet to come; Jesus (S) gospel (Good News) could not be for all time. Jesus (S) already on earth with his gospel (Good News), he could not be the “another angel” with everlasting Good News. The everlasting Good News is the little book that mentioned in Revelation 10:1-11 another angel with a little book which John did not wrote but is yet to come; and the coming of it is clearly stated in Revelation 14:7

“…another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting Good News…” Rev. 14:7

That means, the everlasting Good News have to come from Heaven having an angel bringing it.

It says in verse 7:

“Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!”

Not the Day of Judgment, because the angel was bringing what? The “everlasting Good News to preach; it was a judgment to preach” and that was the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong. In other words, coming of the everlasting Good News then Judgment will come.

This is what mentioned in the Qur’an:

Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1)

“Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13: 37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur’an 2:185)

“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)

A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196)

And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

…it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

…so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50)

ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)

And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13: 37)

 What Revelation 14-7 says? It says:

Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!”

Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong.

And Jesus (S) said: 

“And when he (the Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin, and righteous, and judgment.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:8&version=9 - - John.16:8

  Adding further, when Judgment comes the Comforter will used it to reprove the world (Gentiles) and the Comforter has to be a “person.” according to http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:1-4&version=9 - - Isaiah 42:1-4

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.” 3-A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:1-4&version=9 - - Isaiah 42:1-4

For the LAW was given by Moses… ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:17&version=9 - - John.1:17 )

Moses (S) was a law giver and here the Comforter is a new law giver!

 After the coming of the universal Rev.14:12 say:

“…here are they that keep the commandment of God, and the faith of Jesus…”

That conforms that the “Everlasting Good News” is the commandment of God, the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong), and the true teaching of Jesus (S) which is his faith.

Also in verse 13 after that book the everlasting Good News which is the universal commandment of God would have come and all those who follow it and died after they will be blessing for their labor and work and they will be judge by it.

…Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord henceforth yea, said the Spirit, that they may rest from their labor; and their work do fallow them. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:12-13&version=9 - - Rev.14:13 )

…and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the book, according to their works. (Rev. 20:12)

…and they were judged every man according to their works. (Rev.20:13)

 

This is what Allah (S) said:

Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding there sustenance in their Lord…The (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.” (Q.3:169-1700)

“Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger” [The Qur’an, 17:15],

“On the day when every soul will be confronted with all the good it has done, and all the evil it has done, it will wish there were a great distance between it and its evil. But Allah cautions you {to remember} Himself.” (Q.3:30)

 

To my Christian’s brothers and sisters, Allah (S) has given you the noble call to save you from eternal damnation, He (S) said:

O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you…” (Q.4: 47)

Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

THEN HE (S) WARNS:

Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,”


Br. Zainool



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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 01 January 2014 at 1:22pm
 
Saul , Shaool , Paul, ( Never ) was a Disciple of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ! How do I know ? According to Saul , Shaool , Paul , Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus chose him as his instrument for carrying his teaching to The Gentiles who were not of the House of Israel . ( Acts 9 ; 15 - 16 ) . Saul , Shaool , Paul acclaimed vision is the only evidence Saul , Shaool , Paul could produce for his bid for the leadership of The New Church Saul , Shaool , Paul , would raise , No wonder the jews were highly skeptical about the whole claim and would not listen to him . Let's take a look in The Bible where Saul , Shaool , Paul contradicts himself three times . This is the behavior of a liar . A liar have to repeat his lie Two or more Times with each version differing from the next until he ultimately prove himself a Liar . He eventually reveals the truth he was trying to hide all along .
 
Contradiction One ; ~ Act 9 - 4 - 7 , And I Quote ; And he fell down on that planet earth and heard a voice saying to him , Saul why did you persceute me and he said who are you master ; And the master said I am Yashu'a whom you persecuted it is hard for you to kick against the point . And he trembling and astonished said the master what will you have me to do ? And the master said to him arise and go into the city and it shall be told to you what you must do . And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless hearing a voice but seen no man .
 
In the above quote , Saul , Shaool , Paul says that ( He Alone Fell To The Ground ( Earth ) and then he proceeds to say that the men who journeyed with him stood speechless , Hearing a voice , ( But Seeing No Man ) . We see in Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 that Saul , Shaool , Paul was about to be killed by the people of the city of caesarea for preaching to the jews amongst the gentiles that they should forsake Moses and not circumcise their children or follow their custom . Saul , Shaool , Paul was saved by the soldiers and centurions who took him to the castle unto the chief priest and there Saul , Shaool , Paul says ...
 
Contradiction Two ; ~ Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 , And I Quote ; And I fell onto the ground and heard a voice saying to me Saul Saul why are you persecuting me ? And I answer who are you Master and he said to me , I'am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute . And they that were with me saw surely the force of light , . And were afraid but did not hear the voice of him that spoke to me .
 
Now , In this quote Paul says ( He Alone Fell To The Ground ) . He proceeds to say that the men who were with him , ( Saw The Light ) , But heard not the voice of him who spoke . But he had just said in Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 . '' ( Those who journeyed with him , Heard a voice . But saw not a man ) !
 
We now go to Acts 26 ; 13 - 14 , To find the third contradiction . At this point , Paul is defending himself before King Agrippa ;
 
Contradiction Three ; Acts 26 ; 13-14 , And I Quote ; At midday O ruler I saw in the way a force of light from the sky above the brightness of the halo shining around me and them which were traveling with me . And when we were all falled down on that part of the planet earth I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in a Hebrew Dialect Saul , Saul , Why did you persceute me ? It's hard for you to kick against the sticks .
 
After we listen to Paul's Contradictions , It make it very difficult to Believe that Paul ever had a vision . Paul is a liar and his own words confirm it !! Romans 3 ; 7 .
 
Having the behavior of A Liar , As usual , Paul continued to prove himself A Liar . In none of the other quotes had he said that Jesus ( Spoke To Him In The Hebrew Tongue ! However , In the following quote , ( Acts 26 ; 16 ) , Paul says that Jesus appeared to him to make him a Minister . Is this why Paul though he was supposed to be a disciple .
 
Acts 26 ; 14 - 16 , And I Quote ; And when we were all fallen down on that part of the planet earth I heard a voice speaking to me and and saying in a Hebrew Dialect Saul Saul why did you persecute me ? It's hard for you to kick against the sticks . And I said who are you master and he said I am Jesus whom you persceute , But rise and stand up upon your feet for I have appeared to you for this purpose to make you a servant and a witnessboth of these things which you have seen and of those things which I will make appear for you .
 
Let's look at the word Minister in Aramic ( Hebrew ) , Since Paul said Jesus spoke to him in Aramic ( Hebrew ); And in Greek , Since it's the language Luke wrote in .
 
In Greek - - - Minister , [ Huperetes ] An under -Oarsman , I.E. ( Gen ) subordinate ( Assistant , sexton , constable ) ; - - Minister , Officer , Servant ; From the prim . Root [ Hupol ] Meaning under of place [ Beneath ] . Or with verbs [ The agency or means , Through ]; Of inferior position or condition , And speacially covertly or moderately .
 
In Hebrew - - - Minister , [ Sharath ] A prim . Root ; To attend as a menial or worshipper ; Figurative ; To contribute to ; Minister ( Unto ) , ( Do ) Serve , Wait on .
 
In Arabic - - - Minister [ Khaadim ] Meaning a servant , A waiter ( See 26 ; 16 Of Acts , For the word ) .
 
Paul took this word to mean '' Disciple '' - How ??? He was fluent in the Aramic ( Hebrew ) language ( Acts 21 ; 40 ; 22 ; 2 ) . So there's no way he could have mistaken the two words He Did It On Purpose !!
 
The word Minister does not refer to '' Apostle ''  Nor '' Disciple '' Paul was ( Not Apostle or Disciple according to the definition of the words !!!
 
In Arabic , Hebrew , And Greek , All share the same definition for Disciple , As a Student '
 
Arabic { Tilmeeth } - Literally , Meaning young Student .
 
Hebrew { Limmuwd or Limmud } Meaning , Instructed , Disciple , learned from the root [ Lamad ] < aramic > Meaning '' To Goad , To teach ''
 
Greek [ Manthetes ] Meaning , Learner ( Pupil , Dsiciple ) from [ Manthano ] or Matheo ] Meaning to learn ( In any way ) .
 
The same three languages also share the same definitions for the Apostle
 
Arabic  [ Rasool ] Meaning '' One sent messenger ''
 
Hebrew [ Basar ] A Prim . Root ; '' To Be Fresh , Announce ( Glad News ) ; Messenger ''
 
Greek  , [ Apostolos ] '' Ambassador messenger , Envoy , One who represent the sender '' .
 
As you can see there is definitely a distinction between the two words in all Three Language .
 
So we can agree that Paul fits neither definition '' And Paul knew it !!! So , Due to Paul lies , You now have Preachers today walking around calling themselves '' Christian Ministers '' They don't use the word '' Rabbi'' As Jesus was called in ( John 1 ; 38 , John 1 ; 49 ; 3 ; 2 ) .
 
Paul Was A Liar !!! I've shown you that ! So why are Christian Preachers using Paul's title if they're supposed . To be following the reaching of Jesus ? I'll tell you why ... because ( They're Not Following Jesus !!! ) They just talk - Or they would be named '' Rabbis '' or '' Teachers '' Of Jesus and not '' Ministers '' After Paul . These people are Paul's Ministers , Teaching Paul Ministry !! They are not coming to you in the name of the real Messiah Jesus . They just lie and say they do . They are The Anti-Christ ( Matthew 24 ; 5 24 ) !!!  And I Quote ; For many shall come in my ( Name )  saying . I am Christ , and shall deceive Many . Verse 24 . For there ( Shall Arise False Christ ) And ( False Prophets ) , and shall show great sign and wonders ; insomuch that if it were possible , they shall ( Deceive The Very Elect ) .
 
This quote is talking about those lying so-called heads of your churches and denominations . The head or leader of you Religious congregations should be called Rabbis after Jesus if that's what he used . The word Minister , As you now know , means Servant . Now let's look at the word Rabbi ''
 
In Arabic '' Rabbi '' Come from the root word Rabba , Which means ; Rabba ; To be master , Be lord ... have command or authority ( Over ) ; To raise , Bring up .
 
Rabb ; Lord ; Mast ; owner , proprietor , Rabba ; Mistress ; Lady '' - Rabba Al Menzil , The lady of the house . ( Hans Wehr Arabic - English Dictionary )
 
In The Hebrew language Rabahg < aramic > Comes from the root word Rab <aramic > Meaning ; Rab ; Captain , Chief , Great , Lord , Master , Stout .
 
In the Greek language the word Rabbi is ; Rhabbi ; ( Of Hebrew ) My master as an official title of Honor ; - Master , Rabbi . ( Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible ) .
 
As you can see each of these language agree - The Greek , The Aramic ( Hebrew ) And The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) . However , If you notice within the Greek definition of the word '' Rabbi '' It tells you that the word came from the Hebrew language . So this means that the teaching of the real messiah Jesus went from the original language of Galilaen Arabic to Hebrew , Then Greek , Which resulted in a change in the original teachings . The language of New Testament should not have been Greek . Because the language of Jesus was not Greek . Yet , The Christian influence was Greek . Then when these English Scholars translated the New Testament to the English language more altered words were evident .
 


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 January 2014 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


 
So we can agree that Paul fits neither definition '' And Paul knew it !!! So , Due to Paul lies , You now have Preachers today walking around calling themselves '' Christian Ministers '' They don't use the word '' Rabbi'' As Jesus was called in ( John 1 ; 38 , John 1 ; 49 ; 3 ; 2 ) .
 
Paul Was A Liar !!! I've shown you that ! So why are Christian Preachers using Paul's title if they're supposed . To be following the reaching of Jesus ? I'll tell you why ... because ( They're Not Following Jesus !!! ) They just talk - Or they would be named '' Rabbis '' or '' Teachers '' Of Jesus and not '' Ministers '' After Paul . These people are Paul's Ministers , Teaching Paul Ministry !! They are not coming to you in the name of the real Messiah Jesus . They just lie and say they do . They are The Anti-Christ ( Matthew 24 ; 5 24 ) !!!  And I Quote ; For many shall come in my ( Name )  saying . I am Christ , and shall deceive Many . Verse 24 . For there ( Shall Arise False Christ ) And ( False Prophets ) , and shall show great sign and wonders ; insomuch that if it were possible , they shall ( Deceive The Very Elect ) .
 
This quote is talking about those lying so-called heads of your churches and denominations . The head or leader of you Religious congregations should be called Rabbis after Jesus if that's what he used . The word Minister , As you now know , means Servant . 
 
Salaam, very explicit! Thanks for that input!

My next post was to expose the Antichrist. With that info. and and what Ye- shua (S) said conforms Paul's message. have a look at it:

THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND THE DEVIL’S INFILTRATION

JESUS (S) TELLS US WHO CHRISTIANS IS REALLY FOLLOWING:

Let’s look at Matthew13: 24-30 where Jesus (S) Prophesy the coming of the kingdom of God in parable and the devil infiltration.

It is mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - - Matthew24

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many”. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - - Matthew24 :4-5 

 Did Muhammad (S) come in Jesus (S) name and say I am Christ? No! Did the Angel that spoke to Muhammad (S) claim that he is Jesus (S)? No!

Let us look at Paul encounter:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%209:1-8&version=9 -

·       1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

·       2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

·       3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

·       4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

·       5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

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What Jesus (S) said? He said:

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - - Matthew24 :5    

Note: Paul never met Jesus (S) and he said: “he saw a light” and “heard a voice” and the voice claimed that: “he is Jesus”

 What is most striking is the divine word the voice mentioned is: “it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%209:1-8&version=9 - KJV. Is that a word from God or the Devil?

 

Jesus (S) prophecy the Devil will also have a message here to deceive the world.

Remember in Matthew 6:31-32 it mentioned:

The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32) 

And I’ve explained that, the “grain of mustard seed” is “a message”; and “the man” is “the one who will delivered that message”. Well the enemy also sowed a seed which is the Devil; He also will have a message that people will follow; both message will run parallel. Jesus (S) prophecy it in verse 25 and 39.

·       24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”

·       25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

·       26 “But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

·       27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

·       28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

·       29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

·       30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matthew13: 24-30)

 

He explained to the disciples the parable:

 Matthew13:36-44

·       36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

·       37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; Matthew13:36-37

   The son of man mentioned there is not Jesus (s) because he was talking about how the kingdom of God will come and that is by sowing of a see which is a message. I have established before that the kingdom of God will come when the man child that mentioned in Revelation 12 when he would have come. Jesus knew of him thus he addresses him as the son of man. It’s in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3:13&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%203:13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 (KJV).  

 “And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God… (Rev.12:5-10.)”

 

That man child Jesus (s) also call him “the son of man” it is in John 3:13.

“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is ‘IN’ heaven.” http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3:13&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%203:13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 (KJV)

  Jesus (S) was the Son of man “ON” earth and he spoke about “another” Son of man which is “IN” heaven. 

The good seed are those who follow the kingdom of God / the universal message.

·       38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

·       39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Matthew13:38-39

The Devil also sowed a seed here, he has a false message here also but when did that happen? That happens when Paul had the visit, which he claimed that it was Jesus (S) whom he never met nor saw before.  Let’s look at his encounter, Acts 9:1-8

3And as he (Paul) journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%209:1-8&version=9 -   

 

   Paul never met Jesus (S) and he said: “he saw a light” and “heard a voice” and the voice claimed that: “I am Jesus”. What Jesus said?

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - - Matthew24 :5.

 

The Devil has sowed tares (falsehood) among the wheat (truth) 

Then that falsehood later established a foundation at the counsel of Nicaea Council 325 A.D. the new form of Christianity: http://www.islamtomorrow.com/bible/NicaeaCouncil325.htm -

Then After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims in 638, the new form of Christianity under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade -   [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation: And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition” (Rev.17:11).  It was Great Britain and the west the Devil used to sow his tares (children of the wicked one) universally against the children of the Kingdom of God (Those who followed God’s universal message).

·       40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  and buyeth that field.


The kingdom of God is like in treasure in the field.

·       44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, 45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

·       46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

“Treasure” is Knowledge of the “everlasting Good News” and “field” is the “world”. The universal message would be like treasure hid in the world people would not recognize it but who recognize it they would spend the wealth to acquire and learned it.

 

Using the O.T. and N.T. to explain the Kingdom of God

 Matthew13:47-52

·       47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

·       48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

·       49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

·       50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

·       51Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

·       52then said he unto them, therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

 “His treasure (knowledge)” using the old message (O.T. and N.T.) to make clear the new message (everlasting good news) the Qur’an! That was also mentioned in Isaiah 42: 9.

behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do i declare: before they spring forth i tell you. (Isaiah 42:9)



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Understanding the mysteries of the parable!

 

·       And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+8:10&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -  

·       And the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) must first be published among all nations. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+13:10&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Mark 13:10

For whosoever will save

his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's (Good News of the Kingdom of God), the same shall save it. ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+8:35&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Mark 8:35 )

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) to every creature. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+16:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -


Br. zainool




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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 02 January 2014 at 2:07pm
Sorry picking out certain parts of my post doesn't change the whole post Saul , Shaool , Paul, ( Never ) was a Disciple of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 January 2014 at 2:08pm

      Jesus (S) teaches the coming of the Kingdom of God in parables but not all who received the true message of Jesus (S) will believe. In Matthew 13: 3-9 he describes himself as the “sower” who went forth and teaches the Good News of the coming of the Kingdom of God:

Matthew13:3-9

·       3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

·       4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

·       5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

·       6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

·       7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

·       8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

·       9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


Jesus (S) explained the parable of the sower who preaches the coming of the “word of the Kingdom (coming of the universal message the Quran)”

Matthew13:18-23 

·       18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

·       19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

 What is the “word” of the Kingdom? The “word” of the Kingdom is the “Good News” of the kingdom meaning, the good news of Jesus (S) informing us of the coming of the Kingdom of God: “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Good News of the kingdom of God (Mark 1:14). It is In Luke 8:11 it deals with the same story and He (Jesus (s) explain the seed is the word of God which is the Good News: “ Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God”.(Luke 8:11).

Not everyone who claimed to believe him will follow his true message, he said:

·       20But he that received the seed onto stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

·       21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

·       22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

·       23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty

The true followers of Jesus (S) will accept the final and universal message the Qur’an.


Not everyone will recognize the kingdom of God

Matthew13:10-17

·       10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

·       11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

·       12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

·       13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

·       14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

·       15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 The people who will understand are the ones who see, hear and understand with his “heart”.

·       16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear not.

·       17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.  

·       And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) to every creature. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+16:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - (the coming of the everlasting Good News: The Qur’an)

Allah (S) said:

·       We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to all mankind…but most of mankind know not. (Q.34:28)

·       Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

·       ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… (Q.4: 47)

·       None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not Allah hath power over all things?  (Q.2:106) 

·       Children of Israel! Call to mind the (special) favors which I bestowed upon you, and I preferred you to all others (of your time period, in the past). (Q.2:47)

·       …in that they (Jews) broke the Covenant; that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right…Allah hath set the seal on their heart for their blasphemy…that they REJECTED FAITH… (Q.4:155-156)

·       Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) place, and say “We hear and disobey,”…and but few of them will believe. (Q.4:46)

From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q.5:14)

…and the disciples were called Christians first in An-ti-och. (Act.11:26)


HE (S) WARNS:

Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,” (2:159)

Qur. 5:78 CURSEs were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

Qur. 2:161 Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's CURSE, and the CURSE of angels, and of all mankind;

Br. zainool



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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 02 January 2014 at 2:10pm
Sorry picking out certain parts of my post doesn't change the whole post Saul , Shaool , Paul, ( Never ) was a Disciple of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus  just in case you miss it

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Posted By: Placid
Date Posted: 03 January 2014 at 1:56pm
Hi Truth,

Quote: ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you… (Q.4: 47)

Response: --- I think rather than always wanting to curse the ones who do wrong, you should check verses like this one and see if there were any people who were true believers, like in Surah 5:
82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
83 And when they listen to the revelation received by the Apostle, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.
84 "What cause can we have not to believe in God and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?"
85 And for this their prayer hath God rewarded them with gardens, with rivers flowing underneath, - their eternal home. Such is the recompense of those who do good.

86 But those who reject Faith and believe not Our Signs, - they shall be companions of Hell-fire.



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 03 January 2014 at 2:29pm
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Jesus (S) believe and preach Islam (submit to the will of God) He said: "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me". [John 5:30]

“WHO IS JESUS (S) FATHER? Jesus (S) said:

“…Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and YOUR FATHER; and MY GOD, and YOUR GOD.” (John 20:16-17 AKJV)

According to him, his Father is “OUR GOD and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, He said: “MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.”

SO THE VERSE SHOULD READ: "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the GOD which hath sent me". [John 5:30]

That is he believes in “Submit to the will of God ” which is “Islam” in Arabic.  “Submit to the will of God” is not new religion, all the prophets in the pass believe in “submit to the will of God (Islam)”.


If we go back to the origin of man, the first man Adam (S) as the scriptures established, we would recognize that he was order by God Almighty to “submit to His will” in order to received help and guidance; thus, he believed in “submitting to God’s will” which when translates in to Arabic would be “ISLAM”. So Islam was there from the very beginning of Adam (S). The Qur’an is just the last message to all mankind [The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)…But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. (Q.3:19)]. It is God Almighty who chooses the name “ISLAM” for his religion. (This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. Q.5:3)

All prophets believe in the “submission to God’s will (Islam)

“For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).” (Qur.16:36); and ‘We sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom’.” (Qur.14:4)

For example Jesus (S) was sent to the Children of Israel:

 “But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven (The Qur’an) is at hand.” (Matthew 10:5-6)

Muhammad (S) on the other hand was sent as a universal Messenger to all mankind, Allah (S) mentioned in Qur’an:

We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all mankind…but most of mankind knew not”. (Q.34:28)

 

BELIEVE IN THE ONLY ONE TRUE GOD ALLAH

We all came from the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, then a nation, then many nations and tribe. Revelation was sent to mankind since the beginning for guidance and Allah (S) mentioned, those people did not differ among themselves except through selfish contumacy and Allah (S) honored the most righteous among the mankind.

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).  (Qur.49:13)

Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the people of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He will to a path that is straight.” (Qur.2:213)

The noble call to people of the book:

Say: "O people of the Book! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will). (Q.3:64)

 

DEATH PENELTY FOR NOT BELIEVE IN THE GOD OF THE JEWS

The God of the Israelites declared death penalty in Deuteronomy 13:6-9 and in Chronicles 15:13, if anyone even your own brother or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend encourage you to secretly worship other deity than the God of Israel he or she must put to death.

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)

Jesus (S) in his final message he looks up to the Heaven and gives thanks to God Almighty for affording him to give eternal life to all whom God Almighty has chosen; and that is to believe in the one true God and Jesus the Messiah whom He has sent.

“1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.”(John 17:1-2)

This is what he said:

3And this is life eternal, that they (the disciples or who call themselves Christian) might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou (the only true God) hast sent.” (John 17:1-2); And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%204&version=9 - )

That is the declaration of faith at the time of Jesus (S), in other words, is to believe in no other deity except the one true God Allah (S) and Jesus (S) is the messenger of Allah (S) and you will received ETERNAL LIFE. Same declaration Muslims make except that at the end they say, Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S). That is to say: “I testify that there is no other deity except Allah (S) and I testify that Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S).”

Br. zainool



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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 03 January 2014 at 5:43pm
The word '' God '' among '' English '' - speaking people is considered to be the name for the '' Supreme Being '' in the Universe , yet according to the English dictionary , ( Webster ) a '' Being '' is '' Any Living Thing Or Person '' . Allah is definitely more than just a '' Thing '' . Allah can neither be a '' Supreme  Person , '' for a person is identified by a physcial body . Those who believe that the Creator took shape in a body must also believe  that Scientists , mere men , have complete Knowledge of the Nature of the Universe and the answer to the final WHY ( WHY /  is why w, why ) .
 
This is plain stupodity . This is to say that since the Scientist , through Research and Experimentation , has learn the Human Body as far as knowing the number of Bones and Cells and Heartbeats Per Minute and the Composition of the Brain , Etc , One would say that things which seem wonderous and Unexplainable are now brought down to a level of Explanation . Therefore one would be inclinded to assume that they ( Scientists ) have complete Knowledge of these things , more so than any other Individual . Yet , that Scientists ( Man ) has Blood . If exposed to the degree of Heat , His Blood  would Boil and therefore immobillize his Body .
 
 If exposed to Extreme Pain , It may become too Unbearable for his Sense and the Body may become Dead to all Sensation - whether it is a state of Shock or Death . Not only are These things evidence of the Impossiblity of the Creator being a '' Person ''  but a person could be Stabbed or Shot , or Run Over , in short , a person could be Wounded or Killed . So , you see , No Man  has the final answer , and the idea of the Creator of All having a Flesh and Bone Body is perfectly ridiculous ; how can he have Created the Extreme Heat or the Sun without it destroying Him in the procees ? Think About That . The Belief that Allah , Or the Creator Of All Life , can do anything is also incorrect .
 
There is one thing that the Creator Cannot Do ; That may Sound Very Strange , But That One Thing Is ; The Ability To Regress .Allah Cannot Become Less Than Himself . Otherwise He Would No Longer Be Allah .  Man is the image and the likeness of Allah without the Divine Qualities . If anything was taken out of the all , It would no longer be the all . something ( that which was removed ) would be missing . Let us take a look at word , e.g Pear . Changr the small p . to a capital P . This does not change the meaning of the word , or give it any Divine Qualities , or make it an object of Worship .... the same goes for the word '' god '' The word '' god '' with a lower case '' g '' is the exact same word with a upper case '' G''  A '' G '' is still a '' g '' and a God is still a god , which is still Polytheism . If you believe that your Creator is All Powerful , and nothing can be compared to Him , why do you insist upon calling Him by a name that could be applied to anything ; Man and / or Woman and / or Animal and / or object ?
 
It is obvious that most '' Moslems / Muslims or whatever titles they use to call themselves , have accept the Fallacy that '' God is the English '' Equivalent '' of Allah . There Is No Such Thing As An Equivalent To Allah !! Take A Good Look At Your Qur'an .
 
Holy Qur'an 112 ; 1 - 4 , And I Quote ; Muhammad Tell Them The Meccans Allah Is The Source ,  < Ahad > Who Is Alone . The Source , Allah Needs Nothing , Foe He Is < Al Samad > Has No Deficiencies  . ( Neither Mother Nor Father Has He , And ) He Was Not Conceived ( By A Sexual Intercourse Of Any Two Mortal Beings ) ; Nor Did He Conceive ( An Individual Mortal < Walad > Son ) . And No One Is < Kufuwaan > Equal To Him .
 
Furthermore , we know this to be a Fallacy because of the fact that Allah , the name of the '' One Who Gives Us Life '' , is the same in all Languages . This word cannot , and need not , be Translated . '' The Breath Of Life '' is the same in any Languages , Our very Breath tells us whom we should give thanks to , simply because with every Breath we involuntarilly say '' Allah '' the name of '' He Who Gives Life .
 
Holy Quran 2 ; 163 , And I Quote ; And  Ilaahukum ( Your El / Allah ) Source , Is < Waahidun > One Ilaahun ( Allah / El ) Source . No Ilaaha (  El / Allah )  Source ' Would Exist If He ( Hu -The Creative Force Of Will ) , Didn't Creat Him ; Huwa Is < Al Rahmaan > The Yielder , < Al Rahiym > The Merciful .
 
A - Life Ilah - Nothing , No Creator Except Allah ; Muhammad Is The Apostle Of Allah , And Muhammad Ahmad . The Guide , Is The Successor Of The Prophet Muhmmad ( Peace And Blessing Of Allah Be Upon Him ) .  new born bears Witness To Allah . Listen to Him / Her cry ; '' Allah '' A '' is the pre-sense of the Life Giver '' LLAH came about when Man began to Doubt , and Question , and cast suggestions as to Partners , And Trinities , and just out and out Polytheism ; even to the point of Worshipping Specchless , Motionless , Powerless Images , Or something even Dead People .
 
Holy Qur'an 13 ; 16 , Say ; Who Is The Rabb Of < Al Samaawaat > The Skies ( The Firmaments  , And < Al Ard > The Planet Qi / Tiamat ? Say ; The Source , Allah , Say ; Then , Did You Take Beside Him < Awliyaa-a > Near Friends - ( Idols ) Who Do Not Have Dominion , Nor Can They Benefit Nor Harm Themselves ? Tell Them This ( Muhammad ) ; 'Are The Blind And The Seeing Equals ? Or Is < Al Zulumaat > Darkness And < Al Nuwr > Light Equal ? Or Have They Make For Him < Shurakaa -a > Associating Partner Who Have Created As < Kalqihi > Creator  Of Everything And He Is < Al Waahid > The One , < Al Qahaar > The All Dominant .
 
They would worship just about anything other than the oneness of Allah ( The Creator ) and '' LLAH '' because a part of The Word .
 
John 1 ; 1 ( Arabic Bible ) . In The Beginning Was The Word And The Word Was With Allah And Was The Word Allah
 
Kalimat  ~ No Creator Except Allah ; Muhammad Is The Apostle Of Allah , And Muhammad Ahmad . The Guide , Is The Successor Of The Prophet Muhmmad ( Peace And Blessing Of Allah Be Upon Him ) .
 
The name ; Allah , surpasses all other names for the Creator , In as far as both meaning and origin are concerned . GOD - is composed of the initials of three ( 3 ) words ; which celebrate Human Attributes Only . 1 . Gumar - meaning Wisdom , 2 . Oz ( or Uz ) - meaning Strength , 3 . Dabar - meaning Beauty .
 
A god or God could have a Goddess . Their is no feminity compatible or comparable to Allah . The name which one calls his Creator is far from Trivial . It Expresses the extent of one's  Overstanding , and the amount of reverence one has rowards his Creator . The Children of Israel were not allowed to call the Creator by his name . The Creator Demans  that we call Him by His Name .
 


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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 03 January 2014 at 5:44pm
Holy Qur'an 18 ; 57 , And I Quote ;  And Who Acts More Unjustly , Than He Whom Has Been Reminded With Signs Of His Rabb ? So He Turns Away From Them And He Has Forgotten That Which His Hands Has Offered Surely We Have Made Over Their Hearts < Akinnatan > A Covering  That They Will < Yafqhuwhu > Be Wise And Have Understanding In Its Law And Divinity ; And In Their Ears , Is A <  Waqraan > Deafness And If You Call Them To The Leading Calmness ; So , Then They Will Never Be Lead Into Calmness .
 
Some of these '' gods '' were men , other were mythical characters . Many '' Muslims '' Fail to Overstand that to the '' Christian '' God '' is a '' Trinity ' which also deems Them Polytheists . And when speaking to a '' Christian , And Allah is referred to as '' God '' or '' God Allah '' you , too are Guilty of Polytheism . The Christian Worship  Jesus Who Some Call God  .
 
The Three Qualities ; Wisdom , Strength , and Beauty are grossly inadequate to define one's Creator . Allah ( The Creator And Sistainer Of All ) . Created these qualities , He is ;
 
1 . Al Hakam  - No human being can say He / She is The Wise . Confirms the fact that '' The '' Wise is the most Wise , or the All Wise . meaning one who has All Wisdom , and controls the extent of learning in the Universe , in which man betakes small amounts of it and calls it understanding . A man may be Wise by possessing some of this understanding , but to Allah belongs the title of  Al Hakam - The Wise .   Allah Is  '' Lord Of All The Knowledge In The Universes .
 
Holy Qur'an 1 ; 1 - 7 , And I Quote ; Begin All Things Using The Name Of The Source Allah The < Rahman > Who Is The Most Merciful . All Gratitude Is For Him < Rabb > The Sistainer Of All The Known Worlds . The Yeilder , The Merciful . Ruler Of The Day Of Decision  . It Is You We Are Slaves For , And You We Ask For Help . Calm Us For The Way Of The Ones , Who Stand Up Straight , ( The Agreeable ) . The Way Of Those Who You Have Bestowed Your Grace ; Not Those Who Have Been Cursed , Nor Of Those Who Have Gone Astray . ( The Disagreeable ) .
 
Holy Qur'an 6 ; 59 , And I Quote ;  And He, The Source , Allah Has The < Mafaatihu > Keys , Of < Al Ghyabi > The Hidden Things , And No One Knows Them Except Him  And He Knows What Is In < Al Barri > The Dry Land And What Is Under < Al Bahri > The Sea ; And There Does Not Fall A Leaf Except Which He Knows ( Of ) It ; And There Isn't A < Zulumaati > Darkness Of < Al Ardi > The Planet  < Tiamat ) Earth , Nor Anything < Ratbin > Wet , Nor < Yaabisin > Dry That Is Not In A Clear Scripture - ( Qur'aan ) .
 
2 . Al Muqit - The Strengthener ; The one who bestows Strength . Not only is He The Bestower of physical strength , but by the mental strebgth Allah bestows upon man . Man is able to make Machines which are even more capable than man himself . Therefore , Al Muqit - The Strengthener - The one who gives strength , cannot be a mortal  , as the word '' Oz '' implies .
 
Holy Qur'an 37 ; 96 , And I Quote ; And The Source , Allah Has < Khalaqakum > Created You All , And That Which You < Ta'maluwn > Make ( Idols ) .
 
3 . Al Mussawir  - is the Fashioner . The Master Designer who Fashions beauty . Man labels things '' ugly '' or beautiful , '' but Allah created the criterion , the ultimate , and as such He cannot be classified .
 
Genesis 1 ; 27 ( Arabic Bible ) ,  And I Quote ;  So Allah Created Man In His Own Fashioning , In The  Fashioning  Of Allah  Created He Him ; Male And Female Created He Them .
 
When man is choosing what he should call Beautiful , And what he should call Ugly in Allah's Creation , What may be Beautiful to one man could very well be Ugly to another .
 
 Holy Qur'an 49 ; 11 , And I Quote ; Oh You , Those Who Believe , Ridicule Not A Nation From Nation . It May Be That Be Good From Them ; And Not Woman  From Woman , It May Be That Be Good From Them , And Find Fault Your Own Souls , And Not Call One Another Name Defaming By The Nickname . Miserably Wretched The Name , The Withdrwing  Form The Right Way After Faith  And Who Definitely Not Turns Repenting , So These Are You , The Unjust , Darkness .
 
When we're in Danger , or when we want something , we do not call Allah any Nicknames . Upon stumbling off a Cliff , before we could even think of what to say , we're calling Him , '' Aa ... '' that '' Aaa '' was already explained as the Breath Of Life . So , we see the Unconscious Expression  of Seeking assistance from a universal Life Giver in a universal language . How long will '' Christians '' who claim to follow the Scriptures , continue to go against those same Scriptures . No Where In The Scriptures Does It Say To Call The Life Giver '' God '' .
 
John 10 ; 34 - 35 ( Arabic Bible ) , And I Quote ; Jesus Answered Them , Is It Not Written In You Law , I Said , Ye Are Gods ? If He Called Them Gods , Unto Whom The Word Of Allah Came , And The Scriptures Cannot Be Broken .
 
Looking at the original Script , '' Arabic '' one sees that the sole reason for confusion of Christians and '' Muslims '' alike is the Translation , the English . In this quote , Isa ( Jesus Pbuh ) is not saying that '' Ye Are Allah '' .
 
Holy Qur'an 5 ; 116 , And I Quote ; And When . The Source , Allah Asked '' O Isa < Ibn > Adopted Son Of Miriam , Did You Ever , Say To The < Naas > To Take Me Isa , And Your Mother ( Miriam ) As Two Allahs , Besides The Source , Allah  He , Isa Said Glory Be To You ( The Source ) ; It Is Not In Me To Say A Thing I Had No Right To Say Of The Facts ! If I Had Said So , You Would Have Known . You Know What Is In Myself  ; And I Don't Know What Is In Yourself . Surely , You , ( The Source ) Knows < Al Ghuyuwb > The Unseen Things .
 
The Scriptures Does Say To Call Him To Call Him By His Holy Name ( S ) ;The First ( 1st ) One Being , Allah - The Life Giver .
 
 


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Posted By: Placid
Date Posted: 04 January 2014 at 2:28pm
Hi Truth,

I see that you ramble quite a bit in your presentation, so I will just pick out one thing at a time.

Quote: For example Jesus (S) was sent to the Children of Israel:
“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven (The Qur’an) is at hand.” (Matthew 10:5-6)

Response: --- You are mixing two Scriptures together to try and make it say something that you want it to.
--- Notice this in Matthew 4:
24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.

When Jesus went around the countryside, He healed all that came to Him, and here He was n Syria. --- But when he gathered His 12 disciples, to start training them, --- He sent them only to the Jews, because they, like all Jews were prejudiced against the Samaritans and other nations, so they had to learn discipline at home,

---So, it starts this way in Matthew 10:
1 And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
--- (Where it says “And preach, saying, “The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.” --- It referred to the Spiritual Kingdom that Jesus was introducing the true believers to. --- Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world,” --- So this is His Kingdom, which is on the other side of death, --- That is why He had to go through death in order to be resurrected.)

This was the first time that Jesus sent the disciples out on their own, so this was a ‘field trip’ in their training, in the first of their three years with Jesus.

After Jesus had risen from the dead and He appeared to the disciples, eleven of them had been faithful to follow Him and He gave them this commission in Acts 1:
7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

And when the Day of Pentecost came (in Acts 2), they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said, --- And their commission was “to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.” --- Which they did.

--- It confirms that Jesus was a Messenger for all people in Surah 19:
20 She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
21 He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.

And it says again in Surah 21:
91 And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples.

Placid


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 04 January 2014 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Sorry picking out certain parts of my post doesn't change the whole post Saul , Shaool , Paul, ( Never ) was a Disciple of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus
Salaam!

My reply didn't conform that Paul was a disciples, what it does, it conforms that Paul did had some kind of vision but not from Allah (S), and that voice he claimed he heard choose him to be a Minister and not a Disciples, that is why when he went to King Agrippa he lied that the voice spoke to him in Hebrew tongue to convince him.

Note: He didn't see any man, he assume it is Jesus (S) because the voice told him so. That is where Jesus (S) prophecy comes in: “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - - Matthew24 :5   
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”

·       25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

·       26 “But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

·       27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

·       28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

·       29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

·       30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matthew13: 24-30)



36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

·       37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; Matthew13:36-37

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

·       39The enemy that sowed them (Paul's doctrine) is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Matthew13:38-39

To conform that, the force that is attacking Islam is Paul's message carrying by Christians which is still here.

Br. zainool



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 04 January 2014 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by Placid

Hi Truth,

Quote: ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you… (Q.4: 47)

Response: --- I think rather than always wanting to curse the ones who do wrong, you should check verses like this one and see if there were any people who were true believers, like in Surah 5:
82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
83 And when they listen to the revelation received by the Apostle, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.
84 "What cause can we have not to believe in God and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?"
85 And for this their prayer hath God rewarded them with gardens, with rivers flowing underneath, - their eternal home. Such is the recompense of those who do good.

86 But those who reject Faith and believe not Our Signs, - they shall be companions of Hell-fire.

Peace to you!

Sorry if you believe that! I am only trying to explain what is hidden from people who claimed to follow the Jesus (S) so that they can recognize the above verse.

I did post a message directly addressed that on another post, here it is: 

Jesus (s) said:

"33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. (Matthew 13:33)

I have decided to bring to every one attention that the above verse I have leaved out from the download link I have given on the first post. The reason for that, I was not sure of its meaning. I knew the “woman” represents the “Church” and I have given an explanation in revelation 12 of how the church was divided into two groups but here it mentioned three groups (three measure of meals), which at the end they will unite. That means, the true message was hidden within those three groups and in the end they will recognize the whole truth. Does any one know who that other group is? Well it is from the people of the book; they believe in the God of Abraham (S).

Allah (S) has point them out in the Quran:

…And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, We are Christians Because among these are men devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (Q.5:82)

Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book is a portion that stand (for the right)…they rehearse the Sign of Allah all night long… (Q.3:113)

What we are witnessing now is the beginning of the unification. If you don’t believe me just keep abreast with the news. The Devil Church (The free Mason church caring Paul doctrine to concur the world, the “New World Order”) has already exposed and the world recognizes it."

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You can find it o this link: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23760&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23760&PN=1


http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23760&PN=1 - TNC



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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 05 January 2014 at 5:21am
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Sorry picking out certain parts of my post doesn't change the whole post Saul , Shaool , Paul, ( Never ) was a Disciple of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus
Salaam!

My reply didn't conform that Paul was a disciples, what it does, it conforms that Paul did had some kind of vision but not from Allah (S), and that voice he claimed he heard choose him to be a Minister and not a Disciples, that is why when he went to King Agrippa he lied that the voice spoke to him in Hebrew tongue to convince him.

Note: He didn't see any man, he assume it is Jesus (S) because the voice told him so. That is where Jesus (S) prophecy comes in: “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - - Matthew24 :5   
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”

·       25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

·       26 “But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

·       27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

·       28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

·       29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

·       30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matthew13: 24-30)



36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

·       37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; Matthew13:36-37

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

·       39The enemy that sowed them (Paul's doctrine) is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Matthew13:38-39

To conform that, the force that is attacking Islam is Paul's message carrying by Christians which is still here.

Br. zainool

 
Like said Paul Never Ever met Isa , Yashu's Jesus the Prophet / Messiah nor did he follow the laws of Moses as  Isa , Yashu's , Jesus the Prophet / Messiah did . Paul did his own thing , Meaning he written his own doctrine . Any way Paul wrote letter and letter are not Scriptures .


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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 06 January 2014 at 3:29pm
It seems that for Christians Paul has taken Jesus' place in guiding, and he (Paul) contradicts what Jesus seems to be preaching, as we have seen in the study. We can let God sort their affair if they reject the knowledge and truth that is made clear to them.
Hasan


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 07 January 2014 at 11:07pm
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Originally posted by Placid

Hi Truth,

I see that you ramble quite a bit in your presentation, so I will just pick out one thing at a time.

Quote: For example Jesus (S) was sent to the Children of Israel:
“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven (The Qur’an) is at hand.” (Matthew 10:5-6)

Response: --- You are mixing two Scriptures together to try and make it say something that you want it to.
--- Notice this in Matthew 4:
24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.

When Jesus went around the countryside, He healed all that came to Him, and here He was n Syria. --- But when he gathered His 12 disciples, to start training them, --- He sent them only to the Jews, because they, like all Jews were prejudiced against the Samaritans and other nations, so they had to learn discipline at home,

---So, it starts this way in Matthew 10:
1 And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
--- (Where it says “And preach, saying, “The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.” --- It referred to the Spiritual Kingdom that Jesus was introducing the true believers to. --- Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world,” --- So this is His Kingdom, which is on the other side of death, --- That is why He had to go through death in order to be resurrected.)

This was the first time that Jesus sent the disciples out on their own, so this was a ‘field trip’ in their training, in the first of their three years with Jesus.

After Jesus had risen from the dead and He appeared to the disciples, eleven of them had been faithful to follow Him and He gave them this commission in Acts 1:
7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

And when the Day of Pentecost came (in Acts 2), they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said, --- And their commission was “to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.” --- Which they did.

--- It confirms that Jesus was a Messenger for all people in Surah 19:
20 She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
21 He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.

And it says again in Surah 21:
91 And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples.

Placid
Peace unto you!

Placid, don’t try that with me. Jesus (S) was not talk about “his” Kingdom; he was talking about the Kingdom of God to come, which is another message. The problem is, you don’t know what the kingdom is so your defense is “Spiritual kingdom”. I’ve showed you clearly that it was a message to come but you ignore it or you don’t overstand it.

I didn’t rumble in now where, all I did is try to make it simple for the lay men because they are ones who were deceive the most and they are the masses.

This is very clear:

His disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:20&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Luke 17:20 )

 

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)

The “grain of mustard seed” is a message, and the “man” is the one who will deliver that message, and it mentioned in Revelation 12 and 14. The coming of that message is the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth.

 In the book of Revelation Chapter12 it mentioned the coming of a “man child” who would have rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival “then” Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come, God’s Law (his will) shall establish on earth Meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation 14 conforms that.

“And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God… (Rev.12:5-10.)”

That would be after the demise of Jesus (S)

When Jesus (S) used the word “Kingdom of heaven” he is referring to the “same” kingdom to come. Let me explain it for you, I guess you still stock with Paul’s doctrine.

 THIS IS HIS PRIME MISSION:

He said: “I must preach KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV)

 

IT’S ALL IN THIS MATTHEW 6: 9-10

Jesus (S) said: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy KINGDOM COME, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10)

It’s here: “10Thy kingdom come, “Thy will be done in earth”, “as it is in heaven.”

Meaning: The Heavenly Kingdom is as same as the one to come on earth, the message that rule them “in Heaven” the same one would rule them “on earth” when it comes the creator name will be sanctifies.

 

THIS IS WHAT  SPIRITUAL ABOUT IT:

His disciples thought that the kingdom of God would come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:20&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Luke 17:20 )

 

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)

The “grain of mustard seed” is a message!

And Jesus (S) said: “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Lu 17:21)

If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when it would have comes and you heard the message you believe and accepted it with your whole heart. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed (message)] to Muhammad (S):

Allah (S) said: “Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.” (Q.26:192-194)

IT'S A MESSAGE:

Jesus (S) said: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10)

Jesus (S) preached when the Kingdom of God would have come then "THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH...in others words "SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH OR I should say ISLAM would be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 08 January 2014 at 9:03pm

Originally posted by Placid

Hi Truth,

I see that you ramble quite a bit in your presentation, so I will just pick out one thing at a time.

Quote: For example Jesus (S) was sent to the Children of Israel:
“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven (The Qur’an) is at hand.” (Matthew 10:5-6)

Response: --- You are mixing two Scriptures together to try and make it say something that you want it to.
--- Notice this in Matthew 4:
24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.

When Jesus went around the countryside, He healed all that came to Him, and here He was n Syria. --- But when he gathered His 12 disciples, to start training them, --- He sent them only to the Jews, because they, like all Jews were prejudiced against the Samaritans and other nations, so they had to learn discipline at home,

---So, it starts this way in Matthew 10:
1 And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
--- <> (Where it says “And preach, saying, “The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.” --- It referred to the Spiritual Kingdom that Jesus was introducing the true believers to. --- Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world,” --- So this is His Kingdom, which is on the other side of death, --- That is why He had to go through death in order to be resurrected.) 

This was the first time that Jesus sent the disciples out on their own, so this was a ‘field trip’ in their training, in the first of their three years with Jesus.


Placid
Peace unto you!

Lesson 2

Let me break it down for you. Jesus (S) said, he came to that which was “lost”:

He said: “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. Mt 18:11

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Lu 19:10

What was “Lost”? It was the sheep of the house of Israel!

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15:24

Healing other people doesn’t change his claimed!

What you don’t understand here?

But he answered and said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”??? 

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” (John 1:11) ???

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles ???,

and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel… ??? (Matthew 10:5-6)

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” (John 1:11)???

Quran conforms:

3:48 (Y. Ali) "And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,

3:49 (Y. Ali) "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message)…

Now where in the writings it mentioned Jesus (S) claimed he was sent to the Gentiles but in Mark 16:15 mentioned he sends his disciples to preach the Gospel to all creatures (Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creatures. Mark 16:15). That doesn’t in anyway conforms the he was sent to all creatures; what it did, it conforms, he sent his disciples to preach the Gospel to all creatures. The question is what Gospel he was talking about?

To clarifies that we have to know what Gospel Jesus (S) was talking about and what was his mission to the children of Israel.

His mission to the Children of Israel was to fulfilled the laws for them and inform them of the coming kingdom which is a new law to come:

He said: “For verily I say unto you (Israelites), Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven....."(Matthew 5: 18-19)

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 10:5-6)

Quran conforms:

3:50 (Y. Ali) "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

Now, when he send his disciples out into the world was not to preach the Law to them the law was for the Israelite, he send the to preach the Gospel.

What “Gospel” he was talking about, is the bible? No, the bible is a collection of books. The Gospel he was he was instructing them about was to go and inform the world of the “Good News of the coming of the Kingdom of God which is another message to come.

 

Here is lesion 3

THE WORD “BIBLE” AND ITS DEFINITION 

Let’s look at the word “Bible”. The Bible (from Greek ὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the books") is the collections of the primary religious text of Judaism and Christianity.

There is no common version of the Bible, as the individual books (Biblical cannon), their contents and their order vary among denominations. Mainstream Judaism divides the Tanakh into 24 books, while a minority stream of Judaism, the Samaritans, accepts only five.

The 24 texts of the Hebrew Bible are divided into 39 books in Christian Old Testaments, and the complete Christian Bible range from the 66 books of the Protestant canon to the 81 books in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible, to the 84 books of the Eastern Orthodox Bible.


From the Bible Dictionary

Bible definition

Bible, the English form of the Greek name _Biblia_, meaning "books," the name which in the fifth century began to be given to the entire collection of sacred books, the "Library of Divine Revelation." The name Bible was adopted by Wickliffe, and came gradually into use in our English language. The Bible consists of sixty-six different books, composed by many different writers, in three different languages, under different circumstances; writers of almost every social rank, statesmen and peasants, kings, herdsmen, fishermen, priests, tax-gatherers, tentmakers; educated and uneducated, Jews and Gentiles; most of them unknown to each other, and writing at various periods during the space of about 1600 years: and yet, after all, it is only one book dealing with only one subject in its numberless aspects and relations, the subject of man's redemption. It is divided into the Old Testament, containing thirty-nine books, and the New Testament, containing twenty-seven books. The names given to the Old in the writings of the New are "the scriptures" (Matt. 21:42), "scripture" (2 Pet. 1:20), "the holy scriptures" (Rom. 1:2), "the law" (John 12:34), "the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms" (Luke 24:44), "the law and the prophets" (Matt. 5:17), "the old covenant" (2 Cor. 3:14, R.V.). There is a break of 400 years between the Old Testament and the New. (See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/APOCRYPHA - .) ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bible - )

From the above we can conclude that Jesus (s) never instruct anyone to go into the world and preach the “bible’ because the bible is a “collection of books” which Jesus (s) has no knowledge of when he said: “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creatures.” (Mark 16:15).

 

THE WORD “GOSPEL” AND THE MEANING

This is the definition they give you: the origin and the usage but also if we examine how it was by Jesus (s) we will arrive with a different meaning. Let’s read it from the Bible Dictionary.

Bible Dictionary

Gospel definition

 a word of Anglo-Saxon origin, and meaning "God's spell", i.e., word of God, or rather, according to others, "good spell", i.e., good news. It is the rendering of the Greek _evangelion_, i.e., "good message." It denotes (1) "the welcome intelligence of salvation to man as preached by our Lord and his followers. (2.) It was afterwards transitively applied to each of the four histories of our Lord's life, published by those who are therefore called 'Evangelists', writers of the history of the gospel (the evangelion). (3.) The term is often used to express collectively the gospel doctrines; and 'preaching the gospel' is often used to include not only the proclaiming of the good tidings, but the teaching men how to avail themselves of the offer of salvation, the declaring of all the truths, precepts, promises, and threatenings of Christianity." It is termed "the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20:24), "the gospel of the kingdom" (Matt. 4:23), "the gospel of Christ" (Rom. 1:16), "the gospel of peace (Eph. 6:15), "the glorious gospel," "the everlasting gospel," "the gospel of salvation" (Eph. 1:13). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gospel -

That is how they got the word “gospel”. It was translated from these two Greek words “Euaggelizo / Euaggelion” which literally mean “good news” So when you see the word “Gospel”, it should read as  “Good News”

Let’s look at the usage and its application in the New Testament. These two words “Euaggelizo / Euaggelion” which literally mean “Good News” and was miss translates as “Gospel”. In Luke Chapter 1: 1 -19 the Greek word “Euaggalizo” was used there for the “announcement” of the birth of John (S) to Zachariah.

Quote:

“The angel answered and said to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+1:19&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - )

The same Greek word “Euaggalizo” was used for the “announcement” of the birth of Jesus (S) in Luke 2: 1-10.

Quote:

“But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+2:10&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - )

As you can see the word “Good News” was used for making special announcement of importance.

Now, let us see how Jesus (S) used it. It mentioned in Luke 20:1  “And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders”, (Luk3 20: 1); and in Matthew 11:5 it mentioned: “The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.” (Matthew 11:5)

The same Greek word “Euaggalizo” was used there and was translates as “gospel”. As I have established before, the literal meaning of the word is “Good News”. Although the Greek word “euaggalizo” means “good news” they decided to invent a new meaning: “God spell, Good spell and then gospel to misguide people.

     What was the Good News of so important Jesus (S) was preaching? Now, let’s look at good mark 1:14 and Matthew 4:23 It read as follows:

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God”. (Mark 1:14)

23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23 KJV) 

      What is the gospel of the kingdom? Is there any such thing as “gospel of the kingdom”? The try to trick you there! It is the Good News of the Kingdom of God; Jesus (S) was preaching the Good News of the coming of God’s Kingdom. The Greek word “euaggolizo” which means “Good news” was used there and translates a “gospel”. It was correctly translated as “good news” in the New World Translation. So the verse should as follows: 

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the good news of the kingdom of God”. (Mark 1:14)

23Then he went around throughout the whole of Gal´i·lee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity among the people. (Matthew 4:23 NWT) 

The Good News Jesus (S) was preaching was about coming of the kingdom of God. Jesus (s) never teaches the good news of the grace of Grace of God, nor the good news of Christ, nor the good news of peace, nor the good news of salvation, or even the good news of the everlasting gospel (good news). The everlasting good news is another book that was yet to come from Heaven and it mentioned in revelation 14: 6-7, which I already established before, he also never teaches to believe in the bible. “Bible” is the English form of the Greek name _Biblia_, meaning "books," the name which in the fifth century began to be given to the entire collection of what they termed as sacred books, the name Bible was adopted by Wickliffe, and came gradually into use in our English language.

And just to add, the Qur’an also never in anyway conforms for Christians to judge by the bible (a collection of books). The Qur’an mentioned that the people of the book will be judge by the “revelations” that was revealed to their prophets and not a collection of books (BIBLE).

What Jesus (S) really thought his people it to “REPENT” and believe the Good News of the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth.

Jesus told them: “... saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the good news”. (Mark: 1:14)

 It says: “…The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe”;

The time is fulfilled: They were fully informed!

the kingdom of God is at hand: A new message is yet to come, so

 repent ye, and believe: Believe what? Believe the good news of the kingdom of God is at hand. This is what Jesus (S) was preaching, it was for you to “REPENT” and believe the “Good News” of the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth and that was the purpose, he said:

I must preach KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for THIS PURPOSE I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV)

So when he instructed his disciples to Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creatures (Mark 16:15), he was instructed them to go into the world and inform them of the GOOD NEWS OF THE COMING OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD WHICH IS ANOTHER MESSAGE.  THE QURAN THEN CONFORMS IT.

Br. Zainool



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 11 January 2014 at 10:12pm
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Originally posted by Placid

Hi Truth,

I see that you ramble quite a bit in your presentation, so I will just pick out one thing at a time.


After Jesus had risen from the dead and He appeared to the disciples, eleven of them had been faithful to follow Him and He gave them this commission in Acts 1:
7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

And when the Day of Pentecost came (in Acts 2), they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said, --- And their commission was “to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.” --- Which they did.

--- It confirms that Jesus was a Messenger for all people in Surah 19:
20 She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
21 He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.

And it says again in Surah 21:
91 And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples.

Placid

Plasid, Peace to you!

The day of Pentecost was a prophecy of Joel, not Jesus (S), the disciples already received the Ghost already in John 20: 21-22:

...as my father hath sent me, even so I send you (the disciple) and  when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, received ye the holy ghost.” (John.20: 21-22)

14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:  15for these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:14-16

I know they were looking for the “another Comforter, “A True Prophet with a True Spirit” in 1John 4:1.

He was in heaven: 

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - ).

Jesus (S) was the Son of man and was “on the earth”; he then spoke of another Son of man, which is “IN HEAVEN”

And John said:

 

 “Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT, but try the SPIRITS whether they are of God because many false PROPHETS are gone out into the world.” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+4%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25204%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=4&ncc=4 - )

 

John is saying you must look for a TRUE PROPHET with the SPIRIT of TRUTH strengthening him.

 

Br. zainool



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Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 13 January 2014 at 3:49pm
And I thought Muslims didn't accept the NT!

So why are you quoting Jesus?

Hasn't the Injeel - as you call it - been lost?



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 15 January 2014 at 5:59am
Originally posted by neil

And I thought Muslims didn't accept the NT!

So why are you quoting Jesus?

Hasn't the Injeel - as you call it - been lost?

 
 
Who told you this ??? Muslims and Christian should read each other Scriptures , So they would have a better overstanding of their Holy Book .


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Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 16 January 2014 at 1:37am
Can they both be holy if they disagree?

Can truth be black and white at the same time?

Regards

Neil

PS

Does Islam condone men having sex with animals?


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 4:11am
This is for neil the christian http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16514 - Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?


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Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 18 January 2014 at 11:16am
Dear Al Sdqn

I will gladly answer your question, if first you will answer mine:

Does Islaam condone humans having sex with animals?

Regards

Neil


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 7:29am
Originally posted by neil

Dear Al Sdqn

I will gladly answer your question, if first you will answer mine:

Does Islaam condone humans having sex with animals?

Regards

Neil
 
Where in The Holy Qur'aan does say the above Chapter and Verse only . Don't give me no Hadiyth 's / Website / Media = that not back up with the holy Qur'aan . The answer to your question is NO !


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Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 2:32pm
Dear Al Sdqn

The OT Bible speaks of great violence: wars, destructions by God as in Korah's Rebellion Numbers 16:1-50 NIV, plagues,etc

There is no evidence of any NT Christians do violence.

God bumped off Ananias ans Sapphira in the act of trying to bring lies in to the Church.

Many Christians were stoned like Stephen...

Fake christians? Now that's a different ball-game

Neil


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 7:08am
Originally posted by neil

Dear Al Sdqn

The OT Bible speaks of great violence: wars, destructions by God as in Korah's Rebellion Numbers 16:1-50 NIV, plagues,etc

There is no evidence of any NT Christians do violence.

God bumped off Ananias ans Sapphira in the act of trying to bring lies in to the Church.

Many Christians were stoned like Stephen...

Fake christians? Now that's a different ball-game

Neil
 
This is how its done according to the Scriptures
 
 
Jesus on Sexual Immorality , Adultery , and Child Abuse , Revelation 2 ; 20 - 23 , States And I Quote ; Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee , because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel which called herself a Prophetess To Teach  and to seduce my Servants  to commit fornication , and to eat things sacrificed unto idols . Verse 21 . And I gave her Space  to Repent of her fornication ; and she repented not . Verse 22 . Behold , I will cast her into a bed , and them that commit Adultery with her into great Tribulation ,  except they repent of their Deeds .
Verse 23 . And I will Kill Her Children With Death  ; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the Reins and Hearts and I will give unto every one of you according to your Works .
 
( 1 ) . Capital Punishment Crimes ; - Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests . Deuteronomy 17 ; 12 ,  States And I Quote ; And the man that will do Presumptuously  and Will Not Hearken  unto the Priest that standeth to Minister  there before the Lord  thy God  or unto the judge , even that Man Shall Die ;  and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel .
 
Kill Witches ;-  Exodus 22 ; 18 , States And I Quote ; Thou Shalt  not Suffer Witch  to Live .
 
Kill Homosexuals ; -  Leviticus 20 ; 13 , States And I Quote ; If a man also Lie  with Man Kind
as he Lieth  with a Woman both of them have Committed  an Abomination  they shall surely be put to Death ; their blood shall be upon them .
 
Kill Fortunetellers ; -   Leviticus 20 ;27 ,  States And I Quote ; A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit , or that is a Wizard  , shall surely be Put To Death ; they shall Stone Them With Stones ;  their blood shall be upon them .
 
Death For Hitting Dad ; - Exidus 21 ; 15 , States And I Quote ;  And He That Smiteth his Father  or his Mother  shall be surely Put To Death .
 
( 1 ) . Death For Cursing Parents ; - Proverbs 20 ; 20 , States And I Quote ; Whoso Curseth  his Father  or his Mother  his Lamp  shall be put put in obscure Darkness .
( 2 ) .  Leviticus 20 ; 9,  States And I Quote ;  For every one that Curseth  his Father   or his Mother  shall be surely put to Death ; he hath Cursed  his Father  or his Mother  his Blood shall be upon him . [ They Are Guilty Of A Capital Offense ]
 
Death For Adultery ;- Leviticus 20 ; 10 ,  States And I Quote ; And the Man that Committeth Adultery  with another Man's Wife  even he that Committeth Adultery  with his Neighbor Wife  the Adulterer  and the  Adulterer  shall surely be put to Death .
 
Death For Fornication ; -  Leviticus 21 ; 9 ,  States And I Quote ;  And the Daughter  of any Priest  , if she Profance herself by Playing The Whore  she Profaneth Her Father  ; she Shall Be Burnt With Fire .
 
Death To Followers Of Other Religions ; - Exodus 22 ; 20 ,  States And I Quote ; He That Sacrificeth  unto Any God  save unto the Lord Only  , he Shall Be Utterly Destroyed .
 
Kill Nonbelievers ; -  2Chronicles 15 ; 12 - 13 , States And I Quote ;  And they entered into a Covenant  to seek the Lord God  of their Fathers  with all their heart and with all their soul . Verse 13 . That whosoever would Not Seek The Lord God Of Israel Should Be Put To Death whether small or great whether Man or Woman .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Zechariah 13 ; 3 ,States And I Quote ; And it shall come to pass , that when Any  shall yet Prophesy  , then his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  shall say unto him , Thou Shalt  not Live  for thou Speakest Lies  in the Name  of the Lord ; and his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  Shall Thrust Him Through  when he Prophesieth .  
 
Kill The Entire Town If One Person Worships Another God ; -   Deuteronomy 13 ; 13 - 19 , States And I Quote ; Certain Men  the Children  of Belial  are gone out from among you , and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city , saying . Let us go and Serve Other Gods which ye have not known . Verse 14 . Then shalt thou inquire , and make search , and Ask Diligently and , behold , if it be Truth and the Thing certain , that such abomination Is Wrought Among  you . Verse 15 . Thou Shalt  surely Smite The Inhabitants Of That City  with the Edge Of The Sword Destroying It Utterly , and all that is therein , and the Cattle  thereof , with the Edge Of The Sword  . Verse 16 . And thou Shalt Gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof , and Shalt Burn With Fire The City ,  And all the spoil thereof every Whit  for the Lord Thy God ;  and it shall be an heap Forever it shall not be built again . Verse 17 . And there shall cleave Naught  of the Cursed Thing to thine hand ; that the Lord  may turn from the fierceness of his anger , and show thee mercy , and Have Compassion  upon thee , and multiply thee , as he Hath Sworn  unto thy fathers ; Verse 18 . When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord Thy God , to keep all his commandments which I Command   thee this Day  to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord Thy God .
 
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night ;-   Deuteronomy 22 ; 20 - 21 , States And I Quote ; But if this Thing  be True ,  and the tokens of Virginity  be not found for the Damsel . Verse 21 . They they shall bring out the Damsel  to the door of her Father's House ,  and the Men of Her City  shall Stone Her With Stones  that she Die  , Because she Hath Wrought  folly in Israel , to Play The Whore  in her father house ; so shalt thou evil way from among you .
 
Kill Followers Of Other Religions ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 7 - 12 ,States And I Quote ; Namely of the gods of the People  which are round about you night unto thee , or far off from thee , from the one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the earth . Verse 8 . Thou Shalt  not Consent  unto him , nor Hearken  unto him ; neither shall thine eye pity him , neither shalt thou spare , neither Shalt thou Conceal  . Verse 9 . But thou shalt surely kill him  thine Hand  shall be First upon him to Put Him To Death , and afterwards the hand of all the people . Verse 10 .
And thou shalt stone him with stones that he Die  , because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God , which brought thee out of the land of Egypt , from the house of bonfage . Verse 11 . And all Israel Shalt Hear  and fear , and shall do no more any such Wickedness as this is among you . Verse 12 . If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities which the Lord thy God  hath given thee to dwell there , saying .
 
( 2 ) . Deuteronomy 17 ; 2 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there be found Among  you within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee , Man  or Woman that Hath Wrought Wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God in Transgressing  his Covenant . Verse 3 . And haith gone and Served other gods and Worshiped them either the sun , or moon , or any of the Host of Heaven which I Have  not Commanded . Verse 4 . And it Betold thee , and thou Hast Heard of it , and inquired Diligently and behold , it be true , and the thing certain ; that such abomination is wrought in Israel , Verse 5 . Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman , which have committed that Wicked thing , unto thy gates , even that man or that woman , and shalt stone them with stones , till they Die .
 
Death For Blasphemy ;- Leviticus 24 ; 10 -16 , States And I Quote ; And the son of an Israelitish Woman whose father was an Egyptain , went out among the children of Israel and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel  strove together in the Camp . Verse 11 . And the  Israelitish woman's son Blasphemed the name of the Lord  and Cursed  . And they brought him unto Moses ; ( and his mother's name was Shelomith , the daughter of Dibri , of the Tribe of Dan ; ) . Verse  12 . And they put him in ward that the Mind of the Lord might be showed them . Verse 13 . And the Lord spake unto Moses saying . Verse 14 . Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp ; and let all that Heard  him lay their Hands upon his Head  and let all the Congregation stone him . Verse . 15 . And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel , saying , Whosoever  Curseth  his God Shalt Beat  his sin . Verse 16 . And he that Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , he shall surely be put to death , and all the congregation shall certainly stone him ; as well the Stranger  as he that is born in the land , when he Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , Shall Be Put To Death .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 1 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there arise Among you a Prophet  or a dreamer of dreams , and giveth thee a Sign   or a wonder , Verse 2 . And the sign or the wonder come to pass , whereof he Spake unto thee saying , Let us go after other gods which thou Hast  not Known  and let us Serve  them . Verse 3 . Thou Shalt  not Hearken  unto the Words  of that Prophet ,  or that dreamer of dreams ; for the Lord  your God Proveth you , to know whether ye Love  the Lord  your God  with all your Heart  and with all your Soul .
Verse 4 . Ye shall walk after the Lord  your God . and Fear  him and Keep  his commandments , and Obey his voice , and ye shall serve him , and cleave unto him . Verse 5 . And that Prophet  , or that dreamer of dreams , Shall Be Put To Death  because he Hath Spoken  to Turn  you Away from the Lord  your God which brought you out of the land of Egypt  , and Redeemed  you out of the House  of Bondage  to thrust thee out of the Way which the Lord  thy God Commanded thee to walk in . So shalt thou put the Evil  away from the midst of thee .
 
Deuteronomy 18 ; 20 - 22 , States And I Quote ; But the Prophet , which shall presume to speak a word in my name ,which I have not commanded him to speak , or that shall speak in the name of other gods  even that Prophet shall die . Verse 21 . And if thou Say  in thine heart , How Shall we Know the word which the Lord hath not spoken . Verse 22 . When a Prophet speaken in the name of the Lord , if the thing follow not , nor Come To Pass  , that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken , but the Prophet  hath spoken it Presumptuously thou Shall  not Be Afraid of him .
 
Their more where this come from
 
try reading your own Scripture before you point at others Holy Book


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Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 21 January 2014 at 12:32am
Dear Al Sdqn

You've missed the point.

I AGREE with you on the OT

The NT is a different matter.

It would be better if you could condense your reply down and make you point/s succinctly.

Is stoning adulterers, as still practised in Islam violence or retribution?

Regards

Neil


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 7:07am
Originally posted by neil

Dear Al Sdqn

You've missed the point.

I AGREE with you on the OT

The NT is a different matter.

It would be better if you could condense your reply down and make you point/s succinctly.

Is stoning adulterers, as still practised in Islam violence or retribution?

Regards

Neil
 
 
Some of you christian are so funny , You always want to tell other what to do , The Old / New Testament is full of Evil your God does to people .
 
Whenever you want to attack Islam , Use the Qur'aan to back of your cliam . Just like I show you the Evil your God does in your Scriptures ok .Also I don't read website link's , Website are for those who don't have any knowldge of their own Scriptures .  Overstand


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Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 3:02pm
dear untruthhas come

Luk 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he
answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you

The Kingdom of God is WITHIN you.

So that puts paid to your proposition that the Kingdom of God is the coming of the Quran.

Agree with me.

Regards

Neil                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 3:32pm
Neil,
you said about violence in your reply to Al Saadiqeen that "I agree with you on the OT, The NT is a different matter."
Yet as a Christian don't you believe them to be from same source, from same God? OT, and NT makes the "
Bible" You name you kids after those who are part of this violence in the OT. How do you explain the contrast?

From " Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1Samuel 15:3
To "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."Matt 5:39
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 23 January 2014 at 3:39am
Dear Honeto

Not all covenants God has made belong to all times:
there's the Edenic covenant,
covenant made with Noah,
...with Abraham,
the Mosaic covenant,
the New Testament covenant that Christ makes with His disciples

The Mosaic covenant is in the flesh: it involves physical actions and behavour - similar to Muslim obligations.

War with one's enemies was physical and brutal, to the death...to defend possession of The Promised Land that God had given them.

In the NT Paul says:
Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The Christian's battle is a spiritual one with the Lord of Sin, Satan.
A Christian has real, actual, ongoing, conscious fellowship with God ...until SIN overtakes him.
Then, like Adam, he falls from grace, fellowship with God.

The key to this obedience to the commands and examples as lid out in the New Testament.

It is a SPIRITUAL battle not physical.

Matt 5:39 I will deal with when I come back to my house again

Regards

Neil


Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 23 January 2014 at 1:47pm
Dear Honeto

With regards to Matthew 5:39 :

Christianity is to reflect the nature of Jesus who reflects the nature of God.

That aspect is essentially forgiveness.

When Adam fell ALL mankind from then on had No fellowship with God.
However, when people repent of their sins and bring the correct sin-offering to Him in faith, He forgives and they are restored back in to fellowship with Him.

The sin-offering is the blood of Christ.

It works! Before I didn't but now I do experience the presence of God Almighty.

Unfortunately for Muslims,who have been taught that Jesus never died on the Cross, there can be no restoration back in to fellowship with God.

I am not being patronising, but I feel a sorrow that you have locked yourself out from this wonderful blessing.

Can I be of any other assistance?

Regards

Neil


Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 23 January 2014 at 2:45pm
Dear Al Sdqn

So, what evil does God do in the NT?

Is this short enough and direct enough?

Regards

Neil


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 24 January 2014 at 6:10am
Judges 11:29-40 Where Its States , So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory.  He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites.  When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy.  When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish.  "My daughter!" he cried out.  "My heart is breaking!  What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back."  And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD.  You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites.  But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin."  "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months.  She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children.  When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin.  So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." 
 
 
1 Kings 13:1-2 Where It States ; At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice.  Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar!  This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David.  On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."
 
 
2 Kings 23:20-25 Where It States ; He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them.  Finally, he returned to Jerusalem.  King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: "You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant."  There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah.  This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign.  Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah.  He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple.  Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses.  And there has never been a king like him since 
 
Ezekiel 21:33-37 , Where It States ; As for you, son of man, prophesy: Thus says the Lord GOD against the Ammonites and their insults: A sword, a sword is drawn for slaughter, burnished to consume and to flash lightning, because you planned with false visions and lying divinations to lay it on the necks of depraved and wicked men whose day has come when their crimes are at an end.  Return it to its sheath!  In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you.  I will pour out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction.  You shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the land.  You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken. 
 
Judges 21:10-24 Where It States ;
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

 

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

 

    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'"  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

 



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Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 25 January 2014 at 2:05pm
Dear Al Sdqn

Since when were you put in place to judge God and who appointed you?

Is not God sovereign?
Have you not read the Law of Moses?
Did not Uzzah die when he touched the Ark of the Covenant

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Do you condemn God in the OT, yet applaud Allah for directing the stoning of such in Iran and Saudi Arabia even today?

Do you have double standards?

Is not the story of Jephthah but a type and shadow of Jesus being sacrificed?

Have you not read:
Lev 20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out?

God had and has given the land promised to Abraham and his decendants. When Israel is attacked God defends them.
2Ch 20:22 ¶ And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children
of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
2Ch 20:23

For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly
to slay and destroy them: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every
one helped to destroy another.

It's God's plan.
The multiple deaths of those who oppose God's plan then mirrors the myriads of people who deny God's plan today.

Did not Christ say:

Mat 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to
destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be
that find it.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

The true Christian knows he is saved, he is destined to have eternal life.
The Muslim man, hopes for the best, but doesn't know his destiny for certain, I believe. Correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Neil




Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 1:01am
Dear AS21

Of course, the great defeats that Israel inflicted on its enemies are a type and shadow of the defeats that OBEDIENT Christians inflict on the Devil, Satan.

Where Israel suffered defeat in past history, it was because of their disobedience to God's commandments/statutes.

1Jo 5:4     For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

OBEDIENCE = VICTORY
DISOBEDIENCE = SHAME and HUMILIATION

Regards

Neil


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 8:09am
Originally posted by neil

Dear AS21

Of course, the great defeats that Israel inflicted on its enemies are a type and shadow of the defeats that OBEDIENT Christians inflict on the Devil, Satan.

Where Israel suffered defeat in past history, it was because of their disobedience to God's commandments/statutes.

1Jo 5:4     For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

OBEDIENCE = VICTORY
DISOBEDIENCE = SHAME and HUMILIATION

Regards

Neil
 
I see your attacking my name , this show how weak minded you are
 
Evil is Evil no matter how you try to dress it up
 
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Old English yfel (Kentish evel) "bad, vicious, ill, wicked," from Proto-Germanic *ubilaz (cf. Old Saxon ubil, Old Frisian and Middle Dutch evel, Dutch euvel, Old High German ubil, German übel, Gothic ubils), from PIE *upelo-, from root *wap- (cf. Hittite huwapp- "evil").

"In OE., as in all the other early Teut. langs., exc. Scandinavian, this word is the most comprehensive adjectival expression of disapproval, dislike or disparagement" [OED]. Evil was the word the Anglo-Saxons used where we would use bad, cruel, unskillful, defective (adj.), or harm, crime, misfortune, disease (n.). The meaning "extreme moral wickedness" was in Old English, but did not become the main sense until 18c. Related: Evilly. Evil eye (Latin oculus malus) was Old English eage yfel. Evilchild is attested as an English surname from 13c.
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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 8:28am
Originally posted by neil

Dear Al Sdqn

Since when were you put in place to judge God and who appointed you?

Is not God sovereign?
Have you not read the Law of Moses?
Did not Uzzah die when he touched the Ark of the Covenant

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Do you condemn God in the OT, yet applaud Allah for directing the stoning of such in Iran and Saudi Arabia even today?

Do you have double standards?

Is not the story of Jephthah but a type and shadow of Jesus being sacrificed?

Have you not read:
Lev 20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out?

God had and has given the land promised to Abraham and his decendants. When Israel is attacked God defends them.
2Ch 20:22 ¶ And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children
of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
2Ch 20:23

For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly
to slay and destroy them: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every
one helped to destroy another.

It's God's plan.
The multiple deaths of those who oppose God's plan then mirrors the myriads of people who deny God's plan today.

Did not Christ say:

Mat 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to
destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be
that find it.

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

The true Christian knows he is saved, he is destined to have eternal life.
The Muslim man, hopes for the best, but doesn't know his destiny for certain, I believe. Correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Neil


 
I don't accept Testimony / Crying Christians ,  According to your own Scriptures I am God ,
 
The Gospel According to Jogn 10 ; 34 - 35 , Where It States , And I Quote ; 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; < K.J.V. >
 
The Book of Psalms 82 , 1 , Where It States , And I Quote ; God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
 
Stop side stepping my question . Show me in The Holy Qur'aan these evil things you speak of , Chapters and Verses , Like I do with your Bible .
 
Later for all that Garbage you been brain wash with , Its Show time .


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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 8:46am
neil According to your own bible it States , And I Quote
 
Exodus 15 ; 3 , And I Quote ; Yahuwa Is A Eesh ( Male Living Being ) Of Mil -Khaw -Maw ( War , Battle ) ; Yahuwa Is His Shame ( Name ) .
Yehweh Is A Male Living Being Of War ; Yehweh Is His Name .

In the quote above ( Exodus 15 ; 3 ) It is plainly telling you that your Lord Is A Man Of War and The Aramic ( Hebrew ) word used for War in this quote is Milkhawmaw <aramic > Meaning '' Battle , War '' . Then if you go to Exodus 26 ; 25 , God Say '' I ( God ) Will Bring A Sword ( Khehreb ) Upon You .... I Will Send Pestilence ( ( Dehber '' Cattle -Disease '' ) Among You ...

However , In Exodus 20; 13 , God commands the children of Israel '' Thou Shall Not Kill '' ...Which contradicts Exodus 32 ; 27 -28 Where God says ''' ...... Thus Saith The Lord God Of Israel . Put Every Man His Sword By His Side , And Go In And Out From Gate To Gate Throughout The Camp , And Slay Every Man His Brother , And Every Man His Companion , And Every Man His Neighbour .... And There Fell Of The People That Day About Three Thousand Men . ''

By using the word Fell '' . They mean . '' Killed Dead By God's Command '' . So your God just order's people he created killed not helped or changed . But turn's men into killers , And other men killed . Think . Tis is a good loving , Careing God , Right , Wrong . This Is The Devil . The Bible and Koran are books of The Devil doing all Kings of Evil as God / Allah .

Hello . Christians , Your '' God Is Confused ! He can't Make up his mind . One Minite he Kills and Commands his people to Massacre , And Kill . The next Minute he Command then Not To Kill , What happened ? I'll tell you what happened . Your God is '' Schizophrenic '' . The word '' Schizophrenic '' comes from the root word Schizophrenia meaning Schiz -O - Phre -Ni 'A , N , 1 , Any of a group of psychotic disorder usuall y characterized by withdrawal from reality . illogical patterns of thinking , delusions , and hallucinations , and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional , behavioral , or intellectual disturbance .
 
According to the different characteristics of God in your Scriptures . He is a Schizophrenic after he says in Exodus 20 ; 13 Not To Kill , He tells The Israelites in Deiteronomy 7 ; 1-2 , Which is The Reiteration Of The Laws. To '' Smite And Utterly Destroy '' Seven tribes of people which he himself will deliver to them . In other words . God will bring you to this land that he wants you to take . ( And Kill All The People That Live There ) I don't know about you . But I don't need that kind of God ..
 
Deuteronomy 7 ; 1-2 , And I Quote ; When The Lord Thy God Shall Bring Thee Into ( The Land ) Whither Thou Goest To ( Possess It ) . And Hath Cast Out Many Nations Before Thee . The ( Hittires ) And The ( Girgashites ) , And The ( Amorites ) , And The ( Canaanites ) And The ( Perizzites ) , And The ( Hivites ) , And The ( Jebusites ) Seven Nations Greater And Mightier Than Thou . And When The Lord Thy God ( Shall Deliver Them Before Thee ; Thou Shalt Smite Them , And Utterly Destroy Them , ) Thou Shalt Make No ( Covenant ) With Them , ( Nor Shew Mercy Unto Them ) ; < Kings James Version 1611 A.D. >

To top it off in Exodus 4 ; 24 , God was actually looking for ( Moses To Kill Him ) . Because he did not want to ( Circumcise His Son ) . However , God literally change ( His Mind ) when he saw Moses wife ( Zipporah Cutting The Foreskin Of Her Son And Throwing It On Moses Foot ) . How can God actually allow himself to get side Tracked ?This is a human attribute . Not a Godly Attribute ( God Doesn't Get Side -Tracked Hellooooooo ) Somebody's Lying Here .

Exodus 4 ; 24 - 26 , And I Quote ; And It Came To Pass By The Way In The Inn , ( That The Lord Met Him , And Sought To ( Kill Him ) . Then Zipporah Took A Sharp Stone , ( And Cut Off The Foreskin Of Her Son , And Cast It At His Feet , And Said , Surely A Bloody Husband Art Thou To Me , So He Let Him Go ) . Then She Said A Bloody Husband Thou Art . Because Of The Cirumcision . < King James Version 1611 A.D. >

First of all take a look at this quote closely . ( God Is Walking Into An Inn , And The Aramic ( Hebrew ) word is Malown meaning '' Place Of Lodging Or Inn'' , That mean he is not Omnipresent . Because he was able to become contained into a certain thing . In a certain place in time . The Lord ( Yahweh ) met Moses , Which contraducts Exodus 33 ; 20 , Where it says and I quote ; '' And He ( This Is The Lord Yahweh Talking ) Said . Thou Canst Not See My Face ( Fawneem ) , For There Shall No Man ( Awdawm ) See Me , And Live , First of all in Exodus 7 ; 1 , The same Lord ( Yahweh ) meakes Moses A God ( Eloheem ) , The same word used In The Beginning in Genesis 1 ; 1 And I Quote ; '' In The Beginning God ( Eloheem ) Created The Heaven And The Earth .

Was Moses considered a Little '' G '' And The God In The Beginning A '' Big G  '' Is that why he couldn't see Yahweh because at this point in Exodus 33 ; 20 . Moses no longer fell under A Man ( Awdawm , Adamite ) . He was a God ( Eloheem ) . And there was no reason why he couldn't see God Face . This is yet another mistake in the Bible that you Christians and Jews tend to want to Overlook But it's okay , It's my job to tell the Truth and that's why I'm not like . Truth Is Truth , Sweet To The Mouth , Yet Bitter To The Belly . Now getting back to the point . God came Himself In Flesh . Bashar Bawsawr . ( To Die , Kill , To Have One Executed .< Face It . Your God Is A Killer !
 
 
YOU Should Read Your Own Bible Before Attacking Another Scriptures .


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21



Greetings Al...,

Neil wrote:
Dear Al Sdqn
So, what evil does God do in the NT?
and you responded.

This is a response to your reply to Neil.

Judges, Kings, and Ezekiel are all old testament.
The new covenant of God begins with the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles, and then the letters of Paul and the other followers of Christ, the members of the church established by Yshwe Himself.

Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21



Greetings Al...,

Neil wrote:
Dear Al Sdqn
So, what evil does God do in the NT?
and you responded.

This is a response to your reply to Neil.

Judges, Kings, and Ezekiel are all old testament.
The new covenant of God begins with the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles, and then the letters of Paul and the other followers of Christ, the members of the church established by Yshwe Himself.

Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart
 
Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart
 
Keyword here Letters  are not scriptures , These letter'ss were sent to diffrent church's   Paul is a Deceiver  as of yet you still have not post the Laws that paul  follow and teach christian . Chapter & Verses only .
 


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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 26 January 2014 at 3:03pm
Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart
 
 
Paul write the Letters of the New Testament , There was 14Letters in all written by paul ( The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle ) describing to them His Nature and The Laws which governs him . This Law is the Law of Sin . Letters of Paul -14 Letters .
 
( 1 ) . Romans 56 A.D. - Was a Letter to The Romans .
( 2 ) . 1Corinthians 55 A.D. - The second letter written by Paul addressed to the Church of Corinth .
 
( 3 ). 21Corinthians 55 A.D. - The same as above .
( 4 ) .Galatians 52 A.D. - Written to Churches of Galatia .
( 5 ) . Ephesians 61 A.D. - Paul ministry at Ephesus written to the Church of Ephesus .
( 6) . Phillipian 61 A.D. - Writtin to the Church of Phillpi .
( 7 ) . Colossians 61 A.D. -Addressed to the Church Colisse .
(8 ) . 1Thessalonians 50 A.D. - Written at Corinth .
( 9 ) . 2 1Thessalonians 50 A.D. - Written at Corinth
( 10 ) . 1Timothy 64 A.D. - Consist of council and exhotation to a young Pastor .
( 11 ) . 2Timothy 64 A.D - Written from Rome .
( 12 ) . Titus 64 A.D. - Contains information about Titus a Gentile , And beloved frined of Paul .
(13 ) . Philemon 61 A,D. - A private letter of intercession written for Rome and sent to Philemon at Colosse .
 
( 14 ) . Hebrew 61 A.D. - Written to Hebrew Christian .
 
Make note that in ( One ) of his Letters , He proves that He's ( The Malevolent One ) In physical manifestation in the Flesh ( Roman 7 ; 24 , Romans 7; 18 , Also refer to Romans 7;14-25 ) . http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+7&version=KJV - Click here: Romans 7 - Passage Lookup -


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 27 January 2014 at 9:11am
Is this some kind of university dissertation?


Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 27 January 2014 at 11:57pm
Any words spoken by a man who is "walking in the Spirit" is prophecy
Cr 14:39     Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.(Paul)

Any words in any form can be prophecy because their origin is God.

The NT superceded the OT.
The OT laws did not forgive sin.
Paul was walking as Christ did, in love,
Eph 3:19     And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Rom 13:10     Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

You see, keeping the OT law, like not eating pork, etc did not make him righteous before God.

When Christ dwells in a person after they are born again, they are a new person, a new creation.

2Cr 5:17     Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It is not that Paul is a deceiver, as you claim, but that you do not understand, nor have experienced, the regenerative power of Christ.

You have "locked yourself out".

Regards

Neil


Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 12:05am
Dear Al Saadiqeen 21

I am not pleased to see you upset over shortening your name.

I do think you response is "over the top" and could be dealt with in a less vituperative way.

The time is short.

Jesus will soon return to gather his followers, like a thief in the night.
We are one day closer to this event than yesterday.

Hence the brevity.

Regards

N


Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 12:22am
God IS omnipresent because there is nowhere I can go without being aware of His presence in me.

God is a warmonger because He wars against evil.

I'm on His side, so me too:

Eph 6:12     For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places

I would respectfully suggest that, if your scriptures won't stand up to scrutiny, then you should withdraw from the polemic ...and "stand down" from the battle for truth.

1 Praise the LORD!
Blessed is the man who fears the LORD,
Who delights greatly in His commandments.
Psa 112:2 His descendants will be mighty on earth;
The generation of the upright will be blessed.
Psa 112:3 Wealth and riches will be in his house,
And his righteousness endures forever.
Psa 112:4 Unto the upright there arises light in the darkness;
He is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.
Psa 112:5 A good man deals graciously and lends;
He will guide his affairs with discretion.
Psa 112:6 Surely he will never be shaken;
The righteous will be in everlasting remembrance.
Psa 112:7 He will not be afraid of evil tidings;
His heart is steadfast, trusting in the LORD.
Psa 112:8 His heart is established;
He will not be afraid,
Until he sees his desire upon his enemies.


The only time to be afraid is when you see the punishment God has for His enemies.

1Pe 3:14     But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.”

A life without fear!
Wonderful!!!

N


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 8:07am

My gift for you read it slow-ly ok Caringheart 

Peter was the traditional ( First Bishop of Rome ) , And was recognized in The Early Christian Church as the leader of the Disciples of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ and by The Roman Catholic Church as the first of its unbroken succession of Popes . According to Christian Belief , Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ came to rescue The Human Race from clutches of Sin and Death and hold out the hopes of Eternal Life and the Church would be the Body that would continue the struggle against Evil after Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ ' Ascent into Heaven . According to The Christian Book Of Why On Page Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ told Peter ..
 
You are Peter , And on this Rock I will build my Church , And the piwer of death shall not prevail against it . I will give you the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven , And whatever you Bind on Earth shall be Bound in Heaven . And whatever yu Loose on Earth shall be Lossed in Heaven ( Matthew 16 ; 18 - 20 ) . The Church and Christ are as closeley connected as The Body and Head of a person . The Church . According to Traditional Christian Teaching . Is to form its members into the full maturity of Christ the Head ( Ephesian 4 ; 15 - 16 ) .

The Book of Matthew 16 ; 18 - 20 , Where It States ; ''And I Say Also Unto Thee , That Thou Art Peter , And Upon This Rock I Will Build My Church ; And The Gates Of Hell Shall Not Previal Against It . And I Will Give Unto Thee The ( Keys Of The Kingdom Of Heaven ) ; And Whatsoever Thou Shalt Bind On Earth Shall Be Bound In Heaven ; And Whatsoever Thou Shalt Loose On Earth Shall Be Loosed In Heaven < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >

Approximately fifteen years after Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ ' So-called Resurrection , Peter ( Simon ) became the leader of the Twelve Apostles , And after leading the Jerusalem Church for over twenty years , He set out on a wider ministry in the eastern mediteranean which brought him to Rome , Where he was martyred under the Roman Emperor Nero ( 54 68 C.E. ) .

Did Peter follow the same Laws Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ Followed ? Some Christians will say yes . However , Their ''Holy '' Bible says different . In fact , In Matthew 10 ; 5 , Where It States ; ''These Twelve Yashu'a Sent Forth , And Commanded Them , Saying , Go Not Into The Way Of The Gentiles , And Into Any City Of The Samaritans Enter Ye Not . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >

However , Peter did the exact opposite of what Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ taught and went farther north on the mediteranean coast to Caesarea ( Act 10 ; 1 - 11 , 18 ) Where he converted Cornelius . A Centurion , Which is also know as the Italian Cohort , ( Acts 10 ; 1 ) .

The Book of Act 10 ; 1 - 11 , 18 , Where It States ; There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius , a centurion of the band called the Italian band , ( 2 ) . A Devout man , and One That Feared God with all his House , which gave much alms to the people , and prayed to God always . ( 3 ) . He saw in a Vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an Angel of God coming in to him , and saying unto him , Cornelius . ( 4 ) . And when he looked on him , he was afraid , and said , What is it , Lord ? And he said unto him , Thy Prayers and thine Alms are come up for a memorial before God . ( 5 ) . And now send men to Joppa , and call for one Simon , whose surname is Peter ; ( 6 ) . He lodgeth with one 'Simon a tanner , whose house is by the sea side ; he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do .

( 7 ) . And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed , he called two of his household servants , and a devout soldier of them That Waited on him Continually . ( 8 ) . And when he Had Declared all these things unto them , he sent them to Joppa . ( 9 ) . On the morrow , as they went on their journey , and Drew Night unto the city , Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour . ( 10 ) . And he became very hungry ,and would Have Eaten but while they nade ready , he fell into a trance . ( 11 ) . And saw heaven opened , and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners , and let down to the earth . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >

Thus Peter '' Extended the Church '' By introducing Gentiles into the ''Church '' And also led the Twelve Apostles into the way of the Gentiles . How could Peter have extended the Church when Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ never even set up his church ? He never completed his mission , As found in ( John 16 ; 12 ) , Where It States ; ''I Have Yet Many Thinga To Say Unto You , But Ye Cannot Bear Them Now . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >




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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 8:09am

My gift for you read it slow-ly ok Caringheart  Partwo

Peter went against the teaching of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ by going to the Gentiles and circumcising them , Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ told the disciple not to go to them ( Matthew 10 ; 15 ) . According to ( Acts 4 ; 13 ) . ''Thus , Peter was Innovating , Because he was not learn in the laws of Moses .

The Book of Matthew 10 ; 15 , Where It States ; Verily I say unto you . It shall be More Tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of Judgement than for that city . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >

The Book of Acts 4 ; 13 , Where It States ; Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John , and Perceived that they were unlearned and Ignorant men , they marveled and they took knowledge of them , that they had been with Jesus . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >

Thus , Peter was Innovating , Because he was not Learned in The Laws Of Moses .When Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ said in Matthew 16 ; 18 , Where It States ; And I Say Also Unto Thee . That Thou Art Peter , And Upon This Rock I Will Build My Church ; And The Gates Of Hell Shall Not Prevail Against It . Was Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ saying that upon '' Peter '' He would build his Church , As Roman Catholics believe . Some christians will say yes . However
, The name '' Peter '' Is Petrus - greek - in Greek and is translated as '' Rock '' , From this it cannot be concluded that Peter he says and I quote '' And I Say Also Unto Thee , That Thou Art Peter ...

He didn't say '' Upon you I'll build my Church '' , Clearly he wasn't addressing Peter or any of his disciples . However , Roman Catholics have managed to Twist Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ word to justify them saying Peter was the first Pope . However , If you read on a little further , You will see where Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ calls Peter '' Satan .

The Book of Matthew 16 ; 23 , Where It States ; But He Turned , And Said Unto Peter , Get Thee Behind Me ( Satan ) ; Thou Art An Offence Unto Me ; For Thou Savourest Not The Things That Be Of God , But Those That Be Of Men . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >

The Roman Catholic / Christians claim their Church is built on Peter who Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ called Satan on Matthew 16 ; 23 , then who is their church really built on . The fact is , The more you learn about The Roman Catholic Church , The more you can see how Satanic it is . ( Revelation 2 ; 13 ) .

The Book of Revelation 2 ; 13 , Where It States ; I Know Thy Works . And Where Thou Dwellest , Even Where Satan's Seat Is ; And Thou Holdest Fast My Name , And Hast Not Denied My Faith , Even In Among You , Where Satan Dwelleth . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 8:13am

My gift for you read it slow-ly ok Caringheart  Parthree

Why do Christian call their House of Worship A Church and not A Synagogue or Temple , You see , The word Church is a Greek word < Ekkesia - greek > meaning '' Assembly , A Gathering Of Citizens Called Out From Their Homes Into Some Public Place ''. Which always applies to Christians . The Catholic Denomination of Christians call them Cathedrals .Where Did the word Church come from ,  The word Church is a derivative of the Greek word < Kaleo - greek > which means '' To Call , Bid , So Named , Named '' and a compound of the word < Ek - greek > meaning '' Out Of , From , By , Away From '' And is always associated with Christian .
 
No Israelites or Hebrew or Jews , All of which you call yourselves , Refer to their Holy Place as a Church . The first place the word Church comes up in the english translation another European Language of The Anglo Saxon Language so in this Bible in The New Testament in ( Matthew 16 ; 18 ) .
 
Matthew 16 ; 18 , Where It States ;  And I Leg -O ( Say ) To You , That You I ( Are ) Pet -Ros ( Peter ) 'Firm As A Rock ) , And Upon Tow -Tay ( This ) Pet-Ra ( Rock ) I Will Oy - Kod - Om - Eh - O ( Build ) My Ek - Klay - See -Ah ( Assembly ; [ Church ] ); And The Poo -Lay ( Gates ) Of Hah-Dace ( Hades ) ''The Underworld '') Will Not Kat-Is-Khoo-o ( Overpower ) It . And I Jesus Say To You Peter Meaning ''Firm As A Rock '' , That Upon This Rock Will I Build My Assembly And The Gates Of Hades ''The Underworld Will Not Overpowr It .
 
Nowhere in The Old Testament will you find The Word Church . However , Church is found in The New Testament 79 Times and is always being referred to in Christanity .
 
Matthew 16 ; 18  , 18 ; 17 , Acts 2 ; 47 , 5 ; 11 , 7 ; 38  , Romans 16 ; 1 , 5  , 16 ; 23,27 , 1Corinthians 1 ; 2 , 4;17 , 6;4 , 10 ; 32  , 2Corinthians 1 ;1 ,  Galatian 1 ; 13 , Ephesians 1 ; 22 , 3; 10 ,21 , 5 ; 23 -25 ,27 , 29 , 32 , Colossians 1;18, 24 , 4 ; 15-16 , 1Thessalonians 1;1 , 2Thessalonians 1;1 , 1Timothy 3 ; 5 , 3 ; 15 , 5 ; 16 , 2Timothy 4 ; 22 , Titus 3 ; 15 , Philemon 2  , Hebrew 12 ; 23 , James 5 ; 14 , 1Peter 5 ; 13 , 3John 6 , 9 , 10 , Phillipian 3;6 , 4 ; 15 ,
Revelation 2 ; 1 ,8 , 12;18 , 3;1 ,7 , 14 . To name a few .
 
Look at these definition ; Church , 1 . An edifice consecrated for public worship , Especially one for Christian worship . 2 . The collective body of Christians , Composed of three great branches , The Roman Catholic , Protestant , And Orthodox Eastern .
 
Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary , Church 1 .The Company Of All Christians Regarded As A Mystical Spiritual Body . 2 . Building For Public Worship 3 . A Congregation 4 . Public Divine Worship In A Church .
 
Illustrated Heritage Dictionary ~ Church A Building For Public , Especially Christian Worship 2 , Often Church . A . The Company Of All Christian Regarded As A Mystic Spiritual Body . B . A Specified Christian Denomination ; The Presbyterian Church C . A Congregation .
 
Notice the definition of Church , They are all synonymous with Christian Church . So are you saying that you are Christians which goes back to Anti-Christ ?  The answer is yes . Also you use the name Christ constantly and almost never his real name . So you are telling people the the Roman and Greek interpretation is what you follow and teach .
 
What do the socalled Israelites or Jew call their house of worship , According to the Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary Of The English Language the word Synagogue means '' A Gathering Or Assembly A Bringing Together , To Lead Or Bring Together '' . The Aramic ( Hebrew ) equivalent is Keneseth - aramic - Which come from the root word Kansa - aramic - Meaning '' To Collect, To Gather '' , or Beth Keneseth - aramic - meaning '' House Of Assembly '' . In Ashuric / Syraic which is Arabic today and in that dialect its the same word and it is Kaniysa - arabic - Meaning '' Church ( Christianity ) , Synagogue , Temple ( Judaism ) which comes from the root word Kanis - arabic - which means '' Synagogue '' .
 
The Greek word used for Synagogue is Soon -Ag-O-Gay - greek - And it means '' Congregation
, Assembly , A Bringing Together , Gathering ''. It is derived from the word Soon-Ag-O - greek - which means '' Gather , Be Gathered Together , Gather Together , Come Together , Be Gathered , Be Assembled , Take In '' . Soon-Ag-O is taken from Sun - greek - The primary preposition denoting union .
 
If you would look at (  Matthew 12 ; 9 )   , It tells you that Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ went into  Synagogues Not Churches . 
 
Matthew 12 ; 9 , Where It States ; Now When He Had Departed From There He Went To A Synagogue . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
In Matthew 13 ; 54 , It tells you that Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ taught in their Synagogues Not Churches .
 
Matthew 13 ; 54 , Where It States ; And When He Had Come To His Own Country He Taught Them In Their ( Synagogue ) So That They Were Astonished And Said Where Did This Man Get This Wisdom And These Mighty Works . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
In Mark 1 ; 21 . It tells you Yashu'a , Jesus , Christ , Entered The Synagogue NOT Church .
 
Mark 1 ; 21 , Where It States ; Then They Went Into Capernaum , And Immediately On The Sabbath He Entered Into The Synagogue And Taught '' . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
The point is that whenever Yashu'a , Jesus , Christ . Who you call Jesus , Christ went into any Temple ( And I can deal with this world also ) to Teach or Preach ot was in A Synagogue according to your Bible , So why would you try to bring people to a place that Yashu'a , Jesus , Christ himself never went ? Unless , You're the Blasphemous jew in Revelation 3 ; 9 Where it calls them the Synagogues Of Satan .
 
Revelation 3 ; 9 Where It States ; Indeed I Will Make Those Of The ( Synagogue Of Satan ) Who ( Say They Are Jews And Are Not ) . But Lie -Indeed I Will Make Them Come And Worship Before You Feet , And To Know That I Have Loved You . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
 
 
 


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


Neil,
I see your attacking my name , this show how weak minded you are
 

Greetings Al- (Friendship),

I don't think Neil was attacking your name... just looking for a way to shorten it like I did.  I chose Al-.  Smile
Let us always assume the best first?  Let us seek the paths that lead to harmony. Smile

Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart



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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


Keyword here Letters  are not scriptures , These letter'ss were sent to diffrent church's   Paul is a Deceiver  as of yet you still have not post the Laws that paul  follow and teach christian . Chapter & Verses only 

Greetings Al-,

I actually have tried to share with you how Paul taught nothing different from Yshwe.
If you want chapter and verse, that would be an exhaustive days work for me when I have other things that need tending,
when all you need to do is pick up and read Paul's letters for yourself.  You will see that he teaches nothing muslims would not/could not accept, or agree with.

Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart
 
 
Make note that in ( One ) of his Letters , He proves that He's ( The Malevolent One ) In physical manifestation in the Flesh ( Roman 7 ; 24 , Romans 7; 18 , Also refer to Romans 7;14-25 ) . http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+7&version=KJV -

In the passage of Paul, Romans 7:14-25...
Can you not relate?  Can you not see that we are all 'wretched' in the propensity of our flesh to be tempted into sin?
Have you never felt this?  Have you never done what you knew you should not do?
And knowing what should be done, have you never refused anyway?

Can you not see this other law at work in your members?  Is this not what inner jihad is all about?

 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Salaam and blessings,

Caringheart



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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


Neil,
I see your attacking my name , this show how weak minded you are
 

Greetings Al- (Friendship),

I don't think Neil was attacking your name... just looking for a way to shorten it like I did.  I chose Al-.  Smile
Let us always assume the best first?  Let us seek the paths that lead to harmony. Smile

Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart

 
Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart

The above have nothing to do with you ok mind your business ok .


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart
 
 
Make note that in ( One ) of his Letters , He proves that He's ( The Malevolent One ) In physical manifestation in the Flesh ( Roman 7 ; 24 , Romans 7; 18 , Also refer to Romans 7;14-25 ) . http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+7&version=KJV - Click here: Romans 7 - Passage Lookup -

Greetings Al-,

It is good to see you researching. Smile

In the passage of Paul, Romans 7:14-25...
Can you not relate?  Can you not see that we are all 'wretched' in the propensity of our flesh to be tempted into sin?
Have you never felt this?  Have you never done what you knew you should not do?
And knowing what should be done, have you never refused anyway?

Can you not see this other law at work in your members?  Is this not what inner jihad is all about?

 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Salaam and blessings,

Caringheart

 

Salaam and blessings,

Caringheart

Your wasteing your time with all your excuses


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


Keyword here Letters  are not scriptures , These letter'ss were sent to diffrent church's   Paul is a Deceiver  as of yet you still have not post the Laws that paul  follow and teach christian . Chapter & Verses only 

Greetings Al-,

I actually have tried to share with you how Paul taught nothing different from Yshwe.
If you want chapter and verse, that would be an exhaustive days work for me when I have other things that need tending,
when all you need to do is pick up and read Paul's letters for yourself.  You will see that he teaches nothing muslims would not/could not accept, or agree with.

Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart
 
 
Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart
 
What muslim do you know , Knows more about your religion then your do . As far as your the bible , You can't help but see I'm well read cut all the excuse ,



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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 28 January 2014 at 4:00pm
Dear Caringheart

How refreshing!

Mat 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

How frequently Muslims want to jump down your throat, as if they must score points over you.
Sometimes it seems like an obsession.

You know, if you have to keep trying to prove you are superior, it is often the case of an inferiority complex.

Let's pray that our friend Al, is above all that.

Regards

Neil


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 12:54am
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


The above have nothing to do with you ok mind your business ok .

Muslim manners  Question
Doesn't speak so well for you... (or your faith). Ouch
I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I am at your responses.
Salaam.


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: neil
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 2:05am
The problem is, Al, that,
while you may be well read in the Bible,
you don't understand it.

N


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 6:24am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


The above have nothing to do with you ok mind your business ok .

Muslim manners  Question
Doesn't speak so well for you... (or your faith). Ouch
I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I am at your responses.
Salaam.
 
Caringheart , As Salaamu Alaykum
 
Again let me say this again mind your business , You know what this clown was saying .
 
Also stop Assuming you know me when you don't http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27228 - As Salaamu Alaykum  
 
I have no problem giveing one respect , This clown knows if we were face to face he wouldn't  made that statement .
 
 


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 6:46am
Originally posted by neil

God IS omnipresent because there is nowhere I can go without being aware of His presence in me.

God is a warmonger because He wars against evil.

I'm on His side, so me too:

Eph 6:12     For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places

I would respectfully suggest that, if your scriptures won't stand up to scrutiny, then you should withdraw from the polemic ...and "stand down" from the battle for truth.

1 Praise the LORD!
Blessed is the man who fears the LORD,
Who delights greatly in His commandments.
Psa 112:2 His descendants will be mighty on earth;
The generation of the upright will be blessed.
Psa 112:3 Wealth and riches will be in his house,
And his righteousness endures forever.
Psa 112:4 Unto the upright there arises light in the darkness;
He is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.
Psa 112:5 A good man deals graciously and lends;
He will guide his affairs with discretion.
Psa 112:6 Surely he will never be shaken;
The righteous will be in everlasting remembrance.
Psa 112:7 He will not be afraid of evil tidings;
His heart is steadfast, trusting in the LORD.
Psa 112:8 His heart is established;
He will not be afraid,
Until he sees his desire upon his enemies.


The only time to be afraid is when you see the punishment God has for His enemies.

1Pe 3:14     But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.”

A life without fear!
Wonderful!!!

N
 
Did the Christian God of the Bible ever come down to earth himself , Some Christian will say yes knowing I'm not talking about Yashu'a . Yahuwa son . However in Genesis 18 ; 21 , Where It States ; I will go down now , And see whether they have done altogether according to the Cry of it . Which is come unto me , And if not , I will know . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
Why would The Almighty God have to come down to earth to see something Physically , Because the word used for '' See '' In Genesis 18 ; 21 , Is Ra'Ah - aramic - meaning '' To See , Look At , Inspect , Perceive , To Have Vision '' Which is the same word word used in Genesis 2 ; 19 , For Adam seeing - A physical Man , With physical eyes . Does this mean he had physical eyes ?
 
Genesis 2 ; 19 , Where It States ;  And out of the Ground the LORD God formed every Beast of the field , and every fowl of the Air and brought them unto Adam to see what he Would Call them ; and whatsoever Adam called every living Creature that was the name thereof . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
Why does he have to come down before he Knows Something ? Isn't he the All Knowing ? Shouldn't He Already Know ? And what place on Earth could '' God '' Who you Christians say created the whole world and has it in His Hands , Be coming from ? Then in ( Number 11 ; 16 - 17 ) , The God of the Bible tells Moses to hather Seeventy Elder of Israel together and to bring them to the Tabernacle of the congregation with him so that they can be with him , And he , The God of the bible , Would come down and talk with them .
 
Numbers 11 ; 16 - 17 , Where It States ;  And the Lord said unto Moses , Gather unto me Seventy Men of the Elder of Israel , Whom thou knowest to be the Elders of the people , And ifficers over them ; And bring them unto the Tabernacle of the congregation , That they may stand there with thee . And I will come down and talk with thee there ; And I will take of the spirit which is upon thee , And put it upon them ; And they shall bear the burden of the people with thee , That thou bear it not thyself alone . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
Why couldn't the God of the Bible make his Voice heard , The way Christians cliam his voiced came out of A Burning Bush in Exodus 3 ; 2 - 4 , Where It States ; And the Angel of the Lord appeared unto him in A Flame of Fire out of the Midst of a Bush ; And he looked , And , Behold , The Bush Burned with Fire , And the Bush was not consumed . And Moses said , I will not turn aside , And see this great sight why the Bush is not burnt . And then the Lord saw that he turned aside to see , God Called Unto Him Out Of The Midst Of The Bush , And Said , Moses , Moses , And He Said , Here Am I . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
Why would God have to come down to earth to talk to man ? Why Couldn't he just put the ( Though Into His Head ) ? Is the God of the Christian Bible Omnipresent , Meaning everywhere at the same time , Most Christian will say yes . However , According to ( John 14 ; 2 ) the God of the Bible has A House with Mansions in it .
 
John 14 ; 2 , Where It States ; In My Father's House Are Many Mansion ; If It Were Not So , I Would Have Told You , I Go To Prepare A Place For You . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
The Greek word used for '' House '' Is - Oikia - greek - Meaning '' Residence '' , But usually an Abode , Home Household . The Greek word used for '' Mansions '' Is - Mone - greek - meaning ''A Staying , Residence , Abode , Mansion '' .  So if the God of the Christian Bible has a House , Or a residence then he can't be everywhere at the same tiome .
 
If God of the Christians Bible is in Heaven according to (  Luke 11 ; 2 , Matthew 5 ; 45 , Matthew 6 ; 9 , Mark 11 ; 25 ) And Heaven is inside some place , Then the God of the Christians Bible is within something that is inside something making the God of the Christians Bible ( Quite Small and Definitely not Omnipresent .
 
 Luke 11 ; 2 , Where It States ; And he said unto them , When ye pray , say Our Father which art in Heaven Hallowed be thy name . Thy Kingdom come . Thy will be done , as in Heaven so in Earth . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
 Matthew 5 ; 45 , Where It States ; That ye May Be the Children of your Father which is in Heaven for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the Good and sendeth rain on the just and on the Unjust .  < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
Matthew 6 ; 9 , Where It States ; After this manner therefore Pray ye ; Our Father which art in heaven , Hallowed Be thy Name . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
 Mark 11 ; 25 , Where It States ; And when ye stand praying , Forgive if have aught against any ; that your Father also which is in Heaven may forgive you your Trespasses .  < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
According to Revelation 14 ; 17 Heaven has  a temple in it . And the Greek word for '' Heaven '' is Ouranos - greek - which means '' Heaven '' , Air , Sky , The vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it '' And the greek word used for '' Temple '' , Is Naos - greek - Meaning '' Temples , A Shrine , Used of the Temple at Jeruselum , But only of the sacred edifice ( Or Sanctuary ) Itself , Consisting of the holy place and the holy of the holies ( In Classical Greek It Is Used Of Sanctuary Of Cell Of The Temple , Where The Image Of God Was Placed Which Is Distinguished From The Whole Enclosure ) .
 
Revelation 14 ; 17 , Where It States ; And another angel came out of the temple which is in Heaven , he also having a sharp sickle . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
And if Heaven has a Temple , And Heaven has Windows ( Genesis 7 ; 11 ) , And Doors as found in ( Revelation 4 ; 1 ) .
 
 Genesis 7 ; 11 , Where It States ; In the six hundredth year of Noah Life in the second moth , the seventeenth day of the month , the same day Were all the fountains of the great Deep Broken Up and the Windows of Heavens were opened . < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
Revelation 4 ; 1 , Where It States ; After this I looked , and behold , a Door was opened in Heaven and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me ; which said , Come up hither , and I will show thee things which must be hereafter .  < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
The Greek word used for '' Door ''  Is '' Thura - greek - meaning '' Door , Gate , The Vestibule,
Used Of Any Opening Like A Door , An Entrance , Way Or Passage Into , '' Again , I repeat , If Heaven has Doors ,Then it has  a Ceiling and Floors . And according to ( Psalm 11 ; 4 ) The God of the Bible in his Holy Temple , Where it says and I quote in part '' The Lord Is In His Holy Temple ... God can not be less than himself and if the God of the Bible Dwells in Temples , Then doesn't that mean that The Temple Is Bigger Than Him ?
 
Psalm 11 ; 4 , Where It States ;  The LORD Is In His Holy Temple , The LORD Throne Is In Heaven His Eyes Behold His Eyelids Try The Children Of Men .  < King James Version Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible >
 
 


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 6:51am

 neil my gift to you , So that you know who your dealing with here , Now read veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy slowlyyyyy okkkkk

 

Our Father  ~ The Prophet Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Called On Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala As '' Our Father , Not My Father .
 
Who Art In The Galactical Heaven ~ This Is Saying That The Creator Is Not On Earth As The So - Called Christians Teach . He Did Not Come Down As A Spirit Into The  Prophet Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Therefore He Is Not On Earth .
 
Holy Is Your Name ~ He Said , '' Holy '' Is The Name Of '' Our Father '' . He Did Not Say Holy Was His Name , Jesus . Holy Is The Name Of Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala , Ya Huwa .
 
Thy Kingdom Come ~  He Did Not Bring Us A Kingdom As The So-called Christians Teach . The Prophet Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) In His Prayer , Thy Kingdom ( Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala Kingdom ) Come . The Prophet Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Had No Kingdom Of His Own .
 
Thy Will Be Done On Earth As It Is In Heaven ~ The Prophet Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Did Not Say That He Was Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala '' So On Earth '' Bring The Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth . This Is The Lie Taught To Many Searching People . However , This Prayer Says Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala Kingdom  Is Destined To Come .
 
Give Us This Day Our Daily Bread ~ For Him To Say This In His Prayer , Meant That He Did Not Have The Power To Provide For Himself  Or Others Without The Help Of Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala . Without The Father He Could Not Do Anything Because He Was Only The Instrument Being Used . The Prophet Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Would Always Tell Them That He Was Not Greater Than The One That Sent Him .
 
And Forgive Us Our Debts , As We Forgive Our Debtors ~ This Statement Could Only Be Made By Mortal , Meaning One Who Has Trespassed On Other People . In The Story When Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Turned The Tables In The Tabernacle , He Knew It Was Wrong . He Knew It Was The Wrong Method In Dealing With These People . However , His Human Nature Overpowered Him And He Reacted With Anger .
 
And Lead Us Not Into Temptation ~ Here , This Verse Clearly Tells Us That Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh )  Was A Regular Man That Could Be Tempted . Satan ( CH ) Knew That Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh )  Was Not The Creator . The Book Of The Prophet Job ( Pbuh ) Implies How The Devil ( CH ) Addressed Our Creator In Heaven . He Spoke To Him Humbly , As A Servant , Not Like He Spoke To Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) On The Mountain . Also , The Devil ( CH ) Would Not Try To Tempt Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala , For He Knows That He Owns The East And The West ; The Entire Universe . Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh )  Could Not Be The Creator  In The Flesh Because Satan ( CH ) Came To Him And Offered Him All His Eyes Could See .  Could The Creator Have Been Tempted By A City ?  Only Man  Could Be Bribed  With Such Materialistic  Want .
 
But Deliver Us From Evil ~ This Also Contradicts The So-called Christian Doctrine . If Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Came To Save Man , Why Would He Have To Be Delivered From Evil ?  He Was Not The Creator Or The Creator's Son , But A Mortal Man That Was Susceptible To The Temptations Of Evil .
 
For Thine Is The Kingdom , And The Power , And The Glory , Forever  ~ This Verse Says That Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Would Never Get A Kingdom Of His Own ( Unless Of Course Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'Ala  Should Grant It To Him ) . This Destroys  That Myth   That The Jesus The Messiah ( Pbuh ) Came With A Kingdom , Or That His Kingdom Would Be On Earth , For '' Thine '' Means ( Your Not ( Mine ) .
 




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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 29 January 2014 at 7:01am
 neil Question for you ok . Does  The Christian God Have A  Human Form ?  
Exodus 15 ; 3 ~ God Is A Man Of War !
1. The Lord ( Yahweh )  Is A Man Of War  . Okay ! Your God Is A Man Of War According To The Bible ?
 
Psalm 27 ; 8 ~ God Has A Face !
2 . Thy Face , Lord ( Yahweh ) Will I Seek . And This God Who Is A Man Of War Has A Face .
 
Psalm 11 ; 4 ~ God Has Eyes , And Eyelids !
3 . The  Lord ( Yahweh )  Is In His Holy Temple . The Lord Throne Is In Heaven ; His Eyes  Behold His Eyelids Try ...  And On God Who Is This Man Of War Has A Face With Eyes . And Eyelids .
 
Acts 17 ; 30 God Winks ! 
4 . God ( Theos ) Winked  ~ And On God Who Is This Man Of War Has A Face With Eyes  That Wink To See With ! ..
 
5 .Genesis 8 ; 21 ~ God Has A Nose ! And The Lord ( Yahweh )  Smelled A Sweet Savor ..
So This God Who Is This Man Of War Has A Face With Eyes  That Wink , And Has A Nose To Smell With
 
6 . Isaiah 1 ; 20 ~ God Has A Mouth !  For The Mouth Of The Lord ( Yahweh )  ... And This God Who Is This Man Of War Has A Face With Eyes  That Wink , And Has A Nose To Smell , And A Mouth To Speak And Eat With .
 
7 . Isaiah 30 ; 27 ~ Behold , The Name Of The Lord ( Yahweh ) Cometh From Far . Burning With His Anger  . And The Burden Thereof Is Heavy ; His Lips  Are Full Of Indignation , And His Tongue  As A Devouring Fire . ..... So What Your Bible Is Telling Us So Far Is That Is God Who Is This Man Of War Has A Face With Eyes  That Wink ,  And A Nose And Mouth Is Angry . And His Lips , That Are Full Of Indignation , Which Is A Reaction To An Injustice Or Meanness 
, And Tongue As A Devouring Fire .
 
8 . Isaiah 40 ; 7 ~ God Has Bad ( Hot ) Breath That Withered  The Grass And Made The Flowers Fade ! ... The Grass Whithereth . The Flower Fadeth ; Because The Spirit ( Breath ) Of The Lord ( Yahweh )  Bloweth Upon It ...  Then It Tells Us That This God Who Is A Man Of War Has A Face With Eyes  That Wink , And Has A Nose And Mouth Is Angry . And His Lips That Are Full Of Indignation , Which Is A Reaction To An Injustice Or Meanness , And A Tongue As Devourning Fire , Has Bad Breath .
 
9 . Psalm 18 ; 6 , 8 ~ God Has Ears , A Mouth And Exhale Smoke From Out Of His Nostrils , So God Smokes ! .... I Called Upon My Lord ( Yahweh ) . And Cried Unto My God ( Eloheem ) He Heard My Voice Out Of His Temple , And My Cry Came Before Him , Even Into His Ears .  ( 8 ) . There Went Up A Smoke Out Of His Nostril  And Fire Out Of His Mouth  ....  So Not Only Does This God Who Is This Man Of War Has A Face With Eyes  That Wink , And Has A Nose  And Mouth Is Angry . And Lips That Are Full Of Indignation , Which Is A Reaction To An Injustice Or Meanness , And A Tongue As A Devouring Fire . That Has Bad Breath , He Smokes Too ?
 
10 . Isaiah 7 ; 18 ~ God Hisses !  And It Shall Come To Pass In That Day . That The Lord ( Yahweh ) Shall Hiss ...  So This God Who Smokes , Had Bad Breath Winks His Eyes , Has A Nose And An Angry Mouth And Lips That Are Full Of Indignation , A Tongue As A Devouring Fire . Hissses Like A Snake , Because Snakes Hiss , People Talk !
 
11 . Isaiah 52 ; 10 ~ God Has A Holy Arm !  The Lord ( Yahweh ) Hath Made Bare His Holy Arm  ...
 
12 . Psalms 8 ; 1 , 3 ~ God Has Fingers ...  O Lord ( Yahweh )  The Lord ( Adown )  ...  ( 3 ) . When I Consider Thy Heavens . The Work Of Thy Fingers '' .
 
13 . Exodus 24 ; 10 ~ God Has Feet ! ... And They Saw The ( God Eloheem ) Of Israel ; And ( There Was ) Under His Feet , '' .... So Not Only Is This God Who Smokes , Has Bad Breath Winks His Eyes , Has A Nose And An Angry Mouth And Lips That Are Full Of Indignation , A Tongue As A Devouring Fire . Hiss Like A Snake . He Has Arms . Fingers , And Feet .
 
14 . Judges 5 ; 23 ~ God Is Powereless Against The Mighty And Needs Man's Help ?  .... Because They Came Not To The Help Of Lord ( Yahweh )  To The Help Of The Lord ( Yahweh )  Against The Mighty '' . .....  Then To Top It All Off This God Who Smokes , Has Bad Breath , And Winks His Eyes , Has A Nose , Arms , Fingers , And Feet ; And An Angry Mouth And Lips That Are Full Of Indignation , A Tongue As A Devouring Fire , And Hisses . Like A Snake , He's Powerless Against The Mighty And Needs Man's Help !
 
15 . Numbers 23 ; 22 ~ God Has The Strength Of A Unicorn ! ....'' God ( El )  Brought Them Out Of Egypt ; He Hath As It Were The Strength Of An Unicorn .  ~  And Now You Mean To Tell Me This Mighty God Who Need Mans Help Against The Mighty , Only Has The Strength Of A Unicorn ?
 
16 . Genesis 2 ; 2 ~ God Has A Job  And Get Tired ? .... And On The Seveth Day  God ( Eloheem )  Ended His Work Which He Had Made ; He Rested On The Seventh Day From All His Work ... So He Has A Job And Gets Tired And Goes To Sleep , That Is According To Your Bible ... Well . What Kind Of Job Does He Have ? Because It States In Genesis 1 ; 1 In The Beginning God Created The Heavens And The Earth . '' Does He Have Other Jobs , Since He's So Tired And Has To Rest ?
 
17 . Genesis 3 ; 21 ~ God Is A Tailor ! Unto Adam Also Unto His Wife Did The Lord ( Yahweh ) God ( Eloheem ) Makes Coats Of Skins , And Clothed  Them
 
18 . Isaiah 7 ; 20 ~ God Is A Barber ~ In The Same Day Shall The Lord ( Adonai ) Shave With A Razor ..  ..... He's Doing All Of This Work . Does He Have A Family ?
 
19 . Genesis 6 ; 2 God Has Son's ! ~ The Sons Of God ( Eloheem )  .... Has Sons ? Yes And His Sons Have Sex With Women According To The Bible !
 
20 . Genesis 6 ; 4 God's Son's Has Sex With Women ! ... When The Son's Of God ( Eloheem ) Came In Into The Dauthers Of Men And They Bare Children To Them .... How Did God Have Son's ? It Tells You Right In Your Bible , Just Look , And If You Don't Believe Me , Check It Out ! Just Look , And If You Don't Believe Me . Check It Out ! In John 7 ; 42 It States That '' Concering His Son Jesus Christ Our Lord , Which Was Made Of The Seed  Of David  '' And The Greek Word Used Here Is ''Sperma  '' Meaning '' The Seed , The Issue , The Semen Virile ''  .  So . Here You See That The God Of The Bible Is Very Physical . He Has Body Parts . He Works , He Gets Tired , And Even Rest .  ( Just  Like You ) .
 
 This is why you should read your bible , Before you attack another Scriptures / Religion .


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Abu Ahmad
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 1:58pm
To short that name to 'al' is most rude. U casn drop the 21 only.

Same goes 4 only 'abu' its a no-no.



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Caringheart , As Salaamu Alaykum
 
Again let me say this again mind your business , You know what this clown was saying .
 
Also stop Assuming you know me when you don't http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27228 - Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 31 January 2014 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by Abu Ahmad

To short that name to 'al' is most rude. U casn drop the 21 only.

Same goes 4 only 'abu' its a no-no.


Greetings Abu Ahmad,

Thank you.  I did not realize.  I hope that I may be forgiven my lapse.  I try to conserve my energy since it is limited.
(and I will try to remember Smile ... I can not guarantee I will not have future lapses though.)

Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 10:33am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Caringheart , As Salaamu Alaykum
 
Again let me say this again mind your business , You know what this clown was saying .
 
Also stop Assuming you know me when you don't http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27228 - As Salaamu Alaykum  
 
I have no problem giveing one respect , This clown knows if we were face to face he wouldn't  made that statement .
 

Greetings Al Saadiqeen21,

I'm curious, why do you make such assumptions?

I do not see what you see in his shortening of your name.  Have you known this 'neil' long enough to know his intent?  As far as I know he is fairly new here, and not beyond making mistakes, just as you or I may make mistakes.  All I see it that he took the 'A' from Al, and the 'S' from Saadiqeen and the 21.  Do you know that your names are not easy for english speakers?  It does not come natural or easy to type out a name like Saadiqeen without looking back several times to assure the spelling.

Perhaps neil himself will offer explanation of himself?
Either way it is better to take the high road and assume the best, is it not?  I believe this is advocated in the qur'an.

and I wonder, are you aware of how rude you are coming off to me?
If you are aware, then you say that you give respect, when you do not.

I am only trying to be helpful and considerate... as neil mentioned... 'a bringer of peace'.  Should we not seek harmony rather than enmity?  Did Muhammad not often act as mediator to bring peace between people when there was misunderstanding between them?

I wish you peace,
Caringheart
 
 
Let me make this clear one more time , Mind your business , neil is nothing but a clown , He has no knowldge of Islam  but he has this need to Attack Islam . You have no knowldge of your own Bible and you want to play holy then tho , And Lie on his behalf


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 10:44am
Originally posted by Abu Ahmad

To short that name to 'al' is most rude. U casn drop the 21 only.

Same goes 4 only 'abu' its a no-no.

 
As Salaamu Alaykum Abu Ahmad neil know what he was doing , so does Caringheart both of them are full of it . This is the Nature of Some christians , They like to throw rock and then hide their hands .


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 01 February 2014 at 10:56am
Originally posted by neil

The problem is, Al, that,
while you may be well read in the Bible,
you don't understand it.

N
 
Not only am I well Read / Verse in the scriptures you Believe in I have a better overstanding then your So-called Minister / Pastor's , Scholars, Who teach the Many version of Christianity , All them teach something diffrent . You would think all that mouth you have you would know your Bible but your don't you should be ashame of yourself .


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 02 February 2014 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by Abu Ahmad

To short that name to 'al' is most rude. U casn drop the 21 only.

Same goes 4 only 'abu' its a no-no.


To change your words a bit...
you are correct...
'al is quite rude'

Really sorry to have to say.

I have to say that my mistake(which was innocent) is far less offensive than his responses to me have been.

Too bad he couldn't just accept my input with a gracious thanks... as I have accepted your input to me. Smile


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 11:42am
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


Let me make this clear one more time , Mind your business , neil is nothing but a clown , He has no knowldge of Islam  but he has this need to Attack Islam . You have no knowldge of your own Bible and you want to play holy then tho , And Lie on his behalf

Greetings again Al Saadiqeen,

I wonder why it is you react so strongly, and hatefully, to my words of kindness, and make false accusations.

I don't see what you see,
and you might want to ask yourself why...
why do you see things the way you see them?

Do you not even believe in following what it is said that your prophet taught?
Did your prophet teach peace?

Addressing some of your other posts;

After Yshwe had risen he gave His commands to His disciples;
5 ... the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, He goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see Him: lo, I have told you.

8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.


16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Yshwe never taught that it was necessary to circumcise... He taught baptism.
Circumcision was of the old covenant...
Yshwe brings the new covenant... baptism of the Holy Spirit... for all people, of all nations.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. - the words of Yshwe

Yshwe taught that it is the heart, not the flesh, that matters.

Peter was not an innovator... Peter taught what Yshwe taught... baptism for all who accept Yshwe as Saviour.
but Peter was also a Jew, and Jews, as Jews, continued to honor the old covenant of God made with the Jews, even while entering into the new covenant through baptism... but God mad no such covenant of circumcision with non-Jews... only the new covenant of baptism was for the gentiles... the people not descended from Israel(Jacob).

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Yshwe named Simon Bar-Jona as 'Peter' the rock... the rock upon which the church would be built... Yshwe names Simon, Peter, as the founder, the 'rock', of the church.

Re:  Matthew 16:23 - When Yshwe turns to Peter saying 'get thee behind Me satan', He is rebuking satan whom He sees trying to influence Peter.  He is telling satan to leave Peter alone.


I also see now, that neil did address your concern thus;
Dear Al Saadiqeen 21

I am not pleased to see you upset over shortening your name.

I do think you response is "over the top" and could be dealt with in a less vituperative way.

You ought to consider why you turn a minor mis-step into such a major thing.  Why you seek hostility, rather than friendship.

May God's peace find you,
i.e.,
'get thee behind Me, satan'

Salaam,
Caringheart


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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 03 February 2014 at 4:05pm
This child was called Emmanuel of a ( Virgin Birth ) . The Book of Isaiah 7 ; 14 , Says ; Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign ; Behold a Virgin shall conceive , and bear a son , and Shall Call his name Immanuel . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Butter and Honey shall Emmanuel eat . The Book of Isaiah 7 ; 15 , Says ; Butter and Honey shall he Eat , that he May Know to refuse the evil , and Choose the Good .  < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Emmanuel shall know to refuse evil and Choose the Good . The Book of Isaiah 7 ; 15 , Says ; Butter and Honey shall he Eat , that he May Know to refuse the evil , and Choose the Good .  < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Levitical law states that the believer should not shave his beard ; however , at this point Emmanuel did the oppisite .  The Book of Isaiah 7 ; 20  , Says ;  In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired , namely by them beyond the river , by the king of Assyria , the head , and the hair of the feet ; and it Shall also Consume the Beard . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
The era of Emmanuel was ruled by Kings . The Book of Isaiah 7 ; 20  , Says ; The Lord shall bring upon thee and upon the people , and upon thy Father's house , days that have not come , from the Day that Ephraim departed from Judah ; even the king of Assyria < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Emmanuel was prophecied to deliver The House of David from the Clutches of the Kings ( Syria and Israel ) . The Book of Isaiah 7 ; 1 - 13  , Says ; And it to pass in the days of Ahaz the sons of Jotham , the son of Uzziah , king of Judah , that Rezin the king of Syria , and Pekah the son of king of Syria , and Pekah the son of Remaliah . king of Israel Went Up toward Jerusalem to war against it , but could not previal against it . Verse 2 . And it Was Told the House of David ,  saying , Syria Is Confederate with Ephraim . And his Heart was moved , and the heart of his People as the trees of the wood are moved with the Wind . Verse 3 . Then said the Lord unto Isaiah , Go forth now to meet Ahaz , thou , and Shear -jashub thy son , at the end of the conduit of the Upper pool in the highway of the Fuller Field . Verse 4 . And say unto him Take Heed , and Be Quiet Fear not neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands , for the Fierce Anger of Rezin with Syria , and the son of Remaliah .
 
Verse 5 . Because Syria ,Ephraim , and the son of Remaliah , Have Taken evil Counsel against thee , saying . Verse 6 . Let us go up against Judah , and Vex it , and let us make a breach therein for us , and set a king in the midst of it , even the son of Tabeal . Verse 7 . Thus Saith the Lord GOD , It shall not stand , neither shall it come to pass . Verse 8 . For the Head of Syria is Damascus , and the head of Damascus is Rezin ; and within threescrore and five years shall Ephraim be broken , that it be not a people .
 
Verse 9 . And the head of Ephraim is Samaria , and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son . If ye Will not Believe surely ye Shall not Be Established . Verse 10 . Moreover the Lord Spake again unto Ahaz , saying , Verse 11 . Ask thee a Sign of the Lord thy God ask it either in the depth , or in the height above . Verse 12 . But Ahaz said , I will not ask , neither Will I Tempt the LORD . Verse 13 . And he said , Hear ye now O house of David ; Is it a small thing for you to weary Men but will ye weary my God also ? < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
This child was called Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) and he was of a virgin birth and of the Holy Ghost . The Gospel According to Matthew 1 ; 21 , Says ; And she shall bring forth a Son and thou shalt call his Name Isa for he Shall Save His People from their Sins . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus grew waxed strong in spirit until his mission was showed unto him The Gospel According to Luke 24 ; 41 - 42 , Says ; And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish , and of a honeycomb . Verse 42 . And he said unto them These are the Words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you that all things must Be Fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses , and in the Prophets and in the Psalms concerning me .  < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus grew waxed strong in spirit until his mission was showed unto him The Gospel According to Luke 1 ; 80  , Says ; And the child grew and Waxed Strong in Spirit and was in the deserts til the day of his showing unto Israel . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus had a beard , following Levitical Law . The Book of Revelation to John 1 ; 14 , Says ; His head and his hairs were white like wool , as white as snow l and his eyes were as a flame of fire . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus was brought up against Pharisees , Scribes and Ceasars not Kings The Gospel According to Matthew 23 ; 1 - 3 , Says ; Then spake Isa to the multitude , and to his disciples . Verse 2 . Saying The Scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat . Verse 3 . All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe , that Observe and do But do not ye after theirworks for they say . and do not . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
The Gospel According to Matthew 22 ; 21 , Says ; They say unto him Caesar's Then saith he unto them , Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God things that are God's .  < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus was sent unto the Lost Tribe of Israel ( Judah ) only , and did not complete his mission . The Gospel According to John 16 ; 7 , Says ; Nevertheless I tell you the Truth It Is Expedient for you that I go away ; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you ; but if I depart , I will sed him unto you .  < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
The Gospel According to Matthew 15 ; 22 - 24 , Says ; And , behold , a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts , and cried unto him , saying . Have mercy on me , O Lord , thou son of David ; my daughter Is grievously Vexed With A Devil . Verse 23 . But he answered her not a word . And his disciples came and besought him , saying Send her Away for she crieth after us . Verse 24 . But he answered and said I Am not Sent but unto the Lost sheep of the house of Israel .  < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Now at this point , You can see Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) was not Emmanuel .... The person that was prophesized in the Books of Isaiah had to be one who would come and control a government . Isa ,Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh did not come to Control or head any Government . No where in the Scriptures can you find Isa ,Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) as a Governor or President over any nation . The Christian / Christ -Ism also use ( Isaiah 9 ; 6 ) to try and prove that Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) was the person prophesized ,
 
 However , if you look at the break down of this quote you will see how this could not possibly be Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) for several reasons .
 
'' For He Has Born For Us ( Of Our Seed ) A Son And We Were Give To Adopt This Son , And He Will Be The Head Of The Government And It Will Be On His Shoulders , And His Name Will Be Called Amazing Counsellor Of The Powerful Creator , A Father And President Of Peace Forever .
 
For Unto Us A Child Is Born , Unto Us A Son Is Given ; And The Government Shall Be Upon His Shoulder , And His Name Shall Be Called Wonderful , Counsellor , The Mighty God , The Everlasting Father The Prince Of Peace . < Translated By King James Version Of The Bible .
 
Now look at the difference between these two translations . According to the King James Version the word for Ar Riyaasa is '' The Government '' , then when you read on they translate the word Ra'Iys to mean ''Prince '' . The words 'Ar Riyaasa '' and ''Ra 'iYS is derived from the same root word R'Asa meaning '' to be at the head '' , not Prince '' . The Arabic translation for the word '' Prince '' is Amir taking from the root word Amara meaning , Order , command , instruction . See their tricks . That's why it's imperative for you to learn the language of the Scriptures Which is Aramic / Arabic and not Greek / Latin / English , so that you wont be mislead .
 
The reason why it could not be Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) .....
1 ) . The word Ar Riyaasa - arabic - means '' The Headship ( People in charge ) . the government '' . Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) was not in charge of a government . During the time of Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) the Romans headed the government .
 
2 ) . The quote says this person will be called '' Amazing Counsellor '' . Never was Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) called this !
 
3 ) . This quote goes on to say Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) will be the ''Creator '' possessing Power . '' A Father '' . Now we know this is not Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) because Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) constantly taught that he was merely a servant of the Father . Proof of this is in the Lord's Prayers .
 
The Gospel According to Matthew 6 ; 9 Says ; After This Manner Therefore Pray Ye ; Our Father Which Art In Heaven , Hallowed Be They Name . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Yes  Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) glorified the Father , He was not , nor did he ever cliam to be the Father .
 
4 ) . And lastly , as translated by King James they say that this person would be the ''Prince of Peace '' . Thus making Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) , a Prince which would be less than a King therefore making him less than the Angel Michael ( Mikail , Melchisedek Sra ) . Because he is called the King of Peace , Salaam .
 
Torah ( 5 Books Of Moses ) Genesis 14 ; 18 , Says , ( And Melchizedek King Of Salem ) Brought Forth Bread And Wine , And He Was The Priest Of The Most High Allah . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Now if this person prophesized was to be the Almighty Creator how could he be less than the Angel Michael ( Melchisedek Sra ) who he created ? Think about how silly these translators are . They're out to Confuse You . Don't be deceived . Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) came as a '' Messiah '' to the Lost Sheep of the House of Isreal ( Remnant of Judah Only ) . The Arabic word for Messiah is Al Masiyh from the root word Masaha which means '' He Wiped Clean , He Heal and Anointed '' . He came to repurify the House of Judah because they had transgressed . Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) did not come with any new laws , he just came to restore the old laws which were the Laws of Old , The ones the Prophet Moses ( Pbuh ) brought .
 
The Gospel According to Matthew 5 ; 17 , Says , Think Not That I Am Come To Destroy The Law , Or The Prophets , I Am Not Come To Destroy , But To Fulfill . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
The Gospel According to John ( Son of Zebedee ) 13 ; 16 , Says , Verily , Verily , I Say Unto You , The Servant Is Not Greator Than His Lord ; Neither He That Is Sent Greater Than He That Sent Him . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
The Gospel According to John ( Son of Zebedee ) 1 ; 11 , Says , He Came Unto His Own , And His Own Received Him Not . < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus ( Pbuh ) had to leave in order for '' Another Comforter '' to come ...
 
The Gospel According to John ( Son of Zebedee ) 1 ; 11 , Says ,  And I Will Pray The Father , And He Shall Give You Another Comforter , That He May Abide With You For Ever < King James Version ( Arabic ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Yes , Another ; What does the word '' Another '' mean according to your dictionaries ?
 
1 . Additional ; One More
2 . Distinctly different from the first
3 . Some other
 
Now lets see what the Arabic Translation for the word is ; The word for ''Another '' in the Arabic language is ; Aakhir and this word means '' Another '' One more '' .  Yes it means the same as the English !!!  Now lets see those '' Wolves In Sheep's Clothing ''  Tamper with this one !!!


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 15 March 2014 at 2:58am
Originally posted by neil

dear untruthhas come

Luk 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he
answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you

The Kingdom of God is WITHIN you.

So that puts paid to your proposition that the Kingdom of God is the coming of the Quran.

Agree with me.

Regards

Neil                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   


CONTEXT BRO, CONTEXT!

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Jesus (S) he said:

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)

      That “grain of mustard seed” is “a message”; and “the man” is “the one who will delivered that message”; that man is no other than Muhammad (S)! This is what Allah (S) said:

“We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind…but most of mankind know not.” (Qur.34:28). 

And Jesus (S) said: “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Lu 17:21)

     If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when you hear the message you believe and accepted it with your whole heart. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed (message)] to Muhammad (S):

Allah (S) said: “Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: with it came down the Spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-amin). to thy heart.” (Q.26:192-194)


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Revelation 12, it mentioned:

And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ… (Rev.12:5-10).

The Kingdom of God was to come in the future after the demise of Jesus (S), Revelation 12 is all about future things, It stated in Rev.1:1

 “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass” (Rev.1:1)


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Understanding the mysteries of the parable

 

·       And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+8:10&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -  

·       And the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) must first be published among all nations. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+13:10&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Mark 13:10

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's (Good News of the Kingdom of God), the same shall save it. ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+8:35&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Mark 8:35 )


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 15 March 2014 at 3:01am
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Jesus (S) teaches the coming of the Kingdom of God in parables but not all who received the true message of Jesus (S) will believe. In Matthew 13: 3-9 he describes himself as the “sower” who went forth and teaches the Good News of the coming of the Kingdom of God:

Matthew13:3-9

·       3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

·       4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

·       5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

·       6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

·       7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

·       8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

·       9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus (S) explained the parable of the sower who preaches the coming of the “word of the Kingdom (coming of the universal message the Quran)”

Matthew13:18-23 

·       18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

·       19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

 What is the “word” of the Kingdom? The “word” of the Kingdom is the “Good News” of the kingdom meaning, the good news of Jesus (S) informing us of the coming of the Kingdom of God: “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Good News of the kingdom of God (Mark 1:14). It is In Luke 8:11 it deals with the same story and He (Jesus (s) explain the seed is the word of God which is the Good News: “ Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God”.(Luke 8:11).

Not everyone who claimed to believe him will follow his true message, he said:

·       20But he that received the seed onto stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

·       21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

·       22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

·       23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

The true followers of Jesus (S) will accept the final and universal message the Qur’an.

 

Not everyone will recognize the kingdom of God

Matthew13:10-17

·       10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

·       11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

·       12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

·       13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

·       14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

·       15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 The people who will understand are the ones who see, hear and understand with his “heart”.

·       16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear not.

·       17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.  

·       And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) to every creature. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+16:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - (the coming of the everlasting Good News: The Qur’an)

Allah (S) said:

·       We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to all mankind…but most of mankind know not. (Q.34:28)

·       Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

·       ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… (Q.4: 47)

·       None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not Allah hath power over all things?  (Q.2:106) 

·       Children of Israel! Call to mind the (special) favors which I bestowed upon you, and I preferred you to all others (of your time period, in the past). (Q.2:47)

·       …in that they (Jews) broke the Covenant; that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right…Allah hath set the seal on their heart for their blasphemy…that they REJECTED FAITH… (Q.4:155-156)

·       Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) place, and say “We hear and disobey,”…and but few of them will believe. (Q.4:46)

From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q.5:14)



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 16 March 2014 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21


Let me make this clear one more time , Mind your business , neil is nothing but a clown , He has no knowldge of Islam  but he has this need to Attack Islam . You have no knowldge of your own Bible and you want to play holy then tho , And Lie on his behalf

Greetings again Al Saadiqeen,

I wonder why it is you react so strongly, and hatefully, to my words of kindness, and make false accusations.

I don't see what you see,
and you might want to ask yourself why...
why do you see things the way you see them?

Do you not even believe in following what it is said that your prophet taught?
Did your prophet teach peace?

Addressing some of your other posts;

After Yshwe had risen he gave His commands to His disciples;
5 ... the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, He goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see Him: lo, I have told you.

8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.


16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Yshwe never taught that it was necessary to circumcise... He taught baptism.
Circumcision was of the old covenant...
Yshwe brings the new covenant... baptism of the Holy Spirit... for all people, of all nations.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. - the words of Yshwe

Yshwe taught that it is the heart, not the flesh, that matters.

Peter was not an innovator... Peter taught what Yshwe taught... baptism for all who accept Yshwe as Saviour.
but Peter was also a Jew, and Jews, as Jews, continued to honor the old covenant of God made with the Jews, even while entering into the new covenant through baptism... but God mad no such covenant of circumcision with non-Jews... only the new covenant of baptism was for the gentiles... the people not descended from Israel(Jacob).

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Yshwe named Simon Bar-Jona as 'Peter' the rock... the rock upon which the church would be built... Yshwe names Simon, Peter, as the founder, the 'rock', of the church.

Re:  Matthew 16:23 - When Yshwe turns to Peter saying 'get thee behind Me satan', He is rebuking satan whom He sees trying to influence Peter.  He is telling satan to leave Peter alone.

Salaam,
Caringheart
Peace unto you!

Why are you FORGING interpretation about the KINGDOM OF GOD to deceive people in believing your OPINION on the CRIFICTION?

There is no such thing as the "GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM"!

And "FATHER" is not a name!

Jesus (S) said: "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they (disciples) have kept thy word." (John 17:6)


If Jesus (S) says, he manifested God Almighty name and the disciples kept his word where is the name?

And how could Jesus (S) say, "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER" when he himself say he manifested God Almighty name?

Where is the name?

Br. Zainool

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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 16 March 2014 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome


Peace unto you!

Why are you FORGING interpretation about the KINGDOM OF GOD to deceive people in believing your OPINION on the CRIFICTION?

There is no such thing as the "GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM"!

And "FATHER" is not a name!

Jesus (S) said: "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they (disciples) have kept thy word." (John 17:6)


If Jesus (S) says, he manifested God Almighty name and the disciples kept his word where is the name?

And how could Jesus (S) say, "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER" when he himself say he manifested God Almighty name?

Where is the name?

Br. Zainool



Greetings truthnowcome,

I have given previous study to this.
The original letters denoting the name of the man we now call Jesus(through greek translation) are
Yshwe

Y - yah - from YHWH (the name of God)
+ shwe - which means salvation

Yahshua meaning, 'Yah is salvation'

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

He literally did come in His Father's name.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 18 March 2014 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by Caringheart



Greetings truthnowcome,

I have given previous study to this.
The original letters denoting the name of the man we now call Jesus(through greek translation) are
Yshwe

Y - yah - from YHWH (the name of God)
+ shwe - which means salvation

Yahshua meaning, 'Yah is salvation'

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

He literally did come in His Father's name.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart
Peace to you!

I will not ask you how you arrive with that name as yet.

What I want to draw your attention is that you have just CONFORMS that the book you believing in is a GREEK'S TRANSLATION and not the word of God; the ORIGINAL is in Greek and this is how it PRONOUNCE:




http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+1:25&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+1:25&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1

NOW SHOW ME HOW YOU ARRIVED WITH "YAHSHUA" although "Yahshua" is not God"s name but rather Joshua's name so that I can SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL. Does Ih sound like Yah or EE" as in E-sou?

Br. zainool




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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 20 March 2014 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome


Peace to you!

I will not ask you how you arrive with that name as yet.

What I want to draw your attention is that you have just CONFORMS that the book you believing in is a GREEK'S TRANSLATION and not the word of God; the ORIGINAL is in Greek and this is how it PRONOUNCE:




http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+1:25&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+1:25&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1

NOW SHOW ME HOW YOU ARRIVED WITH "YAHSHUA" although "Yahshua" is not God"s name but rather Joshua's name so that I can SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL. Does Ih sound like Yah or EE" as in E-sou?

Br. zainool
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Greetings truthnowcome,

This is the teaching, after many, many studies, that led me to Yshwe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivm4RbIeKc

asalaam,
Caringheart



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Blessed be God forever


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 20 March 2014 at 11:21pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by truthnowcome

Peace to you!

I will not ask you how you arrive with that name as yet.

What I want to draw your attention is that you have just CONFORMS that the book you believing in is a GREEK'S TRANSLATION and not the word of God; the ORIGINAL is in Greek and this is how it PRONOUNCE:




http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+1:25&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+1:25&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1

NOW SHOW ME HOW YOU ARRIVED WITH "YAHSHUA" although "Yahshua" is not God"s name but rather Joshua's name so that I can SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL. Does Ih sound like Yah or EE" as in E-sou?

Br. zainool

Greetings truthnowcome,

This is the teaching, after many, many studies, that led me to Yshwe.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivm4RbIeKc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivm4RbIeKc


asalaam,
Caringheart



Peace unto you!

It is good for the heart when some one can admit that the book the are studying in not the word of God but rather a Greek's translation. All I am doing here is prove it also has interpolation.

You didn't address nothing! You are trying to forge a name for the Messiah (S). The video you posted there is the one which I've been posting all along to prove you wrong that the Messiah (S) name is not YHWH but rather the name of "JOSHUA" originally spelt with "Y" as "YOSHUA".

Now, let me break in down for you. The video that you posted there mentioned the name as "Yeshou" , pronounce as "E- Shou" because of the Aramaic's letter Sheen for (sh). In Arabic it spell with a Seen (sa). In Hebrew it is the same, for example the word Shalom mean peace and in Arabic Salaam mean peace (Sh and Sa. (E- Shou and Isa).

This is an explanation a Christian reply to me how they arrived with the Greek name of the Messiah (S) on a discussion forum on the Internet:


A word or a name in Hebrew which begins with a YODE (Hebrew Y) would have to be transliterated into Greek using an IOTA (Greek I) and would likely be followed by an ETA (Greek E) or an OMIKRON (Greek O), depending on the phonics of the original word. Since there is no letter in Greek equivalent to the Hebrew YODE the Greek IOTA (followed by another vowel to mimick the required sound) is the next best thing. Transliteration is a mimicking or "best rendering" type of work, not an exacting science. A word or a name in Greek which begins with an IOTA would then be transliterated into English using the letter I. In such cases the I would sound like a Y and if we knew for certain the origins of the first word from which the Greek transliteration was conducted (in this case being a Hebrew word that starts with a YODE) we would be justified in bypassing the I altogether and using the Y instead, that’s where Iesous is coming from and from the Jews.


       You see when they established hard proof what happen? Know the “fact”:  They original Greek word of God is “Ihsou” then transliterated to “Iesous”. To get the original pronunciation we have to transliterate (Not tralslate!) it from the original back into Hebrew: Greek is “Ihsou” transliterate back to Hebrew is “Yhsou” or “Iesou” to “Ye-sou” same pronunciation in Arabic “Isa!” It didn’t pronounce “Yesh-ua”, it pronounce Ye-shou as in "E", that is what you video is conforming.

What is more important, that name did not come from God's name YHWH. Let me fill you in on this one. When the Romans decided to transliterate the Greek's name Ihsou to Hebrew, instead of transliterate the name the look for a Hebrew's name that is close to the name Ihsou and the found "Joshua's name" which is Yesh-ua and not God Almighty name YHWH. The video you provided prove that, listen to it again.

So the name "Joshua" is not God Almighty name. Where is the name? Who remove it?  

The QUESTION still stands! WHERE IS THE NAME?

Jesus (S) said: "I have come in MY FATHER'S NAME, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John 5:43)

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the NAME of the LORD shall be saved. Act. 2:21 (which name?)

 

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. Act.4:12 (WHICH NAME?

 

7 Now they (disciples) have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I HAVE GIVEN UNTO THEM THE WORDS (original word, not translation!) WHICH THOU GAVEST ME; AND THEY (disciples) HAVE RECEIVED THEM, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me…

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. HOLY FATHER, KEEP THROUGH THINE OWN NAME (Not Joshua's name!) THOSE WHOM THOU HAST GIVEN ME, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I KEPT THEM IN THY NAME (Not Joshua's name!): those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled…

14 I HAVE GIVEN THEM THY (ORIGINAL) WORD; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world…

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through THEIR (ORIGINAL) WORD;

26 And I HAVE DECLARED UNTO THEM THY NAME (Not Joshua's name!), and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. JOHN17: 6-26

And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED. Act. 2:21 (which name?)

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. Act.4:12 (WHICH NAME?

Jesus said:  FATHER, GLORIFY YOUR NAME. ”Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I HAVE BOTH GLORIFIED IT AND WILL GLORIFY IT AGAIN.” John 12:28

    LET THEM PRAISE THE NAME OF LORD; FOR HIS NAME ALONE IS EXALTED; His glory is above the earth and the heavens.  Psalm 148:13


Where is the name?

Jesus (S) mentioned the coming of God’s kingdom his (God’s) name would be sanctifies:

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” (Matthew 6:9 )

      And in Malachi it is mentioned:

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same “my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 1: 11)

Br. zainool


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 01 April 2014 at 6:17pm
Sorry wrong post!


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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 5:57pm
 truthnowcome Nowhere in the  Holy Qur'aan does it speak of Saul ( Paul the 13th self -appointed Apostel , that I know of . With no disrespect I don't read website link's 
 
Saul , Shaool , Paul, ( Never ) was a Disciple of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ! How do I know ? According to Saul , Shaool , Paul , Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus chose him as his instrument for carrying his teaching to The Gentiles who were not of the House of Israel . ( Acts 9 ; 15 - 16 ) . Saul , Shaool , Paul acclaimed vision is the only evidence Saul , Shaool , Paul could produce for his bid for the leadership of The New Church Saul , Shaool , Paul , would raise , No wonder the jews were highly skeptical about the whole claim and would not listen to him . Let's take a look in The Bible where Saul , Shaool , Paul contradicts himself three times . This is the behavior of a liar . A liar have to repeat his lie Two or more Times with each version differing from the next until he ultimately prove himself a Liar . He eventually reveals the truth he was trying to hide all along .
 
Contradiction One ; ~ Act 9 - 4 - 7 , And I Quote ; And he fell down on that planet earth and heard a voice saying to him , Saul why did you persceute me and he said who are you master ; And the master said I am Yashu'a whom you persecuted it is hard for you to kick against the point . And he trembling and astonished said the master what will you have me to do ? And the master said to him arise and go into the city and it shall be told to you what you must do . And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless hearing a voice but seen no man .
 
In the above quote , Saul , Shaool , Paul says that ( He Alone Fell To The Ground ( Earth ) and then he proceeds to say that the men who journeyed with him stood speechless , Hearing a voice , ( But Seeing No Man ) . We see in Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 that Saul , Shaool , Paul was about to be killed by the people of the city of caesarea for preaching to the jews amongst the gentiles that they should forsake Moses and not circumcise their children or follow their custom . Saul , Shaool , Paul was saved by the soldiers and centurions who took him to the castle unto the chief priest and there Saul , Shaool , Paul says ...
 
Contradiction Two ; ~ Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 , And I Quote ; And I fell onto the ground and heard a voice saying to me Saul Saul why are you persecuting me ? And I answer who are you Master and he said to me , I'am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute . And they that were with me saw surely the force of light , . And were afraid but did not hear the voice of him that spoke to me .
 
Now , In this quote Paul says ( He Alone Fell To The Ground ) . He proceeds to say that the men who were with him , ( Saw The Light ) , But heard not the voice of him who spoke . But he had just said in Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 . '' ( Those who journeyed with him , Heard a voice . But saw not a man ) !
 
We now go to Acts 26 ; 13 - 14 , To find the third contradiction . At this point , Paul is defending himself before King Agrippa ;
 
Contradiction Three ; Acts 26 ; 13-14 , And I Quote ; At midday O ruler I saw in the way a force of light from the sky above the brightness of the halo shining around me and them which were traveling with me . And when we were all falled down on that part of the planet earth I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in a Hebrew Dialect Saul , Saul , Why did you persceute me ? It's hard for you to kick against the sticks .
 
After we listen to Paul's Contradictions , It make it very difficult to Believe that Paul ever had a vision . Paul is a liar and his own words confirm it !! Romans 3 ; 7 .
 
Having the behavior of A Liar , As usual , Paul continued to prove himself A Liar . In none of the other quotes had he said that Jesus ( Spoke To Him In The Hebrew Tongue ! However , In the following quote , ( Acts 26 ; 16 ) , Paul says that Jesus appeared to him to make him a Minister . Is this why Paul though he was supposed to be a disciple .
 
Acts 26 ; 14 - 16 , And I Quote ; And when we were all fallen down on that part of the planet earth I heard a voice speaking to me and and saying in a Hebrew Dialect Saul Saul why did you persecute me ? It's hard for you to kick against the sticks . And I said who are you master and he said I am Jesus whom you persceute , But rise and stand up upon your feet for I have appeared to you for this purpose to make you a servant and a witnessboth of these things which you have seen and of those things which I will make appear for you .
 
Let's look at the word Minister in Aramic ( Hebrew ) , Since Paul said Jesus spoke to him in Aramic ( Hebrew ); And in Greek , Since it's the language Luke wrote in .
 
In Greek - - - Minister , [ Huperetes ] An under -Oarsman , I.E. ( Gen ) subordinate ( Assistant , sexton , constable ) ; - - Minister , Officer , Servant ; From the prim . Root [ Hupol ] Meaning under of place [ Beneath ] . Or with verbs [ The agency or means , Through ]; Of inferior position or condition , And speacially covertly or moderately .
 
In Hebrew - - - Minister , [ Sharath ] A prim . Root ; To attend as a menial or worshipper ; Figurative ; To contribute to ; Minister ( Unto ) , ( Do ) Serve , Wait on .
 
In Arabic - - - Minister [ Khaadim ] Meaning a servant , A waiter ( See 26 ; 16 Of Acts , For the word ) .
 
Paul took this word to mean '' Disciple '' - How ??? He was fluent in the Aramic ( Hebrew ) language ( Acts 21 ; 40 ; 22 ; 2 ) . So there's no way he could have mistaken the two words He Did It On Purpose !!
 
The word Minister does not refer to '' Apostle ''  Nor '' Disciple '' Paul was ( Not Apostle or Disciple according to the definition of the words !!!
 
In Arabic , Hebrew , And Greek , All share the same definition for Disciple , As a Student '
 
Arabic { Tilmeeth } - Literally , Meaning young Student .
 
Hebrew { Limmuwd or Limmud } Meaning , Instructed , Disciple , learned from the root [ Lamad ] < aramic > Meaning '' To Goad , To teach ''
 
Greek [ Manthetes ] Meaning , Learner ( Pupil , Dsiciple ) from [ Manthano ] or Matheo ] Meaning to learn ( In any way ) .
 
The same three languages also share the same definitions for the Apostle
 
Arabic  [ Rasool ] Meaning '' One sent messenger ''
 
Hebrew [ Basar ] A Prim . Root ; '' To Be Fresh , Announce ( Glad News ) ; Messenger ''
 
Greek  , [ Apostolos ] '' Ambassador messenger , Envoy , One who represent the sender '' .
 
As you can see there is definitely a distinction between the two words in all Three Language .
 
So we can agree that Paul fits neither definition '' And Paul knew it !!! So , Due to Paul lies , You now have Preachers today walking around calling themselves '' Christian Ministers '' They don't use the word '' Rabbi'' As Jesus was called in ( John 1 ; 38 , John 1 ; 49 ; 3 ; 2 ) .
 
Paul Was A Liar !!! I've shown you that ! So why are Christian Preachers using Paul's title if they're supposed . To be following the reaching of Jesus ? I'll tell you why ... because ( They're Not Following Jesus !!! ) They just talk - Or they would be named '' Rabbis '' or '' Teachers '' Of Jesus and not '' Ministers '' After Paul . These people are Paul's Ministers , Teaching Paul Ministry !! They are not coming to you in the name of the real Messiah Jesus . They just lie and say they do . They are The Anti-Christ ( Matthew 24 ; 5 24 ) !!!  And I Quote ; For many shall come in my ( Name )  saying . I am Christ , and shall deceive Many . Verse 24 . For there ( Shall Arise False Christ ) And ( False Prophets ) , and shall show great sign and wonders ; insomuch that if it were possible , they shall ( Deceive The Very Elect ) .
 
This quote is talking about those lying so-called heads of your churches and denominations . The head or leader of you Religious congregations should be called Rabbis after Jesus if that's what he used . The word Minister , As you now know , means Servant . Now let's look at the word Rabbi ''
 
In Arabic '' Rabbi '' Come from the root word Rabba , Which means ; Rabba ; To be master , Be lord ... have command or authority ( Over ) ; To raise , Bring up .
 
Rabb ; Lord ; Mast ; owner , proprietor , Rabba ; Mistress ; Lady '' - Rabba Al Menzil , The lady of the house . ( Hans Wehr Arabic - English Dictionary )
 
In The Hebrew language Rabahg < aramic > Comes from the root word Rab <aramic > Meaning ; Rab ; Captain , Chief , Great , Lord , Master , Stout .
 
In the Greek language the word Rabbi is ; Rhabbi ; ( Of Hebrew ) My master as an official title of Honor ; - Master , Rabbi . ( Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible ) .
 
As you can see each of these language agree - The Greek , The Aramic ( Hebrew ) And The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) . However , If you notice within the Greek definition of the word '' Rabbi '' It tells you that the word came from the Hebrew language . So this means that the teaching of the real messiah Jesus went from the original language of Galilaen Arabic to Hebrew , Then Greek , Which resulted in a change in the original teachings . The language of New Testament should not have been Greek . Because the language of Jesus was not Greek . Yet , The Christian influence was Greek . Then when these English Scholars translated the New Testament to the English language more altered words were evident .
 
 


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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 6:12pm
The Prophet Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus Christ ( Pbuh ) the son of Maryam  was speaking of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( as the Comforter that would come after him . According to the Scriptures that is !!!

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 12:40am
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

The Prophet Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus Christ ( Pbuh ) the son of Maryam  was speaking of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( as the Comforter that would come after him . According to the Scriptures that is !!!


Salaam Bro.!

What is your objective here, to give dawah or prove what is not important to Christians?

Let me inform you what I am doing. I have an objective which I work towards, so I don't waste time over issues that is not relevant and supportive to my objective.

When the Prophet (S) had the call to prophet hood, the first thing his wife (RM) did was to conforms his prophet hood then after that Thowheed; what are you doing?

I have already pass those stage now I am calling from the Qur'an.

What are you doing, just posting article for discussion? If so, that is not my objective. I am sorry if you feel offended and not agreeing with me.

Br. zainool

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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 5:20am
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

The Prophet Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus Christ ( Pbuh ) the son of Maryam  was speaking of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( as the Comforter that would come after him . According to the Scriptures that is !!!


Salaam Bro.!

What is your objective here, to give dawah or prove what is not important to Christians?

Let me inform you what I am doing. I have an objective which I work towards, so I don't waste time over issues that is not relevant and supportive to my objective.

When the Prophet (S) had the call to prophet hood, the first thing his wife (RM) did was to conforms his prophet hood then after that Thowheed; what are you doing?

I have already pass those stage now I am calling from the Qur'an.

What are you doing, just posting article for discussion? If so, that is not my objective. I am sorry if you feel offended and not agreeing with me.

Br. zainool
 
As -Salaamu Alaykum truthnowcome
 
I mean no disrespect here , ok I notice few here have this Habit , of telling me  what I  should or shouldn't do , I don't play that game , Nor do I care what stage your in now or before . Also I don't have thin-skin one have a right to Agree with me or disagree with me , it no bigthing , I'm only here to share like most here , I'm not here to convert anyone here . One can challenge any of my post if they wish to , I stand by everything I Post as do other here .
 
I hope we overstand one another here . I have some knowldge of Islam , Jew-ism , Christianity . Do I cliam to know everything when it come to religion No !
Again I'm not here to covert anyone here .  
 


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 2:48am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by truthnowcome


Peace unto you!

Why are you FORGING interpretation about the KINGDOM OF GOD to deceive people in believing your OPINION on the CRUCIFIXION?

There is no such thing as the "GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM"!

And "FATHER" is not a name!

Jesus (S) said: "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they (disciples) have kept thy word." (John 17:6)


If Jesus (S) says, he manifested God Almighty name and the disciples kept his word where is the name?

And how could Jesus (S) say, "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER" when he himself say he manifested God Almighty name?

Where is the name?

Br. Zainool



Greetings truthnowcome,

I have given previous study to this.
The original letters denoting the name of the man we now call Jesus(through greek translation) are
Yshwe

Y - yah - from YHWH (the name of God)
+ shwe - which means salvation

Yahshua meaning, 'Yah is salvation'

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

He literally did come in His Father's name.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart
Peace unto you!

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It mentioned in Acts 2: 21-22:  And it shall come to pass that EVERYONE WHO CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.’ (ACTS 2:21)

 

IS THIS TRUE?  


You said the Messiah's name in Yashwe, can Christian be save if they used an invented name such as JESUS?


Br. Zainool




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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 9:11am
Originally posted by truthnowcome


Peace unto you!

It mentioned in Acts 2: 21-22:  And it shall come to pass that EVERYONE WHO CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.’ (ACTS 2:21)

IS THIS TRUE?  

You said the Messiah's name in Yashwe, can Christian be save if they used an invented name such as JESUS?

Br. Zainool


Greetings Br. Zainool,

This is a question I have asked myself, which is why I choose to use the name as it would have been written in Yshwe's own language. 

As I have been studying I was reading - rightly or wrongly - I can't say,
but it seemed quite plausible to me about the name Jesus being a rendering of Hail Zeus. 
Having studied more than one language, and having always had an affinity for language and words, I could see where the latin Je-sus could very well have been used to lead pagan Romans to accept Yshwe.
I try to trust in the leading of the Holy Spirit, and I have been led to use the name Yshwe.

I do however believe, in the end, the almighty Creator will only judge what is in the heart... not judging by the possible misleadings of men in the minor things... but I also accept that due to the weakness and limited vision of my humanity I could find myself to be wrong.  I simply try to be as correct as possible, knowing, believing, God will be judging me by my heart and its devotion to Him.

I believe, as Yshwe said... if our hearts are right, our actions will be right... 'you will know those who are mine, by their fruits'.
I heartily believe in the Word of Yshwe.

To answer a little further though... there are many stories of people who found themselves in dangerous, life threatening, situations, and called on the name of Jesus and were saved.
I, personally, have always called to God Himself.  I was in a life threatening situation once and called out to God... I and my children were saved.
But I do pray to Yshwe as well as God.  I can only do what seems right to me, always seeking God in His guidance... but I do believe Yshwe gave His life for me... for me to be saved, when I believe in Him.  It is this great Love that was sent for me, this great sacrifice, that causes me to have such love and devotion to my Creator...
'no greater Love is there, than a man lay down his life for a friend.'
I am bought with the blood of Christ.  I belong to Him and the one He calls Father.

That is probably a much longer answer than you wanted. I tend to ramble when I speak of the one I love.  Smile

asalaam,
Caringheart


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 06 July 2014 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by Caringheart



I believe, as Yshwe said... if our hearts are right, our actions will be right... 'you will know those who are mine, by their fruits'.
I heartily believe in the Word of Yshwe.

asalaam,
Caringheart
Peace unto you!

Do you believe the original Greek collection books as the word of your Yshwe or it is a Greek translation? I ask that because it is not in the Greek text, you derive the word Yshwe from a Aramaic source.

Br. zainool


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Posted By: Power of GOD
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Originally posted by Placid

Hi Truth,

I see that you ramble quite a bit in your presentation, so I will just pick out one thing at a time.

Quote: For example Jesus (S) was sent to the Children of Israel:
“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24); These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven (The Qur’an) is at hand.” (Matthew 10:5-6)

Response: --- You are mixing two Scriptures together to try and make it say something that you want it to.
--- Notice this in Matthew 4:
24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.

When Jesus went around the countryside, He healed all that came to Him, and here He was n Syria. --- But when he gathered His 12 disciples, to start training them, --- He sent them only to the Jews, because they, like all Jews were prejudiced against the Samaritans and other nations, so they had to learn discipline at home,

---So, it starts this way in Matthew 10:
1 And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
--- <> (Where it says “And preach, saying, “The Kingdom of heaven is at hand.” --- It referred to the Spiritual Kingdom that Jesus was introducing the true believers to. --- Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world,” --- So this is His Kingdom, which is on the other side of death, --- That is why He had to go through death in order to be resurrected.) 

This was the first time that Jesus sent the disciples out on their own, so this was a ‘field trip’ in their training, in the first of their three years with Jesus.


Placid
Peace unto you!

Lesson 2

Let me break it down for you. Jesus (S) said, he came to that which was “lost”:

He said: “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. Mt 18:11

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Lu 19:10

What was “Lost”? It was the sheep of the house of Israel!

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15:24

Healing other people doesn’t change his claimed!

What you don’t understand here?

But he answered and said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”??? 

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” (John 1:11) ???

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles ???,

and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel… ??? (Matthew 10:5-6)

He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” (John 1:11)???

Quran conforms:

3:48 (Y. Ali) "And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,

3:49 (Y. Ali) "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message)…

Now where in the writings it mentioned Jesus (S) claimed he was sent to the Gentiles but in Mark 16:15 mentioned he sends his disciples to preach the Gospel to all creatures (Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creatures. Mark 16:15). That doesn’t in anyway conforms the he was sent to all creatures; what it did, it conforms, he sent his disciples to preach the Gospel to all creatures. The question is what Gospel he was talking about?

To clarifies that we have to know what Gospel Jesus (S) was talking about and what was his mission to the children of Israel.

His mission to the Children of Israel was to fulfilled the laws for them and inform them of the coming kingdom which is a new law to come:

He said: “For verily I say unto you (Israelites), Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven....."(Matthew 5: 18-19)

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 10:5-6)

Quran conforms:

3:50 (Y. Ali) "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

Now, when he send his disciples out into the world was not to preach the Law to them the law was for the Israelite, he send the to preach the Gospel.

What “Gospel” he was talking about, is the bible? No, the bible is a collection of books. The Gospel he was he was instructing them about was to go and inform the world of the “Good News of the coming of the Kingdom of God which is another message to come.

 

Here is lesion 3

THE WORD “BIBLE” AND ITS DEFINITION 

Let’s look at the word “Bible”. The Bible (from Greek ὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the books") is the collections of the primary religious text of Judaism and Christianity.

There is no common version of the Bible, as the individual books (Biblical cannon), their contents and their order vary among denominations. Mainstream Judaism divides the Tanakh into 24 books, while a minority stream of Judaism, the Samaritans, accepts only five.

The 24 texts of the Hebrew Bible are divided into 39 books in Christian Old Testaments, and the complete Christian Bible range from the 66 books of the Protestant canon to the 81 books in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible, to the 84 books of the Eastern Orthodox Bible.


From the Bible Dictionary

Bible definition

Bible, the English form of the Greek name _Biblia_, meaning "books," the name which in the fifth century began to be given to the entire collection of sacred books, the "Library of Divine Revelation." The name Bible was adopted by Wickliffe, and came gradually into use in our English language. The Bible consists of sixty-six different books, composed by many different writers, in three different languages, under different circumstances; writers of almost every social rank, statesmen and peasants, kings, herdsmen, fishermen, priests, tax-gatherers, tentmakers; educated and uneducated, Jews and Gentiles; most of them unknown to each other, and writing at various periods during the space of about 1600 years: and yet, after all, it is only one book dealing with only one subject in its numberless aspects and relations, the subject of man's redemption. It is divided into the Old Testament, containing thirty-nine books, and the New Testament, containing twenty-seven books. The names given to the Old in the writings of the New are "the scriptures" (Matt. 21:42), "scripture" (2 Pet. 1:20), "the holy scriptures" (Rom. 1:2), "the law" (John 12:34), "the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms" (Luke 24:44), "the law and the prophets" (Matt. 5:17), "the old covenant" (2 Cor. 3:14, R.V.). There is a break of 400 years between the Old Testament and the New. (See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/APOCRYPHA - .) ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bible - )

From the above we can conclude that Jesus (s) never instruct anyone to go into the world and preach the “bible’ because the bible is a “collection of books” which Jesus (s) has no knowledge of when he said: “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creatures.” (Mark 16:15).

 

THE WORD “GOSPEL” AND THE MEANING

This is the definition they give you: the origin and the usage but also if we examine how it was by Jesus (s) we will arrive with a different meaning. Let’s read it from the Bible Dictionary.

Bible Dictionary

Gospel definition

 a word of Anglo-Saxon origin, and meaning "God's spell", i.e., word of God, or rather, according to others, "good spell", i.e., good news. It is the rendering of the Greek _evangelion_, i.e., "good message." It denotes (1) "the welcome intelligence of salvation to man as preached by our Lord and his followers. (2.) It was afterwards transitively applied to each of the four histories of our Lord's life, published by those who are therefore called 'Evangelists', writers of the history of the gospel (the evangelion). (3.) The term is often used to express collectively the gospel doctrines; and 'preaching the gospel' is often used to include not only the proclaiming of the good tidings, but the teaching men how to avail themselves of the offer of salvation, the declaring of all the truths, precepts, promises, and threatenings of Christianity." It is termed "the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20:24), "the gospel of the kingdom" (Matt. 4:23), "the gospel of Christ" (Rom. 1:16), "the gospel of peace (Eph. 6:15), "the glorious gospel," "the everlasting gospel," "the gospel of salvation" (Eph. 1:13). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gospel -

That is how they got the word “gospel”. It was translated from these two Greek words “Euaggelizo / Euaggelion” which literally mean “good news” So when you see the word “Gospel”, it should read as  “Good News”

Let’s look at the usage and its application in the New Testament. These two words “Euaggelizo / Euaggelion” which literally mean “Good News” and was miss translates as “Gospel”. In Luke Chapter 1: 1 -19 the Greek word “Euaggalizo” was used there for the “announcement” of the birth of John (S) to Zachariah.

Quote:

“The angel answered and said to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+1:19&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - )

The same Greek word “Euaggalizo” was used for the “announcement” of the birth of Jesus (S) in Luke 2: 1-10.

Quote:

“But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+2:10&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - )

As you can see the word “Good News” was used for making special announcement of importance.

Now, let us see how Jesus (S) used it. It mentioned in Luke 20:1  “And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders”, (Luk3 20: 1); and in Matthew 11:5 it mentioned: “The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.” (Matthew 11:5)

The same Greek word “Euaggalizo” was used there and was translates as “gospel”. As I have established before, the literal meaning of the word is “Good News”. Although the Greek word “euaggalizo” means “good news” they decided to invent a new meaning: “God spell, Good spell and then gospel to misguide people.

     What was the Good News of so important Jesus (S) was preaching? Now, let’s look at good mark 1:14 and Matthew 4:23 It read as follows:

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God”. (Mark 1:14)

23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23 KJV) 

      What is the gospel of the kingdom? Is there any such thing as “gospel of the kingdom”? The try to trick you there! It is the Good News of the Kingdom of God; Jesus (S) was preaching the Good News of the coming of God’s Kingdom. The Greek word “euaggolizo” which means “Good news” was used there and translates a “gospel”. It was correctly translated as “good news” in the New World Translation. So the verse should as follows: 

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the good news of the kingdom of God”. (Mark 1:14)

23Then he went around throughout the whole of Gal´i·lee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity among the people. (Matthew 4:23 NWT) 

The Good News Jesus (S) was preaching was about coming of the kingdom of God. Jesus (s) never teaches the good news of the grace of Grace of God, nor the good news of Christ, nor the good news of peace, nor the good news of salvation, or even the good news of the everlasting gospel (good news). The everlasting good news is another book that was yet to come from Heaven and it mentioned in revelation 14: 6-7, which I already established before, he also never teaches to believe in the bible. “Bible” is the English form of the Greek name _Biblia_, meaning "books," the name which in the fifth century began to be given to the entire collection of what they termed as sacred books, the name Bible was adopted by Wickliffe, and came gradually into use in our English language.

And just to add, the Qur’an also never in anyway conforms for Christians to judge by the bible (a collection of books). The Qur’an mentioned that the people of the book will be judge by the “revelations” that was revealed to their prophets and not a collection of books (BIBLE).

What Jesus (S) really thought his people it to “REPENT” and believe the Good News of the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth.

Jesus told them: “... saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the good news”. (Mark: 1:14)

 It says: “…The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe”;

The time is fulfilled: They were fully informed!

the kingdom of God is at hand: A new message is yet to come, so

 repent ye, and believe: Believe what? Believe the good news of the kingdom of God is at hand. This is what Jesus (S) was preaching, it was for you to “REPENT” and believe the “Good News” of the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth and that was the purpose, he said:

I must preach KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for THIS PURPOSE I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV)

So when he instructed his disciples to Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creatures (Mark 16:15), he was instructed them to go into the world and inform them of the GOOD NEWS OF THE COMING OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD WHICH IS ANOTHER MESSAGE.  THE QURAN THEN CONFORMS IT.

Br. Zainool

Shoe shoe now the muslim's can use the corrupted gospel so tenderly to make thier false prophecies about the quran so the lost sheep of Isreal is in fact the arabs which part of the gospel is corrupted and what part is not corrupted was corrupt before Muhammads time or after Muhammads time or just as Muhammad's followers start compiling the bits and pieces of the quran after he passed away THE GOOD NEWS IS THE QURAN IS NOT THE GOOD NEWS AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THE QURAN IS THE BAD NEWS.


Posted By: Power of GOD
Date Posted: 13 August 2014 at 9:16pm
In 1064, Ibn-Khazem, FIRST charged that the Bible had been
     corrupted and the Bible falsified. This charge was to defend
     Islam against Christianity because Ibn-Khazem come upon
     differences and contradiction between the Bible and the
     Quran. Believing, by faith that the Quran was true, the Bible
     must then be false. He said, "Since the Quran must be true it
     must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But
     Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the
     present text must have been falsified by the Christians after
     the time of Muhammad."
     His argument was not based on any evidence or historical facts
     but only on his personal faith, reasoning and desire to
     safeguard the Quran.
     This led him to teach that, "The Christians lost the revealed
     Gospel except for a few traces which God has left intact as
     argument against them."
 
Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

“The Bible says that God is holy, holy, holy. Not that He is merely holy, or even holy, holy. He is holy, holy, holy. The Bible never says that God is love, love, love, or mercy, mercy, mercy, or wrath, wrath, wrath, or justice, justice, justice. It does say that He is holy, holy, holy, the whole earth is full of His glory

So what you wanted tell us that Gabriel is holier than God in terms of speaking of the Holy spirit cause it is God's spirit.
 
Who is like Thee among the gods, O LORD? Who is like Thee, majestic in holiness, Awesome in praises, working wonders? ( javascript:%7b%7d - Exodus 15:11 ). 2 “There is no one holy like the LORD, Indeed, there is no one besides Thee, Nor is there any rock like our God ( javascript:%7b%7d - 1 Samuel 2:2 ).
 
When we use the word holy to describe God, we face another problem. We often describe God by compiling a list of qualities or characteristics that we call attributes. We say that God is a spirit, that He knows everything, that He is loving, just, merciful, gracious, and so on. The tendency is to add the idea of the holy to this long list of attributes as one attribute among many. But when the word holy is applied to God, it does not signify one single attribute. On the contrary, God is called holy in a general sense. The word is used as a synonym for his deity. That is, the word holy calls attention to all that God is. It reminds us that His love is holy love, his justice is holy justice, his mercy is holy mercy, his knowledge is holy knowledge, his spirit is holy spirit.

The promises of the coming of Messiah in the Old Testament became increasingly specific, until it was evident that Messiah must not only be human but divine (see javascript:%7b%7d - Isaiah 9:6-7 ; javascript:%7b%7d - Micah 5:2 ). As such, He must be holy. And so, when the angel told Mary of the child to be miraculously born of her, a virgin, he said, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God” ( javascript:%7b%7d - Luke 1:35 , emphasis mine).

If you have read this Gabriel said the Holy spirit will come upon "not I angel Gabriel" how can you say that Gabriel is the Holy spirit only God can be the Holy spirit
 
The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures, including http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Acts%205.3-4 - Acts 5:3-4 . In this verse Peter confronts Ananias as to why he lied to the Holy Spirit and tells him that he had “not lied to men but to God.” It is a clear declaration that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. We can also know that the Holy Spirit is God because He possesses the characteristics of God. For example, His omnipresence is seen in http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Psalm%20139.7-8 - Psalm 139:7-8 , “Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.” Then in http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Corinthians%202.10-11 - 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 , we see the characteristic of omniscience in the Holy Spirit. “But God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”

We can know that the Holy Spirit is indeed a divine person because He possesses a mind, emotions, and a will. The Holy Spirit thinks and knows ( http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Corinthians%202.10 - 1 Corinthians 2:10 ). The Holy Spirit can be grieved ( http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ephesians%204.30 - Ephesians 4:30 ). The Spirit intercedes for us ( http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Romans%208.26-27 - Romans 8:26-27 ). He makes decisions according to His will ( http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Corinthians%2012.7-11 - 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 ). The Holy Spirit is God, the third Person of the Trinity. As God, the Holy Spirit can truly function as the Comforter and Counselor that Jesus promised He would be ( http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%2014.16 - John 14:16 , http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%2014.26 - 26 , http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%2015.26 - 15:26 ).
 
So please do not mock God to say something else is Holier than God Yahwe.


 




Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 15 August 2014 at 12:10am
Typical! A Christian quoting Paul.

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Posted By: Power of GOD
Date Posted: 22 August 2014 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Peace to all!


Jesus (S) said: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy KINGDOM COME, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10)

Jesus (S) preached when the Kingdom of God would have come then "THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH...in others words "SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD WILL BE DONE ON EARTH OR I should say ISLAM would be done on earth.

 

He said: “I must preach KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV)


  He was sent to preach the coming of Qur'an (The Kingdom of God).


WHAT IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HOW IT WILL COME?

His disciples thought that the kingdom of God will come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:20&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Luke 17:20 )

 

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)

The “grain of mustard seed” is a message; and the “man” is the one who will delivered that message; it mentioned in Revelation 12 and 14; and the coming of that message is the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth. In the book of Revelation Chapter12 it mentioned the coming of a “man child” who would have rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival “then” Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come, God’s Law (his will) shall establish on earth Meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation 14 conforms that …. And in Luke 21 he told them to look for the sign for it coming, it was yet to come.

“And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God… (Rev.12:5-10.)”

      That would be after the demise of Jesus (S)

 

Revelation 14:6-7 it mentioned:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - )

That is the future tense! The book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The Bible), which is already here; it’s mentioned of an “angel coming from heaven” with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The same Greek word “Euaggelizo” which translates as Gospel which is the Good News, it mentioned also in revelation 14. The NWT got correct translation:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven, and it was describe as a “Judgment” to “preach” to all nations. That Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth (all nations). What Jesus (S) said? He said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on earth!”

The Judgment mentioned there was the law it is in Isaiah 42 and John 16:8 it mentioned:

 “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:1-4)

“And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8)

It says: “till he has set judgment in the earth and the isles shall wait for His LAW”. As we can see the everlasting Good News for all nations is the Judgment to the Gentiles, which is God’s everlasting law on earth.

Allah (S) has described the Qur’an as the “Criterion of judgment between right and wrong”, in fact he name Sura 25 (Chapter 25) Al-Furcon (The Criterion) and this is what he said in verse 1:

Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

What revelation says? It says: 6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people…because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived....” (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Allah (S) says: “Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur’an 2:185)

…it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

Allah (S) says: Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196) And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

       There is no doubt about it, when we go and look into the revelation of former people it is there in Revelation 14:6-7. Look we have more conformation. It mentioned in the Qur’an:

  1. …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50); ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)
  2. And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)
  3. Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)

What Revelation 14-7 says? 

It says: Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!”

Allah (S) said: A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)


Br. Zainool

Matthew 7:15-20 and 24:23-26Jesus quote specificaly that there will be no other prophet after him this means false prophets included and this strongly stated with God's approval that there will be no other prophets after Jesus so Jesus was and still is the final step in God's plan and the only way to salvation for man kind in this world no matter how hard you fight against it.
A good tree can not bear bad fruit and a bad tree can not bear good fruit.
AT that time if anyone says to you,Look here is the Messiah  or  there he is  do not believe it.  For false  messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive if possible, even the elect  See I have told you ahead of time.
Take note !  Jesus strongly stated I have told you ahead of time. 


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 03 September 2014 at 9:46am
Originally posted by Power of GOD


 
The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures, including http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Acts%205.3-4 - - Psalm 139:7-8 , “Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.” Then in http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Corinthians%202.10-11 - - 1 Corinthians 2:10 ). The Holy Spirit can be grieved ( http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ephesians%204.30 - - Romans 8:26-27 ). He makes decisions according to His will ( http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Corinthians%2012.7-11 - - John 14:16 , http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%2014.26 - - 15:26 ).
 
So please do not mock God to say something else is Holier than God Yahwe.




Peace unto you!

Power of god, what you just did there is quote some verses to formulate a "DOCTRINE" and attributed it to God.

The Spirit of God is his creation and is no where a part of God. For example I can say the Prophet of God, the angel of God, the slave of God ca we say there are part of the God? No!

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Jesus (S) is a faithful witness back there in the beginning:

“John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from “him” which is, and which was, and which is to come; “and” from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; V.5 “And” from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness…” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:4-5&version=9 - -5

  As you can see all are distinct personality, First God Almighty: Grace be unto you, and peace, from ‘him’ which is, and which was, and which is to come”; then the seven Spirits which is before the throne: “and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and then Jesus Christ who is a Faithfull witness: “and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness”. If the seven Spirits of God Almighty was part of Him well then they would also be on the throne, but they were before the throne worshiping God Almighty. So the One, which is, which was and which is to come is “GOD ALMIGHTY” because God Almighty existed as he is, He was here when Adam was created on earth; and is yet to come in the end. In Rev. 1: 8 mentioned that! He is the ALMIGHTY:

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY. Rev.1:8 

The seven spirits were before Almighty God’s Throne and Jesus (S) was a “faithful witness”. In Revelation 4: 2-11 and 5:1-7 mentioned who was on the Throne:

Revelation 4:2-11:

And immediately I (John) was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Rev. 4:2

The one that sits on the throne is God!

And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. Rev.4:3

 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Rev.4:4 

And out of the throne preceded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Rev.4:5  

The seven Spirit is before the throne and not on the throne; they are not part of God Almighty.

And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, Rev.4:9

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Rev.4:11

THE ONE THAT SITS ON THE THRONE:

Revelation 5

And I saw in the right hand of “him that sat on the throne” a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Rev.5:1

The One that sits on the throne has a book, and what he did with it? Let’s find out.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.Rev.5:5

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Rev.5:6

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Rev.5:7

You see that? The One that sits on the throne has a book, and what happen with the book? The lamb took it. So, who took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne? The Lamb! And who is sitting on the throne? God Almighty!

Nothing new! It’s all in Revelation 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John. Rev.1:1

“For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." (John 12:49)

And who was Jesus (S)? Revelation 1:5 says:

“Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness!

And who is God Almighty? He is the “creator”:

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.  Rev.4:11

And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,” Rev.4:9 

Br. zainool


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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 03 September 2014 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by Power of GOD

 
Shoe shoe now the muslim's can use the corrupted gospel so tenderly to make thier false prophecies about the quran so the lost sheep of Isreal is in fact the arabs which part of the gospel is corrupted and what part is not corrupted was corrupt before Muhammads time or after Muhammads time or just as Muhammad's followers start compiling the bits and pieces of the quran after he passed away THE GOOD NEWS IS THE QURAN IS NOT THE GOOD NEWS AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THE QURAN IS THE BAD NEWS.


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Peace unto you!

I have no idea whats your point in relation to my post. I never said anything about corrupt gospel.

This is what I've said:

Now where in the writings it mentioned Jesus (S) claimed he was sent to the Gentiles but in Mark 16:15 mentioned he sends his disciples to preach the Gospel to all creatures (Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creatures. Mark 16:15). That doesn’t in anyway conforms the he was sent to all creatures; what it did, it conforms, he sent his disciples to preach the Gospel to all creatures. The question is what Gospel he was talking about?

To clarifies that we have to know what Gospel Jesus (S) was talking about and what was his mission to the children of Israel.

His mission to the Children of Israel was to fulfilled the laws for them and inform them of the coming kingdom which is a new law to come:

He said: “For verily I say unto you (Israelites), Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven....."(Matthew 5: 18-19)

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 10:5-6)

Quran conforms:

3:50 (Y. Ali) "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.


Now, when he send his disciples out into the world was not to preach the Law to them the law was for the Israelite, he send them to preach the Gospel.