Originally posted by Caringheart
All the words of the qur'an are the words
given by Muhammad and you believe them because he himself claimed they were
I don't believe God is going to send me to
hell for eating pork.
Also curious since it is not enough for a person to say they
believe in the one God, they must also say that they believe in Muhammad.
Is it possible to claim God without
"Any who believes Jesus is God has
Only according to your belief... according to the one you believe in...
Why was there the need for the virgin birth?
You see even what is said in your qu'ran is inaccurate, and incorrect...
The qu'ran is very conflicting with it's
partners is a sin"
We must be careful to discern what this means...
associating partners with God. Did Muhammad have a divine birth? and yet you
can not speak the name of allah without speaking also the name of Muhammad. So
be careful in your discerning.
so it says;
""Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right"
but it also says that those who believe in Jesus as the Son of God do not
believe in allah...
there may be real truth in that...
allah is not our God may be the truth.
It doesn't take alot of reading the qu'ran
to see the problems with it.
and only the qu'ran is claimed to be the word of God, anything else is the word
of man, trying to make things right with the qu'ran... trying to make clear
I will let you know if my opinion changes about the 'whole message' in the
I think islam has taught many good things but that it is also just as far
If Muhammad was a prophet of God, then he
too follows the teaching of Jesus, and thus is able to lead his people to God.
But you must know Jesus.
I only see whenever I study any religion
that there is an underlying thread of mythology that seems to connect them all.
Also, references to Mahamada and muselmans(I only recently discovered that this
word, 'muselman' is the word Ghandi used when referring to muslims)...
and that Mahamada is referred to as a ghost...
and in muslim belief they think Muhammad is the Holy Spirit referred to in the
"Mahamada(Muhammad) appeared at night in front of king Bhojaraja"
... reminiscent of the midnight ride of Muhammad?
Now I know muslims do not 'eat everything' and they do not do so without
Maybe Abraham was the first to figure out
that having one God would put an end to fighting in the family. The divisions
caused by loyalties to differing gods... 'my god is better... more powerful...
stronger... (fill in the blank) than your god...'
Maybe Muhammad saw this too, that having only one god would help to put an end
to striving among his own people.
If you look back into, and study, history
you will find that in the days of polytheism, everyone had their own god which
they thought defended and fought for them. When they won in battles it was
because their 'god' was stronger, better. Having many gods only made it easier
for everyone to fight with one another, always believing that their god was
going to make them the victor. Having one God would help to diminish fighting.
and once you take the Shahada, if you have
doubts and find you have made a mistake, too bad... no way out.
It has been seen in Islam to practice human
condemnation for having 'wrong' beliefs. This is simply a fact and something
that everyone should consider before making such an important decision. I do
not think one can really learn about Islam though without first joining the
ranks. I see this as a problem. Once you're in, no way out. You are bound to
the religion and its requirements.
Right... fear that the
religion can not stand on its own... much like what TG has stated in his views.
and thus the other concern, the "desire to
“improve” the image of Islam among non-Muslims." That there are those
being misled into joining Islam by glossing over, instead of presenting the
unvarnished truth, and once joined not free to leave.
If you join something under false pretenses should you then be held to it? and
yet you are. When you discover this truth which you did not know beforehand, it
is too late for you.
Again, this is not a statement against
muslims, just the religion. I believe there are many wonderful muslim people
who truly wish to be honoring to God.
Of course he could if he had heard the
Psalms, and I am quite sure that he must have been exposed to them in all his
and poetry was the arabic way. Anyone will tell you about the poetic cadences
of the arabian language that make it so lovely to listen to.
I think Muhammad misunderstood the
"There are two ways to approach a
study of Muhammad. One is with reverence and the other is with skepticism.
Thinking persons choose the latter. They are not influenced by the number of
Muslim believers in the world today or by their force of belief because these
are meaningless for determining truth. They care only about fact."
"Whether thou warn them or thou warn
them not it is all one for them; they believe not. (6) Allah hath sealed their
hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering." (surah
The god of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, and
prevents the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, the image of God, from
shining on them... (Biblical scripture)
Who is the god of this world?
Who is it that blinds and deceives?
Regarding Muhammad being an influential
leader. I agree and I think of all the other great leaders for their time who
came through history...
Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and Martin Luther King Jr, come to my mind...
They all did great things for their people, were great leaders for their time.
I think Muhammad fits in with them. They were all ahead of their time.
There have been many people who have changed the course of the world... Abraham
Lincoln, Steve Jobs...
Let's face it after Muhammad died so did his leadership.