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Printed Date: 01 October 2014 at 5:53pm


Topic: Israel lobby
Posted By: abuayisha
Subject: Israel lobby
Date Posted: 07 March 2012 at 7:19am

Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House of Representatives, said the [Sunday Obama AIPAC] speech was "a step in the right direction," but that "we need to make sure that this president is also going to stand by Israel and not allow his administration to somehow speak contrary to what our ally thinks is in its best interest." (emphasis added)

Now, this bolded part of the quote is quite extraordinary, if you think about it. Apparently, Cantor's standard with respect to American policy towards Israel is that the U.S. government cannot and should not contradict anything that Israel's government says. What's good for Israel's national interests -- as defined solely by Israel -- serves American interests as well.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/cantor-says-obama-must-not-speak-contrary-to-what-our-ally-thinks-is-in-its-best-interest.html - http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/cantor-says-obama-must-not-speak-contrary-to-what-our-ally-thinks-is-in-its-best-interest.html



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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 07 March 2012 at 3:10pm
Eric or no Eric, Obama is in a fix he has been trying to wiggle out since his election as POTUS. Just look at the names of the people who propelled and managed his campaign were mostly from the tribe and Israel wants the payoff to help knock off Iran that has never been in American calculus.
Obama has already backtracked to the words he gave to Binyamin N,
If you look at the picture of the prez room during the moment Osama was being tracked and got shot I don't think he is one who can do this for Israel!
It is just not Israel only that wants Irani nuke setup blown away, think KSA as Israeli cohorts in pushing this!

Of course not all wieses want this to happen but you know Iran's bluster will make it to happen; remember 1967 the asininity of Nasser for blockading Straits of Aqaba and then what went down?


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Posted By: Hughes
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 10:56am
"What's good for Israel's national interests -- as defined solely by Israel -- serves American interests as well."

I think I agree with this statement. America and Israel have the same interests with regard to the Middle East.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 12:07pm
Careful Hughes, we're not simply talking trade or cultural issues here, but war, and American blood.  Are you comfortable with a foreign government deciding whether my son or your daughter is in harm's way; as defined solely by Israel


Posted By: Hughes
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by abuayisha



Careful Hughes, we're not simply talking trade or cultural issues here, but war, and American blood.† Are you comfortable with a foreign government deciding whether my son or your daughter is in harm's way; as defined solely by Israel?†


The question is difficult I agree.

My answer would be, if Israel feels threatened or is attacked (as Iran has threatened), then yes we should help them.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 2:04pm
Yeah, I guess at the end of the day it's the Israeli "feels threatened" scenario that has the Obama administration concerned.  I don't think we have to worry about Iran attacking Israel.


Posted By: Hughes
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 4:20pm
Well it appears to me that the Obama doesn't really support Israel, so I agree that concerns him.

I'm curious why you think we don't have to worry about Iran attacking Israel?


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 8:52pm
Iran doesn't have a history of preemptive invasions, and their sure knowledge that America (Obama) has Israel's back.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 09 March 2012 at 5:46am


Posted By: Hughes
Date Posted: 09 March 2012 at 5:47am
I don't think it's invasions they are worried about, but some sort of nuclear strike.


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 09 March 2012 at 4:23pm
There is no history of any western country attacking any Shiit ruled place in my memory! Iraq got invaded without overt or covert  proof of nuclear processing; whereas Iran has been showing off the nuclear facilities for a long time knowing the safety of being Shiit. Existence of Iran serves the divide and rule principle perfectly!
I don't think US wants to do another blunder like attacking Iraq when broke.   

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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 06 September 2012 at 11:21am
I do not think its the US that is too eager to go to war, rather it is Israel who has been dragging the US into wars through blackmail or whatever for it's own broader and long term objectives. They know with their shrinking population worldwide this is their only way to survive. They want to make sure they do, regardless of the cost and they are using the US because its the only superpower left out there and they have its political apparatus in control.
Hasan

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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 06 September 2012 at 12:46pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2012/sep/04/israel-iran-nuclear?newsfeed=true - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2012/sep/04/israel-iran-nuclear?newsfeed=true


Posted By: whitelion553
Date Posted: 01 December 2012 at 10:16pm
Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei said that the Iranian nation is determined to resist any threat or sanctions .The Iranian nation will turn all threats imposed by the enemies to opportunities and bring development and pride for the country , the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei said that pious Iranian nation with reliance on their historical and cultural honors have made the Islamic Revolution victorious in Iran and attained their independence national dignity welfare and prosperity Any nation should tolerate difficulties to attain its prime goals and aspirations underlined the Supreme Leader citing eight years of sacred defense fight against terrorism resistance against threats as well as economic sanctions as parts of hardships tolerated by the Iranian nation on their right path The Iranian nation from early stages of the Islamic Revolution faced economic sanctions and embargoes but with reliance on its invaluable power managed to turn all the threats into opportunities and attained independence and self-confidence Therefore "I advise you to keep in your mind that this great nation is never afraid of economic sanctions" The international capitalist system through extensive political propaganda did their best to force Iran to abandon its legitimate rights to benefit from nuclear energy but to no avail said the Supreme Leader adding that the pace of Iran`s development frightened them to an extent that they exerted more pressure on Iran while ignoring the fact that the Iranian nation will turn all these threats into opportunities for its development 2008/04/30

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Posted By: whitelion553
Date Posted: 01 December 2012 at 10:18pm

Islamic Revolution Leader Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei said that the domineering superpowers bully other parties from behind their dreadful appearance nevertheless America has lost its dreadful appearance in large part owing to many dysfunctions in its political structure

the IRI Armed Forces are characterized with inspiring experiences gathered during the Sacred Defense against the western backed invading Iraqi forces

Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei: "It is the resilience, steadfastness and independence of the Iranian nation Ė a blessing of Islam and the Holy Quran -- which has so angered and frustrated Westerners".
Ayatollah Khamenei said : Western sanctions are nothing new and they have been in place for the past 33 years. The Leader pointedly added: "The United States and the Europeans claim the sanctions are directed at Iran's nuclear energy program, but they are lying, since Western sanctions against Iran started at a time when Iran had no functioning nuclear energy program of any kind to speak of.
The Leader said Western sanctions are illogical, and are rooted in hostility and vengeance. He said those who have imposed sanctions on Iran are lying when they say sanctions will be lifted if Iran halts its nuclear activities.
In further remarks, the Leader referred to "Western joy" because of economic difficulties in Iran . He said: "The Westerners, somewhat undiplomatically, didn't even try to hide their joy at Iran's economic difficulties, but of course, during the past year, we have all seen the peoples of Europe pour on to the streets of many European cities, and the Europeans are grappling with far more serious economic crises and problems of their own.
Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei pointedly added : "Iran will get through the current difficulties, because of the vigilance of the Iranian nation and Iranian officials , and Iran will bring changes to the region as well as to the wider world" .
The Leader said it is unwise of European countries to tow the US line, in America's hostilities towards Iran. The Leader added: "The Iranian nation does not have bad memories of some European countries, but these countries , because they have chosen the US line , are now hated by the Iranian nation".



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Posted By: whitelion553
Date Posted: 01 December 2012 at 10:21pm

My dear friend ,Iranians people are human like you and hate from killing .we like be friend with all nations. We donít like see the fear. We like all people .your children are like our children ,they are clean and guiltless and gifts from our nice Allah .we like to see that all people are happy and in security. we believe that there isnt  any difference between people in west or east or every where .we enjoy from seeing nice nature ,playing of children and many other things. Iranians never threat American people or other people but we like to be in safe like all people. Our people are very kind  and they like to be in the way of Allah and Allah hates from killing guiltless people.



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