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Topic: ? for Christians...WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?
Posted By: truthnowcome
Subject: ? for Christians...WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?
Date Posted: 08 September 2011 at 11:11pm

Salaam to all!

Is good to be here again! There were some unfinished discussion I have yet to discuss with my Christian’s friends.

Because of the counting down of the fulfillment of revelation 18 soon I decide to comeback.

My question for Christians is…I've heard so much of Holy Gospel, Gospel, Jesus preaching the Gospel, the disciples preaching the Gospel, Paul preaching the Gostspell, what is this Gospel they were preaching?

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+16:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -

Br. Zainool



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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 1:59pm
Salam Br. Zainool,
that is a very good question, if I remember someone here on the forum has said Jesus did not have a Gospel, did he? I would like to see that person or any Christian friend to respond to either question.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 11 September 2011 at 7:33pm

The word "gospel" (εὐαγγέλιον in Greek) can be replaced by the term "good news", so an alternative translation of Mark 16:15 into English would be:

"preach the good news to every creature".
 
In this particular case, "good news" is referring to the teachings of Jesus.  If we rephrase this verse into colloquial English, Jesus is telling his disciples:
 
"tell all people about my teachings".
 
 
 
 


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 16 September 2011 at 8:51am

Peace to all!

      Thanks you reepicheep for you response! I was looking forward for br. Jack to respond to this post because he claimed to know or I should say he potraying to know the history of the message of Jesus (S). However, I am still looking forward for a response from him.

     As for your answer it is fairly good. What I don’t understand is why the Christian’s scholars translate the word as “Gospel” instead of “Good News” because if we say Jesus preaches the “Good News” it would send a clear message instead of saying Jesus preaching the “Gospel”. What’s your opinion on that? And where thay got the word “Gospel” from and why they used it, do you have any idea?

    On the side note, can you tell me what the “Bible” is? I ask that question because nowhere in Jesus’ message it mentioned Jesus preaches the bible; and br. Jack and other Christians is forcing this bible on people whithout explaining where the word “bible” came from and what it mean so we can have a comprehensive understanding of what they teaching the people to believe (If it’s Jesus’ (s) message which is the Good News or some one else message add to it.).

 Peace!

Br. zainool



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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!


Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 18 September 2011 at 7:09am
truthnowcome wrote: where thay got the word “Gospel” from and why they used it
 
As I understand it: the Greek word used in the biblical manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον which can be literally translated into English as "good news".  The first translation of εὐαγγέλιον into English (around a thousand years ago) was "god spell" ("good news" in Old English).  Over the centuries, this was shortened to godspell and then gospel.  Also over time, the definition of the word "gospel" was not limited to mean "the message of Jesus" but also came to refer to the first four books of the New Testament, where the message of Jesus was given.  So, then, a sentence like the following:
 
The Gospel of Mark contains the gospel.
 
would be grammatically correct, but probably confusing to most people.
 
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truthnowcome wrote: why the Christian’s scholars translate the word as “Gospel” instead of “Good News” because if we say Jesus preaches the “Good News” it would send a clear message instead of saying Jesus preaching the “Gospel”.   
 
A "healthy" language like English is kind of like a living creature, in that the language is constantly evolving over time.  This often causes problems when the meaning of words change over time.  A good example is the phrase "Holy Ghost" from the King James translation of the bible.  The word "ghost" now has meanings different from 500 years ago, so as a result the phrase "Holy Spirit" has now come to be used.  Another example is the word "gay" which nowadays has a connotation much different than fifty years ago.
 
The same applies to the word "gospel".  The tendancy nowadays is to translate the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον as "good news" rather than "gospel", probably because of the confusion you make reference to.  If you check out the following link:
 
http://bible.cc/mark/16-15.htm - http://bible.cc/mark/16-15.htm
 
you will see many examples of "good news".  The NIV (New International Version) is probably the most widely used recent translation of the bible, and it uses the phrase "good news".
 
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truthnowcome wrote: can you tell me what the “Bible” is?

The bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament.  The books of the OT were written prior to the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus, while the books of the NT were written after these events.
 
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truthnowcome wrote: nowhere in Jesus’ message it mentioned Jesus preaches the bible
 
On the contrary: there are many hundreds of places in the New Testament where Jesus and others either quote from or refer to the Old Testament.  I'll give you one example which is directly relevent to our current discussion:
 
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.  The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor..."

 
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down.  The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”  Luke 4:16-20
 
An examination of the OT Book of Isaiah reveals that Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 61:1-2.  So, not only do we have Jesus telling us that he is preaching the good news, he quotes from the Old Testament to show that his coming was predicted in the scriptures.
 
There are, of course, no examples in the bible of Jesus quoting from the New Testament, since the New Testament had not yet been written during the time Jesus walked on Earth.


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 19 September 2011 at 11:45am

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: where thay got the word “Gospel” from and why they used it

As I understand it: the Greek word used in the biblical manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον which can be literally translated into English as "good news". The first translation of εὐαγγέλιον into English (around a thousand years ago) was "god spell" ("good news" in Old English). Over the centuries, this was shortened to godspell and then gospel. Also over time, the definition of the word "gospel" was not limited to mean "the message of Jesus" but also came to refer to the first four books of the New Testament, where the message of Jesus was given. So, then, a sentence like the following:

The Gospel of Mark contains the gospel.

would be grammatically correct, but probably confusing to most people.

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    Peace my friend!     

     So the correct translation would be “Good News” according to you, you said: “the greek word in the bible manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον which can be literally translated into English as ‘good news’”.

And also that is refferring to the “first four books of the New testament” according to you. Can you explain to me what this good news was about which Jesus (S) was preaching?

 

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: why the Christian’s scholars translate the word as “Gospel” instead of “Good News” because if we say Jesus preaches the “Good News” it would send a clear message instead of saying Jesus preaching the “Gospel”.

A "healthy" language like English is kind of like a living creature, in that the language is constantly evolving over time. This often causes problems when the meaning of words change over time. A good example is the phrase "Holy Ghost" from the King James translation of the bible. The word "ghost" now has meanings different from 500 years ago, so as a result the phrase "Holy Spirit" has now come to be used. Another example is the word "gay" which nowadays has a connotation much different than fifty years ago.

The same applies to the word "gospel". The tendancy nowadays is to translate the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον as "good news" rather than "gospel", probably because of the confusion you make reference to. If you check out the following link:

http://bible.cc/mark/16-15.htm -

you will see many examples of "good news". The NIV (New International Version) is probably the most widely used recent translation of the bible, and it uses the phrase "good news".

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     This is very intresting! “the ‘meaning’ of the word change (evolved) overtime!!!!!”

  You see my friend, you were misinformed; there were no such word as “Ghost” in the Hebrew language; it was Spirit.  In Greek pneuma is for spirit and in Hebrew Ruah is for Spirit and in Arabic Rooh is for Spirit.

  The word “Gost” evolve it way into the writhings of Jesus (S) message. Al the Prophers of the pass spoke of the “God Spirit, My Spirit and Holy Spirit” and not “God Gost and holy Gost”!

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: can you tell me what the “Bible” is?

The bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. The books of the OT were written prior to the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus, while the books of the NT were written after these events.

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truthnowcome wrote: nowhere in Jesus’ message it mentioned Jesus preaches the bible

On the contrary: there are many hundreds of places in the New Testament where Jesus and others either quote from or refer to the Old Testament. I'll give you one example which is directly relevent to our current discussion:

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor..."

Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:16-20

An examination of the OT Book of Isaiah reveals that Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 61:1-2. So, not only do we have Jesus telling us that he is preaching the good news, he quotes from the Old Testament to show that his coming was predicted in the scriptures.

There are, of course, no examples in the bible of Jesus quoting from the New Testament, since the New Testament had not yet been written during the time Jesus walked on Earth.

   Reepicheep, I was just looking for this answer:

 

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

 

The Bible (from  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek -  τὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the books") is the collections of the primary  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text -  of  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism -  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity - . There is no common version of the Bible, as the individual books ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon -   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh -  into 24 books, while a minority stream of Judaism, the  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans -   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible -  are divided into 39 books in Christian  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament -   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Bible -  range from the 66 books of the  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism -  canon to the 81 books in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Orthodox_Tewahedo_Church -  Bible, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible#cite_note-Ethiopian-0 -  to the 84 books of the  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church -  Bible.

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   So when Christians ask if you believe in the bible, what they are treally asking is if you believe in the collection of books put together by Christians’ scholars; instead of ask if you believe in the Good News what Jesus (S) preached.

Peace!

Br zainool



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Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 20 September 2011 at 8:23am
truthnowcome wrote: You see my friend, you were misinformed; there were no such word as “Ghost” in the Hebrew language; it was Spirit.  In Greek pneuma is for spirit and in Hebrew Ruah is for Spirit and in Arabic Rooh is for Spirit.
 
I don't understand what you mean by the above, but whatever you mean, it is certainly off topic to our current discussion.  If you wish to discuss the Holy Spirit, then I suggest you start a new thread. 
 
 
 
truthnowcome wrote: The Bible is the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism and Christianity.
 
True. but again irrelevent to our current discussion.
  
 
truthnowcome wrote: Can you explain to me what this good news was about which Jesus was preaching?
 
I'm surprised that you don't already know this, but briefly: Jesus taught that all people are sinners, that the penalty for sin is eternal damnation, but that Jesus (through his death and resurrection) paid the price for sin on our behalf.
 
God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him won't perish but will have eternal life.  John 3:16
 
 


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 22 September 2011 at 1:15am

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: You see my friend, you were misinformed; there were no such word as “Ghost” in the Hebrew language; it was Spirit. In Greek pneuma is for spirit and in Hebrew Ruah is for Spirit and in Arabic Rooh is for Spirit.

I don't understand what you mean by the above, but whatever you mean, it is certainly off topic to our current discussion. If you wish to discuss the Holy Spirit, then I suggest you start a new thread.

 

   Peace!

 

   Reepicheep, you give example of how the meaning of word evolves in the bible so I made a little correction. If meanings change most likely we will have wrong understang of the message to that of the original intended by the Messengers of the pass, and the word “Gospel” is a good example. For example, if you ask a non Christian if you believe in the Gospel right away he will concieve in his mind that you are talking about the collection of books that put together by Christian’s Scholars and lable as the Holy Bible; but if you examine the usage of the word in the four books it lead you to a different understanding.

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: The Bible is the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism and Christianity.

True. but again irrelevent to our current discussion.

It is relevent to this discussion that is why I mentioned it on a side note because the word “Gospel” has a different meaning from the word “Holy Bible” but Christians used both of the words to propogate the collections of books where as the word “Gospel doesn’t mean that.

 

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: Can you explain to me what this good news was about which Jesus was preaching?

I'm surprised that you don't already know this, but briefly: Jesus taught that all people are sinners, that the penalty for sin is eternal damnation, but that Jesus (through his death and resurrection) paid the price for sin on our behalf.

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him won't perish but will have eternal life. John 3:16

 Don't be surprised! Let us see if what you said is the truth.

 

First let us look at the usage of the word “Gospel”. Here in Luke the word used to anounced the birth of John (S): Link of whole chapter: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201&version=KJV -

 

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+1:19&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - The  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 - - answered  and  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1510 - - Gabriel , who  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3936 - - presence of  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2316 - - sent  to  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2980 - - bring  you  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3778 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 - - news .

 

   The word used here to announced the birth of Jesus (S). Link of whole chapter: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202&version=KJV -

 

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+2:10&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - But the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -  to them, "Do not be  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5399 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2400 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -  you  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3173 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5479 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3748 -  will be for  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 -  the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2992 -

 

 

  As you can see the word “Good News” is used to make spicial anouncement of importance. Now, let us see how Jesus (S) used it.

 

It mentioned in http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+20:1&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - Luke 20:1 – [ http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+20:1&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 -

And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+11:5&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - -

The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

 

   As you see here, not the angel is announcing the Good News but it was Jesus(S). What was that Good News of so importance? Let us see what the writhings says.

 

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+4:23&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2424 - went http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4013 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5707 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3650 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1056 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1321 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1722 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=846 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4864 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2784 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2098 - of the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=932 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2323 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 - manner of http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3554 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 - manner of http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3119 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1722 - the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2992 -

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+9:35&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - -| http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+9:35&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - ]

And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+1:14&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - | http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mr+1:14&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - ]

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

 

    Reepicheep, as you can see the Good News that Jesus (S) was preaching was about coming of the kingdom of God and not your sugested opinions although he instructed the people to follow the commandments which he also obeyed, he instructed them to “repent” for their sins so that they can receive forgivness form God Almight and alsobelieve in the Good News of the coming of God’d Kingdom on earth.

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+1:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - | http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mr+1:15&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - ]

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+8:1&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - -

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 -  it came to  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1096 -  ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5633 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2517 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1722 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=846 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1353 -  ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5707 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2596 - - city   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2968 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2784 -  ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 -  shewing the glad  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -  ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5734 - - kingdom  of  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2316 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 -  the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1427 -  were  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4862 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=846 -

 

 

He (S) thought his followers how to pray and what to pray for:

Ø   After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. “Hallowed be thy name” 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - - )

Coming of God Almighty kingdom on earth “His’ will” shall be done on earth! What is the will? God’s will is his divine law. It is narrated that Jesus (S) said: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:21-22&version=9 - -

Ø  10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Ø  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not “inherit” the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall “inherit” the kingdom of God. ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=1co+6:9&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - )

 

 

He tells us how the Kingdom of God will come in Matthew6:31-32:

 

Ø  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

 

    That is the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth; it is a message to come then God’s Law (his will) shall establish on earth. (10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”)( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - - )

 

Meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation 14 conforms that:

Ø  And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel (THE EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - - )

This is the future tense; it was an “angel” coming from heaven with the everlasting Good News for all nations. The Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth all nation.

 

Ø  Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field (Matthew 13:44)

Ø   

Ø  And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (Matthew6:10-13)

The message of the Good News speaks for itself!

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 22 September 2011 at 1:20am

   Jesus (S) teaches the coming of the Kingdom of God in parables but not all who received the true message of Jesus (S) will believe. In Matthew 13: 3-9 he describes himself as the “sower” who went forth and teaches the Good News of the coming of the Kingdom of God.

Matthew13:3-9

·         3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

·         4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

·         5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

·         6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

·         7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

·         8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

·         9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus (S) explained the parable of the sower who preaches the coming of the “word of the Kingdom (coming of the universal message the Quran)”

Matthew13:18-23 

·         18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

·         19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

 What is the “word” of the Kingdom? The “word” of the Kingdom is the “Gospel (Good News)” of Jesus (S) informing us of the coming of the Kingdom of God.

Ø  Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel (Good News) of the kingdom of God, (Mark 1:14).

Not everyone who claimed to believe him will follow his true message, He said:

·         20But he that received the seed onto stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

·         21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

·         22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

·         23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Ø  Jesus said: “…by the fruit ye shall knew them.” (Matt.7:20)

Ø  Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes.  ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - - )

Ø  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

Ø  Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+21%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&oq=mt%252021%3A43&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=mt&ng=21&ncc=21 - -

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: Can you explain to me what this good news was about which Jesus was preaching?

I'm surprised that you don't already know this, but briefly: Jesus taught that all people are sinners, that the penalty for sin is eternal damnation, but that Jesus (through his death and resurrection) paid the price for sin on our behalf.

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him won't perish but will have eternal life. John 3:16

 

    Are you still surprise? I guess you are more surprised now to know what you were program to believe the Good News is it is not!

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Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 24 September 2011 at 7:59am
Truthnowcome, please avoid posting your long, irrelevant cut and pastes.  They serve no purpose that I can see.
 
I'm really not sure what you are tryng to say, but it seems to be something like the following:
 
Some English language translations of the bible contain the word "gospel".  The word "gospel" has two meanings.  When reading the bible, it is impossible to know which meaning to use.  Therefore, Christianity is a false religion.
 
Is my understanding of your argument correct?


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 24 September 2011 at 1:08pm

    Reepicheep, I am sorry if my post is too long. I did that because I want to establish that people who claimed to fallow Jesus (S) message are not really following it they were misguided because of the usage of the Greek word “εὐαγγέλιον” as “Gospel” instead of the literal meaning “Good News”. If itwas translate correctly they would have understand that the coming of God’s kingdom is really another message which is a universal one.

     The core message of Jesus (S) was to inform the people of the coming of God’s kingdom on earth. I have estsblished how the word supposed to be used, and that is the announcement of sometings that is highly important. It was used for Jesus message also, the same purpose to announce the coming of God’s kingdom on earth, so when he mentioned: “…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel every creature. ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+16:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Mark 16:15 ) He was telling his disciples to go and inform the world of the Good News which is the coming of Gods’s kingdom, a  universal message that is yet to come; and not to go into the world and preach the “bible” (a collection of books)! That is the reason he had put so mush of emphasis on teaching the people of the kingdom of God, he even make it a part of his prayer and teaches his disciples to do so also. (After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”) ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - - )



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 24 September 2011 at 1:10pm

I have established:

 

   In Luke the word used to anounced the birth of John (S): Link of whole chapter: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201&version=KJV -

 

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+1:19&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - The  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 - - answered  and  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1510 - - Gabriel , who  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3936 - - presence of  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2316 - - sent  to  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2980 - - bring  you  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3778 - - good   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 - .

 

   The word used here to announce the birth of Jesus (S). Link of whole chapter: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202&version=KJV -

 

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+2:10&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - But the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -  to them, "Do not be  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5399 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2400 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -  you  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3173 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5479 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3748 -  will be for  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 -  the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2992 -

 

Here Jesus (S) used it to announce the coming of God’s Kingdom.

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+4:23&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2424 - went http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4013 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5707 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3650 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1056 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1321 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1722 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=846 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4864 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2784 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2098 - of the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=932 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2323 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 - manner of http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3554 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 - manner of http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3119 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1722 - the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2992 -

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+9:35&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - -| http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+9:35&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - ]

And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+1:14&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - | http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mr+1:14&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - ]

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

 

Here to toll them to “repent” first and then believe his Gospel (Good News); and what was the Good News? The coming of the kingdom of God!

 

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+1:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - | http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mr+1:15&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - ]

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

 

  I have also established the same word εὐαγγέλιον” mentioned in revelation 14. This time it was an angel again, the angel was bringing The Good News from heaven, and it was an everlasting one; it was describe as a “Judgment”to “preach”all nation.That Judgment was the criterion between right and wrong.

Ø   And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel (THE EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - - )

Just to conform that “judgment”is the law it mentioned there and is a universal one:

Ø  “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.” (Iasiah.42:1)

Ø  4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:4)

 

Ø  “And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8)

 

    Not Jesus (S) message is false; it is the doctrin which Christians is following. If they follow the message it would have lead them to the Quran.

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 24 September 2011 at 1:12pm

This is what mentioned in the Qur’an:

Ø  Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4) …it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

Ø  Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)

Ø   

Ø  “This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

Ø   

Ø  Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196)

Ø  And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

 

Ø  …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50)

Ø  ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)

Ø  And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)

Ø  Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)

  What Revelation 14-7 says?

Ø  Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!”

Allah (S) said: “A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

 

Our Job is to belivered the message, guidance only come from Allah(S).

 

TNC



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 26 September 2011 at 8:55pm

    Reepicheep, I have keeping abrest of your visiting of this forum and you didnt reply. I am still awaiting a responce. I the mean time I will post a follow up, Inshallah!

 

  I have established that Jesus (s) preaches the Good News of the comming of God Kingdom which is a message. Now I will establish who will bring this message to establish God’s kingdom on earth.

 

   If you go to revelation 12 it mentioned of a man child who will bring the kingdom of God which is the universal message which is the Judgment between right and wrond to all nations.

 

This article is long for the purpos of all thouse who seek the truth.

    The book of   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=9 -  it deals with the coming of a “man child” who will rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival then “Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come (And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of ironNow comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God… 12:5-10.) This would be after the demise of Jesus (S).

What makes it so interesting is Allah (S) mentioned that He had sent Muhammad (S) as a universal Messenger:

Ø  We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind…but most of mankind know not.” (Qur.34:28).  

   However, Christian’s commentator claimed that this is a prophesy of Jesus (S). In verse 1, 2 and 5 it mentioned:

Ø  1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered…5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.   (Rev.12:1-5) 

    First we have to find out who this woman is or what she represents? According to some Christian’s Scholars the woman represents the “church” and some says the woman represents the “Jewish’s nation” and the man child is Jesus (S).

   If we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the “WOMAN” as the Church. It mentioned:

Ø   And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev.12:6)  

Ø  “And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev.12:14)

Ø  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev.11:3)

Ø   

Ø  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev.11:4)  

    The evidence that the woman represents the church is that the woman was given “two wings” and fled into the wilderness for 1,260 days where the same period also reflect in Rev.11:4. Those “two wings” are the two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candle stick; and the Candlesticks represent churches: 

Ø  “…the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:20&version=9 - -

So, we can conclude that the “woman” represents the “Church”

  Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognized that the woman represents the church. It mentioned:

Ø  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.” Rev.19:7-8

   The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came fromher and she” which is referring to the “church” when the church would have well established for the coming of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the “woman” represents the “Church” and not the Jewish’s nation. Also, woman represents a “great city”:

Ø  “And the woman which thou saws is that great city…” (Rev.17:18).

 Meaning the Church will be a Great city.

  The reason why some Christian’s commentator says the woman represent the Jewish’s nation is because in many place in the Old Testament they (Jewish nation) were address as a woman; but that is because the “church” was with them.

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 26 September 2011 at 9:00pm

 Now,  let us look at the “man child” who he is. Is this man child really Jesus (S) as was claimed by the Christian’s commentators? Or is he the universal prophet that mentioned in the Qur’an?

In Revelation 12: 3 to 5 mentioned:

Ø  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.   (Rev.12:3-5) 

  As I have established before the “woman” represents the “church”. That would mean this man child was to come and establish the church universally to all nations and the Devil will tried to kill him but would failed in the attempt and he (the man child) will caught up unto God.

·         Now, first point: If Rev.12 was about Jesus (S) present time in the past where Jesus (S) was ascended to Heaven then that does not add up because Rev.12:5 mentioned:

Ø   “And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron...”

Jesus (S) didn’t fulfill that, he did not even rule the Jews!

·         Second point: If this man child is Jesus (S) and Christians believe he is God then it doesn’t add up knowing they believe he died in flesh, they believe he is man (flesh) and God (spirit). How did he caught up unto God? Which part went up the man or God? The verse mentioned:

Ø  MAN CHILD… and HER CHILD was caught up unto God”.

It didn’t say God (the spirit) caught up unto God the Father! Simple question will suffice for asking Christians, is Jesus (S) went up in Heaven as a man or God? If he went up as a man then he is not God and if he went up as God as they believe then he did not fulfilled that prophesy.

·         Third point: The book of Revelation is a vision of prophesy of future things to come:

Ø   The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass…” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:1&version=9 - - )

So Rev. 12 is not about Jesus (S)! The reason for that is because it is a prophesy of future things Jesus (S) was already in Heaven after the crucifixion according to Christians believe.

·         Forth point: If in his second coming he will ascend to God’s Throne why come when he is already on the throne? Also In his second coming when he would have ascended to God’s Throne would the Jewish’s nation fled into the wilderness or they would be his sheep and he would be their King? It doesn’t add up. Why the woman (the Jewish’s nation as some Christian’s commentators claimed) fled in to the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and threescore days when all nee suppose to bow in his second coming?

Ø  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Rev.12:6

   In his second coming according to Revelation 19 he will not caught up unto God and the Jewish nation will not fled into the wilderness. His second coming according to revelation 19:11, 19-21 he will come with his army to expose all false religion, destroy the Devil (Beast) and his army and cast them into the lake of fire. Revelation 19:11 mentioned, “he will wage war in righteousness” Is there any such thing as righteous war or holy war? Is that Jehad against the devil?

Ø  “And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true.  And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:11-12&version=9 - ).

Ø  And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-21&version=9 -

 On the other hand Revelation 12: 3-5 mentioned:

Ø  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne”.

So that man child is not a prophesied of Jesus (S).

  So we see clearly that Jesus (S) did not fulfilled revelation 12. The Man child who was to rule all nations, he is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which mentioned in Rev.10 and 14:6-7 which I will be explaining later on. He brought the universal book, and he died and caught up unto God and to his throne. He is not Jesus (S) as the Christian’s Scholars had claimed.

 

As you can see Christians do not follow the Gospel (Good News) of Jesus (S) but we Muslims does.

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 September 2011 at 2:27am

   Let me sumarise is for you with some comments and quotes Reepecheep.

 

    When Jesus said, “…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel every creature. ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+16:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - )”. He was instructing his desciples to go and inform the world of the coming of Kingdon of God which is the universal message for all mankind and Jinn (spirit being), and that message was brought by an angel (Rev.14:6-7) and given to a man child (Rev.12:5-10) from another nation:

 

Ø  Jesus said unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - - ) 

  Who rejected Jesus (S)? The Jews! And what will be marvelous in our eyes? It is THE KINGDOM OF GOD, THE FINAL MESSAGE; and the message will bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation.

He said:

Ø  “Therefore say I unto you the kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+21%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&oq=mt%252021%3A43&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=mt&ng=21&ncc=21 - - ).

  The Kingdom of God is the final message (revelation) that yet to come after the demise of Jesus (S) and it would be taken away from the Jews according to Jesus (S) and it would be given to another prophet of another nation.

  That nation is no other than the Ishmaelite, Abraham’s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham promise to bless his son Ishmael and make him a Great nation:

Ø  And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - - )

   This prophesies fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It is not evident that Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes? Sure! Look at Mecca!

Reepicheep, if you are a true follower of the Messiah (S) then he instructed you as followes: “…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (The Good News of God‘s Kingdom on earth) to every creature.”

Because he said:

Ø  “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+24:14&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -

 Think about how important the Kingdom of God was, the Pharisese demanded (ask him) when the Kingdom of God shall come? Jesus explained when he was question:

 

Ø  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:20&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -

 

He tells us how the Kingdom of God will come in Matthew6:31-32:

 

Ø  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

 A grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: The “seed” is the “Everlasting Good news” that mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - - . It was brought from Heaven by an angel to preach to all mankind.

 The “man” it that “male child” who was to rule all people and nations:

Ø  And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…, Rev.12:5).

And he brought “Salvation and the Kingdom of God”:

Ø  Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ…, Rev.12:10)  

Ø  Jesus (S) said: “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” ( http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:21&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - ) 

  If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when you hear the message you believe and accepted it with your whole heart! It will be delivered to your heart, it will be withen you, you have to memorise it, store it in you. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed (message)] to Muhammad (S):

Ø  Allah (S) said: “Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: With it came down the spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-Amin).To thy heart.” ( http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/026.qmt.html#026.193 - )

This is what Allah (S) instructed the Prophet to say:

 

Ø  Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)

Ø  “Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1)

Ø  Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur’an 2:185 )

Ø  Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196)

Ø  And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

Ø  …it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

Ø  …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50)

Ø  ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… (Q.4:47)

Ø  None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not Allah hath power over all things?  (Q.2:106) 

   From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q.5:14)

Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 10:59pm
Peace to all!
 
It seems to me Mr. Jack and Reepicheep agree with all that I have explained here. I thought they would try to refute me. I'll add the marvel and wonder for them.
 

 

Ø  And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+13:29&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - Lu 13:29  

FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Can a man who don’t know to read and write move  such a masses; create such a large congregation comprises of all nations and tribes from the King to the beggar standing side by side speaking different languages with no confusion? Jesus (S) prophesy that in Matthew 21:42-44.

Muhammad (S) didn’t know to read and write:

Ø  And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

Ø  Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q.53:3-5)

Ø  “Therefore say I unto you the kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+21%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&oq=mt%252021%3A43&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=mt&ng=21&ncc=21 - Matt.21:43 ). This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - )

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 October 2011 at 11:04pm

JESUS (S) TELLS US WHO CHRISTIANS IS REALLY FOLLOWING

It is mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - Matthew24

Ø  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many”. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - Matthew24 :4-5

 Did Muhammad (S) come in Jesus (S) name and say I am Christ? No! Did the Angel that spoke to Muhammad (S) claim that he is Jesus (S)? No!

Let us look at Paul encounter:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%209:1-8&version=9 - Acts 9:1-8

·         1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

·         2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

·         3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

·         4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

·         5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

What Jesus (S) said? He said:

Ø  “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - Matthew24 :5    

Note: Paul never met Jesus (S) and he said: “he saw a light” and “heard a voice” and the voice claimed that: “he is Jesus”

  What is most striking is the divine word the voice mentioned:

·         it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%209:1-8&version=9 - Acts 9:1-8 KJV. Is that a word from God or the Devil?

 

THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND THE DEVIL’S INFILTRATION

 Jesus (S) explained the Devil will also have a message here to deceive the world in his name:

Ø  5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - Matthew24 :5   

Matthew13:24-30

Jesus (S) said:

·         24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”

The “seed” is the “Everlasting Good news” and the “man” it that “male child” who was to rule all people and nations.

·         25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

·         26 “But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

·         27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

·         28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

·         29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

·         30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

 Matthew13:36-44

·         36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

·         37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

What is the good seed that Jesus (S) sowed? It is the message of the coming of the Kingdom of God (Islam)!

·         38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

·         39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

That happens when Paul had the visit which he claimed that it was Jesus (S) whom he never met nor saw before:

Ø  “And he (Paul) said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks…And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%209:1-8&version=9 - Acts 9:1-8   

   What Jesus said?

Ø  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=9 - Matthew24 :5.

The Devil has sowed tares (falsehood) among the wheat (truth) 

Then that falsehood later established a foundation at the counsel of Nicaea Council 325 A.D. the new form of Christianity: http://www.islamtomorrow.com/bible/NicaeaCouncil325.htm - http://www.islamtomorrow.com/bible/NicaeaCouncil325.htm

Then After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims in 638, the new form of Christianity under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - Pope Gregory the Great (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade - Crusaders   [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - the seventh king (Empire) ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - west as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation: “And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - Rev.17:11 ).  It was Great Britain and the west the Devil used to sow his tares (children of the wicked one) universally against the children of the Kingdom of God (Those who followed God’s universal message).

Ø  40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

 

Ø  44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

“Treasure” is Knowledge of the “everlasting Good News” and “field” is the “world”.

Matthew13:45-52

·         45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

·         46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

·         47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

·         48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

·         49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

·         50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

·         51Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

Ø  52THEN SAID HE UNTO THEM, THEREFORE EVERY SCRIBE WHICH IS INSTRUCTED UNTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS LIKE UNTO A MAN THAT IS AN HOUSEHOLDER, WHICH BRINGETH FORTH OUT OF HIS TREASURE THINGS NEW AND OLD.

 “HIS TREASURE (KNOWLEDGE)” USING THE OLD MESSAGE (O.T. AND N.T.) TO MAKE CLEAR THE NEW MESSAGE (EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) THE QUR’AN!

Ø  BEHOLD, THE FORMER THINGS ARE COME TO PASS, AND NEW THINGS DO I DECLARE: BEFORE THEY SPRING FORTH I TELL YOU. (ISAIAH.42:9)

 

Ø  And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+8:10&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - Luke 8:10  

 

Ø  And the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) must first be published among all nations. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+13:10&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - Mark 13:10

 

Ø  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's (Good News of the Kingdom of God), the same shall save it. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+8:35&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - Mark 8:35

Ø  And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) to every creature. http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mr+16:15&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - Mark 16:15 (the coming of the everlasting Good News: The Qur’an)

 
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Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 5:28am
truthnowcome wrote: It seems to me Mr. Jack and Reepicheep agree with all that I have explained here.
 
Well, I can't speak for Jack, but I certainly don't agree with what you wrote.
 
Let's go back and review your initial premise which lead to all your bizarre rants and cut and pastes:
 
Some English language translations of the bible contain the word "gospel". The word "gospel" has two meanings. When reading the bible, it is impossible to know which meaning to use. Therefore, Christianity is a false religion.
 
Only the most simple minded of fools would accept your claim as being true.  Since everything you wrote is based upon the above premise, all the stuff you subsequently wrote is clearly nonsense.  So, I feel no need to reply to your posts.
 
 A house built upon sand cannot stand (Matthew chapter 7).  Likewise, an argument built upon false axioms is nothing but lies and nonsense.  But, please don't let me stop you.  If you feel compelled to continue your rant, then go ahead.  But don't be under the delusion that you are revealing some "great truth" through your posts. 


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 2:25pm
Hi,
I don't have problem Gospel (Injeel) meaning good news, the Quran means "recital".
What I was particularly interested in knowing if there is anything like "Gospel by Jesus" what he use to teach and preach as mentioned in the NT.
Hasan

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Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 5:53pm
honeto wrote: if there is anything like "Gospel by Jesus" what he use to teach and preach as mentioned in the NT.
 
I can think of two ways to interpret your question, so I'll give two answers.
 
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If you are asking, "are there any documents which were written by Jesus", then the answer is no.  There are no documents in existance today which can be reliably said to have been written by Jesus.
 
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If you are asking "did Jesus quote from any existing documents when he taught", then the answer is yes.  There are places in the New Testament where Jesus taught lessons from the Old Testament.  To repeat an example I gave earlier in this thread:
 
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor..."

 
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:16-20
An examination of the OT Book of Isaiah reveals that Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 61:1-2. So, not only do we have Jesus telling us that he is preaching the good news, he quotes from the Old Testament to show that his coming was predicted in the scriptures


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 03 October 2011 at 6:49pm

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: It seems to me Mr. Jack and Reepicheep agree with all that I have explained here.

Well, I can't speak for Jack, but I certainly don't agree with what you wrote.

Let's go back and review your initial premise which lead to all your bizarre rants and cut and pastes:

Some English language translations of the bible contain the word "gospel". The word "gospel" has two meanings. When reading the bible, it is impossible to know which meaning to use. Therefore, Christianity is a false religion.

Only the most simple minded of fools would accept your claim as being true. Since everything you wrote is based upon the above premise, all the stuff you subsequently wrote is clearly nonsense. So, I feel no need to reply to your posts.

A house built upon sand cannot stand (Matthew chapter 7). Likewise, an argument built upon false axioms is nothing but lies and nonsense. But, please don't let me stop you. If you feel compelled to continue your rant, then go ahead. But don't be under the delusion that you are revealing some "great truth" through your posts.

     Reepicheep, I had in mind you would have come out from your hole! If my argument built on as you call it, false axioms and say it nothing but lies; prove me wrong!

    It is you who said: “the greek word in the bible manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον which can be literally’ translated into English as ‘good news’”. The rest of translations are opinions of Christian’s scholars, exa. Godspell, gospel and gostspell, etc.

   What I have done first is to establish the usage of the word and I have given this two examples:

Here in Luke the word used to anounced the birth of John (S): Link of whole chapter: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201&version=KJV -

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+1:19&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - The  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=611 -  and  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -  to him, "I  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1510 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1043 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3936 -  in the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1799 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2316 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=649 -  to  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2980 -  to you and to  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -  you  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3778 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 - .

   The word used here to announce the birth of Jesus (S). Link of whole chapter: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202&version=KJV -

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+2:10&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - But the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -  to them, "Do not be  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5399 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2400 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -  you  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3173 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5479 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3748 -  will be for  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 -  the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2992 -

  And I have said: “As you can see the word ‘Good News’ is used to make spicial anouncement of importance.

 So when it was used to announce Jesus (S) message the same application applies.

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+4:23&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 -

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2424 - went http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4013 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5707 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3650 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1056 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1321 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1722 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=846 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4864 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2784 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2098 - (Good News) of the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=932 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2323 - ( http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/extras.cgi?number=5723 - ) http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 - manner of http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3554 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2532 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 - manner of http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3119 - http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1722 - the http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2992 -

  Jesus (S) was announcing to Good News of the coming of God’s kingdom on earth, he was teaching and preaching to the people the Good news of God’s kingdom; and I heve give you a barage of proof that the Good News of God’s Kingdom was a message and you can’t refute me, you call it, false axioms and say it nothing but lies. IF IT IS A LIE PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!! IT CANNOT BE A LIE ONLESS IT IS PROVEN TO BE SO!

   Let us look at it again: We can’t say, for example instead of using the literal meaning “Good News” and used “god spell or gospell which has no meaning except the spell of the gost; it would not be applacable to the birt of John or Jesus (S).

Example:

We can’t read, The  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=611 -  and  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -  to him, "I  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1510 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1043 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3936 -  in the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1799 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2316 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=649 -  to  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2980 -  to you and to  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -  you  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3778 -  gospel or godspell. http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+1:19&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - Lu 1:19 . I have to be Good News!

 

Again: But the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=32 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3004 -  to them, "Do not be  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5399 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2400 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2097 -  you gospel or godspell of  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3173 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5479 -   http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3748 -  will be for  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3956 -  the  http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=2992 - http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+2:10&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 - Lu 2:10 . It has to be Good news!

   So how can you say the word have two meanings when you haven’t proven to me how? Show me from the writhings, prove me wrong! Prove me to be lierd! Prove me to be false! Dont show me some scholars’ opinnion of the word! I have given you two verses as my proof. Let me give you one more.

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel (THE EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - - )

Same word used there to preach (to announce something that is of highly importante) the comming Judgment / the universal message.

Prove me wrong!

TRUTHNOWCOME



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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 05 October 2011 at 1:42pm
Reepicheep,
I meant was what you interpreted in your second answer.
I know when reading the Bible I remember verses where Jesus (pbuh) is quoted to have preached Gospel, as in Matt 4:23 mentioned by TNC.
Whether, it was in written form or not, God's revelation to Jesus (pbuh) it seem that Gospel was the message he was preaching, according to the above quote. Kind of like Porphet Mohammed (pbuh) preaching the Qruan, recieved as revelations. In later case we do have the Quran as preached by the Prophet, what I was asking was if there is anything like The Gospel, as recieved by Jesus as God's revelation which is mentioned he was preaching, in what we have as the Bible.
Gospels according to Mark, Matthew, and so on are kind of like narrations or hadiths for Muslims by disciples of the Prophet about his teachings, where is the Christian equivalent of the Quran? (that Jesus (pbuh) is quoted to be preaching in the Bible.)
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 06 October 2011 at 5:48am
honeto wrote: I know when reading the Bible I remember verses where Jesus (pbuh) is quoted to have preached Gospel... Whether, it was in written form or not, God's revelation to Jesus (pbuh) it seem that Gospel was the message he was preaching... what I was asking was if there is anything like The Gospel, as recieved by Jesus as God's revelation which is mentioned he was preaching, in what we have as the Bible.
 
You are correct when you say that the "gospel was the message he was preaching".  In other words, when the English word "gospel" is used in English language translations of the bible, it is referring to the message that Jesus taught and not to an actual book.  Jesus taught these lessons orally, he wasn't reading from a book which was already in existance (other than when he quoted from the Old Testament to illustrate his lessons).
 
The books of the New Testament, and in particular the four books Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were written after the death and resurrection of Jesus, but they contain a record of what Jesus taught.   


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 10 October 2011 at 3:21pm
Thanks reepicheep,
Ok, so Jesus was preaching something, "Good News" you agree as say in the Bible, but you don't believe it was revelation from God that he was preaching?
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 10 October 2011 at 6:42pm
honeto wrote:  you don't believe it was revelation from God that he was preaching?
 
I believe that Jesus is God, so of course I believe that what Jesus preached came from God.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 13 October 2011 at 3:00pm
That is interesting, if he was God I wonder why would these words are associated with him, and they clearly show that he has a God, and let us examine some of those sayings claimed to be Jesus' words:
In John chapter 14 verse 31 we read: " 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence"
Here Jesus (pbuh) is claiming to have received commandment from someone other than himself!
Simple questions arise like: If he was God, tell me do God receive or need commandment(s)?
And from who?
In order to keep it simple, untangled and beneficial, I will stop here and wait for your reply before continuing.
Hasan





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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 14 October 2011 at 6:50am
honeto wrote: John chapter 14 verse 31 ("I love the Father and I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.") ... If he was God, tell me do God receive or need commandment(s)?  And from who?
 
In this chapter Jesus stresses that his followers should be obedient to him (e.g., v15: "If you love me, you will obey what I command."; also v21 and v23).  In v31, Jesus is showing us by example what he means (i.e., we are expected to be obedient to God, in the same way that Jesus is obedient to the Father).


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 17 October 2011 at 3:48pm

All I wanted to say with this verse was that Jesus is said to have recieved commands from "God the Father". He recieved commands! that is all I wanted to emphasis.

Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 17 October 2011 at 5:35pm
honeto wrote: Jesus is said to have recieved commands from "God the Father"
 
So, as a muslim, you believe it is wrong for a muslim to listen to his or her parents, or treat them with respect?  Is that why you are surprised that Jesus listened to his Father?
 


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 29 October 2011 at 5:15pm
no, that he received commands from God.
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 31 October 2011 at 8:21am
honeto wrote: he received commands from God.
 
Why do you find it strange that God would follow his own commands????


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 02 November 2011 at 1:10pm
because God that I know only give commands, not follow them. The one who follow the commands is not God, in my belief, in Islam.
Hasan

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 14 November 2011 at 8:07am
 Salaam to all!

I didn't visit his forum for a while, that is because I was working on another project. I am taking the DAWA to new faceses, check it out:

THY KINGDOM COME: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGlxupdwjE -

ST. Paul:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MH7qfYmpb4&feature=related -

Br. zainool
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 14 November 2011 at 12:58pm
Jazakallah
may Allah reward you for your efforts brother to make sense of matters often confusing and misrepresented.
Hasan

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 December 2011 at 9:10pm
Salaam Br. honeto.

Alhamdullilah, I hope my effort bare fruit, Inshallah.

I will add a cople more links to this thread for future refference.

Qur’an in Revelation 10:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SbB_CARoIo - Muhammad (S) in Isaiah 29:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mQZgeCGOFk - Muhammad (S) in Isaiah 28  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzVbmuK7zZc - Where is the Church of Jesus (S)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBuUGf4lFlA - Muhammad (S) in Isaiah 42  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6fRrcpRcoY - Muhammad (S) in Habakkuk 3 duet.33 and Jude 1:14-15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MomVQJ4JxsM -



Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 06 December 2011 at 2:54pm
Great effort and work brother, may Allah bless you and us all, Ameen.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"



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