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Topic: Combined Wonders Of Quran And Astrophysics
Posted By: locker_13
Subject: Combined Wonders Of Quran And Astrophysics
Date Posted: 20 August 2011 at 10:47am
Please take time and read this article I wrote.
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If anyone asks about the relationship between Islam and the modern science, the reply would be that they both harmonize with each other. Emphasis is laid on it especially by the Islamic scholars and the Madrassas. And yet, they are not able to elaborate fully on this matter. While much emphasis is laid on the rights of people (Haquq-ul-Ibad), Salat, Ramadhan, Eid, Zakat etc, hardly any thought is considered on the latest scientific discoveries and their importance. These kinds of talks, apparently, are not welcome in Madrassas and in most of the Islamic debates due to the fact that they are all worldly knowledge. What these Madrassas are missing out the fact is that Allah Almighty not only orders the Muslims, but the whole mankind to ponder over His Creations. In Surah Yusuf, verse 105, Allah Almighty says, ‘How many signs are there in the heavens and the earth which they pass and pay no attention to them?’ Studying and pondering over the Creations of Allah Almighty does not drive one away from Him, rather, it brings one much closer to Allah Almighty when one discovers more of His Glories.

 

Besides containing modern details of geography and human creation, the Holy Quran particularly contains astonishing details on astrophysics, many which were discovered in the early 19th century, when understanding of the Universe was being slowly developed by the use of satellites and space shuttles. Among these which are most prominent (and almost unknown to us) are the stars, the behavior of the Sun and Moon, expansion of the Universe, the concept of plurality of worlds, the length of time during the formation of Universe and the black holes. There are many other subjects that deserve to be elaborated and many which remain a mystery to us. It must be remembered, though, that although we have excelled in technology and science, the real essence and nature of the Universe still remains largely unknown.

 

The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed far greater than the creation of mankind; yet, most of the mankind knows not.’ Surah Ghafir, verse 57.

 

A star is a massive, luminous ball of plasma that is held together by gravity. It is formed when a large amount of gas (hydrogen, mostly) collapses on itself due to its own gravity. As the gas contracts, its atoms gain kinetic energy and start to collide with each other more frequently with greater speeds. Because of this collision, the gas gets heated up. Eventually, the gas becomes so hot that its atoms, instead of colliding with each other, merge together to form Helium (this is called nuclear fusion). The heat released in the nuclear fusion is what makes stars shine. The heat also increases the pressure of the gas in such a way that it balances its gravity and the gas eventually stops contacting. As long as heat is produced in the nuclear fusion balances the star’s gravity, the star remains stable. Eventually, the star will run out of its ‘fuel’. This is because the more massive the star is, the more hot it needs to be to balance its own gravity. And the hotter it is, the faster it will use its fuel in nuclear reaction. When the star finally reaches the end of its fuel, it collapses under its own gravity, forming a black hole.

The closest star to the Earth is the Sun. The Sun has got enough fuels that will enable it to last for several million years. The Sun is currently about halfway through its main sequence evolution during which nuclear fusion reactions in its core fuse hydrogen into helium. It is estimated that in about 5 billion years, the Sun will enter a red giant phase; its outer layers expanding as the hydrogen fuel in the core is consumed and the core contracts and heats up to a temperature around 100 million K. As a red giant, the Sun will have a radius beyond the Earth's orbit, which means its radius would increase by 250 times. This information (and new research) suggests that Earth will be swallowed by the Sun due the Sun’s expansion. And even if the Earth would escape being incinerated in the Sun, all of its waters (i.e. the oceans) would have boiled away and its ozone layer would escape into space, thus, ending all life. Following the red giant phase, intense thermal pulsations will cause the Sun to throw off its outer layers, leaving an extremely hot stellar core which will slowly cool and fade. Allah Almighty has already given us these fact in the Holy Quran, in Surah Yaseen, ‘And the Sun, it runs on its fixed course for an appointed term. That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.’, and in Surah Al-Najam, ‘What will tell you what the Morning Star is? A star of piercing brightness!’ 1400 years ago, in the age of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W), no one could have entertained a thought that the sun not only runs on its ‘fixed course’ (a discovery explained in the next example) but its existence is temporary. The fact in this verse matches with the modern data since stars are the known objects in universe that have a lifespan. This verse also confirms the scientific predictions that the Sun will indeed die, which is why it is for an ‘appointed term’. Secondly, at the time of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W), people of different religions used to worship the stars, due to the fact that they appeared as beautiful pinpoints of lights (this is because these stars are at millions of kilometers away from us). It was centuries after the death of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W), in the 19th century when it was discovered that stars are not the pinpoints of lights as they appear, rather, they are extremely bright and massive in size. They matched then with the knowledge of Quran that the stars are of ‘piercing brightness’.

 

It was thought at first that the sun was stationery. It was in its fixed place while the planets orbited around it. In the 1900’s, space shuttles discovered the presence of sunspots on the Sun’s surface (sunspots are the regions of intense magnetic activity). These sunspots were observed to make revolutions. This proved that, while the Sun is fixed in its place, it revolves and rotates in its own axis. It was a discovery; but a discovery that one is not surprised to hear when one reads what Allah Almighty says in the Holy Quran, in Surah Al-Ambiya, ‘It is Allah who has created the night and the day, the sun and the moon, each one rotating about its own axis.’ This appears to be in perfect agreement and it was most certainly not known at the time Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) that the Sun rotated, especially given the fact that in the desert of those times, the Sun hurt the eyes when one looked at it directly, thus making it impossible for anyone to study or even observe it!

The Big Bang, made in 1949, is a prevailing cosmological theory that describes the early development of the universe. It states that the universe was initially a gaseous mass composed mostly of hydrogen, helium and lithium that was slowly rotating. Then there was a big ‘bang’ and the gaseous mass split. This splitting resulted in the formation of the galaxies and the stars. The Big Bang Theory received much opposition from scientists. Arthur Eddington, a notable astrophysicist and an expert on the theory of relativity, stated that if the Big Bang had indeed taken place, there must have been radiation surplus that took place right after the explosion. These radiations, now known as cosmic microwave background radiations, must be present uniformly over the universe. Following the statement, in 1964, two scientists, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, accidently discovered the cosmic microwave background radiations while conducting diagnostic tests on a microwave detector owned by Bell Laboratories, proving the Big Bang Theory. Further evidences confirmed the theory, when observatories space shuttles discovered vast amounts of hydrogen and helium, from the initial explosion that caused the formation of the universe, present uniformly in space. Allah Almighty has given us these facts of the Big Bang Theory very precisely in the Holy Quran, in Surah Al-Ambiya, ‘Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, and then We clove them asunder?’, in Surah Al-Mairaj, ‘Moreover, (Allah) turned to the heaven when it was smoke and said to it, “Come willingly or unwillingly” and they said “We will come willingly”’. These verses present a very accurate description of the initial state of the universe. They mention the initial state of the universe in a gaseous mass composed of fine particles, which is why the word ‘smoke’ (dukan in Arabic) is used. It is an excellent example to use for the initial gaseous state of the Universe since smoke is also made up of a gaseous substrantum and fine particles that may belong either to a solid or a liquid. Furthermore, the verse in Surah Al-Ambiya describes the separation process of the gaseous mass when it was ‘cloven asunder’. There is nothing in it that is vague or contradictory. This 1400 year old information in the Holy Quran matches perfectly with the modern 19th century-proposed Big Bang Theory.

 

At the time of the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W), the sun and the moon were easily distinguished. The sun was known as the blazing body of the desert, and the moon as the coolness of the night. The Sun, being a star, generates an intense heat of 5505’C and luminosity of 3.846 x 1026 W due to its internal combustions and annihilation of matter and antimatter on its surface while the moon, which does not radiate light (as believed by the people for centuries), is an inert body and only reflects the light it receives from the sun. There is not one word in Surah Al-Furqan that contradicts with the given data or sounds vague at all, ‘Blessed is He Who has created the constellation and placed therein a lamp and a moon which has reflected light.’ In Arabic, the word for reflected light is ‘nur’ and here; it is used specifically for the moon. Moreover, the word ‘lamp’ here is used for the Sun is a simile. As a lamp radiates light and heat, it fits beautifully with the behavior of the Sun.

 

Specialists in astrophysics consider it highly likely that planets similar to our Earth are present in the Universe. In our Solar System, there is no life found in any of the known planets (except the Earth) as conditions present in them are hostile to any form of life. The reason why it is thought that life other than Earth exists is this; it is thought that our Milky Way galaxy contains 100 billion stars and about half of them must, like the Sun, rotate slowly; a characteristic that suggests that they are surrounded by planetary satellites. These stars are so far away that it makes them unobservable. An undulation in a star’s rotationary path indicates the presence of a planetary satellite. Therefore, it is thought that the Barnard Star (a star located far away in our galaxy) must have at least one planet companion. This planet is estimated to have a mass greater than Jupiter (And Jupiter is the most massive planet known in our Solar System; it is 2.5 times the mass of all the planets combined of our Solar System) with at least two satellites. Earth and the Solar System are, therefore, not unique. All this was completely unknown at the time of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W). But Allah Almighty has given this information in the Holy Quran, in Surah Shura, 'Allah has created the heavens and the earth and has put creatures between them.', in Surah Ta-Ha, ‘To Him (Allah Almighty) belongs what is in the heavens, on earth, beneath them and beneath the soil.’ In Surah Al-Furqan, ‘He is the One Who created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six periods.’ In Surah Al-Sajda, ‘God is the One Who created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six periods.’ Here, these verses speak about three things. Things in the heavens, things inside the Earth’s soil and things between the heavens and the Earth. While we do have ideas about the nature of the heavens and the structure of the Earth, they are not properly understood.  There are still many proposed hypothesis that need more elaboration and astrophysicist are still looking for a unification theory that describes the entire Universe.

 

Another interesting thing to note is the mention that Allah Almighty created the heavens and the earth in six periods. A period is a stretch of time that can either be very long or short. Astrophysicists state that the formation of the Universe took a very long period of time (an epoch). This piece of modern data is in complete harmony with the Holy Quran, since the Holy Quran states that the formations of the heavens and the Earth took six periods; the Arabic word for periods used is ‘ayyam’ (plural for ‘yaum’) which means either days or very long periods of time.

 

In 1929, Edwin Hubble observed from his extra powerful telescope the behavior of the different galaxies. He saw that other neighboring galaxies were moving away from our galaxy. He published his findings and stated that the entire universe was expanding. In a way, he also proved that the Universe was not static (i.e. it was not unchanging) as was previously believed by many influential scientists. This is already present in the Holy Quran, in Surah Dhariyat, ‘The Universe, We have built it with power. Verily, We are expanding it.’ The expansion of the Universe is one of the most important discoveries in astrophysics. It was the use of the100-inch telescope that enabled Edwin Hubble to make this discovery. All this information present in the Holy Quran, revealed 1400 years ago, proves that this is all came from a Divine Source. It is impossible to imagine that this information could have come from a human source, especially 1400 years ago, when people thought the Universe to be infinite.

 

In the Holy Quran, Allah Almighty said about the unbelievers in Makkah, ‘Even if We opened unto them a gate to the Heaven and they were to continue ascending therein, they would say: “Our sight is confused as in drunkenness. No, we are people bewitched.”’ Many translators, when translating this verse, included a question mark at the part of ‘a gate to the heaven’. According to Syed Mohammad Shuja, a notable Islamic astrophysicist suggests that this ‘gate to the heaven’ refers to the black holes in space. To understand the true meaning of this verse, it is important to understand the behavior of a black hole. As mentioned before, when a star collapses under its own gravity, it forms a black hole (this collapsing of a star is also called ‘death of a star’).

Black holes are regions in space that have such strong gravitational force that nothing can escape from them, not even light. In a way, they literally ‘suck’ everything in themselves. They can continue to grow by absorbing mass from their surroundings. By absorbing other stars and merging with other black holes, supermassive black holes of millions of solar masses may be formed. Currently, there is strong evidence that there is a supermassive black hole of more than 4 million masses at the center of our Milky Way whose gravitational force is causing our galaxy to spiral. Time slows down near black holes. Due to their strong gravitational pull, they can cause even very distant stars to orbit around them. Unwary astronauts may get trapped in black holes. Due to variation of gravitational force of the black hole, astronauts are torn apart when they come near it.

 

Many astrophysicists (including Einstein himself) believe black holes to be exits of this Universe and beyond them would lead to the heavens. It is also thought by Islamic astrophysicists that the event of Mairaj, when the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) was taken on a Burraq (that travelled at the speed of light) to see the heavens, was closely related to the black hole that is thought to be present in our galaxy. The hypothesis states that it is highly likely that Allah Almighty created an anti-gravitational force that balanced the effects of gravitational force of the black hole and hence, enabled the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) to enter the black hole, along with the Angel Hazrat Jibrael (A.S), that lead to the heavens. From there, Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) possibly entered more black holes that ultimately, brought him to the Sidra-tul-Muntaha, the final destination (or the final heaven), where the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) met Allah Almighty and was presented with the gift of 50 Salat. While this is considered to be strongly likely, it is not proven yet because modern astrophysics still has not fully understood the nature of black holes. This anti gravity force, however, still has its own logic (it was proposed by the famous astrophysicist, Albert Einstein) considering the presence of matter and antimatter in our Universe. It is perfectly possible that anti-gravity could have balanced the gravity of the black hole that allowed the entry of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W).

 

More verses that indicate towards the black holes is in the Holy Quran, Surah Rehman, verse 33, ‘O you assembly of Jinns and Men, if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them except with Our Sanction.’ Here, Allah Almighty is addressing the Jinns and the humans (Ins). The words used for ‘penetrate’ are nafada followed by its preposition min. If we translate them to English, they mean ‘to pass right through and come out on the other side of the body’. The verse presents a situation of deep penetrations in the heavens and earth. This, as most Islamic astrophysicists suggest, is referring to the black holes. If black holes are indeed the dimensions to heavens, they would be ideal for the deep ‘penetration’ in the Universe. Islamic astrophysicists, furthermore, argue by pointing to out that Allah Almighty had sent the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.W) as a ‘mercy to all worlds’; they consider that the presence of other worlds like ours are beyond the black holes possible (by this fact, astrophysicists agree). This verse tells us that we can ‘penetrate’ through the regions of the heavens and earth only if Allah Almighty grants us the Authority to perform such deeds. Only by the guidance of the All-Mighty, we are able solve the mysteries of the exotic realms of this Universe.

 

There are verses in the Holy Quran, Surah Suafaat, ‘We have indeed adorned the lowest heaven with an ornament, the planets. Plus, a guard against every rebellious evil spirit. So they cannot listen to the supreme council for they are hurled from every side. They are outcast and theirs is a perpetual torment. Except him who tries to eavesdrop, there pursues him a blazing meteorite. ’ While these verses do harmonize with modern science by confirming the existence of planets, these verses remain a mystery. What is this ‘lowest heaven’? Where it is located? Could it be an expression for the ‘Solar System’? It is known that no other star in our galaxy is presently known for having planetary satellites except the Sun. Is it perhaps referring to another star in our galaxy (maybe the Barnard Star?) that is thought to have planetary satellites? And is the ‘ornament’ the star itself?

 

Are these ‘rebellious evil spirits’ the devils (shayateens) themselves? Some Islamic scholars have stated that the lowest heaven means the galaxy we are living in. If that is so, then how come Iblis himself and the evil Jinns are allowed to roam on our Earth? And what is this ‘supreme council’ that these evil spirits are forbidden to eavesdrop? The verses inform us that a ‘blazing meteor’ chases the spirit who tries to eavesdrop. Can this blazing meteor be the shooting stars we usually see in the skies? And if the lowest heaven really is our galaxy, then why don’t the verses mention the presence of the 100 billion stars in our galaxy? Why only planets?

 

All these observations seem to lie outside the subject of astrophysics and present human knowledge. Allah Almighty has given us these facts for the sake of completion. Perhaps in future, by His Permission, we could explore more in detail of this subject. Currently, modern science is unable to cast any light on this mystery that goes beyond the human understanding.

 

How close does one’s heart recline towards Allah Almighty! And by what? By discussing Haquq-ul-Ibad only? By condemning science as worldly and useless for our faith? A human can only unlock the understanding of the Majesty, the Power, and the Glory of Allah Almighty by not only pondering, musing and studying His beautiful and exotic Creations; but by understanding and reflecting on the essence of the miracle of miracles, the Holy Quran. That’s the reason why the present Muslim Ummah is so weak and helpless. The Hadith of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) speaks to us, ‘He who studies the Quran is like the owner of tethered camels. If he attends to them, he will keep hold of them. If he lets them loose, they will go away.’ (Bukhari). And no doubt, we have let go of our Holy Quran. By doing so, we have let go of the guidance that is our only hope to survive. We have no one but to blame ourselves for our current predicament. Blaming America and the CIA for the situations of our country, of us will get us nowhere. Why are we so vulnerable to their attacks? How come they are so easily able to hoodwink and attack us? The problem must lie with us.

 

It is commonly observed that people recite the Holy Quran and learn it by heart and are not at all bothered by its meaning. Simply reciting the Holy Quran does not serve the purpose. It is illogical to do so because Allah Almighty has not ordered us to just read the Holy Quran. Allah Almighty says in Surah Nisa, ‘Will they not then ponder on the Quran?’ Muslims are ordered to study, ponder and reflect on the teachings of Holy Quran and apply it in every moment of their lives. The Holy Quran gives guidance from Allah Almighty to the Muslims. What guidance do we get by just reading the Holy Quran? Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) has prophesized that a time would come when the Muslims, though great in number, would be as weak and ineffective as the scum on the surface of flood waters. One can hardly doubt we are living in that age. The only reason is that we have turned our backs on our Creator, Allah Almighty and we have neglected to understand the Holy Quran and we are too busy with our lives without bothering about Islam. Our only hope, now, is forgiveness from our Lord and reforming, actually reforming, our lives and by spreading the message of Allah Almighty, as did His Prophets, with courage, faith and zeal.

 

Forgiveness is the only incumbent on Allah towards those who do evil in ignorance, then quickly (in repentance) to Allah. These are they towards whom Allah relents. For Allah is Ever Knower, Wise.’ Surah Nisa, the Holy Quran.

 

A beautiful verse of Surah Fussilat, ‘Soon We shall show them Our signs in the furthest regions of the horizons and into their souls until it is clear to them that this is the truth.’ May Allah Almighty forgive us all, give guidance to every human being, fill our hearts with love for Islam and enable us to serve Islam in the best possible way.




Replies:
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 21 August 2011 at 2:57pm
What a fantastic waste of time.  This subject has been approached from so many equally ridiculous directions it is a wonder that there are any more left.  However, I must admit, I have as yet not seen the "theory" that Mohammed might have gone to heaven through a black hole.  I think I might try my hand at interpreting the Quran if it is really this vague and open to anyone's musings.    


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 23 August 2011 at 4:02am
Originally posted by schmikbob

What a fantastic waste of time.  This subject has been approached from so many equally ridiculous directions it is a wonder that there are any more left.  However, I must admit, I have as yet not seen the "theory" that Mohammed might have gone to heaven through a black hole.  I think I might try my hand at interpreting the Quran if it is really this vague and open to anyone's musings.    
 
Hello brother schmikbob,
Greetings!
 
I suggest you first concentrate on whether you believe in God. Because the holy books, including the Qur'an, and the Messengers, including Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) etc. come afterwards.
 
It is all systematic. One first learns alphabets before words, and then words before sentences. Learning methodology may vary, but learning is a long process.




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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 23 August 2011 at 7:44am
I concur, learning is a very long process.  However, learning is based on facts.  Facts build upon each other.  The scientific method is based on gathering data to support a hypothesis and build a theory.  This article is
the opposite of that, the very antithesis of it.  The author is using scientific data and discoveries of 20th century to attempt to prove the unproveable.  Vague statements made in the 7th century may conform to 20th century science but so do the writings of Aristotle.  For that matter so does Moby Dick.    


Posted By: locker_13
Date Posted: 25 August 2011 at 7:36am
Originally posted by schmikbob

I concur, learning is a very long process.  However, learning is based on facts.  Facts build upon each other.  The scientific method is based on gathering data to support a hypothesis and build a theory.  This article is
the opposite of that, the very antithesis of it.  The author is using scientific data and discoveries of 20th century to attempt to prove the unproveable.  Vague statements made in the 7th century may conform to 20th century science but so do the writings of Aristotle.  For that matter so does Moby Dick.    
Can you please give me an example of what am I trying to prove the unproveable? If you are thinking about the black holes and extraterrestrial life, scientists admit that there are high chances that they do exist. And what is so vague in the Quran? Aristotle and other scientists' statements made were correct but many of them were wrong. For example, they believed the Earth was the center of the universe, they believed the universe was unchanging and had no beginning, they believed everything was made out of earth, air, fire and water. They do not speak about the expansion of Universe in the Quran, neither do they speak about the striking similarity of the Big Bang the Quranic description of the creation of the heavens and earth nor they spoke the sun and moon rotated. So if Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) (God forgive this thought) copied from Aristotle, do you think it is logical to assume that he crossed out the wrong things and, on his own initiativeness, added such scientific details that modern was only able to prove recently? I am not trying to offend you, I am simply pointing out a fact to you. I thank you for giving me your critisms. I am open to them and I will, if God Wills, try my best to correct them.


Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 9:03pm
"Can you please give me an example of what am I trying to prove the unproveable? If you are thinking about the black holes and extraterrestrial life, scientists admit that there are high chances that they do exist"  First of all, my comments have nothing at all to do with whether or not black holes and extraterrestrials exist.  Those propositions belong in the realm of science and don't belong anywhere on a post about religion.  The Quran of the 7th century added nothing new to science.  It was simply written vaguely enough so it doesn't contradict modern science.  That 's really not a difficult task, as much as you might wish it to be.  By the way, the list of things that are technically incorrect in the Quran are endless, try googling the subject.  You will be on line for the rest of the year. 


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 29 August 2011 at 12:29am

Hello brother schmikbob,
Greetings!

“The Quran of the 7th century added nothing new to science.  It was simply written vaguely enough so it doesn't contradict modern science.  That’s really not a difficult task, as much as you might wish it to be.”

Is there any book of the 7th century (or preceding it) other than the Qur’an that was written so it doesn’t contradict the modern scientific facts? Please provide the evidence.  

“By the way, the list of things that are technically incorrect in the Quran are endless, try googling the subject.  You will be on line for the rest of the year.”

There are hundreds of anti-Islamic web sites on the internet. But, this is a Islamic discussion forum where one is expected to discuss his or her concerns amicably and respectfully for the purposes of learning and understanding.    

As I said in my previous post in this thread, learning happens systematically. Do you believe in God? If you don’t, I think you better start a thread in the interfaith section, say, how to prove scientifically that there is a God or something to that effect.  

Science is not absolute, but it is a tool to understand the magnanimous wisdom of the Creator and the Sustainer of the universe. Science has its limitations, whereas God is perfect.

Last but not least, if there is a contradiction between Islam and science in any way, we take the position that science may still be in a developing stage along the line. Because science changes from time to time, it is not science that defines what Islam is or what Islam should be. However, science may help explain magnificent creations of the Creator (Allah/God).

Brother, I would like to share a beautiful verse here:

 

Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?

 

Qur'an 41:53

 

May Allah guide us all.

Peace



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 29 August 2011 at 6:46pm
I would argue that the writings of Galen and Hippocrates stand as an amazing compilation of medical knowledge of their time.  The histories of Herodotus and Thucydides are also authors of books at the pinnacle of writing on the Greco-Persian wars.  They do not resort to vagueness or pretend to be anything other than what they are.  Nor does anyone try to interpret them to stuff meaning where it doesn't belong.
I have found the attempt to find scientific meaning in some rather vague statements in the Quran that have not previously been attributed with this meaning is a recent phenomenon.  It is shocking to me that more people, muslims in particular, don't have a problem with this.
Also, I feel that the Science and Technology section is a perfect place for a discussion about science in the Quran.


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 31 August 2011 at 3:54pm

Hello schmikbob,
Greetings!

“I would argue that the writings of Galen and Hippocrates stand as an amazing compilation of medical knowledge of their time.  The histories of Herodotus and Thucydides are also authors of books at the pinnacle of writing on the Greco-Persian wars. They do not resort to vagueness or pretend to be anything other than what they are.  Nor does anyone try to interpret them to stuff meaning where it doesn't belong.”

I expected that you would quote works of Astrophysics that don’t contradict with the modern scientific facts. For example, what was prevalent then with regards to the creation of the universe? Anyway, Galen and Hippocrates made great contributions in their times. But, their work was not flawless. For example, Galen’s theories of the circulation of blood were refuted later.

 “I have found the attempt to find scientific meaning in some rather vague statements in the Quran that have not previously been attributed with this meaning is a recent phenomenon.  It is shocking to me that more people, muslims in particular, don't have a problem with this.”

I think this may be discussed in detail in another thread. Briefly speaking, Muslims are capable of appreciating the signs of Allah as they apply both faith and reason (of course, faith dominates) to understand Him and His amazing creations. In the process, faith and science harmonize, but faith overrules science in contradiction. For example, early Muslims had the faith in the entire Qur’an, even though many verses were at odd then with the prevailing science.      

“Also, I feel that the Science and Technology section is a perfect place for a discussion about science in the Quran.”

It seems we are on the same page as long as the discussion takes place for the purposes of learning and understanding. Debating from an atheistic perspective, for example, may be accommodated in the Interfaith section.  

Looking at your interest, I am creating a thread in this section ( http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21665 - schmikbob’s questions ) where your concerns may be discussed at length:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21665 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21665
 
May Allah guide us all.
 
Peace


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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 8:10pm
Originally posted by locker_13

We have no one but to blame ourselves for our current predicament. Blaming America and the CIA for the situations of our country, of us will get us nowhere. Why are we so vulnerable to their attacks? How come they are so easily able to hoodwink and attack us? The problem must lie with us.


 
I wholeheartedly agree with this...

America needed a foothold for surveillance of the new adversary now  the defunct USSR. It was not revealed by the leaders cuz the truth was too bitter to tell and even bitterer to hear by the hypocritical and characteristically weak masses... being in bondage far too long!

It about time someone should speak about this part of the history, longer the Pakistanis would behave in disingenuous manner longer their sufferings would be!
Only the truth would set them free not the lawlessness and corruption!



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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 05 September 2011 at 8:43pm
Wow, Sign Reader, I think you must have posted this in error because I certainly am having difficultly finding relevence.


Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 06 September 2011 at 7:41am
The Quran is not a science book and neither is the Bible. Fabricating all kind of connections is total nonsense and a complete waste of time. The Quran does not predict discoveries in astrophysics. We should rather discuss how 7 billion people can get along with each other.



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Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 06 September 2011 at 8:17am

Hello Matt Browne,
Greetings!

“The Quran is not a science book and neither is the Bible.”

The Qur’an is not the book of science; it is primarily the book of guidance. The Qur’an contains many verses that exhort believers to ponder upon them.

“Fabricating all kind of connections is total nonsense and a complete waste of time.”

That may be your opinion. But, Muslims are commanded to study, comprehend, and believe in the entire Qu’ran. That means it is not the waste of time for them. It is rather an act of worship for them.

“The Quran does not predict discoveries in astrophysics.”

The bottom line is that it directs believers to read the Qur’an with meaning and thought. Scientifically speaking, you don't nullify anything without any evidence. For example, what evidence do you have that the Qur'an does not predict discoveries in astrophysics?

“We should rather discuss how 7 billion people can get along with each other.”

We should definitely discuss as to how to unify the entire world, how to stop the war and violence etc., and how to prevent them from happening in the first place. There are many sections here, and you may take part to promote this process.



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 06 September 2011 at 8:35am
I don't get it Peacemaker.  Why start a new thread when this one appears to be the right place for this discussion as you have confirmed with your last post?



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