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On the ground in Mosul, Iraq

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Topic: On the ground in Mosul, Iraq
Posted By: b95000
Subject: On the ground in Mosul, Iraq
Date Posted: 30 August 2005 at 11:23pm
From Michael Yon on the ground in Mosul, Iraq:
Thursday night, a revised plan had me following some Deuce Four soldiers on a midnight raid.  
They had night vision gear, so they moved quickly. I had only moonlight, so I nearly broke my leg keeping up. Sleeking around Mosul under moonlight, we prowled through the pale glow until we came upon a pond near a farmhouse. Recon platoon had already raided one house and snagged some suspects, then crept away in the darkness to another target close by.

Five soldiers from Recon—Holt, Ferguson, Yates, Welch and Ross—were moving through moon-cast shadows when an Iraqi man came out from a farmhouse, his AK-47 rifle hanging by his side. Suddenly encircled by the rifles, lights and lasers of four soldiers, the man was quickly disarmed. A fifth soldier radioed for the interpreter and together they sorted out that he was a farmer who thought the soldiers were thieves skulking around his property. Recon returned the man his rifle, and started making their way back, umbral and silent across the ploughed fields...

Enemy Forces

In Mosul, the enemy has two main faces: The Former Regime Elements (FRE), and the extremists. The extremists here in Mosul can be divided into five groups—more or less—one of which would be the local chapter claiming affiliation with the so-called Al-Queda gang.

The goals of the FRE and the extremist gangs are at stunning variance. In fact, they mostly hate each other, often kill one another, and work together only as needed. If the Coalition and new Iraqi government were not here, conveniently located as a central target, the FRE and other terrorists would almost certainly be at war with each other.

The main goal of the FRE is simple: Under the former regime, they were in charge. They want to be in charge again. In Saddam Hussein's regime, the Cynic's Golden Rule—"He who has the gold, makes the rules"—worked both ways: "He who makes the rules gets all the gold." The FRE bandits made the rules and controlled the gold. They have an understandable nostalgia for the good old days. They liked being in charge. They despise the prospect of people they once persecuted, such as the Kurds, suddenly acquiring any voice whatsoever. It’s not as if the FRE are totally disenfranchised, but more that they are no longer in complete control.

Whether or not someone might agree with the FRE, there is little dispute that these people have rational goals. Yet rational does not imply tenable in a newly democratic Iraq. This situation is not burdened with nagging grey areas where battle-scarred former combatants can work to some diplomatic compromise. This is an either/or situation. If the new democratic system takes hold, mathematics dictates that the FRE are not going to be in charge; they are outnumbered two to one. The FRE are Sunni Ba’athists while the majority of Iraq is Shia. The FRE is trying to destabilize the new government while simultaneously leveraging their position. Their primary strategy for both is to use violence against government officials and the civilians who elect them.

The FRE—being essentially rational but also essentially brutal—are simple to understand. They are serious, often deadly, but are not fanatical in the degree of their personal commitment to the cause. If they die, they will not regain control. It's a fact here on the Iraqi battleground—though seldom mentioned—that the majority of FRE insurgents are climate-sensitive. They almost never attack when it’s cold, raining or even muddy. As a rule, if conditions are such that the Little League baseball game back home would be canceled due to inclement weather, these FRE insurgents will stay home and wait for the skies to clear.

Of the two groups, the more intractable and irrational enemy wraps their rebellion in a flag of fundamentalist fervor. Although the press routinely lumps all of these similar groups under the banner "Al-Queda" (whatever that really is) there are actually five main extremist groups operating in Mosul. They have common ground. Some members seek fulfillment in apocalyptic visions of a world at war, wherein everybody except them—or even including them—dies. In other cases they see the war shaping a new world, one that is entirely Islamic. The word "extremist" is not an overstatement for them.

These extremists are irrational, dangerous, often highly emotional, and cannot be trusted with large weapons. Every day, they kill innocent people in Iraq. The FRE and most of the Iraqis tend to hate the extremists, realizing that if the Coalition were to leave, they would face the full wrath of these fanatics alone.

Friendly Forces

The friendly forces in Iraq are also an amalgamation. In Iraq as a whole, the Coalition is comprised of soldiers from many countries. But here in Mosul, the "Coalition" is almost entirely US, charged with building the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF), while simultaneously keeping the insurgents at bay until the ISF can take over. Building the ISF is part of a larger plan that will allow our people to come home, without leaving a wounded Iraq victim to septic fundamentalism from within, or invasion from opportunistic neighbors.

Some definitions: The ISF includes the Iraqi Police (IP), Iraqi Army (IA), Iraqi National Guard (ING), Border Patrol (BP), and sundry other groups, each with their own initials. Every month, the ISF becomes a greater and more proximate threat to FRE and extremists groups throughout Iraq. This is borne out in a most ironic fashion; evidence of the growing competence and capability of ISF shouts from the headlines as the Iraqi government itself becomes the primary focus of insurgent attacks.


Gone are the days when the FREs and extremists in Mosul chased police from their stations and ravaged entire neighborhoods at will. Today, the ISF kills and captures enemy every day in Mosul, something that seldom makes news.

In my own dispatches I rarely mention these successes, yet I see or hear about small operations every day, collecting in ever larger pools of confidence and stability. There's no time to write about each event; this would be like trying to describe every raindrop that hits the windshield while keeping up with a fast moving storm. Eventually, a competent witness must stop taking notes, and step back to see the storm for what it is.



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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.



Replies:
Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 31 August 2005 at 6:19am
How many on this board would believe that posting this Joe Blogg here suddenly turn the war to be legal?


Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 01 September 2005 at 10:59am
How many on this board believe that because 'Sahsa' says the war is illegal that the war is illegal...hmmm...let's take a poll in Iraq - oh, they have?  And 9 million people voted for legitimacy?  And more will in October and more will after that in December?  Hmmm...who are we to believe on the question of legitimacy - those millions of people or one, Sasha, the anti anti wonk?

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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 01 September 2005 at 2:10pm

Did they vote to legitimise the war? This war + occupation will stay illegal however hard you or, for that matter all the 243 million Americans, shout.

The day the dim witted Americans understand that election is no stamp of legality specially held in captivity that day the world will start calling them by some other names.



Posted By: nico
Date Posted: 01 September 2005 at 2:25pm
Show us how this war was legal...please I need a laugh.


Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 12 September 2005 at 12:19am
Originally posted by nico

Show us how this war was legal...please I need a laugh.


16 Chapter 7 UN Security Council Resolutions were violated.  These are the most serious, force attached, resolutions.  What did you (and Saddam) think was going on?  A game?  The dispute was only over timing - not over whether Saddam deserved to be ousted..he clearly did..


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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 13 September 2005 at 11:54pm

Nico, sometimes I feel so sad for such obsessive denial condition. It's almost like a disability or some serious illness. Afghan public is also now alienated beyond repair because these ultra right wing death cultists denial specialists(who now control every single aspect of US apparatus) only project what some Krazai or Jaffery has said.

And, then they will blame Islam for any attacks that may happen for their mental disability or sheer disregard for Public Perceptions, Human Rights or general opinions across the world. I have read this man's posts, the message is simple and clear - the world must run only by what I think!!



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 14 September 2005 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by Whisper

Nico, sometimes I feel so sad for such obsessive denial condition. It's almost like a disability or some serious illness.

B: Personal ad hominem attacks don't eviscerate facts - you must accept that as part of reality.  Saddam was a mass murderer and you wanted to leave him be.  Sad that..Who is suffering from illness and disability between our two positions and recognizing reality and facts?

Afghan public is also now alienated beyond repair because these ultra right wing death cultists denial specialists

B: Apparently they were fine when people were shooting women in the head in soccer stadiums and chopping off fingers and hands and tongues...but now they're REALLY offended, huh Sasha?  Is that the bill of goods you're trying to sell us?

And, then they will blame Islam for any attacks that may happen for their mental disability or sheer disregard for Public Perceptions, Human Rights or general opinions across the world.

B: Sasha, as a non-Muslim, you certainly enjoy stirring up strife and trying to talk about desecrations and Muslim issues et al.  I've come here to talk about the issues and facts, but you want to stir up strife...that is your 'game' - sad that..

I have read this man's posts, the message is simple and clear - the world must run only by what I think!!


B: I've never said that ever - let's just stick to the facts - is that really sooo difficult for you sir?  I know, it's not how the communists 'run' things..


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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 17 September 2005 at 5:04pm

I've come here to talk about the issues and facts,

That's news for us. Never found you discussing anything, but just trying to sell us some worn out Neo Con lines. And thos too in a very arrogant American way.



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 19 September 2005 at 7:59am
Originally posted by Whisper

I've come here to talk about the issues and facts,

That's news for us. Never found you discussing anything, but just trying to sell us some worn out Neo Con lines. And thos too in a very arrogant American way.



I'm selling 'worn out neo con lines' according to you. (This is inaccurate by the way.)  Meantime, you're defending the Taliban and Saddam's power...hmm...which is more bizarrely illogical and immoral??


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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 19 September 2005 at 11:18am

Meantime, you're defending the Taliban and Saddam's power

That's perhaps the most difficult thing for you to understand - just for that - either you are with us or against us - Neo Con formula. Some of can afford to knock, both, the US and their foes with slightly broader mental horizens.

I have always been against all forms of oppression; be it the Talibani variety, the Saddamist strain or the US better packaged version.

I was against these chaps even when they were the US favourites. Today, the US is against these powers. Tomorrow if it suits the Neo Cons or their master, Sharon, they will be sold to us, again, as the best thing on our planet.

You may consider us dumb but we have woken up to the US tricks especially since Iraq. That's why most people in the world today find MacDemocracy to be nothing but a fraud. 

People in Iraq and Afghanistan have totally different reasons to go out and vote. And, it will come to you as a bigger shock than even 9/11 when you come face to face with that reason.



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 20 September 2005 at 2:27am
Originally posted by Whisper

Meantime, you're defending the Taliban and Saddam's power

That's perhaps the most difficult thing for you to understand - just for that - either you are with us or against us - Neo Con formula. Some of can afford to knock, both, the US and their foes with slightly broader mental horizens.

B: You've consistently said the Taliban, for instance is 'better than the pizza man Karai' or some such tripe...so you ostensibly prefer the Taliban by your own words.  People like the Taliban criminals don't give up power.  They needed to be ousted...so this had nothing to do with some esoteric nuanced judgment like you're suggesting; some broader mental horizons - bunk!  You would have left the Taliban to their murdering ways to shoot women through the head in soccer stadiums...

Shame Sasha! - for playing such games.

I have always been against all forms of oppression; be it the Talibani variety, the Saddamist strain or the US better packaged version.

B: Wow!  You're actually saying it's 'better packaged.'  Are you feeling alright?  You may want to take your temperature..

I was against these chaps even when they were the US favourites.

B: Talibans were never the US favorites...if you're speaking about the pre-Taliban, certain elements that eventually became the Taliban - flowing out of the Mujahadeen - but the Taliban proper didn't constitute politically until years after Russia was ousted from Afghanistan (somewhere in the early to mid 90s...oh yeah, but the Hurricane is to be blamed on US evil too, right Sasha?  I can't expect such a simple mind to grasp the nuances...even when you claim to grasp nuances (as you did above) they make NO SENSE - as in the case of opposing the Taliban and the Coaltion, when, in this case, you can only practically have one or the other alternatives.  You certainly hadn't presented a third one - even with all your communist party and clan leadership skills taken into account.

Today, the US is against these powers. Tomorrow if it suits the Neo Cons or their master, Sharon, they will be sold to us, again, as the best thing on our planet.

B: This is just ludicrous, bombast...welcome to the Sasha bombast channel - all bombast, all the time...brought to you by 'bring back the Golden Years of Mullah Omar and Saddam..." Proudly by Sasha, the Whisperer.

You may consider us dumb but we have woken up to the US tricks especially since Iraq.

B: I do not consider you dumb, until you begin to impugn all evil to the US.  That is really dumb.

That's why most people in the world today find MacDemocracy to be nothing but a fraud.

B: And, of course, you've made it clear - you know 'everyone worth knowing.'  Which means you've polled everyone worth polling (I'm sure) about this topic...oh, that's right - the millions that just elected a parliament in Afghanistan are just a farce...just puppets...millions of puppets in the hands of the US...ha!  How could anyone imagine that such a puppet show could ever take place...and yet Sasha imagines it...and another million man march, million woman march, millions strong puppet show will happen in October in Iraq also...it's all a farce to the great Mullah Sasha - who longs for his Golden Olden Days...of the great leaders...Saddam and Omar and Osama...where are you?



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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 20 September 2005 at 3:50pm

We know anyone is 'better than the pizza man Karzai'. Only we know where we stand with Foreign puppets.

Write as much as you do the sheer fact remains that sooner than you may estimate, we will win our freedom from the worst enemy we have known in our history. You are ferengi, we will throw you out. We have every right in this world to live the way we wish to live. You hold no grounds to impose anything on us.

It's as simple as that. We will take your might on. The whole region will, not just us.  



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 20 September 2005 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by Whisper

We know anyone is 'better than the pizza man Karzai'. Only we know where we stand with Foreign puppets.

Again, you're like Minister Farakan arguing for the veracity of the million puppet march! Wow...

Write as much as you do the sheer fact remains that sooner than you may estimate, we will win our freedom from the worst enemy we have known in our history.

And I don't take it that that is the Taliban shooting women through the head in soccer stadiums - no you mean those Americans and multi nationals that brought the first parliamentary elections in 25 years...uh huh..wow, what a rich view you have Sasha...it stinks it's so rich..

You are ferengi, we will throw you out.

B: Fine, perhaps you are an idiot and they will throw you out!  And that would be their right, their freedom...throw the scoundrels out - no matter who they are!  (and no thanks to you and your communist ilk.)

We have every right in this world to live the way we wish to live. You hold no grounds to impose anything on us.

B: Nor you, as you are want to do, on us!  Can't you see the hypocrisy of your statements of superiority, especially in light of the facts at hand?  Oh that's right - it's the 8 million puppet march..

It's as simple as that. We will take your might on. The whole region will, not just us.

B: What you are fighting is freedom itself, and the future (and for no reason!) - not the US - you refuse to see that man - wake up and see that! 



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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 21 September 2005 at 4:28am

I promise I would have responded to it if it made any sense at all.

Didn't realise that on the ground Afghan situation will blow your fuse so badly. But your admin should have learnt a lesson or two from the Brits if not the Russis. We always beat the hell out of occupiers.

It's as simple as that. Keep all the rest of your bull**it for your home market.



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 21 September 2005 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by Whisper

...Didn't realise that on the ground Afghan situation will blow your fuse so badly.

B: Listen to your doom and gloom - almost rooting for negatives and defeatism and doom!  It's pathetic Sasha - and you're a leader in your country?  Where's your hope for your people, pride, something?  Where is it?  All you can come to is - this is gunna blow up in your face?  Is that what you really want?  A bunch more people to die?  That's just pathetic...you should be ashamed to call yourself a leader - where's your hope?  Posit some hope and redeem the situation and come back to boot the foreigners out but only because you've established and can take care of it...right now we're cleaning up the mess you and the Soviets and many other left there...(including the US to some degree I'm sure) but get real and take some responsibility for the future and for your people there in light of the reality of the world...

 But your admin should have learnt a lesson or two from the Brits if not the Russis. We always beat the hell out of occupiers.

B: Wee hoo...If we were trying to conquer and occupy you'd have some reason and somebody to beat up - but since we're trying to capture and kill killers you should be happy...but you're not which makes me suspect, once again, that you're siding with killers and murderers so much...I've heard weird things about communists - but is this true?  Are you complicit with killers and murderers and those who shoot women through the head at soccer stadium to perverse cheers?



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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 22 September 2005 at 3:32am

but since we're trying to capture and kill killers you should be happy

Is it really that smart to repeat your utterly idiotic presidente's lines. We have been hearing these boring lies for a bit too long.

Which killers? How many Afghans were in those 9/11 hijackers? How many of them were Iraqis?

Why aren't the Afghans helping you despite flashing that $25 million prize?

We know where our future lies + we hold every RIGHT to decide our own future - WITHOUT AMREEKI ARSE NAL. Afghans treat you as ferengi occupiers - tough luck.



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 22 September 2005 at 6:18pm
Sasha: Is that what you really want?  A bunch more people to die?  That's just pathetic...you should be ashamed to call yourself a leader - where's your hope?  Posit some hope and redeem the situation and come back to boot the foreigners out but only because you've established and can take care of it...

You're not thinking of solutions here, just more death...Shame to think you fashion yourself a leader of people...


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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 22 September 2005 at 6:25pm
Originally posted by Whisper

but since we're trying to capture and kill killers you should be happy

..your...presidente's lines.

B: Of course you defend Saddam's reputation and have promoted communism - yeah, let's listen to you!

Which killers? How many Afghans were in those 9/11 hijackers? How many of them were Iraqis?

B: Those that support and aid with AQ, especially utilizing the privileges of state and those who were heinous killers have been dealt with.  I'm very sorry your against accountability for murderers - they must have pretty low standards in your clan...I just can't imagine what you stand for Sasha...and yet you're superior - self proclaimed!!

Why aren't the Afghans helping you despite flashing that $25 million prize?

B: $25million isn't worth your life - Obviously, with some recent events, it's clear that many AQ will fight to the death for their murder king.  I'm not surprised people haven't come up against that rat's nest.  Saddam was caputred because he didn't want to die, I suppose.  But he may die anyhow soon and he will die and face God eventually, as will OBL.  Why do you play silly games like that though Sasha and why do you defend Saddam?  Will you also defend OBL?  Tell us what a good man he is?  Your hatred for the US is such that it wouldn't surprise me..

We know where our future lies + we hold every RIGHT to decide our own future - WITHOUT AMREEKI ARSE NAL. Afghans treat you as ferengi occupiers - tough luck.

Take care of your messes - that would be a good place to start...and we'll leave you alone...



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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Amazon815
Date Posted: 23 September 2005 at 10:54am
It shouldn't be a question of whether the war is legal or not. Too
many innocent lives have been taken in the crossfire. That
should be the issue at hand. Not legality. Its too late to obsess
over that.

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We walk the streets at night. We go where eagles dare.


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 24 September 2005 at 12:31pm

It shouldn't be a question of whether the war is legal or not.

Noble sentiments. This crossfire won't end without justice in our world. The illegality of this war and the occupation matter to spot the criminal US intent and purpose.



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 26 September 2005 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by Amazon815

It shouldn't be a question of whether the war is legal or not. Too
many innocent lives have been taken in the crossfire. That
should be the issue at hand. Not legality. Its too late to obsess
over that.


Please explain to us the alternative(s) the world had to 'the crossfire?'  Thanks...


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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.



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