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Topic: Quran - 19: Magic Number
Posted By: JohnDM
Subject: Quran - 19: Magic Number
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:56am
Cn anyone please explain why the number 19 or multiples of the number
19 are used to form and fashion the Quaran?

Thanks

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"Ignorance is no refuge"



Replies:
Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 6:41pm

 

The number of 19 or multiples of the number of 19 are NOT used to form and fashion the Qur'aan.

There are some deviant groups emphasizing on "mathematical miracles" of the Qur'aan (something like "if you add this and subtract the sum of thats dividing it into half and look at the resulting number's reflection in the mirror... you'll be amazed at how truly miraculous Qur'aan is", or "if you look at the frequency at which this word is repeated and occurrence of its antonym and make their total - you will have 365, which equals the number of days in a year..."). 

That's mere rubbish, and such theories are not anywhere close to the main message and purpose of the Qur'aan... which is not in numbers. Don't waste time on them.

MOCKBA



Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 12:10am
Originally posted by MOCKBA

 

The number of 19 or multiples of the number of 19 are NOT used to form and fashion the Qur'aan.

There are some deviant groups emphasizing on "mathematical miracles" of the Qur'aan (something like "if you add this and subtract the sum of thats dividing it into half and look at the resulting number's reflection in the mirror... you'll be amazed at how truly miraculous Qur'aan is", or "if you look at the frequency at which this word is repeated and occurrence of its antonym and make their total - you will have 365, which equals the number of days in a year..."). 

That's mere rubbish, and such theories are not anywhere close to the main message and purpose of the Qur'aan... which is not in numbers. Don't waste time on them.

MOCKBA

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh Brother Mockba,

Brother,these groups are so far away from Islam that when you ask them about the ayat numbers of the Qur'an adding this to the question:" in which school you have taken the numbers from?";then they look into your eyes like a sheep.They don't know the numbers of the ayats change school to school...as you know, some ayat numbers are different in Kufa School and some others are different in Madina School;then how they can find the connection between each other...Wa Salaam.

*After reading these explanations;i wish someone will not come and ask this;What!!,is the holy  Qur'an absent in some schools??...NO,i am talking about categorizing the ayats with numbers,in all of these schools,the total ayats are same;but giving the numbers to them is including a difference view with their serious signs which also includes barakah that at least shames the 19 provocators,proves their ignorance..

 



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Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 2:00am
Mere rubbish?

OK, on reading your comment I thought about the measurements of the
holy rock, the most bloody sacred rock in the world, the place where
rivers of animal blood has been poured since Abraham tried to shed the
blood of his son Isaac (in about the year 1836BC), namely the rock in the
Dome of Rock, the Islamic shrine, Jerusalem.

The maximum length of the rock is 57 feet x a maximum width of 43
feet, hence the length is thrice 19.

Now on the BBC radio yesterday they had a person explain why he now
knew the date of the crucifixion was Good Friday, April 7th AD30. For he
said no other lunar date could be offered up.

Assuming you can appreciate this Christian argument, the counting from
say when Jesus was being 'crowned' with thorns by the Roman soldiers at
about 2:13am Friday, morning, some 7 hours before the process of
crucifixion took place, it is 592.273537 years until 12:00am July 16th
AD622 and the commencement of Islam's holy calendar.

Now the would-be Devil's own reference number is 'female' at 508.

And the reference number and area for the Stars and Stripes is 6840
square units at 114 x 60 and equivalent to 57 x 120, times or 190 x 36.
So the US flag is that of the Assassins.

Curiously, the height of the North Tower of the World Trade Center was
1,368 feet or twice 684, and 684 is not only the reference number for the
Stars and Stripes but the great Ancient Egyptian Osiris, the god, King and
Judge of the dead. For 684 is made up of an elohim a mighty angel at 323
(17 x 19) + 361 (19 x 19).

So now to 43 of the sacred rock at 57 x 43 feet. And the number 430 x
4,300 is twice 924,500 square feet, that is the area covering the four
triangular sides of the Great Pyramid.

And the volume of the Great Pyramid is 91,575,000 cubic feet and
reciprocated is 1.09200109200e-08. Thus the Great Pyramid also has the
reference number 109,200

And the Great Pyramid at 109,200 divided by the 27 Ancient Egyptian
gods depicted on the 28 finger width divisions of the A.E. cubit of
20.6120 inches, (Horus, the son of Osiris is shown twice) and square root
twice and multiplied by the Devil at 508,000 and divided by Osiris at 684
is 592.273537 years.

Thus counting backwards from the Islamic calendar, it is the mocking of
Jesus Christ as king of the Jews by the Roman soldiers soon after 2am
that Good Friday morning, namely April 7th AD30, and some 16 hours
before Passover. Thus, the Devil and Osiris were there so to speak in
Jerusalem, standing among the soldiers laughing at Jesus Christ.

Of course many believe not that such a thinh happened to Jesus, but still
the calculation for Good Friday being Good Friday and Passover still
stands.

I should add that I only did this calculation this morning having been
prompted by your comment.

Thanks

PS

And remember the most important thing for humans is TIME. For we are
under the control of TIME. And time is of Gravity, the 'grave' so to speak,
and the standard value for gravity throughout the Universe is 177,000
miles per second, but that another post.





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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 7:30am

I should add that I only did this calculation this morning having been prompted by your comment.

 

That explain why your calculation is not much different than the ‘Did Six Million Die’ – Which is also not mention in Holy Qur’an , plus not divisable by 19.

 

Now coming to your calculation from that Zionist website answering-islam – “The first word (Ism) is mentioned in the Quran 19 times, 19x1.”

First word (I)sm in its original form, as it is used in bismillah (invocation), is mentioned 115 times in Holy Qur’an. Not divisible by 19.

 Instead, the Rabbi counted the other form of that word, and that is "Ism", or more correct "ASM". But he was not consistent even in this arbitrary counting, he further excluded all of its plural forms and all the forms with sufixxes (hu) and (hi) (what was not the case in other counts, for example when he counted all the forms of the words with root R- SH -D, when he wanted to prove his messengership)!

 

Are you sure about the ‘Good Friday’? Because several Christian scholars has proven that it was actually ‘Wednesday! Not Dr. Robber Funk, DDD, who after his six-year Bible study proved that 80% of its so-called ‘word of God’ was actually written by interested human (mostly Jews) to serve their wordily purposes!

 

Let us now see some of OT/NT calculations. For example, the world is 3,786 year old and Jesus could have 45 to 61 ‘genealogy’ to prophet Abraham!

 

OR what number 666 stands for? Pope, Anti-Christ or Henry Kissinger? Because according to ‘Biblical method of numbering’ they all add up to 666!

 

Have a good day!



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Know your enemy!
No time to waste. Act now!
Tomorrow it will be too late
What You Don’t Know Can Kill You



Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 8:24am

Originally posted by JohnDM

Mere rubbish?

OK, on reading your comment I thought about the measurements of the
holy rock, the most bloody sacred rock in the world, the place where
rivers of animal blood has been poured since Abraham tried to shed the
blood of his son Isaac (in about the year 1836BC), namely the rock in the
Dome of Rock, the Islamic shrine, Jerusalem.

The maximum length of the rock is 57 feet x a maximum width of 43
feet, hence the length is thrice 19.

Now on the BBC radio yesterday they had a person explain why he now
knew the date of the crucifixion was Good Friday, April 7th AD30. For he
said no other lunar date could be offered up.

Assuming you can appreciate this Christian argument, the counting from
say when Jesus was being 'crowned' with thorns by the Roman soldiers at
about 2:13am Friday, morning, some 7 hours before the process of
crucifixion took place, it is 592.273537 years until 12:00am July 16th
AD622 and the commencement of Islam's holy calendar.

Now the would-be Devil's own reference number is 'female' at 508.

And the reference number and area for the Stars and Stripes is 6840
square units at 114 x 60 and equivalent to 57 x 120, times or 190 x 36.
So the US flag is that of the Assassins.

Curiously, the height of the North Tower of the World Trade Center was
1,368 feet or twice 684, and 684 is not only the reference number for the
Stars and Stripes but the great Ancient Egyptian Osiris, the god, King and
Judge of the dead. For 684 is made up of an elohim a mighty angel at 323
(17 x 19) + 361 (19 x 19).

So now to 43 of the sacred rock at 57 x 43 feet. And the number 430 x
4,300 is twice 924,500 square feet, that is the area covering the four
triangular sides of the Great Pyramid.

And the volume of the Great Pyramid is 91,575,000 cubic feet and
reciprocated is 1.09200109200e-08. Thus the Great Pyramid also has the
reference number 109,200

And the Great Pyramid at 109,200 divided by the 27 Ancient Egyptian
gods depicted on the 28 finger width divisions of the A.E. cubit of
20.6120 inches, (Horus, the son of Osiris is shown twice) and square root
twice and multiplied by the Devil at 508,000 and divided by Osiris at 684
is 592.273537 years.

Thus counting backwards from the Islamic calendar, it is the mocking of
Jesus Christ as king of the Jews by the Roman soldiers soon after 2am
that Good Friday morning, namely April 7th AD30, and some 16 hours
before Passover. Thus, the Devil and Osiris were there so to speak in
Jerusalem, standing among the soldiers laughing at Jesus Christ.

Of course many believe not that such a thinh happened to Jesus, but still
the calculation for Good Friday being Good Friday and Passover still
stands.

I should add that I only did this calculation this morning having been
prompted by your comment.

Thanks

PS

And remember the most important thing for humans is TIME. For we are
under the control of TIME. And time is of Gravity, the 'grave' so to speak,
and the standard value for gravity throughout the Universe is 177,000
miles per second, but that another post.



 If you will mind your brain to the meaning of the holy Qur'an more than fixing the assumptions and the numbers who has no scientific backgrounds,this will be good for you.Of course,you have rights to conducting your words to the board;but if you put mere rubbish words into the dialog then you come across to a rock...

 The number 19 in the holy Qur'an is one of the big exams came from Allah to the khafirs;also so many other exams are too.Let's look at to the ayats then i will give you some advice who is not mere rubbish!

 Take care these ayats:

Surah Muddaththir:

074.030
YUSUFALI: Over it are Nineteen. 

074.031
YUSUFALI: And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth Allah intend by this?" Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.

 As you have seen from the ayats;making wrong comments on the numbers will cause some serious problems.If i were you,i could not play with the Qur'an before understanding it's background and it's aim to Tawhid...there are more explanations about the issue;but leaving them for your insight on the issue will be more good than covering your four side...please read and think on the ayat again,really a big exam and warning us inside making wrong comments on the ayats.Of course these ayats have also more background inside their explanations;but take the one you belong to,don't bring on to the way you don't know...Wa Salaam... 



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Posted By: A-Tirawi
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 9:20am
Originally posted by MOCKBA

 

The number of 19 or multiples of the number of 19 are NOT used to form and fashion the Qur'aan.

There are some deviant groups emphasizing on "mathematical miracles" of the Qur'aan (something like "if you add this and subtract the sum of thats dividing it into half and look at the resulting number's reflection in the mirror... you'll be amazed at how truly miraculous Qur'aan is", or "if you look at the frequency at which this word is repeated and occurrence of its antonym and make their total - you will have 365, which equals the number of days in a year..."). 

That's mere rubbish, and such theories are not anywhere close to the main message and purpose of the Qur'aan... which is not in numbers. Don't waste time on them.

MOCKBA

Mokba

in your response you called these people deviants that look to spend there time understanding the Qurans Miracle. These mathimatical perfection are very important, imho, in showing that Quran is not merely a book of no contradictions and life lessons.  Its the PERFECT BOOK written by the PERFECT.  And so how do we measure this?  Well we do this with what is the only thing that is perfect in this world -- mathamatics.  This is a language that is totally universal and unchanged.  1+1 can nver =3 

I have to admit, there r probably some scam artists out there, but the one i know to be true to his words and a scholar in every sense of the word is Imam Dr. Tariq Al Sweidan. 

Here is a link for you to check out on it!

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIQ/stat.html - http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIQ/stat.ht ml

I hope u find it to be enlightening

 

 



Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 10:14am

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Originally posted by A-Tirawi

  And so how do we measure this?  Well we do this with what is the only thing that is perfect in this world -- mathamatics.  

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah,

Quran is the speech of Allah, the mercy of Allah, the wisdom of Allah.

This was given to the creation to understand and reflect. Much of how one is supposed to understand the Quran had been taught by the Prophet (SAW) himself, who was sent as an exempler of this book.

In a Hadith Aisha (RAA)reported that his(SAW) entire character was the Quran.

We as muslims should make Quran our character, our guide, our means to grow close to Allah subhan wa ta'ala.

Can anyone say with certainity that deducing the meaning of number 19 will be of any consequence in the hereafter?

Busy yourself for the hereafter, and leave that which does not concern you (your religion) ... this was the essence of the teachings of the Prophet (SAW). Then why is it that we are still busy in fancy curiosities that will not benefit us in the next life?

59:21 Had We sent down this Qur'an on a mountain, verily, thou wouldst have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of Allah. Such are the similitudes which We propound to men, that they may reflect.

Maa salaama,

Nausheen

 



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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: A-Tirawi
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 10:31am

Nausheeh

You are 100% correct in your assement.  I have to be honest in saying i do not know anything about this number 19.  This is the first time i have ever heard of it.  But i have heard some other mathimatical miracles of the Quran and i have checked them out and they are to be true.  Now will this get be into heaven?  Of course not, but from time to to time when one has that atom weight of doubt, looking at the mere perfection of the Quran (in every sense of the word perfection), one can not help but say Subhan Allah, Alhamdulillah.  It is easy to say this book is perfect, then you read it and say yes it is perfect, and mathematically it is perfect.  Its just supportive material.

But again, i agree with you that we should busy ourselves with worship but we trying to understand the Quran is a form of worship. 



Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 12:55pm
OK, so please consider the following.

The Shepherd’s Monument - The Temple Mount - the Haram-
esh-Sharif

One of Herod's greatest building projects was in Jerusalem. He
wanted to enlarge and embellish the Temple, but the mountain
on which Solomon had built the First Temple and on which
Zachariah and Haggai had built the Second was just too small
for his plans. That didn't stop Herod. He dramatically increased
the size of the Temple Mount by constructing huge encasement
walls creating a large trapezoid. He then proceeded with his
architectural plans to enlarge the Temple and its courtyards.

Herod protected the Temple Mount with a large military fortress
called Antonia, honoring Mark Antony. He protected the
western entrance of Jerusalem (and, incidentally, his villa
situated there) with a huge tri-towered fortress called the
Citadel. The Citadel loomed over the wealthy part of town,
called the Upper City. And a reference in the The Standard
Jewish Encyclopedia published in 1966 by W. H. Allan, and on
page 1,806 there is a description of the Herodian wall
surrounding Temple Mount, with the north wall measures 913
feet, the south wall 1,050 feet, the east wall 1,515 feet, and the
west wall 1,586 feet, a perimeter length of 5,064 feet.

"Glory be to Him who did take His servant for a Journey by
night from the Sacred Sanctuary to the farthest Sanctuary,
whose precincts We did bless...." (TheKoran, Sura Al-Isra’ 17:1)

The Temple Mount (Heb., Har Habayit; Arabic, Haram esh-
Sharif, the Noble Sanctuary),is identified in both Jewish and
Islamic tradition as the area of Mount Moriah where Abraham
offered up his son in sacrifice (Genesis 22:1-18; the Koran,
Sura Al-Saffat 37:102-110). Here King Solomon built the First
Temple almost 3,000 years ago. It was destroyed by the
Babylonians in 586 BCE, but 70 years later Jews returning from
exile built the Second Temple on the same site. King Herod
refashioned it into an edifice of great splendor. In Muslim
tradition, the place is also identified as the "furthermost
sanctuary" (Arabic, masjid al-aksa) from which the Prophet
Mohammed, accompanied by the Angel Gabriel, made the
Night Journey to the Throne of God (The Koran, Sura Al-Isra’
17:1).

Following the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in the
year 70, the area of the Temple was deliberately left in ruins
(first by the Romans, then by the Byzantines). This desecration
was not redressed until the Muslim conquest of the city by the
Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab in 638. He ordered the clearing of
the site and the building of a "house of prayer". Some 50 years
later, the Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik built the Dome of the
Rock to enshrine the outcrop of bedrock believed to be the
"place of the sacrifice" on Mount Moriah. He (or his son, the
Caliph al-Walid I) also built the large mosque at the southern
end of the Haram, which came to be called al-Aksa after the
Koranic name attributed to the entire area.

The Dome of the Rock (Arabic, Qubbat al-Sakhra) is one of the
architectural glories of the world, and the only early Islamic
sanctuary to have survived intact. The design of the building is
basically Byzantine - double octagonal ambulatories encircling
the Holy Rock. A shrine and not a mosque, it is the third holiest
place in Islam after the Ka’aba in Mecca and the Prophet’s
Mosque in Medina.

Thus the Temple Mount area of some 36.8 acreas is
‘controlled’ and ‘protected’ by King Herod’s measurements of
913 feet, 1,050 feet, 1,515 feet, and the west wall of 1,586 feet,
a perimeter length of 5,064 feet.

I was intrigued by the challenge thrown down to all by Mr Oliver
Lawn (once of Bletchley Park, the famous British war time
decoding centre) for someone to solve the mystery of the
lettering ‘D. M. - O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V.’ carved on the Shepherd’s
Monument in the gardens of Shugborough House,
Staffordshire, England. So I began by establishing their value
using the standard numerical code for letters in Greek and
Hebrew. Over the years I noticed that ancient architects, and
later the European artists, often ensured there was a
‘measurement message’ in their work, a message read only by
those who knew the number code.

Thus the lettering and inscription carved on the Shepherd’s
Monument in the gardens of Shugborough House has the
number values, that of ‘O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V’ at 1721 + the Old
English at ‘O.V.O.F.U.A.U.U.’ at 1427 + D.M. at 44 and the
reference for ‘ET IN ARCADIA EGO’ is 445,

And add together ‘O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V’ at 1721 +
‘O.V.O.F.U.A.U.U.’ at 1427 and + again ‘O.V.O.F.U.A.U.U.’ at
1427 + D.M. at 44 and the + the reference for ‘ET IN ARCADIA
EGO’ at 445 totals 5064, and as feet is the 5064 feet, the
perimeter of the holy Islamic and Jewish site of Temple Mount.

So the decoding of the Shepherd’s Monument could be that of
Temple Moumt, Jerusalem, the most sacred place in the world.



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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by A-Tirawi

Originally posted by MOCKBA

 

The number of 19 or multiples of the number of 19 are NOT used to form and fashion the Qur'aan.

There are some deviant groups emphasizing on "mathematical miracles" of the Qur'aan (something like "if you add this and subtract the sum of thats dividing it into half and look at the resulting number's reflection in the mirror... you'll be amazed at how truly miraculous Qur'aan is", or "if you look at the frequency at which this word is repeated and occurrence of its antonym and make their total - you will have 365, which equals the number of days in a year..."). 

That's mere rubbish, and such theories are not anywhere close to the main message and purpose of the Qur'aan... which is not in numbers. Don't waste time on them.

MOCKBA

Mokba

in your response you called these people deviants that look to spend there time understanding the Qurans Miracle. These mathimatical perfection are very important, imho, in showing that Quran is not merely a book of no contradictions and life lessons.  Its the PERFECT BOOK written by the PERFECT.  And so how do we measure this?  Well we do this with what is the only thing that is perfect in this world -- mathamatics.  This is a language that is totally universal and unchanged.  1+1 can nver =3 

I have to admit, there r probably some scam artists out there, but the one i know to be true to his words and a scholar in every sense of the word is Imam Dr. Tariq Al Sweidan. 

Here is a link for you to check out on it!

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIQ/stat.html - http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIQ/stat.ht ml

I hope u find it to be enlightening

 

 

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Brother i respect your admire to Islam with your sincere feelings to knowing that this religion is respect,maash'Allah.Brother,but there is a problem coming from the system of giving meanings to the numbers in the Qur'an...

 Let me tell you the problem in short words.If we give meanings to the numbers from the way which Allah and the last prophet did not teach us without knowing their objectivity it will cause some problems,for example you use numbers and put a description to the court then in the conditions and in the the time periods it will amaze the persons with saying that Qur'an is perfect;of course it is perfect;but what about a another example comes from the numbers or comes from the reality contradicts with the number's result or what about if the number's result will not be true,not happens.It will cause a serious problem that a person comes and claims that Qur'an is not an perfect book then you will find no words to say and this will be great shame for us while Allah and the last prophet including His companions that they proved and gave effort to the success of the religion and it's perfectivity....this is the problem i have tried to say,it is dangerous.May be we can find some resolutions from the Qur'an with the numbers;but it is not in the priorities and we should not take a risk,no need while we did not pass the seen way in the ayats and trying to finding the unseen parts,this is so comic....Wa Salaam...



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Posted By: defenders
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 5:27am

Hi ALL.

Not all mathematical miracle involve 19

Let's learn how SHALAT, Qur'an and DHIKR make their own chain in Mathematical Miracle.

Please visit: http://numerical19.tripod.com/dhikr_and_19.htm - http://numerical19.tripod.com/dhikr_and_19.htm

 17

The repetition of reciting Al-Fatihah /day is paralelel to the numbers of raka'ats /day. 17 - 17.
If you multiply 17 to 17, it will give you 289 which is the Numerical Value of "ALLAHU AKBAR".
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It's not only the numbers of the repetition is the same as Raka'ats per day, 17 it-self represent Al-Fatihah,
where 1 is the surah number, and 7 is the numbers of verses
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Please remember that:
17  is PRIME number no 7 and ODD number no 9
If you add this numbers, you will find the DHIKR number.
17 + 7 + 9  = 33
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7 is PRIME number no 4 and ODD number no 4
If you add this numbers, you will find raka'ats in Friday.
7 + 4 + 4 = 15
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7 verses repeated 17 times a day. Means, 7 x 17 = 119 ......1 -- 19
Basmalah is verse no.1 in surah Al-Fatihah. This verse has 19 Arabic letters.
Visit: http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p4_01.php - http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p4_01.php
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Surah 1 = 7 verses. Surah 7 = 206 verses. If you add all of this numbers, you will find it divisible by 17
1 + 7 + 7 + 206= 221 = 17 x 13.0000 --- and 13 is ODD number no  7
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Surah 17 has 111 verses. If you subtract 111 to 17, you'll find the repetition of ALLAHU AKBAR / day.
111 -
17  = 94
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Surah 17 also related to shalaat. Why? because surah 17 is http://www.oneummah.net/quran/17.htm - Al-Isra (The Night Journey)
Where the Prophet Muhammad (saw) commanded by ALLAH the Almighty to perform shalaat 5 TIMES a day.
read: http://www.noblesanctuary.com/miraj.html - http://www.noblesanctuary.com/miraj.html
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Surah 17 verse 1 is the confirmation by ALLAH about the truth of the Journey
171 = 19 x 9.0000
"
Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)."
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The Numerical Value of SHALAAT

 Shad = 90    Lam= 30   Alif = 1   Ta = 400
90 + 30 + 1 + 400 =
521
521
17  
= 19 x 2743.0000

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94

 Have you ever think that 94  is the EVEN number no 47 which is the number of surah "MUHAMMAD"?
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47 Is PRIME no 15 which is raka'ats shalaat on Friday
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Surah 15   has 99  verses which is 33(repetition) x 3 (dhikr words)
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47 -  17  = 30 which is  EVEN number no 15
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94 x 5 (times / day) = 470 which is 47 x 10
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94 + 5 (times / day) = 99 which is  33(repetition) x 3 (dhikr words)
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Beside reciting Allahu Akbar, Muslims also have to recite "Al-Fatihah" in every raka'at.
 And the first word of Al-Fatihah is Basmalah which is consists of
19 Arabic letters.

What is the relation between  94 and Basmalah?
Multiply
94 to 19
And the RESULT is :
1786
Al-Fatihah is surah no 1 in Al-Qur'an. And 786 is the TOTAL Numerical Value of Basmalah.
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That's not enough. We found 17 & 86
How many verses is surah 86  ? 17 verses
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If you add 94 to , 17 it will give you 111
Surah
17  has 111 verses.
And how many verses is surah
111  ? 5 verses which is equal to  5 times shalaat / day.
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Again, 94 + 17 = 111
Surah
17  has 111 verses.
Please open your AL-Qur'an and find that in Surah 17 verses 111 (the last surah) you will find a word:
TAKBIR (
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What is  TAKBIIR ? Takbiir is Saying "Allahu Akbar" (Allah is the Greatest).
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How many verses is surah 94?-- 8 verses. If you add 94 to 8, it will give you 102 which is divisible by 17
102 = 17 x 6.0000
How many verses is surah 102?-- 8 verses. If you subtract 102 to 8, it will make it back to 94.

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33
 
33 is much related to raka'ats /day.
Because
33 is ODD number no. 17

Surah 33 has 73 verses. 3373 is prime 476, which is divisible by 17
476 = 17 x 28.0000
4 + 7 + 6 = 17

187

The first DHIKR opened by Subhanallah which is it's Numerical Value is 187.
187 is divisible by 17
187 / 17  = 11 ---And is 11 PRIME number no 5

 In ONE day, Muslims recite 94 times "Allahu Akbar" in their 5 times Shalaat.
187 is ODD number no 94

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148

What is the relation of this number to shalaat? just add this number to the raka'ats / day.

148 + 17 = 165
= The Numerical Value of Laa ilaha illallah

148 is even number no 74. Surah 74 is where we can find the word "NINETEEN".

148 + 187 = 335
33 is the repetition of DHIKR, 5 is the times Muslims shalaat / day
33 x  5 =
165
=
The Numerical Value of Laa ilaha illallah

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289

289 is also the Numerical Value of Ar - Rahiim (Most Merciful)--
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289 is divisible by 17
  = 289 =17 x 17

 Muslims  recite ALLAHU AKBAR 94 times
289 94 = 19 x 1526.0000

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 Subhanallah (187) 33 times Al Hamdu lillaah (148) 33
times
  Allahu Akbar (289) 33 times Laa ilaha illallah (165) 1 times

In one day, one word repeated 33 times and 1 time / Salaat. There are 5 times of Salaat / day.

Subhanallah -----187 x 33 x 5 = 30855
Al Hamdu lillaah -----148 x 33
x 5 = 24420
 Allahu Akbar -----289 x 33
x 5 = 47685
Laa ilaha illallah -----165 x 1 x 5 = 825

30855 +24420+ 47685+ 825=103785

There are 17 raka'ats* / day

103785 / 17 = 6105

6105 is divisible by 33
6105 / 33  = 185

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165
The Numerical Value of Laa ilaha illallah

This is so INTERESTING.

165 is divisible by 33.
165
: 33 = 5
5 is the times we pray (shalat) each day.

OR
The repetition of DHIKR is 33 times each word after EACH Shalat (prayer).
There are 5 times shalat / day. That'll make it 33 x 5 =
165  

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For those calculation above, we use division and multiplication.
Now we try Subtraction.

165 - 33 = 132
How about 132? This is the Numerical Value of ISLAM
ISLAM = Alif, Sin, Lam, Alif, Mim = 1 + 60 + 30 + 1 + 40= 132
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3 words repeated 33 times = 33 x 3 = 99 The Numerical Value of   Laa ilaha illallah  = 165

165 - 99 = 66
 (66 = the Numerical Value of ALLAH)

Or,
The 99 The Most Beautiful Names of ALLAH + The Numerical Value of ALLAH (66)
= The Numerical Value of Laa ilaha illallah

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Updated: 24  March 2005
Muslims pray 17 RAKA'AH / day.
Subtract 165 to the numbers of raka'ah / day. The result is the Numerical Value of Alhamdulillah.
165 - 17 =
148
(Numerical Value of Al-hamdulillah)

 



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Posted By: blond
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 7:02am
Originally posted by Suleyman

[QUOTE=A-Tirawi][QUOTE=MOCKBA]

 

The number of 19 or multiples of the number of 19 are NOT used to form and fashion the Qur'aan.

There are some deviant groups emphasizing on "mathematical miracles" of the Qur'aan (something like "if you add this and subtract the sum of thats dividing it into half and look at the resulting number's reflection in the mirror... you'll be amazed at how truly miraculous Qur'aan is", or "if you look at the frequency at which this word is repeated and occurrence of its antonym and make their total - you will have 365, which equals the number of days in a year..."). 

That's mere rubbish, and such theories are not anywhere close to the main message and purpose of the Qur'aan... which is not in numbers. Don't waste time on them.

MOCKBA

This is interesting.

74:30. Over it are nineteen.

31. And We have made none but angels wardens of the Fire, and We have not made their number but as a trial for those who disbelieve, that those who have been given the Book may be certain and those who believe may increase in faith, and those who have been given the Book and the believers may not doubt; and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the disbelievers may say: What does Allah mean by this parable? Thus Allah leaves in error whom He pleases, and guides whom He pleases. And none knows the hosts of thy Lord but He. And this is naught but a Reminder to morals.

 



Posted By: defenders
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 8:30am
Originally posted by blond

Originally posted by Suleyman

[QUOTE=A-Tirawi][QUOTE=MOCKBA]

 

The number of 19 or multiples of the number of 19 are NOT used to form and fashion the Qur'aan.

There are some deviant groups emphasizing on "mathematical miracles" of the Qur'aan (something like "if you add this and subtract the sum of thats dividing it into half and look at the resulting number's reflection in the mirror... you'll be amazed at how truly miraculous Qur'aan is", or "if you look at the frequency at which this word is repeated and occurrence of its antonym and make their total - you will have 365, which equals the number of days in a year..."). 

That's mere rubbish, and such theories are not anywhere close to the main message and purpose of the Qur'aan... which is not in numbers. Don't waste time on them.

MOCKBA

This is interesting.

74:30. Over it are nineteen.

31. And We have made none but angels wardens of the Fire, and We have not made their number but as a trial for those who disbelieve, that those who have been given the Book may be certain and those who believe may increase in faith, and those who have been given the Book and the believers may not doubt; and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the disbelievers may say: What does Allah mean by this parable? Thus Allah leaves in error whom He pleases, and guides whom He pleases. And none knows the hosts of thy Lord but He. And this is naught but a Reminder to morals.

 

'ndeed. Number 19 is coded in Al-Qur'an.

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Posted By: Alwardah
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 12:19pm

As Salamu Alaikum

Sori I don't get this (post from Defenders)

 

Who assigned the numerical numbers or how are numerical numbers assigned to words of Dhikr etc like the quote below

 

The repetition of reciting Al-Fatihah /day is paralelel to the numbers of raka'ats /day. 17 - 17.
If you multiply 17 to 17, it will give you 289 which is the Numerical Value of "ALLAHU AKBAR".



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Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 11:25pm

If I cut one finger I will have 19 in total... or if i lift one finger as i pronounce tashahhud during my prayer 19 remain resting in their place...  should that make me re-consider studying "cryptographic" message of the Qur'aan with number 19 being it's foundation?

The number of heavens mixed with the number of brothers multiplied by the number of prayers has produced quite a "colorful cocktail" in one of the responses of this thread.

(Some) say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth, guessing at the unseen; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say (O Muhammad): "My Lord knows best their number; none knows them but a few." So debate not (about their number, etc.) except with the clear proof (which We have revealed to you). And consult not any of them (people of the Scripture, Jews and Christians) about (the affair of) the people of the Cave. [al-Kahf:22]

Dear brothers and sisters in Islaam, especially those gifted with mathematical talents, i invite you to "decode" yourselves and spend time doing something more productive, watering plants or smth.

Qur'aan is a miracle and no genuine Muslim has any doubts over that...  nobody has to repeat this 19 times to get the message across.

MOCKBA



Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by MOCKBA

If I cut one finger I will have 19 in total... or if i lift one finger as i pronounce tashahhud during my prayer 19 remain resting in their place...  should that make me re-consider studying "cryptographic" message of the Qur'aan with number 19 being it's foundation?

The number of heavens mixed with the number of brothers multiplied by the number of prayers has produced quite a "colorful cocktail" in one of the responses of this thread.

(Some) say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth, guessing at the unseen; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say (O Muhammad): "My Lord knows best their number; none knows them but a few." So debate not (about their number, etc.) except with the clear proof (which We have revealed to you). And consult not any of them (people of the Scripture, Jews and Christians) about (the affair of) the people of the Cave. [al-Kahf:22]

Dear brothers and sisters in Islaam, especially those gifted with mathematical talents, i invite you to "decode" yourselves and spend time doing something more productive, watering plants or smth.

Qur'aan is a miracle and no genuine Muslim has any doubts over that...  nobody has to repeat this 19 times to get the message across.

MOCKBA

Assalamu alaikum,

Well said, akhi. This is one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen.

The Masons were big on numerology too.

And if you play Revolution Number Nine by the Beatles backwards it says "turn me on dead man."



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:03am
Originally posted by Yusuf.

And if you play Revolution Number Nine by the Beatles backwards it says "turn me on dead man."

 



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Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:59am

Some people take it seriously.

http://nurmuhammad.com/IlmHuroof/IlmHuroofArticles/

Looks nutty to me, though.

DavidC

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Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 10:14am
Last night I realized that if you stand on your head, "19" becomes "61," and 6+1=7. Hmmmmmmm . . . . . .

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Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 12:42pm

Salam,

Probably this is one of the reasons Muslims in the last 1000 years didn't go anywhere. Because everything is dedicated to research the magic of Islam (Quran, sunah etc).

Who have talent in math, they used it just to play around to find magical numbers about quran and other parts of Islam.
Who has talent in other field also used for the similar thing.

Basically we are busy with the magical thing, probably this is the way Muslims are. It is very sad, huh. Another example when we learn about prophet migration (hijrah) the emphasize is on how the prophet escaped from his house that surrounded by his enemy, how the enemy didn't go into the Tsur cave, how Surakah's horse threw him up many times etc. Never mentioned that Prophet Muhammad had a plan and strategy, for example why the prophet went 5 miles to the south when Medina is in the north of makkah, also when he chose Ali bin Abi Thalib and Abdullah bin Abubakar as his spy to monitor his enemy activities before he continued the journey and so on.

One other example that just happened recently; during Aceh tsunami, tens of mosques were survive, many-many people came to the conclusion that "this is miracle, how Allah protect his own houses". But they didn't care to the fact that according to the Indonesian government's report there were 2704 other mosques were destroyed. So the number of mosques were survive is nothing compare to number of mosques were destroyed.



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"1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:27pm

Originally posted by Yusuf.

Last night I realized that if you stand on your head, "19" becomes "61," and 6+1=7. Hmmmmmmm . . . . . .



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Posted By: blond
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 4:45am
Originally posted by semar

Salam,

Probably this is one of the reasons Muslims in the last 1000 years didn't go anywhere. Because everything is dedicated to research the magic of Islam (Quran, sunah etc).

Who have talent in math, they used it just to play around to find magical number about quran and parts of Islam.
Who has talent in other field also used for the similar thing.

Basically we are busy with the magical thing, probably this is the way Muslims are. It is very sad, huh. Other example when we learn about prophet migration (hijrah) the emphasize is on how the prophet escaped from his house that surrounded by his enemy, how the enemy didn't go into the Tsur cave, how Surakah's horse threw him up many times etc. Never mentioned that Prophet Muhammad had a plan and strategy, for example why the prophet went 5 miles to the south when Medina is in the north of makkah, also when he chose Ali bin Abi Thalib and Abdullah bin Abubakar as his spy to monitor his enemy activities before he continued the journey and so on.

One other example that just happened recently; during Aceh tsunami, tens of mosques were survive, many-many people came to the conclusion that "this is miracle, how Allah protect his own houses". But they didn't care to the fact that according to the Indonesian government's report there were 2704 other mosques were destroyed. So the number of the mosques were survive is nothing compare to number the mosques were destroyed.

I have a close friend from Indonesia who offered a personal report to me.

Allah does not live in any Mosque/Masjid. Even though Al-Haram is called Al-Baitullah, Allah doesn't live there. I believe that the true House of Allah is the heart.



Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 10:29am

Agree.



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"1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"


Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 5:18pm

Salam,

Probably this forum can propose Mr.JohnD to get Nobel Prize in math for his dedication.



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Posted By: defenders
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 6:11am
Originally posted by blond

Originally posted by semar

Salam,

Probably this is one of the reasons Muslims in the last 1000 years didn't go anywhere. Because everything is dedicated to research the magic of Islam (Quran, sunah etc).

Who have talent in math, they used it just to play around to find magical number about quran and parts of Islam.
Who has talent in other field also used for the similar thing.

Basically we are busy with the magical thing, probably this is the way Muslims are. It is very sad, huh. Other example when we learn about prophet migration (hijrah) the emphasize is on how the prophet escaped from his house that surrounded by his enemy, how the enemy didn't go into the Tsur cave, how Surakah's horse threw him up many times etc. Never mentioned that Prophet Muhammad had a plan and strategy, for example why the prophet went 5 miles to the south when Medina is in the north of makkah, also when he chose Ali bin Abi Thalib and Abdullah bin Abubakar as his spy to monitor his enemy activities before he continued the journey and so on.

One other example that just happened recently; during Aceh tsunami, tens of mosques were survive, many-many people came to the conclusion that "this is miracle, how Allah protect his own houses". But they didn't care to the fact that according to the Indonesian government's report there were 2704 other mosques were destroyed. So the number of the mosques were survive is nothing compare to number the mosques were destroyed.

I have a close friend from Indonesia who offered a personal report to me.

Allah does not live in any Mosque/Masjid. Even though Al-Haram is called Al-Baitullah, Allah doesn't live there. I believe that the true House of Allah is the heart.

Dear blond, That's too naive. No Muslims ever think Allah has a house or anything. The house of ALLAH is the place we praise ALLAH and worship HIM. But HE will be there to listen HIS servants words.

Salaam

Defenders



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Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 7:38am
The number 289 is the Serpent at 17 x 17

The Bronze Serpent placed on a Pole by Moses shows the number 17
because 170 pounds x Pi is 534.070 pounds and the hardest bronze
called gun-metal weighs 534 pounds per cubic foot.

Whereas the protector serpent goddess for Delta Egypt is that of the
cobra at 17 days incubation.

And so to the protector vulture goddess of Narrow Egypt at 42 days
incubation + 17 is 59.

And 59 is thus the reference number for the Pharaoh's insignia worn on
his headdress, a symbol which says "I am a Ruler of Darkness"

Why 'Darkness' because the Bible tells us in Genesis that the Moon is the
symbol of a Ruler of Darkness, and thanks to the Book of Enoch (left out
of the Bible) the other Earth in the other set of four dimensions, has a
Moon with a cycle of 354 days or 6 periods of 59 days.

The early reference for the Knights Templar was 59, the Rulers of
Darkness.

Also the 'Fleur de Lis' is no flower but that of a stylized frog of the kings
of France of the Dark Ages.

And the Bible calls the three spirits that enter the human minds all over
the world that of demon frogs. For the three spirits come out of the
Dragon at 322, the Beast at 933 and the False Prophet at 515 which adds
up to 1,770 or thrice 590.

And the universal speed of gravity is 177,000 miles per hour or thrice
59,000 miles per hour. And gravity leads to the grave and all those frogs
hopping about.

And Adam at 1,260 + the serpent at 170 + 170 + 170 is 1770 or three
demon frogs.

And so on...


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Posted By: defenders
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 9:03am

Originally posted by JohnDM

The number 289 is the Serpent at 17 x 17

The Bronze Serpent placed on a Pole by Moses shows the number 17
because 170 pounds x Pi is 534.070 pounds and the hardest bronze
called gun-metal weighs 534 pounds per cubic foot.

Whereas the protector serpent goddess for Delta Egypt is that of the
cobra at 17 days incubation.

And so to the protector vulture goddess of Narrow Egypt at 42 days
incubation + 17 is 59.

And 59 is thus the reference number for the Pharaoh's insignia worn on
his headdress, a symbol which says "I am a Ruler of Darkness"

Why 'Darkness' because the Bible tells us in Genesis that the Moon is the
symbol of a Ruler of Darkness, and thanks to the Book of Enoch (left out
of the Bible) the other Earth in the other set of four dimensions, has a
Moon with a cycle of 354 days or 6 periods of 59 days.

The early reference for the Knights Templar was 59, the Rulers of
Darkness.

Also the 'Fleur de Lis' is no flower but that of a stylized frog of the kings
of France of the Dark Ages.

And the Bible calls the three spirits that enter the human minds all over
the world that of demon frogs. For the three spirits come out of the
Dragon at 322, the Beast at 933 and the False Prophet at 515 which adds
up to 1,770 or thrice 590.

And the universal speed of gravity is 177,000 miles per hour or thrice
59,000 miles per hour. And gravity leads to the grave and all those frogs
hopping about.

And Adam at 1,260 + the serpent at 170 + 170 + 170 is 1770 or three
demon frogs.

And so on...

Hi John, Islam nothing to do with Goddes, serpent etc.Those calculation I refer to the forum is the LINK of numbers among the Important point of Islam.

Shalat (prayer) their numbers are related to Dhikr and also Al-Qur'an.Thing like this is a PROVE how Impossible for Muhammad the Prophet to control such thing.

Salaam



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Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 9:39am
Originally posted by semar

Salam,

Probably this forum can propose Mr.JohnD to get Nobel Prize in math for his dedication.

walaikum assalam,

I propose he read this site very carefully:

http://www.psyweb.com/Mdisord/jsp/schid.jsp - http://www.psyweb.com/Mdisord/jsp/schid.jsp



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Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 9:52am

Assalamu alaikum,

In all seriousness, akhi, john's drivvel is not a new phenomenon. When I was a literary scholar, I was researching an eccentric poet who was also a mathematician. He was attempting to use linear equations to demonstrate mathematically predictable rhythms in history. He came up with a few interesting collations: the French Revolution occured 6 to the 6th power days before the russian revolution (which, to suit his own wacky theory, he changed to "3 times three to the power of 3 times 3). But as I went over his calculations concerning various events, it became clear that one can manipulate numbers to suit any theory, and further selectively choose events that support one's theory and exclude those that don't.

Leo Tolstoy, the great Russian thinker who rejected all the superstitions of the Christian Church, wrote a passage in War and Peace that mocks this stupidity very eloquently, demonstrating that a person can make numbers mean whatever he wishes:

One of his brother Masons had revealed to Pierre the following prophecy concerning Napoleon, drawn from the Revelation of St. John.

In chapter 13, verse 18, of the Apocalypse, it is said:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

And in the fifth verse of the same chapter:

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The French alphabet, written out with the same numerical values as the Hebrew, in which the first nine letters denote units and the others tens, will have the following significance:

a       b       c       d       e      f      g     h     i     k
1       2       3       4       5      6      7     8     9    10
l       m       n       o       p      q      r     s
20      30      40      50      6      70     80    90
t       u       v       w       x      y      z
100    110     120      130     140    150    160

Writing the words L'Empereur Napoleon in numbers, it appears that the sum of them is 666, and that Napoleon therefore the beast foretold in the Apocalypse. Moreover, by applying the same system to the words quarante-deux, * which was the term allowed to the beast that "spoke great things and blasphemies," the same number 666 was obtained; from which it followed that the limit fixed for Napoleon's power had come in the year 1812 when the French emperor was forty-two. This prophecy pleased Pierre very much and he often asked himself what would put an end to the power of the beast, that is, of Napoleon, and tried by the same system of using letters as numbers and adding them up, to find an answer to the question that engrossed him. He wrote the words L'Empereur Alexandre, La nation russe and added up their numbers, but the sums were either more or less than 666. Once when making such calculations he wrote down his own name in French, Comte Pierre Besouhoff, but the sum of the numbers did not come right. Then he changed the spelling, substituting a z for the s and adding de and the article le, still without obtaining the desired result. Then it occurred to him: if the answer to the question were contained in his name, his nationality would also be given in the answer. So he wrote Le russe Besuhof and adding up the numbers got 671. This was only five too much, and five was represented by e, the very letter elided from the article le before the word Empereur. By omitting the e, though incorrectly, Pierre got the answer he sought. L'russe Besuhof made 666. This discovery excited him. How, or by what means, he was connected with the great event foretold in the Apocalypse he did not know, but he did not doubt that connection for a moment. His love for Natasha, Antichrist, Napoleon, the invasion, the comet, 666, L'Empereur Napoleon, and L'russe Besuhof- all this had to mature and culminate, to lift him out of that spellbound, petty sphere of Moscow habits in which he felt himself held captive and lead him to a great achievement and great happiness. (Book Nine, Chapter 17).

As for me, I'm going to spend the rest of the day doing what the Holy Qur'an truly enjoins: taking care of my family and trying to devote my life more fully to Allah, not trying to determine if the cosine of the cube root of the number of verses in Sura Baqara is equal to the factoral of my hat size.



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Posted By: Alwardah
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 10:11am
Originally posted by defenders

Originally posted by Alwardah

As Salamu Alaikum

Sori I don't get this (post from Defenders)

Who assigned the numerical numbers or how are numerical numbers assigned to words of Dhikr etc like the quote below

 

The repetition of reciting Al-Fatihah /day is paralelel to the numbers of raka'ats /day. 17 - 17.
If you multiply 17 to 17, it will give you 289 which is the Numerical Value of "ALLAHU AKBAR".

Wa'alaikumsalaam br Alwardah.

That's what they call The Numerical Value

Please visit: http://numerical19.tripod.com/numerical_value.htm - http://numerical19.tripod.com/numerical_value.htm

In the time of the Prophet (saw). There are no Numbers like our numbers. They use LETTERS as Numbers. And that's sometime called ABJAD VALUE.

The total Abjad Value of ALLAHU AKBAR is :

Alif = 1, Lam = 30, Lam = 30, ha = 5, Alif = 1, Kaf = 20, Ba = 2, Ra = 200.

Total 289 ----2 + 8 + 9 = 19

If you have any questions regarding mathematical miracle, I'll be here to answer inshaALLAH.

Wassalammu'alaikum

Defenders

So does that mean i can say 289 and that is = to saying Allahu Akbar

I don't think so



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Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 2:53pm

Moses was told by Jehovah that now the Exodus has happened he must
guide the Israelites time-wise by Moon time, that is lunar festival time.

And God made it easy for Moses to understand, but not some middle of
the road Anglican Christians, for God had set in place the Moon, and a
Moon at a maximum distance from the Earth of 252,000 miles. And as
days 252,000 days is 200 periods of 1,260 days, the Bible’s ‘time, times
and half a time’. And 126 is that of the spirit body, the 'man' inside men
and women.

G. Vermes writes:
“The Throne-Chariot was a central subject of meditation in ancient as
well as in medieval Jewish esotericism and mysticism, but the guardians
of the Rabbinic orthodoxy tended to discourage such speculation. The
liturgical use of Ezekiel's chapter on the Chariot is expressly forbidden in
the Mishnah; it even lays down that no wise man is to share his
understanding of the Merkavah with a person less enlightened than
himself. As a result, there is very little ancient literary material extant on
the subject, and the Qumran text is therefore of great importance to the
study of the Origins of Jewish mysticism.” The Dead Sea Scroll in English;
Second Edition; G.Vermes; p. 211

And so to the UFO Chariot in the first chapter of Ezekiel.

"Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a
great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all
around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the
midst of the fire. Also from within it came the likeness of four living
creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man.
Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. Their legs were
straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves' feet.
They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. The hands of a man
were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces
and wings. Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn
when they went, but each one went straight forward.
As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the
four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face
of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle.
Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each
one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. And each one
went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and
they did not turn when they went."

A man has the number 126 + 153 a son of God is 279. Plus a lion at 98 +
an ox at 287 + eagle at 44 = 708 at 12 times 59 a Ruler of Darkness.

And 708 + 2 sets of eagle's wings per 'face' at 4 x 44 x 2 sets is 352.

And 708 + 352 is 1060 and wheels turning thrice or x Pi thrice x 3 is
98,600. And the height of the Eiffel Tower is 986 feet and the Order of
Melchizedec is 106 x 3 at 318.

And so the UFO came out of Darkness, of the Order of Melchizedec.

And so on...


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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 3:18pm

Originally posted by JohnDM

The number 289 is the Serpent at 17 x 17

The Bronze Serpent placed on a Pole by Moses shows the number 17
because 170 pounds x Pi is 534.070 pounds and the hardest bronze
called gun-metal weighs 534 pounds per cubic foot.


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To make it even closer we can do this 534.070 - ((63 (prophet age)+7 (the number of days within a week)/(99 allah's name+1 Uniqueness of god).

Why do you use british unit (pound and foot), not use internanitonal standard (kilogram and meter)? Probably because this related to prophet moses, who used to lived in Egypt and Egypt was colonized by British.



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Salam/Peace,
Semar
The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full"
"1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"


Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 09 April 2005 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by semar

Why do you use british unit (pound and foot), not use internanitonal standard (kilogram and meter)? Probably because this related to prophet moses, who used to lived in Egypt and Egypt was colonized by British.

Assalamu alaikum,

good guess, akhi, but I think the answer is simpler: if he uses the international standard it doesn't work.

312th Law of Research: If the theory is not supported by the observed data, the data must be disposed of.



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Yusuf


Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 10:00am

Temple Mount of Death

"Then Solomon began to build the Temple of the Lord in Jerusalem on
Mount Moriah. It was on the threshing-floor of Araunah the Jebusite, the
place provided by David, his father." (2 Chronicles 3:1)

"Glory be to Him who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the
Sacred Sanctuary to the farthest Sanctuary, whose precincts We did
bless...." (The Koran, Sura Al-Isra’ 17:1). The Temple Mount (Heb., Har
Habayit; Arabic, Haram esh-Sharif, the Noble Sanctuary),is identified in
both Jewish and Islamic tradition as the area of Mount Moriah where
Abraham offered up his son in sacrifice (Genesis 22:1-18; the Koran, Sura
Al-Saffat 37:102-110). In Muslim tradition, the place is also identified as
the "furthermost sanctuary" (Arabic, masjid al-aksa) from which the
Prophet Mohammed, accompanied by the Angel Gabriel, made the Night
Journey to the Throne of God (The Koran, Sura Al-Isra’ 17:1).

One of Herod's greatest building projects was in Jerusalem. He wanted to
enlarge and embellish the Temple, but the mountain on which Solomon
had built the First Temple and on which Zachariah and Haggai had built
the Second was just too small for his plans. That didn't stop Herod. He
dramatically increased the size of the Temple Mount by constructing huge
encasement walls and filling them in, creating a large trapezoid. He was
then able to proceed with his architectural plans to enlarge the Temple
and its courtyards.

Herod protected the Temple Mount with a large military fortress called
Antonia, honoring Mark Antony. He protected the western entrance of
Jerusalem (and, incidentally, his villa situated there) with a huge tri-
towered fortress called the Citadel. The Citadel loomed over the wealthy
part of town, called the Upper City. And a reference in the The Standard
Jewish Encyclopedia published in 1966 by W. H. Allan, and on page 1,806
there is a description of the Herodian wall surrounding Temple Mount,
with the north wall measures 913 feet, the south wall 1,050 feet, the east
wall 1,515 feet, and the west wall 1,586 feet, a perimeter length of 5,064
feet.

Now John the Baptist baptised Jesus Christ on October 1st AD27 on his
32nd birthday. And 266 days later (19 x 14) on June 24th AD28 John the
Baptist was decapitated and his head placed on a platter and taken to
King Herod’s birthday party. Then 653 days later at 3pm Friday, April 7th
AD30 Jesus Christ died by crucifixion. So there are two very important
time periods that relate to a ‘Double Death’ that of 266 and 653 days.

And 266 x 653 x 10 is equivalent to 7 x 7 x 7 x 5,064.08 feet, about the
length of the Temple Mount Wall.

So a Temple Mount of Double Death.



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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 10:11am
Posts like that make me wish this was CatholicCity so we could all buy
bingo cards.

DavidC


Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 10:17am
Just to show how measurements speak out.

The Statue of ‘Double Dead’ Freedom

Precisely at noon December 2nd 1863, the final top piece of the Statue of
Freedom was hoisted up from the ground level in front of the Capitol by a
steam apparatus. And twenty minutes later it reached it was moved into
place and secured a flag was unfurled over the head of the statue and a
national salute was fired. The bronze statue surmounting the top of the
287 feet high Dome of the United States Capitol, and facing to the east, is
officially known as the Statue of Freedom which is19 feet 6 inches tall and
weighs 14,985 pounds.

The bronze classical female figure Statue of Freedom was designed by
Thomas Crawford. Her right hand rests upon the hilt of a sheathed sword;
her left hand holds a laurel victory wreath and the shield of the United
States. Her helm is surmounted by an eagle headdress, so she is a
goddess of War. Thus when an American President speaks the word
‘Freedom’ many times standing beneath the Statue of Freedom on a cold
January day, is he really speaking about war?

OK, now 14,985 pounds divided by 2,240 pounds is 6.6897321 tons x 10
and cubed thrice x 10 and square root x 1.5 x Pi and cube root twice and
squared and /Pi is equivalent to 266 days x 653.0026 days.

Now John the Baptist baptised Jesus Christ on October 1st AD27 on his
32nd birthday. And 266 days later (19 x 14) on June 24th AD28 John the
Baptist was decapitated and his head placed on a platter and taken to
Herod, the tetrarch’s birthday party. Then 653 days later at 3pm Friday,
April
7th AD30 Jesus Christ died by crucifixion. So there are two very important
time periods that relate to a ‘Double Death’ that of 266 and 653 days.

And 266 x 653 x 10 is equivalent to 7 x 7 x 7 x 5,064.08 feet, about the
length of the Temple Mount Wall. The Mount of Death?

“Number Form Follows Measurement Function”


PS
Antipas the tetrarch also called Herod the tetrarch, inherited the Galilean
and Peraean sections of his father's, Herod the Great's, kingdom. He
divorced his first wife, the daughter of Nabataean king Aretas, to marry
his niece Herodias, who was his half-brother Philip's wife. John the Baptist
denounced this marriage as unlawful. Because of John's large following,
Antipas was careful not to over react. However, on the insistance of
Herodias, her husband Antipas had John imprisoned. Then on the
occasion of Antipas' birthday Herodias coaxed her daughter, Salome, to
"dance naked before the king and his court." In appreciation of this
Antipas the tetrarch offered Salome any gift she desire. Her request was,
after being instructed by her mother, was for the head of John the Baptist
(Matthew 14:6; Mark 6:22).


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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 10:37am
A Catholic City

According to Rodolfo Lanciani, the Professor of Archeology at the
University of Rome in AD1888 Rome was founded on April 21st 754BC.
(Some say 753BC)

And legend says that on April 21st 754BC Romulus and his twin brother,
Remus, established Rome on the site where they were suckled by a she-
wolf as orphaned infants. Actually, the Romulus and Remus myth
originated sometime in the fourth century BC.

According to the legend, Romulus and Remus were the sons of Rhea
Silvia, the daughter of King Numitor of Alba Longa. Alba Longa was a
mythical city located in the Alban Hills southeast of what would become
Rome. Before the birth of the twins, Numitor was deposed by his younger
brother Amulius, who forced Rhea to become a vestal virgin so that she
would not give birth to rival claimants to his title. However, Rhea was
impregnated by the war god Mars and gave birth to Romulus and Remus.
Amulius ordered the infants drowned in the Tiber, but they survived and
washed ashore at the foot of the Palatine hill, where they were suckled by
a she-wolf until they were found by the shepherd Faustulus.

Reared by Faustulus and his wife, the twins later became leaders of a
band of young shepherd warriors. After learning their true identity, they
attacked Alba Longa, killed the wicked Amulius, and restored their
grandfather to the throne. The twins then decided to found a town on the
site where they had been saved as infants. They soon became involved in
a petty quarrel, however, and Remus was slain by his brother. Romulus
then became ruler of the settlement, which was named ‘Rome’ after him.

Anyway, counting from 1:30pm April 21st 754BC to the crucifixion of
Christ at 3pm Friday, April 7th AD30 is 782.95945 years or 285,969.72
days which is equivalent to 5.9 x 5.9 x 5.9 x 5.9 x 5.9 x 40.

And 59 is the reference number for the Pharaoh's dual insignia as a Ruler
of Darkness, and an early Knights Templar reference number.

And 59 x 30 is 1770 the 'Black Trinty' the three demon frogs that enter
the minds of millions all over the world to deceive their thinking.

And 177,000 miles per second is the speed of universal gravity.

And the late Pope has 117 cardinals who are allowed to vote for new
Pope. And 117 + the Pope is 59 + 59.

And so on...


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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: Alwardah
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 12:57pm

As Salamu Alaikum

Sori for the misunderstanding Brother Defenders

Not really into mathematic.

Have funny with ur discussion.



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“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)


Posted By: Tim Evans
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 2:01am

John DM,

Thank you for your answers.

I am stunned, only having vaguely known about this tradition, but have never met a practitioner. I can tell you now that I've reached a conclusion, if not a final conclusion.

Set in the overall historical context of bourgeois rational science, it is probably only a  diversion or form of escapism as harmless as any other number/fact collecting 'hobby'.

However, I am aware that many millions of mostly poor people are influenced by this and similar beliefs. I also understand it has some currency among the Masonic and Christian sects in the ruling classes of the imperialist countries.

I think ridicule is a legitimate response when this manipulation is used to inflame inter religious and inter communal strife, which is what I think your intention is.

As for your slogan "Ignorance is no refuge", it is like the legal stricture that 'ignorance is no defense'. Well, ignorance and poverty is, shamefully for the whole planet, the condition of millions who you and your ilk seek to manipulate.  

 

 

 



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Tim in Britain


Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 2:24am

I've read the entire thead and have rolled out confused.  Can someone sum this up in laymans terms? 

I always thought...

"The Ultimate answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is...

(You're not going to like it...)

Is...

42


Which suggests that what you really need to know is 'What was the Question?'."

 

 



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"The days followed one another patiently. Right back at the beginning of the multiverse they had tried all passing at the same time, and it hadn't worked."


Posted By: Tim Evans
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 2:47am
Look its simple. Take the number 9 and a boil in the bag bicycle (adding the saddle source is optional as you will appreciate) count all the bus tickets issued on a Wednesday after May Day 2006 12.30pm (Greek calender) Shake well, and you will produce a better novel than Mary Shelly.

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Tim in Britain


Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 5:23am
Yes, its about time to have break from the clever posters.

For we have only some 2,500 days, or 60,000 hours left to a very serious
moment in history, (February 17, 2006 to December 22, 2012).

Sad, sad.

JDM

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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 6:20am

February 17, 2006 to December 22, 2012. what happens then.

 

Sorry for my flipancy, but as I have read  in this thread it is possible to read numbers everywhere if you look for them.  By that reasoning mine is just as valid as anyone elses.  I'm guessing no one else has read Hitchhickers guide to the galaxy.



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"The days followed one another patiently. Right back at the beginning of the multiverse they had tried all passing at the same time, and it hadn't worked."


Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 9:22am

The Day of Chaos, according to the Central American Maya people whose
Age of the Jaguar ends after their 5,000+ year Long Count of 1,872,000
days.

And believe me even the Moslems cannot laugh this away.

Joke on and...

Sad,

JDM

PS
The False Prophet has the reference number 515 and 515 x 8 is 4,120
days and counting from the great Islamic destruction date of September
11, 2001 it is 8am December 22, 2012.



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"Ignorance is no refuge"


Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 17 February 2006 at 11:02pm

Originally posted by JohnDM

...........great Islamic destruction date of September 11, 2001 it is 8am December 22, 2012.......

Strange that people could be so disillusional!! or its for a purpose? Nevertheless, one thing is clear that all sorts of people exists in this part of the world too. Hmm!! What do you say about this; sis Ketchup?



Posted By: Ketchup
Date Posted: 18 February 2006 at 4:09am

...mmm Bro AhmadJoyia,  that some people want lightening to strike twice? I havent got a clue.

Are we talking a natural disaster or man induced? 

Planes , trains and automobiles have already been used.. kinda only leaves rollerskates and bicycles.



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"The days followed one another patiently. Right back at the beginning of the multiverse they had tried all passing at the same time, and it hadn't worked."


Posted By: thetruthlady
Date Posted: 23 December 2009 at 2:35pm
As salaam alaikum, All praises are due to Allah, I am thankful for your insights for I pray for understanding. I had heard about this number 19 theory. I know and understand algebra, geometry, trigonometry enough to know that there is powerful energy invoved in Allah's mathematics. Much of it flies over man's head because only Allah knows what he created. I believe in the unseen. This is why I know that what you say is the truth. There are people out there who try to use "magic" to acquire followings, wasting precious time dabbling with the likes of the shayteen. These wolves appear in sheeps clothing and do their work, the people take these blasphemies as their doctrines. They have many followers, for they have seduced the masses into serving man and not Allah. In turn, we find that man wants to find "fancy", even in the Holy Quran (astarfr-alah).


Posted By: haris30432
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 1:40am
The number 19 is basis for the mathematical miracle of the Quran.This amazing phenomenon is not a creation of man.It is a divine composition or arrangement which can be verified anytime,anywhere by anyone.The complexity of this mathematical miracle based on the number 19 in the Quran proves that it can never be a man-made one and that the Quran is irrefutably the final message to mankind from the creator himself.Unlike the common belief,the Quran's challenge as in the below verses are not just to create verses like in the Quran but to create a Sura with an amazing mathematical structure .The mathematics in the Quran is the REAL CHALLENGE!This challenge is for all generations including the ones to come InshallahSmile.
     
[2:23] If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant,* then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful.
[17:88] Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they can never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
[74:30] Over it is nineteen.*
Why 19?
 
The reasons are listed in the next verse.
 

[74:31] We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19)

(1) to disturb the disbelievers,

(2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),

(3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,

(4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and

(5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

74:35] This is one of the great miracles.*

*74:30-35 This "One of the great miracles" provides the first physical evidence that the Quran is God's message to the world.

[74:36] A warning to the human race.
 
Is the 19 based miracle a man-made creation falsely associated to the Quran?Well,God Almighty out of his immense mercy answers this in the below verse.
 

[72:28] This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.

7+2+2+8= 19!
 
[78:29] We counted everything in a record.
 

[41:42] No falsehood could enter it, in the past or in the future;* a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy.

*41:42 One of the major functions of the Quran's mathematical miracle is to guard every letter and every aspect of the Quran. Thus, any tampering is immediately recognized .

 
Peace. 


Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 10:52pm
This kind of numerical playing around, to me there is no bases at all. You can make everything match as you wish because there rule or restriction that can limit the arrangement.

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Salam/Peace,
Semar
The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full"
"1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"



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