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Topic: G-D
Posted By: malaviijurai
Subject: G-D
Date Posted: 08 September 2012 at 3:31pm
i come here today to ask in a intelligent forum some questions i have about Islam. i hope i receive with respectful answers.

first let me say i was raised christian my whole life. as of the last year i felt i needed to know the truth i prayed to g-d for the truth, i was lead to Judaism.
my prayers were granted and through Hashem i found peace and g-d as i have never known.

i understand Islam worships the same g-d of Abraham Issac and Jacob, and fully believes in the prophets.

if this is the case why do some muslims call for the destruction of israel when g-d himself says the following.
Jeremiah 30:3
Amos 9:14
isaiah 61:8-11

there are many more prophesies concerning Israel and those who follow g-ds commandments, not just Jews. these prophecies come from the same g-d we believe in.

i wish to live a quiet peaceful life and live for Hashem. why is this an issue for some muslims.

peace scott.



Replies:
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 20 September 2012 at 8:15pm
Sorry you have not gotten any answers.  I cannot help.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 21 September 2012 at 10:00am
Originally posted by malaviijurai

i come here today to ask in a intelligent forum some questions i have about Islam. i hope i receive with respectful answers. first let me say i was raised christian my whole life. as of the last year i felt i needed to know the truth i prayed to g-d for the truth, i was lead to Judaism.my prayers were granted and through Hashem i found peace and g-d as i have never known.i understand Islam worships the same g-d of Abraham Issac and Jacob, and fully believes in the prophets.if this is the case why do some muslims call for the destruction of israel when g-d himself says the following.<span ="reding">Jeremiah 30:3</span><span ="reding">Amos 9:14</span>isaiah 61:8-11there are many more prophesies concerning Israel and those who follow g-ds commandments, not just Jews. these prophecies come from the same g-d we believe in.i wish to live a quiet peaceful life and live for Hashem. why is this an issue for some muslims.peace scott.



As'alaamu Alaikkum

The Children of Israel were blessed by God Almighty but they called themselves 'Jews' and excluded the rest of humanity saying that they were the only chosen people of God. Then when Moses (pbuh) was given the Torah the scribes and priests corrupted it and changed it to suit themselves. They rejected prophet after prophet, messenger after messenger, some they ridiculed and some they killed. So for all of these reasons and more God Almighty has cursed them in this life and in the next.

Sahih International
And We have already sent Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants prophethood and scripture; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.
Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allah . But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.
O you who have believed, fear Allah and believe in His Messenger; He will [then] give you a double portion of His mercy and make for you a light by which you will walk and forgive you; and Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
[This is] so that the People of the Scripture may know that they are not able [to obtain] anything from the bounty of Allah and that [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah ; He gives it to whom He wills. And Allah is the possessor of great bounty.


Posted By: Ghazzali
Date Posted: 24 September 2012 at 5:13pm
May peace be on the guided ones. I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions that is there regarding muslims. When muslims call for the destruction of Israel, they mean the STATE OF ISRAEL, a political entity created in 1948, and NOT THE LAND OF ISRAEL, the geographical entity that has been there for millions of years. In all the religious scriptures, Torah,Injil (Bible), and Qur'an, Allah has mentioned about the land of Israel. Obviously, these scriptures were sent thousands of years before the State of Israel was created in 1948. So, Allah has never said that the STATE OF ISRAEL is a holy country or a blessed country.
We never want any innocent man, woman or children killed, whatever their ideology is. 18% of the population of Israel are muslims. If we meant we want to destroy all people of Israel, then we would have to kill those muslims also. Obviously, it is not what muslims want. We just want the abolishment of the illegal State of Israel, and the establishment of the legal State of Palestine, where jews, muslims, christians and atheists will live together. We always loved and respected the LAND OF ISRAEL, and we do believe it has been blessed by Allah.


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The world is a dangerous place to live in, not because of the bad people, but because of the good people who does not do anything about it.


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 25 September 2012 at 10:53am
Originally posted by Ghazzali

May peace be on the guided ones. I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions that is there regarding muslims. When muslims call for the destruction of Israel, they mean the STATE OF ISRAEL, a political entity created in 1948, and NOT THE LAND OF ISRAEL, the geographical entity that has been there for millions of years. In all the religious scriptures, Torah,Injil (Bible), and Qur'an, Allah has mentioned about the land of Israel. Obviously, these scriptures were sent thousands of years before the State of Israel was created in 1948. So, Allah has never said that the STATE OF ISRAEL is a holy country or a blessed country.
We never want any innocent man, woman or children killed, whatever their ideology is. 18% of the population of Israel are muslims. If we meant we want to destroy all people of Israel, then we would have to kill those muslims also. Obviously, it is not what muslims want. We just want the abolishment of the illegal State of Israel, and the establishment of the legal State of Palestine, where jews, muslims, christians and atheists will live together. We always loved and respected the LAND OF ISRAEL, and we do believe it has been blessed by Allah.


Tell me then, what do you think happens when Ahmadinejad finally creates a nuclear weapon... Will he care about the Muslims living in Israel, and all the surrounding area that will be affected,  when he drops it on Israel to eliminate the "state"... Does he care what happens to those Muslims living there or is he just blinded by his hate and his ideology much the same as H-ler was?


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 26 September 2012 at 3:31pm
Caringheart,
you portrayed as if you confirmed with him that he will do what you say. What is your proof?
On the contrary, it is Israel that is threatening to attack Iran, isn't it?
And what makes them think that only they have hte right to have N. weapons? why others cannot have them.
Also, it is Israel that has committed worse atrocities to it's Muslim population ever since it took power, worse than even Hi-ler did.
Do anyone see any moral decline of them or their supporters.
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 26 September 2012 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by honeto

Caringheart,
you portrayed as if you confirmed with him that he will do what you say. What is your proof?
On the contrary, it is Israel that is threatening to attack Iran, isn't it?
And what makes them think that only they have hte right to have N. weapons? why others cannot have them.
Also, it is Israel that has committed worse atrocities to it's Muslim population ever since it took power, worse than even Hi-ler did.
Do anyone see any moral decline of them or their supporters.
Hasan


Let me ask you Hasan,
What if you lived in a small little state like Israel and these threats were being made against the country in which you lived?  What would you wish your government to be doing?  Would you wish to know that your security was being protected?


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 27 September 2012 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by Caringheart


Originally posted by honeto

Caringheart,
you portrayed as if you confirmed with him that he will do what you say. What is your proof?
On the contrary, it is Israel that is threatening to attack Iran, isn't it?
And what makes them think that only they have hte right to have N. weapons? why others cannot have them.
Also, it is Israel that has committed worse atrocities to it's Muslim population ever since it took power, worse than even Hi-ler did.
Do anyone see any moral decline of them or their supporters.
Hasan
Let me ask you Hasan,What if you lived in a small little state like Israel and these threats were being made against the country in which you lived? What would you wish your government to be doing? Would you wish to know that your security was being protected?

Caringheart,
I am not sure what your question has to do with G-d, the topic?
Anyway, it seems either you do not know the history and current affairs or you pretend to look other way! people on that side of the world know more about what is going on than our average Joe here! You seem to act like that Joe as if you believe what you are being told night and day. A lie does not turn into truth because it is repeated million times over and over on paid media.
Hasan



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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 27 September 2012 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by malaviijurai

i come here today to ask in a intelligent forum some questions i have about Islam. i hope i receive with respectful answers. first let me say i was raised christian my whole life. as of the last year i felt i needed to know the truth i prayed to g-d for the truth, i was lead to Judaism.my prayers were granted and through Hashem i found peace and g-d as i have never known.i understand Islam worships the same g-d of Abraham Issac and Jacob, and fully believes in the prophets.if this is the case why do some muslims call for the destruction of israel when g-d himself says the following.<span ="reding">Jeremiah 30:3</span><span ="reding">Amos 9:14</span>isaiah 61:8-11there are many more prophesies concerning Israel and those who follow g-ds commandments, not just Jews. these prophecies come from the same g-d we believe in.i wish to live a quiet peaceful life and live for Hashem. why is this an issue for some muslims.peace scott.



I welcome you to this forum and am sorry that instead answering to your question, I got tangled with Caringheart.
It is very simple, submission to the Will of God is one thing and wishing destruction of someone or a country is another.
Those who obey God and the teachers, the prophets He sent are on the right guidance. Those who do not are on the wrong path.

Those who seek destruction of Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel and so on are only for self interest and at the end will have only fire as their abode.

A true believer respects human life, cattle and property as God commands in the Quran, the Final Testament.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Ghazzali
Date Posted: 27 September 2012 at 8:21pm
Aassalamualaikum Hasan.

Originally posted by honeto

instead answering to your question, I got tangled with Caringheart.


Ha ha ha, that's why she is here in this forum. To spoil any good debate. She sends me private messages and I send them straight to the trash without even reading it. I don't read her posts anymore. Just ignore her. I suggested her to spend her time on answering-islam.org. Let her waste her time there. Ha ha ha.

"So leave them to plunge in vain talk and play about, until they encounter that Day of theirs which they have been promised!The Day whereon they will issue from their sepulchres in sudden haste as if they were rushing to a goal-post (fixed for them),  Their eyes lowered in dejection, ignominy covering them (all over)! such is the Day the which they are promised! (Qur'an, 70:42-44)

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The world is a dangerous place to live in, not because of the bad people, but because of the good people who does not do anything about it.


Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 28 September 2012 at 3:55am
It seems that some people are mixing the political with the religious. Keep them seperate and you will have a clear view of things Insha'Allah.


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 04 October 2012 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by honeto

A lie does not turn into truth because it is repeated million times over and over on paid media.
Hasan


Where does free media exist... east or west?
Where are you more likely to find truth?


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 05 October 2012 at 3:51pm
There is not such thing as Free media. You can say that media is more free than there, but its all relative. I personally have to go through a lot of different sources from around the world to get a better perspective. There is a media in the east that I have more respect for, it is RT.COM not that they are the truth but because what news you see being suppressed here you might find it covered better there. You have to scan all the sources and then determine best guess. Truth is being suppressed everywhere these days.
For example, we did not know about Joplin mosque burned to the ground here in the US. Or the Toledo mosque's fire attack recently. Many of you did not see these news anywhere, neither did I at first. But on the other hand you get the news of a church attack in Pakitan or somewhere there on all news outlets, why?
Bad acts of all deserve same attention and condemnation.
The real truth only Allah knows and will show us one day (of Allah matters that matter us)
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 05 October 2012 at 5:08pm
Greetings Hasan,

" I personally have to go through a lot of different sources from around the world to get a better perspective."

I agree.  Me too, but sadly many people do not do so, and many just do not have the time for it.

As far as news not reported, there is lots not reported about persecution of Christians around the world too.  Do we ever hear of things happening to the Hindu's or Buddhists.  Mostly the news that gets reported is the news the media thinks people are interesting in hearing about... things that affect them directly... like weather, economy, jobs, elections... things that will get people to tune in or to buy a paper or magazine.
There is only so much that can be fit on the evening news.  Probably for the most part media in the west tries not to promote unrest.  While I think the news reporting in the mid-east does precisely the opposite.  I think it promotes hostility towards the world... to direct attention away from its own government and its own problems.

Salaam,
Caringheart


Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 05 October 2012 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by honeto

There is not such thing as Free media.
I'm not sure where you live, but the media in the US and Canada is for all practical purposes free (in the sense of being uncensored).  If nothing else, the Internet pretty much guarantees the free exchange of information for those countries where Internet access is generally available.
 
You may be confusing "free" with "unbiased".  It is difficult if not impossible to find a media organization, especially a commercial one, that could not be accused of bias.  They are free to publish whatever they like, but their choices of content and the perspectives they offer are usually limited in some way.


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Addeenul Aql Religion is intellect.


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 06 October 2012 at 2:51pm
Greetings Hasan,

Might I invite you to do as I did today... get a look at the big picture;

Google 'Christian persecution', 'Muslim persecution', Hindu persecution', Buddhist persecution'....  ignoring Wikipedia and looking at other sources... look for current news.

Salaam,
Caringheart


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 06 October 2012 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by Ron Webb

Originally posted by honeto

There is not such thing as Free media.


I'm not sure where you live, but the media in the US and Canada is for all practical purposes free (in the sense of being uncensored). If nothing else, the Internet pretty much guarantees the free exchange of information for those countries where Internet access is generally available.

You may be confusing "free" with "unbiased". It is difficult if not impossible to find a media organization, especially a commercial one,that could not be accused of bias. They are free to publish whatever they like, but their choices of content and the perspectives they offer are usually limited in some way.


Ron,
we all might have different interpretations of words "Free Media". For me free media means the one free of influences of any kind when it reports anything to the general public. In US, where I live I do not see any single media source that is not under some kind of influence, sometimes it's of the owner's, sometimes it's of those who fund it, sometimes it's of those who run it.   
In the whole world these days the media is used as a tool, to promote, not necessarily truth but agendas. Truth is used only to the point where it helps those agendas, when it does not, it's absent!
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"



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