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Topic: Anyone from Saudi?
Posted By: lady
Subject: Anyone from Saudi?
Date Posted: 08 April 2012 at 4:04pm

Assalaamaoalaikum everyone.  I hope to travel soon to Saudi in six months to live.    Every since I have been speaking with different people, they told me about how life was for them as a foreignor living in Saudi.  The Americans say that they are paid well there, and treated with respect.  But when I talk to people who lived there that were not Americans at the time of their stay in Saudi, then they say their pay in Saudi was terrible for them if they were not Americans, British, etc.  My question for anyone who is a Sudian is :

do you know why this form of racism is practiced in your country? 

I also heard alot that you can smell the arrogance in the air when you arrive in Saudi? The people who I talked to were fifteen in total, and fourteen of them lived in Saudi.  The fourteen people lived in Saudi for 2-8 years.   One lived in Dubai for 4 years., but the response was still the same.  I did not tell any of them what the others discussed with me until they revealed to me about the arrogance coming from the Saudis.  But they still said that they loved living there as well. Smile

I did have one friend from Saudi, but I lost her her contact information.  Cry
I found her to be really nice, gentle, etc.
If this arrogance is true about the Saudis, then this is shocking to me because Saudi is a muslim country. 



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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by lady

If this arrogance is true about the Saudis, then this is shocking to me because Saudi is a muslim country. 

I doubt any one can respond to this issue from Saudi Arabia! With Wahabi Islamist Saudis can do no wrong cuz it is Uncle Sam's neo colony...
Just step back and think how many places that have a ruling family name  attached to the country's name?

Not one!
Quite arrogant by itself...

There is very interesting history behind all that.


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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 09 April 2012 at 10:13am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_named_after_people -


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 09 April 2012 at 10:56am

Lady I am not Saudi, but having spent a great deal of time in the Gulf, I think the opinions you've received are common to the region.  With respect to salary, in my opinion, it has little to do with "respect" and more to do with business.  If the Saudi government or private sector knows that a teacher in India makes equivalent to $100 monthly, they will contract that Indian teacher at let's say,  $300 monthly,  to work in Saudi.  The Indian teacher has agreed to this contract and is happy.  Likewise, if an American teachers makes $3,000 monthly in America, her contract in Saudi will likely have a comparable or greater salary, along with housing, transportation allowance and tickets in order to attract the American teacher.  Thus, one would not reasonably expect,  from a business perspective,  for Saudi to pay an Indian teacher from India $3,000, nor an American teacher $300.

With respect to the criticism of arrogance leveled against the Saudi people our Prophet (saw) has defined arrogance as rejection of truth and belittling people - looking down of people, or thinking you are better than people.  This unfortunately is a general problem and characteristic of mankind which we all must struggle against.  Saudi is a tribal society and I often think tribalistic mannerisms are confused or interpreted by outsiders as arrogance.  Anyway, at the end of the day when living in a country that is not our homeland, even though it is a Muslim country, we must prepare ourselves for a cultural awakening and a new experience.  So when packing your bags remember to bring along plenty of patience and forget about how things are done back home in America.  Saudi is not America.  Please remember to make du'a for me when you make umrah, and I wish you all the best.



Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 09 April 2012 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by abuayisha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_named_after_people - How many were established by eliminating the people of the same religion?
How many are still ruled by the family that established that name?



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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 09 April 2012 at 1:59pm
Well in keeping with our sister's query about arrogance, and for the sake of argument, even if naming a country Saudi indicates arrogance, which is certainly an opinion, would it not have been arrogance only in the 1930's upon its founding/naming?  Perhaps subsequent generations deemed it problematic to change the name for a myriad of reasons.  Saudi Arabia is also referred to as "the Land of the Two Holy Mosques" and the Arabian Peninsula by the Saudis themselves. I just think it's a bit unfair to suggest simply based upon a country's name alone would somehow indicate that its inhabitants are arrogant.


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 09 April 2012 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by abuayisha

Lady I am not Saudi, but having spent a great deal of time in the Gulf, I think the opinions you've received are common to the region.  With respect to salary, in my opinion, it has little to do with "respect" and more to do with business.  If the Saudi government or private sector knows that a teacher in India makes equivalent to $100 monthly, they will contract that Indian teacher at let's say,  $300 monthly,  to work in Saudi.  The Indian teacher has agreed to this contract and is happy.  Likewise, if an American teachers makes $3,000 monthly in America, her contract in Saudi will likely have a comparable or greater salary, along with housing, transportation allowance and tickets in order to attract the American teacher.  Thus, one would not reasonably expect,  from a business perspective,  for Saudi to pay an Indian teacher from India $3,000, nor an American teacher $300.

Does anyone think this argument will hold water in any independent lawful society? Or for that matter in a truly independent Islamic court of law if there was one?

The answer will be resounding no. I know none of us can make a change there but justifying with hypothetical smack dab of hypocrisy, one has call spade as spade! With this attitude what the Muslims migrating to west are left with west to stand for? The money part is one thing but the treatment by the police state is another.
The indentured coolies of the British Indians origin in South Africa were also contracted! They could not travel from one city to another just like KSA or vice versa.

For the Americans(white) it is a land of country clubs or Palm Springs, all paid for doing zilch and endless partying to boot! They are demigods to them.

With respect to the criticism of arrogance leveled against the Saudi people our Prophet (saw) has defined arrogance as rejection of truth and belittling people - looking down of people, or thinking you are better than people.  This unfortunately is a general problem and characteristic of mankind which we all must struggle against.  Saudi is a tribal society and I often think tribalistic mannerisms are confused or interpreted by outsiders as arrogance.  Anyway, at the end of the day when living in a country that is not our homeland, even though it is a Muslim country, we must prepare ourselves for a cultural awakening and a new experience.  So when packing your bags remember to bring along plenty of patience and forget about how things are done back home in America.  Saudi is not America.  Please remember to make du'a for me when you make umrah, and I wish you all the best.



Saudi Arabia is better than home for the smart Americans who would like  a fat retirement account while having a good time tax free. It works for the indentured labor too if they go back to their homelands with some savings, it may not be that great if they decide to follow Americans to the land of free.
Anyways no one can beat the Americans or some of the other NATO member aka as old colonial masters. The Saudis couldn't be considered as candidates for the arrogance list before the six days war based on the tribalism tendencies. It is a case of nou- veau- riche disease and American MIC umbrella no more no less. Remember during six days war the price of oil was somewhere in mid teens and there wasn't a lot for the Saudis to brag about while the specter of Soviets hanging over near by! But with prices pegged to the dollar and Uncle Sam's spending out of control with printing press churning dollars full speed, Obama being clueless about energy policy gives Saudis ever more arrogance. The Standard Oil did a great job in creating this symbiotic relationship and then MIC took over and created a masterful police state with complete bells and whistles... Clap
http://www.rankopedia.com/Most-Arrogant-Nation-On-Earth/Step1/13541/.htm - Most Arrogant Nations List


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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 10 April 2012 at 12:33pm
Well Sign, I can only say it's business and not personal.  As you well know, most American manufacturing jobs have moved overseas leaving blue collar - middle class workers in a state of shock scrambling into junior colleges for re-training.  And where can you find a more "independent lawful society" than the US?  Why pay $20 an hour, healthcare, vacation, etc...when you can pay $4 a day?


Posted By: lady
Date Posted: 16 April 2012 at 10:13am
Assalaamaoalaikum. Thanks all for commenting.  I have been really busy lately.
abuyisha, I never did consider the currency level of different professional roles for each country.  You could be right, but how would you explain the housing difference between Americans, etc and Phillipinos? I heard that there is a huge differfence of the quality of housing for different expat's as well..
Yes, i will try to remember to make dua for you during Ummrah. 
Sign Reader, I laughed alot about the comments that people made about which country should be number 1 or should should be the top 3. hahah.
Sign Reader, could you not see yourself living there as well?Wink
Thanks again to all.
 


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 16 April 2012 at 11:43am
Originally posted by lady

You could be right, but how would you explain the housing difference between Americans, etc and Phillipinos?
 
 
The same way.  You are offered living accommodations equal to or greater than what is assumed you have in America - given your education and work experience.  Also, often, workers from the Philippines aren't given the option of bringing their spouse and children.


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 17 April 2012 at 1:10am
Assalamu Alaikum,
 
Abuayisha: Saudi Arabia is also referred to as "the Land of the Two Holy Mosques" and the Arabian Peninsula by the Saudis themselves.
 

This is an important aspect that whenever anyone wants to visit these sacred sites and perform Islamic rituals, such as Umrah and Hajj, it is very much possible for him or her. Everyone evaluates things from his or her own angle. Living in a city close to Makkah and Madinah, for example Jeddah, may definitely provide even additional advantage that helps one visit these holy places conveniently.

Lady, my supplications are with you. May Allah (SWT) make things easy for you. And whenever you perform Umrah or Hajj, please do remember us in your supplications. Jazak Allah Khair.

May Allah (SWT) guide us all.

Peace



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Posted By: irfiaffu123
Date Posted: 13 April 2013 at 7:02am
Dear Lady,
 
I am rom inidia but settled in saudi .
 
I have never seen any diffrence as mentioned my you.
 
I am ok with this country and saudis:)


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Irfhan Basha
Riyadh, Saudi



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