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common misconception regarding Allah

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Topic: common misconception regarding Allah
Posted By: NABA
Subject: common misconception regarding Allah
Date Posted: 28 December 2012 at 7:30pm
Assalamalecum WA rehmatullahi WA barakhatahu.friends we love and fear Allah and we also say Allah can do anything,based on this fact a TRUE incident took place few days ago,a non Muslim asked a Muslim boy that if Allah can do anything then he can also tell a lie and he can also create a stone which he cannot lift,the boy kept silent simply because of less knowledge regarding Qur'an.in Surah Al Boorj ch 85 v 16 It is mentioned that Allah does only those things which he intends to do.in Surah Al Tahaa ch 20 v 52 it is mentioned that Allah does not lie nor he does wrong things.so friends we should read Qur'an and listen to Islamic lectures regularly in order to answer questions pose to us by non Muslims,for eg few days back I didn't reply,when a non Muslim wished merry Christmas to me,when he asked me I simply gave him a reply based on teachings of Qur'an.Allahfiz



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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 28 December 2012 at 8:31pm
"it is mentioned that Allah does not lie nor he does wrong things"

The quran also says that Allah is the greatest(or best) of deceivers.
How do you resolve this?
and why does allah in the quran condone lying and deception?
When it is clear in the ten commandments given to Moses that lying and deception is a sin?

In Christian belief it is one of the clearest sins to deny Jesus.  Jesus said, 'he that denies Me, he shall be denied by Me at the day of judgement'.  Denying one's faith is said (by Jesus Himself) not to be forgiven.

Thanks for any and all input.  There are passages in the Judeo-Christian scriptures, as well, that those who follow those scriptures must resolve.  All the scriptures have passages that must be resolved.  The most necessary thing is for us to use wisdom to evolve and to find Truth.

Salaam,
CH


Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 7:15am
Yes U R right that Allah is best of the deceivers but to the unbelievers,those who associate others with Allah,those who do sins,those who do not follow commandments of Allah.for eg Allah says in Surah Anam ch 6 v 159 that hey prophet cut your terms with those sho divide people and i will see them on judgement day,by this verse Allah is deceiving sinners by not giving punishment in this world he will give them on Judgement day.I will give U an example Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews and he committed suicide,we all say what a life he lived,he did anything he wanted and then let not others kill him.but Allah says in Surah An Nisa ch 4 v 56 that we will give new skin to the sinners so that they can feel the pain so according to this verse Hitler will feel pain 6 million times on Akhirah,plus Surah Al Ikhlaas ch 112 v 1-4 states that there is no one that can match Allah,so if someone claims to b God and if he lies we Muslims will not accept it as Allah because Surah Al Ikhlaas defines concept of God I.e kulwallah Ul Ahad Allah Us Samad Lamyulid WA lamyulad WA lamya ku lahu kuffuan Ahad.means- say Allah is one,he is eternal,he is neither born nor give birth,there is no one that can match him.Allahfiz


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 3:29pm
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/allah-as-the-best-of-deceivers/ - http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/allah-as-the-best-of-deceivers/


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 9:05pm
Thank you abuayisha,
A most interesting article.
So once again, what matters is what one believes, and how one acts.
Heart


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 31 December 2012 at 2:09pm
Pondering... the other issue I brought up was not addressed. (taqiya)
How is it that your god says it is ok to deny Him when the God of Jesus says the exact opposite?
 


Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 01 January 2013 at 10:22am
Allah never said to deny him,in Qur'an Allah in many places say that he had send many messengers to address people to worship only him and not associate others,he is saying about unbelievers that he will give them severe punishment to them on judgment day,in Surah Al Tahaa ch 20 v 130 Allah orders us to offer Salaah 5 times a day.and for us Muslims and Jesus(pbuh) our God is only one I.e Allah.in Surah Al Imran ch 3 v 52 Jesus(pbuh) addresses to Jews to worship in only one Allah and says we are all Muslims.Also no Muslim is a Muslim if he doesn't respect Jesus(pbuh),we respect him, we love him and rate him one of the best messengers of Allah.Allahfiz


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 09 May 2013 at 9:55pm
allah gives them permission to deny the faith if need be. (surah 16:106)

The God of Yeshua never gives such permission, in fact this is the one unforgiveable sin... to deny the Spirit of God.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

34 ... for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

(the words of Yeshua)


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 10 May 2013 at 7:56am
Allah has given free will to human beings to either worship or deny him.that's the difference between angels and human beings,Allah will give the real result in the hereafter,that's y Allah says this in ch 16 v 106.


Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 10 May 2013 at 11:31am
Originally posted by Caringheart

allah gives them permission to deny the faith if need be. (surah 16:106)

The God of Yeshua never gives such permission, in fact this is the one unforgiveable sin... to deny the Spirit of God.

That sound very cruel to me for someone under duress, considering the different in strength of each individuals. But than again maybe you mean the jealousy is the main factor in this regard? Am I to supposed to understand that compassionate character and the full knowledge of Creator regarding His creation's weaknesses is absent here?


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 11 May 2013 at 10:35pm

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

(the words of Yeshua)




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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 11 May 2013 at 10:38pm

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him: if we deny Him, He also will deny us  (from the letters of Paul)


If God was willing to let His Son suffer and die, proclaiming the Word of God, for men, is it wrong for God not to expect any less of us?  Should we then be free to deny God in order to save our earthly lives?


25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

(the words of Yeshua)



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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 12 May 2013 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

(the words of Yeshua)


This verses above have no connection with the topic you raised Caringheart, which is concerning for any person under duress. It actually strengthening your original statement that stated the Holy Spirit is the uncompromising God even when dealing with weak creatures who are under intense pressure.

Sure there always people who can withstand pressure, but how about the weaker one, will the Holy Spirit still unmoved when seeing his subjects in agony? Because if it is for me to decide I will be very lenient, considering I (always) expect nothing in return anywaySmile. But who am I here, I don't know how his domain works, maybe we are expected to do the same? If it is good enough for him than it is good enough for his subjects to act alike no?

I think it is really up to us to work it out.



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 12 May 2013 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by nothing

I think it is really up to us to work it out.

Greetings nothing,

I think you are correct. 
However, did you skip over my second post?
Do you think it is right that God will accept into His kingdom those who while on earth were willing to deny Him?

Salaam to you, and thanks for this discussion,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever



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