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Topic: Books revealed by God to Muhammad
Posted By: TG12345
Subject: Books revealed by God to Muhammad
Date Posted: 06 January 2013 at 9:26pm
Salaam Alaikum. Sorry in advance for all the questions.

I am wondering if according to Islam, the Quran is the only book sent down to Muhammad or were there also other ones?

The term Allah's Book and Allah's Book (Laws) appears several times in Sahih Bukhari, an example would be

Narrated 'Aisha: Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala(1) would be for me." Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her (inheritance) Al-Wala would be for us. "When allah\'s Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al-Wala(1) is for the manumitted." Then allah\'s Apostle stood on the pulpit (or allah\'s Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in allah\'s book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in allah\'s book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446 - #8 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446#446 - #446 )

I copied and pasted this from answering-islam. Just kidding, it was from
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

Does Allah's Book (Laws) in the hadiths refer to the Quran or to some other text?


Thanks so much. Allahma3k.



Replies:
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 07 January 2013 at 2:05am
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum. Sorry in advance for all the questions.

I am wondering if according to Islam, the Quran is the only book sent down to Muhammad or were there also other ones?

The term Allah's Book and Allah's Book (Laws) appears several times in Sahih Bukhari, an example would be

Narrated 'Aisha: Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala(1) would be for me." Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her (inheritance) Al-Wala would be for us. "When allah\'s Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al-Wala(1) is for the manumitted." Then allah\'s Apostle stood on the pulpit (or allah\'s Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in allah\'s book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in allah\'s book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446 - #8 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446#446 - #446 )

I copied and pasted this from answering-islam. Just kidding, it was from
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

Does Allah's Book (Laws) in the hadiths refer to the Quran or to some other text?


Thanks so much. Allahma3k.
 
Wa Alaikkum,
 
I don't know if you have ever read the translation of the Holy Qur'an but the Law or Islamic Shari'a Law is drived from the Holy Qur'an. Similar to what Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala gave to Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salamm) in the Torah the same process is given to Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam).
 
There are explanations given in the Hadiths of Qur'anic verses where the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Sallam) explains in detail the meanings to his companions. In Islam, there is ever only ONE book which is the Holy Qur'an.


Posted By: XTREME
Date Posted: 07 January 2013 at 5:49am
Walaikum Assalam!

In Islam, Quran is the book of Allah. We Muslims believe in the 6-major books of hadith;
Sahih Bukhari
Sahih Muslim
Jami Al-Tirmidhi
Sunan Ibn Majah
Sunan Abu Dawud
Sunan Abu Sughra

But being we must have a faith on the previous holy books and Prophets. As, there were 104 holy books and apporximately 124, 000 Prophets.

Jazak Allah Kher!


Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 07 January 2013 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by TG12345


Narrated 'Aisha: Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala(1) would be for me." Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her (inheritance) Al-Wala would be for us. "When allah\'s Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al-Wala(1) is for the manumitted." Then allah\'s Apostle stood on the pulpit (or allah\'s Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in allah\'s book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in allah\'s book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446 - #8 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446#446 - #446 )

I really don't understand this hadith so I will clarify couple words.
manumission = FREE
Al-Wala        = INHERITANCE
So Barira a slave woman came to Aishah inquiring about her freedom. And Aishah said that she was willing to buy her to be her slave, BUT, Barira's inheritance would be for Aishah.
Yet again her master offered Aishah with different offer. He said he asked Aishah to pay the remaining price, BUT he also want Barira's inheritance.
Than Rosulallah told Aishah just to buy her than free her, BUT in here her inheritance is for Barira herself.

Right.

What is this inheritance all about that Aishah want it and her master also want it? and where that inheritance came from? She was a slave with nothing, she could not even freed herself!!


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 08 January 2013 at 4:26am
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum. Sorry in advance for all the questions.

I am wondering if according to Islam, the Quran is the only book sent down to Muhammad or were there also other ones?

The term Allah's Book and Allah's Book (Laws) appears several times in Sahih Bukhari, an example would be

Narrated 'Aisha: Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala(1) would be for me." Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her (inheritance) Al-Wala would be for us. "When allah\'s Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al-Wala(1) is for the manumitted." Then allah\'s Apostle stood on the pulpit (or allah\'s Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in allah\'s book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in allah\'s book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446 - #8 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446#446 - #446 )

I copied and pasted this from answering-islam. Just kidding, it was from
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

Does Allah's Book (Laws) in the hadiths refer to the Quran or to some other text?


Thanks so much. Allahma3k.
 
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Wa Alaikkum,
 
I don't know if you have ever read the translation of the Holy Qur'an but the Law or Islamic Shari'a Law is drived from the Holy Qur'an. Similar to what Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala gave to Prophet Musa (Alayhi Salamm) in the Torah the same process is given to Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam).
 
There are explanations given in the Hadiths of Qur'anic verses where the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Sallam) explains in detail the meanings to his companions. In Islam, there is ever only ONE book which is the Holy Qur'an.


Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren and thank you for the explanation. To clarify, is Allah's Book (Laws) a reference to the Quran?

Were the Laws in Muhammad's time in book code like the hadiths and he was referring a book of Laws based on the Quran, or is the Book of Allah (Laws) simply the Quran?

Thanks so much!


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 08 January 2013 at 4:29am
Originally posted by XTREME

Walaikum Assalam!

In Islam, Quran is the book of Allah. We Muslims believe in the 6-major books of hadith;
Sahih Bukhari
Sahih Muslim
Jami Al-Tirmidhi
Sunan Ibn Majah
Sunan Abu Dawud
Sunan Abu Sughra

But being we must have a faith on the previous holy books and Prophets. As, there were 104 holy books and apporximately 124, 000 Prophets.

Jazak Allah Kher!


Thank you, Xtreme. I understand Islam teaches that other prophets came down with holy books. When the hadiths refer to Allah's Book or Allah's Book (Laws) are they referring to these books possibly, or only to the Quran?

Allahma3k.


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 08 January 2013 at 4:31am
Originally posted by nothing


Narrated 'Aisha: Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala(1) would be for me." Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her (inheritance) Al-Wala would be for us. "When allah\'s Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al-Wala(1) is for the manumitted." Then allah\'s Apostle stood on the pulpit (or allah\'s Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in allah\'s book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in allah\'s book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446 - #8 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=8&translator=1&start=0&number=446#446 - #446 )

I really don't understand this hadith so I will clarify couple words.
manumission = FREE
Al-Wala        = INHERITANCE
So Barira a slave woman came to Aishah inquiring about her freedom. And Aishah said that she was willing to buy her to be her slave, BUT, Barira's inheritance would be for Aishah.
Yet again her master offered Aishah with different offer. He said he asked Aishah to pay the remaining price, BUT he also want Barira's inheritance.
Than Rosulallah told Aishah just to buy her than free her, BUT in here her inheritance is for Barira herself.

Right.

What is this inheritance all about that Aishah want it and her master also want it? and where that inheritance came from? She was a slave with nothing, she could not even freed herself!!
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Salaam Alaikum. Intresting take on it, nothing. What do you think Allah's Book (Laws) is a reference to? Thanks.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 09 January 2013 at 1:34am
Originally posted by TG12345

 

Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren and thank you for the explanation. To clarify, is Allah's Book (Laws) a reference to the Quran?

Were the Laws in Muhammad's time in book code like the hadiths and he was referring a book of Laws based on the Quran, or is the Book of Allah (Laws) simply the Quran?

Thanks so much!
 
Allah's Book (Laws) is only a reference to the Holy Qur'an for Muslims. However, the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) also testified that the Torah is a book of Law for the Jews.
 
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:

The Jews came to Allah's Messenger (sallallahu%20alaihi%20wa%20sallam) and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu%20alaihi%20wa%20sallam) said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." `Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. `Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet (sallallahu%20alaihi%20wa%20sallam) then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. (`Abdullah bin `Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."

As far as my understanding goes, the Arabs in Prophet Muhammad's (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) did not follow any devine Law. In fact they were all idolators and were lawless until the Laws in the Holy Qur'an were revealed.
 
You're probably confused about the relationship between the Holy Qur'an and the Hadiths. The Holy Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) through the Archangel Jibril (Alayhi Salaam) therefore this book is directly from God. The Hadiths however are the record of the actions and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alahyhi Wa Sallam) as recorded by his companions. In these Hadiths the Holy Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) explains the meanings of the Holy Qur'an and other things such as how we are to conduct ourselves in this world to receive God's Mercy.


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 10 January 2013 at 4:41am
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by TG12345

 

Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren and thank you for the explanation. To clarify, is Allah's Book (Laws) a reference to the Quran?

Were the Laws in Muhammad's time in book code like the hadiths and he was referring a book of Laws based on the Quran, or is the Book of Allah (Laws) simply the Quran?

Thanks so much!
 
Allah's Book (Laws) is only a reference to the Holy Qur'an for Muslims. However, the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) also testified that the Torah is a book of Law for the Jews.
 
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:

The Jews came to Allah's Messenger (sallallahu%20alaihi%20wa%20sallam) and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu%20alaihi%20wa%20sallam) said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." `Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. `Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet (sallallahu%20alaihi%20wa%20sallam) then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. (`Abdullah bin `Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."

As far as my understanding goes, the Arabs in Prophet Muhammad's (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) did not follow any devine Law. In fact they were all idolators and were lawless until the Laws in the Holy Qur'an were revealed.
 
You're probably confused about the relationship between the Holy Qur'an and the Hadiths. The Holy Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) through the Archangel Jibril (Alayhi Salaam) therefore this book is directly from God. The Hadiths however are the record of the actions and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alahyhi Wa Sallam) as recorded by his companions. In these Hadiths the Holy Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) explains the meanings of the Holy Qur'an and other things such as how we are to conduct ourselves in this world to receive God's Mercy.


Salaam Alaikum,

If I understand correctly, the Book of Allah (Laws) is according to your understanding only the Quran when mentioned in the hadiths, and when the Torah is mentioned it is mentioned as the Torah and Muhammad used it to judge the Jews when they asked him to pass judgement in the case of the man and woman who committed adultery. The Quran is a book you believe was given by God to Muhammad through Gabriel, and the hadiths are an explanation of what the Quran teaches as well as other things that are important to know to live in a way that is pleasing to God.

 Would that be a correct understanding of your words? Thanks.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 10 January 2013 at 9:54am
Originally posted by TG12345

 
Salaam Alaikum,

If I understand correctly, the Book of Allah (Laws) is according to your understanding only the Quran when mentioned in the hadiths, and when the Torah is mentioned it is mentioned as the Torah and Muhammad used it to judge the Jews when they asked him to pass judgement in the case of the man and woman who committed adultery. The Quran is a book you believe was given by God to Muhammad through Gabriel, and the hadiths are an explanation of what the Quran teaches as well as other things that are important to know to live in a way that is pleasing to God.

 Would that be a correct understanding of your words? Thanks.
 
Do you have problems understanding English?


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 10 January 2013 at 4:14pm
 
Originally posted by TG12345

 
Salaam Alaikum,

If I understand correctly, the Book of Allah (Laws) is according to your understanding only the Quran when mentioned in the hadiths, and when the Torah is mentioned it is mentioned as the Torah and Muhammad used it to judge the Jews when they asked him to pass judgement in the case of the man and woman who committed adultery. The Quran is a book you believe was given by God to Muhammad through Gabriel, and the hadiths are an explanation of what the Quran teaches as well as other things that are important to know to live in a way that is pleasing to God.

 Would that be a correct understanding of your words? Thanks.
 
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Do you have problems understanding English?


Thanks for asking, that is very considerate of you. English actually isn't my first language but no, I don't have problems understanding it. I asked to clarify if I understood what you were saying correctly, so I am not misinterpreting you or twisting your words.




Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 10 January 2013 at 5:30pm
Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren.

Is "Allah's Book" a reference to the Quran in this hadith? I am assuming this is the case, since I don't see why a Bedouin would want Muhammad to judge his son on the basis of the Torah.

"Allah's Book" in this hadith refers to the Quran, right? If I am wrong, please correct me. Thanks. Smile


(34) Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were with Allah's Apostle a bedouin got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Settle my case according to Allah's Book (Laws)." Then his opponent got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! He has said the truth! Settle his case according to Allah's Book (Laws.) and allow me to speak," He said, "My son was a laborer for this man and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death but I ransomed him with one-hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious learned people and they told me that his wife should be stoned to death and my son should receive one-hundred lashes and be sentenced to one year of exile.' The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Book (Laws): As for the slave girl and the sheep, they are to be returned; and as for your son, he shall receive one-hundred lashes and will be exiled for one year. You, O Unais!" addressing a man from Bani Aslam, "Go tomorrow morning to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses, then stone her to death." The next morning Unais went to the wife and she confessed, and he stoned her to death.  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365 - #91 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365#365 - #365 )

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah\%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=50&search_word=exact





Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 11 January 2013 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren.

Is "Allah's Book" a reference to the Quran in this hadith? I am assuming this is the case, since I don't see why a Bedouin would want Muhammad to judge his son on the basis of the Torah.

"Allah's Book" in this hadith refers to the Quran, right? If I am wrong, please correct me. Thanks. Smile


(34) Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were with Allah's Apostle a bedouin got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Settle my case according to Allah's Book (Laws)." Then his opponent got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! He has said the truth! Settle his case according to Allah's Book (Laws.) and allow me to speak," He said, "My son was a laborer for this man and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death but I ransomed him with one-hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious learned people and they told me that his wife should be stoned to death and my son should receive one-hundred lashes and be sentenced to one year of exile.' The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Book (Laws): As for the slave girl and the sheep, they are to be returned; and as for your son, he shall receive one-hundred lashes and will be exiled for one year. You, O Unais!" addressing a man from Bani Aslam, "Go tomorrow morning to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses, then stone her to death." The next morning Unais went to the wife and she confessed, and he stoned her to death.  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365 - #91 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365#365 - #365 )

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah\%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=50&search_word=exact



 
Yes from the Holy Qur'an. 100 lashes for fornication and stoning for adultery.


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 12 January 2013 at 6:31am
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren.

Is "Allah's Book" a reference to the Quran in this hadith? I am assuming this is the case, since I don't see why a Bedouin would want Muhammad to judge his son on the basis of the Torah.

"Allah's Book" in this hadith refers to the Quran, right? If I am wrong, please correct me. Thanks. Smile


(34) Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were with Allah's Apostle a bedouin got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Settle my case according to Allah's Book (Laws)." Then his opponent got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! He has said the truth! Settle his case according to Allah's Book (Laws.) and allow me to speak," He said, "My son was a laborer for this man and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death but I ransomed him with one-hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious learned people and they told me that his wife should be stoned to death and my son should receive one-hundred lashes and be sentenced to one year of exile.' The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Book (Laws): As for the slave girl and the sheep, they are to be returned; and as for your son, he shall receive one-hundred lashes and will be exiled for one year. You, O Unais!" addressing a man from Bani Aslam, "Go tomorrow morning to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses, then stone her to death." The next morning Unais went to the wife and she confessed, and he stoned her to death.  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365 - #91 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365#365 - #365 )

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah\%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=50&search_word=exact



 
Yes from the Holy Qur'an. 100 lashes for fornication and stoning for adultery.


Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren. The Quran does indeed prescribe 100 lashes for fornication. Where does it prescribe stoning for adultery? Also, where does it prescribe exile for fornicators? Thanks.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 13 January 2013 at 1:51am
Originally posted by TG12345

Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren.

Is "Allah's Book" a reference to the Quran in this hadith? I am assuming this is the case, since I don't see why a Bedouin would want Muhammad to judge his son on the basis of the Torah.

"Allah's Book" in this hadith refers to the Quran, right? If I am wrong, please correct me. Thanks. Smile


(34) Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were with Allah's Apostle a bedouin got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Settle my case according to Allah's Book (Laws)." Then his opponent got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! He has said the truth! Settle his case according to Allah's Book (Laws.) and allow me to speak," He said, "My son was a laborer for this man and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death but I ransomed him with one-hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious learned people and they told me that his wife should be stoned to death and my son should receive one-hundred lashes and be sentenced to one year of exile.' The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Book (Laws): As for the slave girl and the sheep, they are to be returned; and as for your son, he shall receive one-hundred lashes and will be exiled for one year. You, O Unais!" addressing a man from Bani Aslam, "Go tomorrow morning to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses, then stone her to death." The next morning Unais went to the wife and she confessed, and he stoned her to death.  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365 - #91 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365#365 - #365 )

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah\%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=50&search_word=exact



 
Yes from the Holy Qur'an. 100 lashes for fornication and stoning for adultery.


Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren. The Quran does indeed prescribe 100 lashes for fornication. Where does it prescribe stoning for adultery? Also, where does it prescribe exile for fornicators? Thanks.
 

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Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way. 4:15

تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn

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As for those of your women who commit lewdness, adultery, call four, Muslim men, of you to witness against them; and if they witness, against them such [lewdness], then detain them in their houses, and prevent them from mixing with people, until, the angels of, death take them or, until, God appoints for them a way, out of it. This was stipulated for them at the very beginning of Islam, but then a way out was appointed for them through [the stipulation] that the virgin should receive a hundred lashes and be banished for a year, and the married woman be stoned. The prescribed punishment was explained thus in the hadīth, ‘Come listen to me! Come listen to me! God has now made a way out for them’, as reported by Muslim.



Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 13 January 2013 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by TG12345

Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren.

Is "Allah's Book" a reference to the Quran in this hadith? I am assuming this is the case, since I don't see why a Bedouin would want Muhammad to judge his son on the basis of the Torah.

"Allah's Book" in this hadith refers to the Quran, right? If I am wrong, please correct me. Thanks. Smile


(34) Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were with Allah's Apostle a bedouin got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Settle my case according to Allah's Book (Laws)." Then his opponent got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! He has said the truth! Settle his case according to Allah's Book (Laws.) and allow me to speak," He said, "My son was a laborer for this man and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death but I ransomed him with one-hundred sheep and a slave girl. Then I asked the religious learned people and they told me that his wife should be stoned to death and my son should receive one-hundred lashes and be sentenced to one year of exile.' The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, I will judge between you according to Allah's Book (Laws): As for the slave girl and the sheep, they are to be returned; and as for your son, he shall receive one-hundred lashes and will be exiled for one year. You, O Unais!" addressing a man from Bani Aslam, "Go tomorrow morning to the wife of this (man) and if she confesses, then stone her to death." The next morning Unais went to the wife and she confessed, and he stoned her to death.  (Book http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365 - #91 , Hadith http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=91&translator=1&start=0&number=365#365 - #365 )

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah\%27s+book&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=50&search_word=exact



 
Yes from the Holy Qur'an. 100 lashes for fornication and stoning for adultery.


Salaam Alaikum, Abu Loren. The Quran does indeed prescribe 100 lashes for fornication. Where does it prescribe stoning for adultery? Also, where does it prescribe exile for fornicators? Thanks.
 

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Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way. 4:15

تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn

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As for those of your women who commit lewdness, adultery, call four, Muslim men, of you to witness against them; and if they witness, against them such [lewdness], then detain them in their houses, and prevent them from mixing with people, until, the angels of, death take them or, until, God appoints for them a way, out of it. This was stipulated for them at the very beginning of Islam, but then a way out was appointed for them through [the stipulation] that the virgin should receive a hundred lashes and be banished for a year, and the married woman be stoned. The prescribed punishment was explained thus in the hadīth, ‘Come listen to me! Come listen to me! God has now made a way out for them’, as reported by Muslim.



Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren,

I asked you an example from the Quran where adulterers are sentenced to stoning, you provided with me with tafsir Ibn Kathir.

This is the verse:

Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way. 4:15


Please show me where the word "stoning" is found in the above verse. Was Muhammad making his judgement based on the Quran, or on Ibn Kathir's interpretation of it? 4:15 says to confine adulteresses to their homes until they die, or until God finds a better way.

I don't see stoning mentioned anywhere, do you?




Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 13 January 2013 at 12:27pm
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren,

I asked you an example from the Quran where adulterers are sentenced to stoning, you provided with me with tafsir Ibn Kathir.

This is the verse:

Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way. 4:15


Please show me where the word "stoning" is found in the above verse. Was Muhammad making his judgement based on the Quran, or on Ibn Kathir's interpretation of it? 4:15 says to confine adulteresses to their homes until they die, or until God finds a better way.

I don't see stoning mentioned anywhere, do you?


Wa Alaikkum
 
What do you think 'until death takes them' mean? Starve to death?
 
Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has always decreed stoning for adultery as it is a great sin. That rule has not been abrogated. So it still stands, hence the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) followd that ruling.


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 15 January 2013 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren,

I asked you an example from the Quran where adulterers are sentenced to stoning, you provided with me with tafsir Ibn Kathir.

This is the verse:

Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way. 4:15


Please show me where the word "stoning" is found in the above verse. Was Muhammad making his judgement based on the Quran, or on Ibn Kathir's interpretation of it? 4:15 says to confine adulteresses to their homes until they die, or until God finds a better way.

I don't see stoning mentioned anywhere, do you?


Originally posted by Abu Loren

Wa Alaikkum
 
What do you think 'until death takes them' mean? Starve to death?
 
Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has always decreed stoning for adultery as it is a great sin. That rule has not been abrogated. So it still stands, hence the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) followed that ruling.


I don't know what 'until death take them' means, the text does not say.

Even if we were to assume that 'until death take them' means death by stoning, Muhammad would still not have followed the Quran because he gave no order to confine the woman to the house before death (according to you, death by stoning) overtook her.

Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way. 4:15


Where in Muhammad's judgement did he order Unais to confine the woman to her house before executing her? Where is there any evidence that Unais did do this?


Furthermore, why is there a verse in the Quran stating clearly that fornicaters are to be whipped, while not stating that adulterers are to be stoned? 24:2 states that fornicaterers and fornicatresses are to be given 100 stripes. There is no verse explicitly stating that adulterers should be stoned.

24:2


(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement

http://quran.com/24/2

What I find very interesting is that the Yusuf Ali Quran translation (the Quran version I am reading) states this punishment applies to both fornicaterers and adulterers.


The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.


http://quran.com/24/2







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