Originally posted by Reepicheep
I've got a question for you, if you don't mind. I can understand people who call themselves agnostic (i.e., they neither believe nor disbelieve in the existance of God), but atheism I find more puzzling. I think the statements "God does exist" and "God doesn't exist" both require a leap of faith (i.e., neither statement can be proven). Personally, I consider agnosticism to be a more "reasonable" belief than atheism. Do you have any thoughts on this?
Yes I was there too once.
the logical opinion that we must all be truthfully agnostic since proof is just not there. And even if it were, we'd still have to be agnostic as perceived reality may still be incorrect!
It truthfully wasn't until I started reading parts of the bible and that are mythical one (note: again 'atheists' understanding) the holly Qur'an, that I came to the understanding that these 'stories' are so far fetched they just couldn't be true, plus what else to do back then but to write fiction and control the teenagers Lol.
This left me with, what about 'God' itself?
I started looking to science and noticed a very common pattern that has never changed. Everything is natural, natural to the universe. Everything evolves, stars still die, galaxies collide etc etc etc. Nothing seemed supernatural, I mean nothing
ever, past or present. Even the future events are ALL natural.
With the many Gods that are praised (including even our own small Sun and Moon). It seemed MORE logical that either NONE are correct or only one is correct. But that did not deter others praising their own God. So the quest was on to define 'God'. It seemed obvious it wasn't what was written by 'man' because that's just ridiculous plus 'hubris' Lol. So the single only defining statement was that this God created everything. Since that went totally against my scientific natural understanding of everything evolving, then it was apparent to me that there is no god at all
. (bold to help the kids).
I would have been more questionable of my own understandings if God were a plant or a planet, and everyone praised that. But an image of man, is just a joke. I mean aliens laugh as much as I do at the concept of a god.
Thankfully, MOST of the world do not believe in 'Jesus'. Nor does MOST of the world believe in 'Allah'. These religious beliefs are the minority. And thankfully more and more people are opening their eyes to reality.
That's it in simple terms :) But lots of reading and viewing countless videos to get to it. Plus a wealth of life experience and common sense.
On a side note, I find 'atheist forums' extremely disturbing.
When I announce there is no god (obviously) I'm met with that's as bad as a religious person! (you yourself spoke about 'faith' ironically). Atheist forums instruct me to read the Bible (or Qur'an) memorize it, then study science to the Nth degree and finally provide intelligent theoretical knowledgeable comprehensible concise debate on the subject (pretty sure 5 to 20 years pre-work involved! ) My response :
I am not a scientist, nor a religious fool. I know there is no god through common sense alone. When a child asks me, Is there a God, I immediately say NO. Of course not, since a belief in god is ridiculous since it is myth. I then ask the extremely knowledgeable atheist forum what they say to the child, and their response is the SAME as they said to me (ie about 20years study!!! ) My reply back is usually - hypocrites, I want to help children not confuse them even more!
And you? :)