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Topic: Question for Muslims about hadith
Posted By: TG12345
Subject: Question for Muslims about hadith
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 3:30pm
Salaam Alaikum. I was wondering if you could help me with this question. Can you please tell me which hadith books are considered authentic (ie what Muhammad actually said or did) and which ones are not?

I have heard some people say that Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are considered most authentic, is this true? Is Dawud an authentic hadith as well or is it unreliable?

Thanks so much and God bless you.



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Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 6:50pm
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum. I was wondering if you could help me with this question. Can you please tell me which hadith books are considered authentic (ie what Muhammad actually said or did) and which ones are not?

I have heard some people say that Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are considered most authentic, is this true? Is Dawud an authentic hadith as well or is it unreliable?

Thanks so much and God bless you.


Only Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim contain the authentic hadiths.  Sunan Abu Dawud contains both authentic and weak hadiths as well, so it is not always reliable.


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 17 December 2012 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by islamispeace

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum. I was wondering if you could help me with this question. Can you please tell me which hadith books are considered authentic (ie what Muhammad actually said or did) and which ones are not?

I have heard some people say that Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are considered most authentic, is this true? Is Dawud an authentic hadith as well or is it unreliable?

Thanks so much and God bless you.


Only Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim contain the authentic hadiths.  Sunan Abu Dawud contains both authentic and weak hadiths as well, so it is not always reliable.


Shukran, my friend. I thought so as well.

Our of curiousity, how was it decided that Muslim and Bukhari are authentic but Dawood is not?


Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 12:20am
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum. I was wondering if you could help me with this question. Can you please tell me which hadith books are considered authentic (ie what Muhammad actually said or did) and which ones are not?


I read a hadith book long time ago and it compiled only the authentic one. Yet the author comment few times where he states that what authentic from one source considered weak by the other, or even doubtful. So, there you go.

Hadith is ok but I am not a fan of it. I wish I still  have that little note book where I compiled few hadiths where even the most ardent believers of it will say: "Is this real"? Not many but that few have put great doubt in my mind. I stick with the Qur'an.

Salaam.


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 4:41am
Originally posted by nothing

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum. I was wondering if you could help me with this question. Can you please tell me which hadith books are considered authentic (ie what Muhammad actually said or did) and which ones are not?


I read a hadith book long time ago and it compiled only the authentic one. Yet the author comment few times where he states that what authentic from one source considered weak by the other, or even doubtful. So, there you go.

Hadith is ok but I am not a fan of it. I wish I still  have that little note book where I compiled few hadiths where even the most ardent believers of it will say: "Is this real"? Not many but that few have put great doubt in my mind. I stick with the Qur'an.

Salaam.


Alaikum as-salaam, nothing. Thank you for your response.

A Muslim I spoke to once told me that to be Muslim one has to follow both the Quran and hadith, because of verses like 3:31,32 which say to obey God and His messenger.

Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith

How would you respond to this, out of curiosity? Not trying to put you on the spot or anything, but wouldn't following the hadith mean following Muhammad's teachings, which Islam claims are from God?

Thanks again, and please feel free to ask any questions of me regarding my faith as well if you want. Smile


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 9:11am
Assalamu alaika TG 12345.

Be patient. You will get to know the truth in about 3 months time. I will tell you the book to read to understand the meaning and genesis of hadith.

friendship.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 18 December 2012 at 1:54pm
A lot of people without realizing that hadith is not word of God, and its transmission to us was not as careful as the Quran make no distinction between the two, which in my understanding is incorrect. The fact is that Hadith unlike the Quran was not completed in the time of the prophet. And since the hadith was not word of God, rather narrated by people, it has a secondary position when taking in account. So, as much as it is needed to understand aspects of Islamic practices sometimes only mentioned by name in the Quran, one need to be mindful that it can only be taken as word of man, like the present Gospels.
If a hadith contradicts the Quran, of course it is not authentic. Hadith, many times helps us to understand and give us details on things we do on a daily basis, like Salath, social behavior etc.
Just my opinion based on my understanding. We cannot leave the Quran and try to read and follow the Hadith, nor can we neglect the wealth of information in hadith that is needed to fully understand our purpose as a Muslim.
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by TG12345

Originally posted by islamispeace

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum. I was wondering if you could help me with this question. Can you please tell me which hadith books are considered authentic (ie what Muhammad actually said or did) and which ones are not?

I have heard some people say that Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are considered most authentic, is this true? Is Dawud an authentic hadith as well or is it unreliable?

Thanks so much and God bless you.


Only Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim contain the authentic hadiths.  Sunan Abu Dawud contains both authentic and weak hadiths as well, so it is not always reliable.


Shukran, my friend. I thought so as well.

Our of curiousity, how was it decided that Muslim and Bukhari are authentic but Dawood is not?


Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are compilations of hadiths which were judged to be authentic based on a complicated process.  Authenticating hadiths involves analyzing the chain of narration, the text etc.  Also, as brother Hasan has mentioned, if a hadith clearly contradicts the Quran, then it is rejected.  It was through this process that hadiths were authenticated.  When using this process, some hadiths mentioned in Sunan Abu Dawud are found to be "weak". 

Here is a good article explaining the authority of compilations like Sahih Bukhari:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html - http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 20 December 2012 at 12:17am
My understanding is that a Hadith is Daif or weak because the number of narrators on its chain of transmission are much fewer as compared to a sahih hadith or authentic hadith. Also a sahih hadith can even have multiple chains of transmission - which is not the case with a daif hadith. However this does not mean a particular daif hadith is 'weak' in its reliability. So please be careful when you accept or reject anything from the hadith.

Just like HaafidhulQuran, we have hadith scholars who learn by heart not just the hadith alone but also its chain of transmission back to prophet (pbuh).

Another good source of hadith is RiyadusSaliheen by imam Nawawi. This book is in two volumes, and contains relevant quranic verses along with the hadith (most of which are authentic)


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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 20 December 2012 at 4:32am
Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, Nausheen, friendship, honeto and nothing. Thank you for the explanations.

It seems to me like Bukhari and Muslim are the most authentic hadith, and Bukhari compiled his collections after very many years of careful research. Sounds like one cannot be a Muslim without the hadith, but they are not above the Quran.

Would that be correct?

Shukran.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:20pm
Jazakallah,
may Allah increase us in knolwdge, Ameen.
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:35pm
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, Nausheen, friendship, honeto and nothing. Thank you for the explanations. It seems to me like Bukhari and Muslim are the most authentic hadith, and Bukhari compiled his collections after very many years of careful research. Sounds like one cannot be a Muslim without the hadith, but they are not above the Quran.Would that be correct?Shukran.


Waalaikum assalam,

Yes, that would be correct. Alhamdulillah.

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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by Nausheen

My understanding is that a Hadith is Daif or weak because the number of narrators on its chain of transmission are much fewer as compared to a sahih hadith or authentic hadith. Also a sahih hadith can even have multiple chains of transmission - which is not the case with a daif hadith. However this does not mean a particular daif hadith is 'weak' in its reliability. So please be careful when you accept or reject anything from the hadith.

Just like HaafidhulQuran, we have hadith scholars who learn by heart not just the hadith alone but also its chain of transmission back to prophet (pbuh).

Another good source of hadith is RiyadusSaliheen by imam Nawawi. This book is in two volumes, and contains relevant quranic verses along with the hadith (most of which are authentic)

Assalam Alykum Nausheen,
Jazakallah,
may Allah increase us in knolwdge, Ameen.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum islamispeace, Nausheen, friendship, honeto and nothing. Thank you for the explanations. It seems to me like Bukhari and Muslim are the most authentic hadith, and Bukhari compiled his collections after very many years of careful research. Sounds like one cannot be a Muslim without the hadith, but they are not above the Quran.Would that be correct?Shukran.


W'salam,
That seems correct, may Allah guide us all, Ameen.
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: m.sumair
Date Posted: 22 December 2012 at 7:52am
Walakum Assalam brothers n sister, JazakALLAH Khair for having a valueble disscusion. May Allah increase our Knowledge and keep us on the path of truth and proesperity. Ameen


Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 24 December 2012 at 7:35pm
Assalamualaikum Hasan and M.Sumair,

Ameen to your duas.

Waiyyakum

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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.



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