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Topic: Confused?
Posted By: Abu Loren
Subject: Confused?
Date Posted: 12 September 2012 at 12:32pm



Sahih International
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."



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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 12 September 2012 at 2:50pm
Salam,
What's the confusion brother?
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 2:49am
Originally posted by honeto

Salam,
What's the confusion brother?
Hasan
 
The confusion is that Christians seems to think that the Muslims believe in a God other the One they worship.


Posted By: Cyril
Date Posted: 14 September 2012 at 8:46am
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by honeto

Salam,
What's the confusion brother?
Hasan
 
The confusion is that Christians seems to think that the Muslims believe in a God other the One they worship.


Christians believe in a tri-une God. I don't think Muslims believe in such a God.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 14 September 2012 at 11:25pm
Originally posted by Cyril


Christians believe in a tri-une God. I don't think Muslims believe in such a God.[/QUOTE]

The point of this thread is to highlight that the Christians say that the Muslims pray to a different God than the One they pray to. I've highlighted the verse for clarification.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 19 September 2012 at 2:59pm
Brother,
we Muslims believe that there is only One God. That's why we don't have any such problem like the Christians have, to say so and so worships a different God. They may think that there is more than one God or think that we believe and serve a different God than them, they are wrong.
The real issue is not that there is more than one God rather more than one belief about God, who is God? and how do people worship and serve Him.
For us its a blasphemy to think or believe that there are other gods, Allah will deal with them on the Day.

16:51 (Y. Ali) Allah has said: "Take not (for worship) two gods: for He is just One Allah. then fear Me (and Me alone)."

Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Mahdi The Seeke
Date Posted: 20 September 2012 at 1:40am
Christians do not believe in Quran so whatever you quote from it is nonsense to them.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 20 September 2012 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Christians do not believe in Quran so whatever you quote from it is nonsense to them.


Just like the staff of Musa (pbuh) which turned into a serpent and devoured the falsehood of the magicians of Pharaoh, the truth will defeat falsehood.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 20 September 2012 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Christians do not believe in Quran so whatever you quote from it is nonsense to them.


Thanks, and I completely understand that and always use Biblical quotes for them. I was responding to brother Abu Loren.
But for the followers of the Bible here is a quote:
Deut.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Only if Christians follow this basic command they will be guided. So its them that are wrong when they worship others beside God.
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 20 September 2012 at 7:41pm
If they believe you follow a different God it is because of the Qur'an which you follow.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 26 September 2012 at 7:54am
Originally posted by Caringheart

If they believe you follow a different God it is because of the Qur'an which you follow.



So you are saying that the Holy Qur'an is the Words of another God? How many times do we have to tell you that there is only ONE GOD. What makes you think that the Holy Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) by another god? Do you believe the Holy Qur'an is from satan?


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 26 September 2012 at 12:39pm
@ Abu Loren,

I am saying that if others believe Muslims follow a different God it is because of the book that they follow.
I myself have not reached a definitive conclusion as regards the Qur'an.  It is something which God will reveal in His time.

Blessings,
Caringheart


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 26 September 2012 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

If they believe you follow a different God it is because of the Qur'an which you follow.


Caringheart,
Can you show that the Quran directs its followers to a new God? Do you really think that there is more than one God?
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 26 September 2012 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Caringheart

If they believe you follow a different God it is because of the Qur'an which you follow.


Caringheart,
Can you show that the Quran directs its followers to a new God? Do you really think that there is more than one God?
Hasan


Greetings Hasan,
I can appreciate your questions.
Again, it would help if I knew if you had read my reply to Abu...

I see alot of negatives in the teaching of Muhammad.  I see that the Qur'an sets its followers against everyone and everything.  I see this as a deception to get people to have pride and arrogance, and to bear hatred towards others, instead of love.  I believe in the message of Jesus... that God is Love.

I personally believe what the Bible says...
'that we see now as through a glass darkly... then we will know in full'

Until I meet my maker face to face anything is possible.  I have an equal chance with everyone else of being wrong in what I believe.  Do I believe I am wrong?  No, because I feel God's presence strongly in His Word, and I see the wisdom in it.  I feel God in my quiet time with Him as I listen for His voice.  I see that He has been there in all the blessings of my life, along with in the trials.  I have seen lives changed.
Do I believe there is an equal chance that God calls others in other ways?  Sure, why not?  Why would our Creator be simple and one dimensional?

Again, I think the message of God to His creation is to simply love one another, care for one another, putting self aside.  I see that people of other beliefs are equally able to do this.

But regardless, what I believe is irrelevant.
What matters is how we treat one another, and what God judges in the end.  I believe the journey to God is long and varied.  I believe God is nowhere near as simple as the human mind wants to make Him out to be.

Blessings,
Caringheart

[note:  a discussion of Muhammad would be a whole other thread, but it would be a discussion I would love to be able to have openly.]


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 02 October 2012 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by Caringheart




Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Caringheart

If they believe you follow a different God it is because of the Qur'an which you follow.


Caringheart,
Can you show that the Quran directs its followers to a new God? Do you really think that there is more than one God?
Hasan
Greetings Hasan,I can appreciate your questions.

Again, it would help if I knew if you had read my reply to Abu...



I see alot of negatives in the teaching of Muhammad. I see that the
Qur'an sets its followers against everyone and everything. I see this
as a deception to get people to have pride and arrogance, and to bear
hatred towards others, instead of love. I believe in the message of
Jesus... that God is Love.



I personally believe what the Bible says...

'that we see now as through a glass darkly... then we will know in full'


Until I meet my maker face to face anything is possible. I have an
equal chance with everyone else of being wrong in what I believe. Do I
believe I am wrong? No, because I feel God's presence strongly in His
Word, and I see the wisdom in it. I feel God in my quiet time with Him
as I listen for His voice. I see that He has been there in all the
blessings of my
life, along with in the trials. I have seen lives changed.

Do I believe there is an equal chance that God calls others in other
ways? Sure, why not? Why would our Creator be simple and one
dimensional?



Again, I think the message of God to His creation is to simply love one
another, care for one another, putting self aside. I see that people
of other beliefs are equally able to do this.



But regardless, what I believe is irrelevant.

What matters is how we treat one another, and what God judges in the
end. I believe the journey to God is long and varied. I believe God
is nowhere near as simple as the human mind wants to make Him out to be.

Blessings,
Caringheart[note: a discussion of Muhammad would be a whole other thread, but it would be a discussion I would love to be able to have openly.]


Caringheart,
short memory dear friend. I do not know which Bible you are talking about. The Ones that I have are way far more violent and crude than any religious book I have ever read.
What you call negatives of the Quran are those out of context lines that you Larry and Kish often post. When we post the complete verse see it in context you change over to other things!

Do you really think that Bible does not have any negative things? All in peace and harmony all hunky dory? There is no violence nor killing of innocents, no sexual misconduct and so on?
Please let me know if your anwer is no, so I can bring to your attention which parts of the Bible you have been missing, or simply close your eyes over, or turn the page over!
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"



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