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Why Are Muslim Humiliated Today?

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Printed Date: 28 November 2014 at 4:27am


Topic: Why Are Muslim Humiliated Today?
Posted By: abjad
Subject: Why Are Muslim Humiliated Today?
Date Posted: 13 July 2012 at 8:21pm


asalaam aleykum.

my dear brothers

I have to put this before you and the idea is to bring up the fact that...
We as followers are trying very hard for our religion but i think our Muslims Leaders with their advisers need to check bellow:-

God sent you His Book so that by reading it you may know Him and learn the way of obeying Him.

Did you ever try to find out what is written in it? (DID THEY ?)

God sent His Prophet to you to teach you the method of becoming Muslim.

Did you ever try to find out what His Prophet has taught?(DID THEY ?)

God showed you the way to attain honour and dignity in this world and the Hereafter.

Do you follow/DO THEY ?

IF Yes, then if i may ask are these the blessings of Kuran ?

Why i post this?

Dear brethren!
Whatever I have said today in my lectures is not intended to blame you.


I have not come as a censurer.

My aim is to make you keen to recover what has been lost.

The anxiety to regain a lost asset arises when a man realizes what actually he has lost and how valuable it was.

That is why I try to awaken you.

If you are aroused and understand that in reality a highly precious object was in your possession, then you will think about regaining it.

wa-Maa - aleyna -ILLA Lbalaa'gh



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Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 07 November 2012 at 4:46pm
When the Apostle of Allah went to Taif with the message, the elders and prominent figures did not even care to meet him. The adults went into their houses and ignored him. While, sent their children on streets to make fun of him and stone him. - This was not just humiliation, rather a very cruel humiliation of the Best of Creation!
 
Why muslims are being humliated today is too simple a question, but the reason is not a one line response.
There are many many aspects to it.
 
Firstly we have to understand that not every muslim in every circumstance is humiliated. It depends where we are and what we are doing.
 
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf of Zaytuna Institute was called from President's Office Washington DC to advise Geroge Bush after the 9/11 incident. This was not a humiliation of a muslim rather quite the contratry. Why was he selected from so many muslims in US? Why was he not humiliated in the president's office after he was invited? Perhaps there is an answer here for why muslims are being humiliated today, while he was not. So, who is he and how does he go about his business being a muslim? 
 
The Quran says Allah does not change the condition of a people, unless they change their condition themselves.
If we had honor some years ago, and have lost it now, its because we have changed our conditions by our own deeds.
If we want to go back to the state of honor, again we need to make it happen through our own deeds.
 
Before we make an effort to impress non-muslims (so that they stop humiliating us) we need to look at our community and build ties. We have to stop critisizing eachother for our minor failings, shortcommings and weaknesses. We need to find common grounds and dissolve our differences. We need to learn to love and respect eachother - then spread this sentiment globally.
-Shia/Sunni, Barelwi/Wahabi, practicing/moderate, hijabi/non-hijabi and so on - we must stop these discriminations within our community and embrace eachother as muslims of one millah - one ummah - beleivers in One God. The humiliation will begin to stop from here.
 
That is the frist step.
 
Next comes in the need to educate ourselves and our new generation about the true teachings of Islam. 
In the age of internet, knowledge is under our fingertips. There are so many, many people who are trying to spread knowledge in an organized and systematic way through online academies. We all should join one of them and start our enlightenment process.
It is really, really very sad that today we can compile entire Quran in one CD and volumes of hadith lit. can be conpressed in small electronic devices but our hearts are more empty of their content than in the times when people had to travel months, leave the comfort and safety of their homes  to seek the same sacred knowledge.
 
Everyone should start from within and spread from the immediate family, close freinds.
 
Personally I believe if humiliation is reciprocated with goodness and nobility of character its impact is much bigger.
When someone burns a copy of the Quran, prints cartoons or movies against our beloved prophet, we forget his response to the people of Taif.
What did he do when he was stoned and humiliated by the people of Taif? Did he burn sacred books of others, kill others in rage and assassinate ammassadors who had nothing to do with his humiliation?
Or did he make dua to Allah for their forgiveness and guidence to straight path?
 
I love these lines of Talib Al Habib:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUt5bKQK-YA&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUt5bKQK-YA&feature=related
 
When his blessed body was pierced by rocks
With blood streaming forth he gave this response:
O Allah forgive them for they know not.
Send Peace on him and his family!
 
Allahumma salli ala sayyidina Muhammad wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam!
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: truthfull
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 4:08pm
Muslim become humiliated

Simply because they left Law of islam

And running over what ever non muslim

Do

Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: 'You will indeed follow the ways of those before you, hand span by hand span, and an arms length after another. Even if they enter into a lizard’s hole, you will follow them.’ We (the Sahaba) asked, ‘Is it the Jews and the Christians?’ He replied, ‘Who else!’” [Bukhari]


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 3:13am
Originally posted by truthfull

Muslim become humiliated

Simply because they left Law of islam

And running over what ever non muslim

Do < Where can any of the above be found in the Holy Qur'aan ?

Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: 'You will indeed follow the ways of those before you, hand span by hand span, and an arms length after another. Even if they enter into a lizard’s hole, you will follow them.’ We (the Sahaba) asked, ‘Is it the Jews and the Christians?’ He replied, ‘Who else!’” [Bukhari]
 
< Where can any of the above be found in the Holy Qur'aan ?



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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: mutakallim
Date Posted: 12 May 2014 at 4:34am
Salaam As Saadiqeen.


Which of the two texts is more authoritative? The holy Qur'an or its explanation by Muhammad Rasulullah called his ahadith? That is the hadith of the holy Apostle
Please remember the importance of your name sake.

Mutakallim.


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 13 May 2014 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by mutakallim

Salaam As Saadiqeen.


Which of the two texts is more authoritative? The holy Qur'an or its explanation by Muhammad Rasulullah called his ahadith? That is the hadith of the holy Apostle
Please remember the importance of your name sake.

Mutakallim.
 
As Salaamu Alaykum Mutakallim , According to The Holy Qur'aan , It States ,
 
Some Muslims Ignore the fact that throughout The Holy Qur'aan , It keeps referring back to the previous Scriptures . It makes refrence to As Shuf ( the Pure Pages ) , [ The Holy Qur'aan 80 ; 13 , 98 ; 21 ] , Al Hikmah ( the Wisdom ) , [ The Holy Qur'aan 3 ; 48 ] , At Tawraah ( the Torah ) , [ The Holy Qur'aan 3 ;3 , 48 , 5 ; 46 , 68 ] , Al Injil ( the Evangel , Revelation ) , [ The Holy Qur'aan 3 ; 3 , 48 , 5 ; 46 -47 , 68 , 57 ; 27 ] and the Books or Scriptures sent to the Prophet ( Pbut ) . http://historum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fjannah.org%2Fquran%2F - Click here: The Holy Quran - English Translation - Islam:

The Holy Qur'aan 2;41 Revealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Al Baqarah ( The Heifer ) , In Part , And Be Faithful And Loyal To What I ( Allah ) Sent Down ( The Quraan ) It Is The Truth Confirming What Is Already With You ( As Suhuf , Al Hikmah , At Tawraah , Az Zabuwr , Kitaabu Barnaabaa , Al Injil ) .

The Holy Qur'aan 2;89 Revealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Al Baqarah ( The Heifer ) , In Part , And When The Scriptures ( The Qur'aan ) Had Come To Them From Allah , Confirming
( As Suhuf , Al Hikmah , At Tawraah , Az Zabuwr , Kitaabu Barnaabaa , Al Injil ) .

The Holy Qur'aan 2;91 Revealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Al Baqarah ( The Heifer ) , In Part , .... And they Conceal What They Know To Be True ( The Qur'aan )With What Is Behind It While It Is The Indisputable Fact . Confirming What Is Already With Them .

The Holy Qur'aan 3 ; 81 Revealed In The Year 625 - 627 , In Part , Then When One Sent ( Muhammad ) Came To You , Confirming What Was Already With You All .

The Holy Qur'aan 3 ; 84 Revealed In The Year 625-627 , In Part , Say ( Muhammad ) We ( Me And My True Followers ) Have Faith In ( Allah ) And What Was Sent Down ( The Qur'aan )To Us , And What Was Sent Down To Abraham And Ishmael ( Abraham Was Given 10 Pages Of Suhuf ) And Isaac And Jacob And The Tribes ( Israelites And Ishmaelites ) And What Was Given To Moses ( The Torah ) , And Isa ( The Evangel Revealtion ) And The Newsbearers From Their Sustainer .

[ Also see The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 101 , 3;3 , 3;39 , 4;47 , 5; 46 , 5 ; 49 , 6; 92 , 35 ; 31 , 37 ; 52
, 46 ; 12 , 46 ; 30 ] http://historum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fjannah.org%2Fquran%2F -
The reason that The Qur'aan begins with the statement '' Iqraa '' to read '' is because it is the foundation of any True Muslims faith and knowldge and is based on the ability to read the Scriptures . Then Holy Qur'aan 43 ; 4 , clearly specifies that it is not talking about one particular Scripture , but in actuality , it is talking about all of the Scriptures .

1. The Suhuf -arabic , [ 100 ] The Pages ) .
a . 10 pages called '' The Book of Life , Kitaabui Hayaah ) , received by the Prophet Adam ( 4026 - 3096 B.C.E. ) in East of Eden in the year 3126 B.C.E.

b. 50 page called ''The Book of Sin'' , Kitaabul Ithm ) , received by the Prophet / Apostle Seth ( 3404 - 3039 B.C.E. ) in East of Eden ( Mecca ) in the year 3776 B.C.E .

c. 30 pages called ''The Book of Time , Kitaabul Saa'ah ) , received by the Prophet / Apostle Enoch ( ( 3404 - 3039 B.C.E. ) in East of Eden ( Mecca ) in the year 3284 B.C.E.

d. 10 pages called ''The Book of Generation , Kitaabul Milaad , received by the Prophet / Apostle Abraham ( 2078 -1903 B.C.E. ) in the land of Canaan in the year 1958 B.C.E.

2. Al Hikmah -arabic , The Wishdom ) 19 books received by the Prophet Luqmaan [ Leummim ] ( 1791 -1671 B.C.E. ) in the Sinai Desert , in the year 1671 B.C.E.

3, At Tawraah -arabic , The Torah ) also called the Pentateuch ] 5 books received by the Prophet / Apostle Moses ( 1593 -1473 B.C.E. ) and his brother, the Prophet Aaron ( 1596 -1473 B.C.E., between the years of ( 1512-1473 B.C.E.).

a) Genesis , At Takwin ) Which means ''Origin'' was given to the Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syraic ( Ancient ) Arabic at the age of 80 in the wilderness ,In 1512 B.C.E. This book contains the account of man's creation , the great flood of the Prophet / Apostle Noah's ( 2970 -2020 B.C.E. ) , son of Lamech , time and a large record of early history of the Prophet / Apostle Adam ( 4026 - 3096 B.C.E ) , down to Joseph ( 1818-1708 B.C.E. ) son of Jacob ( 1018-1771 B.C.E. )

b) The Book Exodus , Al Khuruw -arabic , Which means '' Going Forth'' , The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syraic ( Ancient ) Arabic and Hebrew in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E. This book entails recordings of the history of the Children of Israel and their journey to the land of Canaan under the leadership of the Prophet / Apostle Moses .

c) The Book of Leviticus , Al Lawin-arabic , Which means '' The Law.The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syraic ( Ancient ) Arabic while in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E.This book entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc .

d) The Book of Numbers , Al Adad -arabic , Which means '' Counting the People '' The revelation received by The Prophet / Apostle Moses in 1512 . This book entains the kaws entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc .
e ) The Book of Deuteronomy At Tathniyah -arabic , Literally means ''The Repetition of the Law'' This book was given to The Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syriac Arabic in the Plains of Moab during 1473 B.C.E This book contains accounts of the end of The Prophet / Apostle Moses days with the rebellions Israelites and the begining of their destruction . The last two chapter of Deuteronomy was received by his brother , the Prophet Aaron ( 1596 -1473 B.C.E. )

4. Az Zabuwr 'arabic , The Psalms ) 150 books of which 73 were received in 1037 B.C.E by the Prophet David ( 1107 -1007 B.C.E ) in the valley of Elah , in the land of Judah . Two books were received by the Prophet Solomon , twelve to the sons of Korah , twelve to Asaup , one to Herman , one to Ethan , and one to The Prophet / Apostle Moses which was kept in Ethiopia . The Egyptian Prophet Ankh Aton ( 1367 -1340 B.C.E. ) also possessed a Psalms received inthe Hemito Semetica language .
 
Hadiyth's come from the word Hadatha meaning '' Existence , Began To Be ; Had A Beginning , Began , Or Originated , Existed Newly For The First Time'' , Its Plural is Ahaadith -arabic - . Ahaadiyth are supposedly records of actions , Utterances and Customs of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) , And action done in his presence and the presence of his companions . As the Holy Qur'aan didn't give details on certain practical matters . The faithful . The followers of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) , Relied on the example of The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) , thus ,When confronted with a situation in which a certain decision was necessary .
 
Men would relate what The Prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin ( Pbuh ) ,did in the same or similar case . The most reliable narrator's account would be Accepted . As time went on , Many such Narrations were Collected and Written Down by serveral Writers , Hence , Forthforming Patterns for Future Generations .
 
The Authenticity of Transmission became an Entirely Separate Subject and even in this , There were still Many Disagreement . In all the Hadiyth has caused much Sectism in Islaam ; and the Holy Qur'aan itself even states , '' Not To Form Into Sects , ( The Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 159 ) and The Holy Qur'aan Is The Best Hadiyth , ( The Holy Qur'aan 4 ; 87-91   ) .
 
The Holy Qur'aan ( The Source Has The Best Of Hadiyth's ) , 4 ; 87-91 , Revealed In The Year 625 - 627 A.D. Says ; The Source , Allah , No Ilaaha ( Allahs ) 'Source Would Exist , Except By Way Of Hum ( Hu -The Creative Force Of Will ) , He Will Gather You All , Unto A Day Of Resurrection . There Is No Doubt In It , And Who Is More Asadaqu 'Truthful', Than Allahs Hadiyth Tales , Verse 88 . So , What Is The Matter With You All ? ( After Returning From The Battle If Uhud , The Enosites Were Divided About Due To The Hypocrites ) . So , What Is The Matter With You , In Relation To The Hypocrites ? You Have Become Two Parts , And The Source , Allah Has Reversed Them For What They Have Earned . Do You Want To Calm Those Who The Source , Allah Adalla 'Leads Into Error ? And Whomsoever , Allah Leads Into Error , So By No Means , Will You Find For Him A Path . ( He Will Find No Way To Avoid The Source ) . Verse 89 . They Want You To Be Concealers Of The Truth , As They Are Concealers Of The Truth , So That You Both May Be Equal . Therefore Don't Take Near Friends From Amongst Them Until They Flee Home - ( Turn To The Source ) , In The Path Of Allah ; So , If They Turn Back Them Capture Them , And You Are To Kill Them , As You Have Found Them ; And Don't Take Any Near Friends , Or Any Aider ( From Them Other Than The Peaceful Ones , Muslims ', They Are Not To Be Trusted , Until They Become Muslims , And Don't Ask Them For Anything ) . Verse 90 . Except For Those , Who Joins To A Kindred , Between You All , And Between Them ; There Is a Miythaaq 'Fulfillment Of A Promise ' , Or Came To You All With Their Chest Shrinking , That Kills You All , Or Kills Their Own Kindred . And If It Pleases Them Source , Allah , He Would Have Given Them Authoritive Power , Over You All , So They Would Have Indeed Killed You All . So If They Withdraw From You , So They Do Not Kill You And Offer You Al Salama 'Peace', So Then The Source , Allah Has Made A Path For You All , Over Them . Verse 91 . Shorthly , You Will Find Others , Who Want To Be Safe From You , And From Their Own Kindred ( Arab Tribes During Muhammads Time ) And As Often As They Return To The The Test ( Temptation ) , They Plunge Into It , ( Head On ) . Therefore , If They Do Not Withdraw From You , ( Trying To Stop You Muhammad ) ,And Don't Seek Peace ( Al Islam In That Day ) . And Don't Restrain Their Hands ( Stop Attacking You Physically ) Then Seize Them And Kill Them ( You Can Only Fight Them If They Attack You First ) . Wherever You Find Them , And These Are You ; Whom We The Heavenly Host Have Given Clear Sultaanaan 'Authoritive Power .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 4 ; 42 , 78 , 140  , Reavealed In The Year 621 A.D. Al Anaam ( The Cattle ) , Says ; And indeed , We The Heavenly Host sent ones sent to a nation - ( Israelites , Ya'aqobs children ) , from before you , ( Mujammad ) , so We ( The Heavenly Host ) , took them by way of Baasaa-i 'Suffering and Al Darraa-i 'Distress , so that perhaps they will Yatadarraa -uwna 'Humble Themselves . ( 78 ) . So when saw Al Sham 'The Sun Baazighatan 'Appering To Rise , he said 'This is my Rabb . This is the Akbaru 'Biggest One . So when it Afalat 'Appeared To Set ' he said ''O my kindred , Surely , I am clear of what you Tushrkuwn 'Associate Partners ( with other deities ) . ( 140 ) . And indeed those ( Enosites ) , who kill their children are truly in a state of loss ; they are fools , and without any knowldge , and they have made Haramu 'Unlawful , Forbidden the very Razaqahum 'Provisions from Allah , and they make up lies upon Allah . They have indeed gone astrayed , ( into error ) and they are not lead into calmmness .
 
 The Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 68 ,Reavealed In The Year 621 A.D. Says ; And when you have seen those who Yakhuwduwna 'Talk Bad , ( saying the scriptures are tampered with - talking about Our Heavenly Host verses ( of all the scriptures , and tables ) then turn away from them until they start to engage in Hadiyth 'Tales , other than that , and if the ( Evil One ) , Satan , ( Nakhash , the evil one ) , causes you to forget ; then don't sit after Al Dhikraa 'The Remembrance , with the kinddred , who are in Al Zaalimiyna 'The States Of Unhustness .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 12 ; 6  ,Reavealed In The Year 620 A.D.Yosafe ( Joseph ) Says , And He , Rabb chooses you , ( Yosafe ) and teaches you from interpretation of ( the written records ) the Ahadiyth 'Tales ( Hadiths ) and He complets His grace upon you , and on the descendants of Ya'aqob like He , completed upon your forefathers from before - Abrawhawm and Yitschaq . Surely , your Rabb , is Aliymun 'Knowing , Most Hakiymun 'Wise .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 51 ; 26 ,Reavealed In The Year 613 A.D. Says ; So then He ( Abrawhawm ) turened around to his Ahl 'Family (Sarah ) , 'So she ( Sarah ) came with a Ljlin 'Calf Samiyn Fat .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 68 ; 44  ,Reavealed In The Year 611 A.D. Al Qalam ( The Quill ) Or Nun (Nuwr ; Light ) , Says ; So leave me , with those who deny by this Hadiyth - the Tale of ( Ghaalib , of the township of Saria and his three sons ) , so We Heavenly Host will gradually overtake them , ( the Desert Arabs - Meccans ) , from Hayth 'Where they will not know 
 
Nowhere in The Holy Qur'aan does it say that If  You Have Question or Uncertainty with it , Go to The Ahaadiyth '' Stories , Tales Of men , '' Which come from The Ashruic / Syriac Arabic root word Hadatha , Which means '' To , Tell , Talk , To Bring Something New '' . The Holy Qur'aan does say , Its The Best Hadith , And To GO BACK  To those who read The Scriptures Before Muhammad When In Doubt Or Uncertainty .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 39 ; 23 , Revealed In The Year 618 A.D. Says ; The Source , Allah has sent down the Ahsana 'Best of Al Hadiythi 'The Hadiyth , tales ( The Qur'aan ) , Kitaabaan 'A Scriptures , Mutashaab-ihaan 'Looking Like it's Mathaaniya 'A Second One . It makes the Juluwdu 'Leathery Skins of those who dread their ''Sustainer , who is Rabb tremble ; them it makes their Juluwd 'Leathery Skin and hearts Taliynu 'Tender to the remembrance of The Source Allah . That is the leading calmness of The Source Allah . He leads into calmness whom He pleases and whoever , The Source Allah leads astray into error , there is not a calmness for him .
 
 
The Holy Qur'aan  6 ; 14 , [ Revealed In The Year 621 A.D. Says ; Should I ( Muhammad ) desire a judge other than Allah and he it is who sent down to all the Scriptures ( Al Qur'aan ) fully detained . And Those ( The Apostles ) whom we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) gave the ( Scriptures) .They know that it was sent down from your sustainer ( Allah ) in undisputed truth ; So don't be of those who dispute it .
 
The Holy Qur'aan  3 ; 84 [ Revealed In The Year 625 - 627In  A.D. ] ASays ; Say ( Muhammad ) ; We ( Me And My True Followers ) Have faith in Allah and what he has sent down Abraham ( 10 Pages Of Suhuf ) and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes ( Israelites And Ishmaelites ) ; And What was given to Moses ( At Tawraah - arabic - ( The Torah ) 5 Books of Moses ) Kitaabu Barnaabba ( Gospel Of Barnabas ) 222 Books of Joses , son of Joseph . And Jesus [ Al Injiyl ( The Evangel , Revelation ) 22 Books Of The Messiah Jesus ] And The News Bearers ( Prophets Isaiah , Jeremiah , Ezekiel , Daniel , Hosea , Joel , Amos , Obadah , Jonah , Micah , Nahum . Habakkuk , Zephaniah , Haggai . Zechariah , Malachi ) . From their sustainer ( Allah )  ( Like The Zabuwr Of David And The Wisdom By Luqmaan ) ; We don't make and ( Distinction ) Between any of them ( Prophets And Scriptures ) And we are to him ( Allah ) The Peaceful Ones ( Muslims ) .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 143 [ Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626   A.D. Says  ; And thus we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) Made YOU ( The People After Muhammad ) A neutral nation ( Believing In All The Scripturews Not Just One ) So that you will be a witness over the prople , And the one sent ( Muhammad The Apostle ) would be a witness over you all and the only reason we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) changed the direction of worship ( Qiblah . From Jerussalem To Mecca ) is so that we ( Allah And The Angelic Beings ) will know who follows the one sent ( Muhammad The Apostle ) from those ( The So-Called jews In Medinah ) who turn back on his heels ( Stop Following All The Scriptues ) . And surely it was a difficult test ( Following All The Scriptures ) Except for those who Allah Guided and Allah was not neglectful yo you ( Children Of Israel ) In your faith . Surely Allah is kind and merciful yo all people .
 
The Holy Qur'aan  31 ; 6  [ Reavealed In The Year 619 A.D. Says ; And of the people , There are those who buy instead of it ( The Holy Qur'aan ) The ( Hadiyth - Tales ) for amusement and in order to Lead People from the light into the darkness off the path of Allah without even any knowledge ; And they takes it ( The Holy Qur'aan ) as mockery , For these shall be a disgraceful pain ,
 
The Holy Qur'aan  2 ;79 [ Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Says  ; So woe unto those who write the Scriptures with their own hands ( Traditions ) then they say ; This is from allah , So that they may sell it for a ( Small Price ) . So woe to them for what is written by their own hands . And woe to them for what they earn thereby .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 10 ; 94 Reavealed In The Year 620 A.D. Says ; So if you ( Muhammad ) are in distrust , ( Uncertain ) about that which We The Heavenly Host have sent down to you ; so  ( Muhammad ) ask those who read the Scriptures , From Before You - ( The Torah of Mosheh , The Prophet Aharown , And The Apostle Joshua ) , Indeed the facts from your Rabb , who is ''Master has come to you , and don't you  ( Muhammad ) be of the ones who Mumtar 'Opposes .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 136  Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D.Saya  Tell them this  ( Muhammad ) We ,  ( Muhammad ) and his followers have faith in Allah , and what He sent down to us , ( The Qur'aan ) and what he sent down to Abrawhawn and Yishmael and Yitschaq , and Ya'aqob and the tribes and what was given to Mosheh ( The Torah ) and Isa - ( the Revelation  , and what was given to the Anbiyaa 'Newsbearers from their Rabb 'Masters , we  ( Muhammad ) and his followers do not Nufarriqu 'Make Any Distinction between any of them and we Muslimuwm 'Surrender In Peace 'to him .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 2-4   Reavealed In The Year 624 - 626 A.D. Say ; This Book is a scriptures no doubt about that ; inside of it there is leading calmness to those who tremble . (3 ) . These are they who are faithful to what is unseen , and they get up to perform salutation as worship ; and of the things We Heavenly Host have provided for them , they share willingly . ( 4 ) . These are they who are faithful to what was sent down to you , ( Muhammad ) , and what was sent ( Before your time , That Is The Other Scriptures ) , And in Al Akhir ''The End ' they will certainly be propsperous .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 3 ; 3   Reavealed In The Year 625 - 627 A.D. , Says ; He Nazala 'Sent Down on you ( Muhammad ) Al Kitaab 'The Scripture ( Qur'aan Bi-Al Haqqi 'With The Facts ( beyond and doubt ) , Musaddiqaan 'Confirming what is between Yadayhi 'His Hands . ( These are scriptures before the Qur'aan ) and Anzala 'He Sent Down Al Tawraat ''The Torah and Al Injiyl 'The Evangel ( send down the Injiyl but gave it to Isa .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 5 ; 68 , Reavealed In The Year 627 - 629  A.D. Says ; Tell them this  ( Muhammad )''O Ahl 'Family of Al Kitaab 'The Scriptutes , you are not on anything ( you have no grounds ) , until you Tuqiymuw 'Stand Up ( keep up ) the Torah - ( the Law - 5 Books Of Mosheh , The Prophet Aharown , And The Apostle Yehowshuwa , Mosheh's Successor ) , and the Injiyl Evangel , Revelation and what has been sent down to you ( Muhammad , the Qur'aan ) from your Rabb , who is Master / Sustainer , and will increase many of them in transgreeing , and make them concealers of that they know to be the facts , of what was sent to you from your Rabb 'Sustainer , who are the concealers of what they know to be the facts .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 5 ; 46  , Reavealed In The Year 627 - 629  A.D. Says ; And We Heavenly Host caused to follow in their footsteps , Isa Ibn 'Adopted Son of Miriam , Musaddiqaan 'Confirming what was between Yadayhi 'His Hands from Al Tawraat ''The Torah' ( the law ) and we Heavenly Host Aataynaahu 'Gave Him Al Injil 'The Revealtions ( 22 books of Isa which was revealed to Yowchanawn , son of Zabdiy / Zebedee , who wrote it down and gave it to Isa , in which there is Hudaan 'Leading Calmness and Nuwrun 'Light , and Musaddiqaan 'Confirming what is already Bayna 'Between Yadayhi 'His Hands , Min 'From Al Tawraat 'The Torah ( the law ) , and a Hudaan 'Leading Calmness and Maw'idhatan 'An Admonition , for those who tremble at the mention .
 
Bottom line is this Any Hadiyth's that not back up by Allah Holy Qur'aan
I don't accept . I'm not Allah nor am I one of Allah Prophet's ( Pbut )
 
 
 
 

 

 





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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: mutakallim
Date Posted: 14 May 2014 at 2:10am
Salaam as-Saadeeq.

I am highly pleased with your research. All what you have said is correct for they do not infringe on that important part of Islam - obedience to Muhammad Rasulullah following his actions. I have written a book on the hadith of the holy Apostle yet to be published although edited by Dorrance Publishing company.
As for the Torah, I am highly skeptical of its origin independent of the Quranic text. The Rabbis told me that it was transmitted through their ancestors from Jacob. A close analysis reveals that whatever is mentioned in the Qur'an is in most also in the Torah. If the Torah is what Moses  received at the foot of Mount Sinai, - the written law- certainly it should not include genesis, exodus etc and all that written after his death.
Instead of us to believe in Allah and follow that which is good for our living in this world - for example, do not fight one another, do not hold arms and do not manufacture arms - and leave the hereafter on individuals, we choose to tell lies deceive others and kill innocent lives.


Mutakallim.
 


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 14 May 2014 at 5:09pm
As Salaamu Alaykum Mutakallim , With all do respect . All the Scriptures / Books I post should read according to Allah Suhaaanahu Wa Ta'Ala, If you don't Read / Accept all of scriptures / Books , How will you be-able to Overstand the Beginning and the Ending of Allah Suhaaanahu Wa Ta'Ala,
words ?
 
Don't allow these mortal to tell you what you Should and Shouldn't accept when it come to the words of Allah Suhaaanahu Wa Ta'Ala, ... Allah Suhaaanahu Wa Ta'Ala, is the all knowing / Judge not mortal . Nor is this Rabbis Allah Suhaaanahu Wa Ta'Ala, Again I mean no disrepect




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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: truthfull
Date Posted: 14 May 2014 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Originally posted by truthfull

Muslim become humiliated Simply because they left Law of islam And running over what ever non muslim Do < Where can any of the above be found in the Holy Qur'aan ? Allah's Messenger (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: 'You will indeed follow the ways of those before you, hand span by hand span, and an arms length after another. Even if they enter into a lizard’s hole, you will follow them.’ We (the Sahaba) asked, ‘Is it the Jews and the Christians?’ He replied, ‘Who else!’” [Bukhari]
 

< Where can any of the above be found in the Holy Qur'aan ?


These are from hadith ( prophet speech)

Sign of judgementday people not believe
In hadith


Question is hadith reliable


Allah ask to obey prophet

Quran :
O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger


Quran :
Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.


When you read hadith be sure its
Trusted hadith


many things quran didn't mentioned
And prophet mentioned

Like how to pray and ablution

And minor signs of judgementday

And many miracles proved scientifically






Posted By: mutakallim
Date Posted: 14 May 2014 at 9:14pm
Salaam As-Saadiqeen.

The point is clear and I think that is the best approach to making others understand the Qur'an that it is not to be treated and understood through evidence that one cannot substantiate.  One has to know Arabic language and the history of Islam between revelation to the murder of Ali to understand the Torah. Hatred has been pitched between the two cousins instead of love. This is the wisdom behind Allah commanding us to ask the Children of Israel or those who read the scriptures before Muhammad Rasulullah. Please try to connect to them and ask questions on the Torah and not the Sunna or the life history of the Quraysh. They do not tell lies for they always say : I do not know. For example they mentioned the name of Moses wife and his children. Not mentioned in the Qur'an.
I do not like the term Interfaith also accepted by Muslims. You see my brother, Muslims have problems in standing out clearly to explain Islam - the final Message- using words and terms away from the influence of Greek and Roman languages.
Personally, I find arguing with the People of the Book inappropriate for we lack true account of their history as they lack it. Yes we can listen to them but not to accuse them of distorting the Torah for in that case Joshua would never have entered the Promise land. Please try to read the story of Prophet Abraham explained by late rabbi Nissan Mindel  http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112333/jewish/Nimrod-and-Abraham.htm#comments. You will be amazed with the way he explained Arabic terms on him. 

Mutakallim.



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 16 May 2014 at 7:04am
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=73548&FID=48 - mutakallim As - Salaamu AlayKum . First I mean no disrespect here ok . I agree 100% one should Know / Have the Overstanding of the Arabic language , Meaning to know how to Read / Write / Speak Arabic langiage not a Dialect of Arabic . To overstand the language .
 
Now if we're going to be truthful here  the muslim of the socalled middle-East , Are not speaking the Arabic language , They are speaking a Dialect of Arabic , And this is because of the diffrent tribe's / clam's ok '' Yes''
 
I'm not really down with reading / accepting these Website etc . Because these So-called Religious Scholar'ss  / Theologian'ss are only writeing for certain  school's of thought / Sect of Islam , Giveing their Opin-ion / Version , Which only cause , Disunity in the Islam Communities  / Sect-ism which the holy Qur'aan speaks against .
 
The Holy Qur'aan 6 ; 159 - 165 , Revealed In The Year 621 A.D. Al Anaam ( The Cattle ) , Where It States , And I Quote ; Don't Divide Yourselves Up
 
I Notice the above link is from jewish website , The jew are Re-Writeing history , They're trying to find a place for themselves . And No I'm not Ant-Jewish  either . Nor am I Anti-any race of people / religion .  these are only code-words ,
 
Ques ; Why are you accetping words from A Rabbis , And not a Imaams , Wouldn't a Imaams have more Knowldge / History of Islam then Rabbis , Keyword here History and not His-Story ???
 
And yes one should know the History / Culture / Language etc of their way of life .. Again I mean no disrespect here .
 

 


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .




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