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Topic: any questions from non-muslims ?
Posted By: unity1
Subject: any questions from non-muslims ?
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 9:37am

Asalam Aalaikum

I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly.

Regards,

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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.



Replies:
Posted By: Laurie
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 9:44pm
As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin.  I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell!  As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God.  My question is thus:  It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity.  I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots. 

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So God wills it. So be it. It is done.


Posted By: femme
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 5:29am
The purpose of praying is not because God is insecure, He does not need our prayer for anything. Prayer is to glorify Him, to thank Him and to show respect and ask for whatever, and much more. The punishment is for those that don't pray...not praying is saying you're not thankfull and you don't believe etc. 


Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 7:15am
God is your personal trainer. Just keep doing the exercises! What is more
important than a little quality time?

DavidC


Posted By: unity1
Date Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:06am
Originally posted by Laurie

As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin.  I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell!  As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God.  My question is thus:  It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity.  I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots. 


Asalam Aalaikum

First let me clear your misconception, God doesnot force us to pray and worship Him, He has just ordered his creation(human beings) to worship him and has given them freewill so that they can practice what they want to practice without any difficulty and may not have any chance of blaming and questioning Him.

God orders us to pray not because He is insecure and I donot find any rationality behind this assumption of yours. God orders us to pray because in prayer their is a key to success not only in the wordly life but also in the life hereafter. God orders us to pray because He
wants us to gain benefits that He has placed in prayer.

The Islamic method of prayer is very beneficial for both the spiritual and physical aspects of the body and this method of prayer can also be explained scientifically.

Their are more than 100000 angels that worship Him non-stop ,He is neither hungry for our prayer neither gains any benefits from our prayer, when he orders us to pray, He does that because He wants us to acheive success .

I hope it is clear.

If you have any further question on this topic, then please ask without any hesitation.
Regards,


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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.


Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 26 March 2005 at 4:26am

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillahi ir rehman ir rahim,

The islamic concept is that Allah/God is free of all needs, whereas all that is besides Him is but, in need of Him.

Worshiping Allah is to express one's slavehood and servitude towards Him.

We ought to worship Him because He (and He alone) is worthy of worship.

As said in Surah Luqman (31:21) we bestowed (in the past) Wisdom on Luqman: "Show (thy) gratitude to Allah." Any who is (so) grateful does so to the profit of his own soul: but if any is ungrateful, verily Allah is free of all wants, Worthy of all praise.

We worship Him in a manner prescribed by Him, because He is worthy of worship in the best possible manner .... which only He could teach man - He who has taught man everything, that he knew not ...

Peace,

Nausheen



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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: tawhid
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 2:29pm

Originally posted by unity1


Asalam Aalaikum

I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly.

Regards,

aalaikum salem

blessings in Christ my lord

where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution?

where are the real enjeels?

sukran.

tawhid

 



Posted By: tawhid
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:06am
hello?


Posted By: blond
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:42am
Originally posted by tawhid

[QUOTE=unity1]
aalaikum salem

blessings in Christ my lord

where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution?

where are the real enjeels?

sukran.

tawhid

 

W.A.S.

I have read that Darwinism was funded by Zionists.

You may want to research the Chaldean Councils of Nicea, where rabbinical scholars literally made up (frabicated) the myth of the Trinity. According to historical documents, it was there that they decided which books to include in the first Greek Septuigent "version" of the Bible, which books to leave out, and which parts of the remaining books to alter.

I would go into where you can find the Original "Lost Books", but it may be too hard to accept and I don't want to spark any debates on that subject.

Thank you.



Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 7:44am

Originally posted by Laurie

As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin.  I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell!  As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God.  My question is thus:  It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity.  I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots. 

I think, the answer to your question is related to the purpose of human beings on this earth. You must have heard the story of prophet adam and eve and their disobeidence to Allah's command on the seduction of satan. It is almost the same in Christianity as well in Islam uptill this point but not any more in the details after wards. So let me continue the Islamic version of it (Kindly let me know if you need its reference from Quran as I don't exactly remember the verse # etc at this moment; but surely can look up to it if needed). We believe that adam and eve were not sent on earth as a punishment for their sin but they were predestined for this place right from the very begining of human creation. Humans are all made of clay that belongs to this place (earth). However, when satan made his point to show Allah as how the humans are potentially liable in disobeying Him, Allah told both humans and the satan to go down to earth for a particular and limited time (before the day of judgement). He also told them that those who would follow His commands shall be blessed and rewarded after the day of judgement. But those who would continue to follow satan and would become one of his accomplices, shall be punished for their disobeidence. This is why the day is call the "day of judgement", when every human is accountable for his own deeds. Good or bad, he has to face the day and get reward/punishment for all his actions that he did on this earth while alive. I want to make this further clear, that both, adam and eve, repented for their sin and Allah forgives anyone who repent. So, in a true sense, this life of ours is a test, like we are in an examination center. The satan is continuing in his evil deeds especially to divert humans from obeying Allah, however, Allah has sent the prophets as guides and reminders to humans to serve Him and Him alone. Thus, all our prayers and rituals to please Allah are for our own benefit only. Of course, Allah doesn't need them but he does promise good rewards for those who remain obeident to Him and punishment for those who disobey Him in this life and Allah never breaks His promise. Hopefully this makes sense to do good deeds and remember Allah continueously till our life time is over (time's up guys, hand over the paper). Rest Allah knows the best. cheers!

 



Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 8:29am
Originally posted by tawhid

Originally posted by unity1


Asalam Aalaikum

I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly.

Regards,

aalaikum salem

blessings in Christ my lord

where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution?

where are the real enjeels?

sukran.

tawhid

 

My friend, as I understand it with my limited knowledge of Islam, there is really no debate (as its not an issue) in Islam over "Evolution and creation". Both are adjoint circumstances and can be true simultaneouly. This doesn't mean I am approving the evolution theory. There are lot of things in this world that Allah has not revealed to us in any form, however, do ask us to explore; explore through the knowledge and wisdom He has given us. The things we know for certain, what He has told us in Quran, is that Allah created first human being named, Adam, and sent him down to this earth along with his partner Eve. This could be the evloutionary form of any preexisting species on earth; I can't rule out this possiblity as Allah has not told us anything about it in Quran (at least, I have not heard anything about it before).  How adam and eve came to this earth, is also not told in specifics in Quran, however, one may attempt to guess it and that would always remain challangeable to other's views and logics. We also know that Allah had created universe and the earth (complete system of life) before sending Adam and eve into this system. So one can make out, again guess, that other animals could be the prior habitats of this earth, therefore, evolution of life may not necessarily begins with Adam. I think, the same stance can also be taken from the Christians or jews perspective, but the problem enters when their scrad books start counting time in a definitive way to reach not only to the geneology of adam but far beyond when God created this world etc. It is in this perspective that modern day science starts questioning the information based on biblical accounts. My disclaimer: This is totally my personal thought and I don't claim to be an expert on any thing. Rest Allah knows the best. Cheers!

 



Posted By: Shams Zaman
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 11:42am

My Dear Muslim and Non-Muslim brothers and Sisters! 

Be peace on you all, As Salam o Alikum!

 

We today are living in the world of logic and rationale. Yet, unfortunately we must have ignored a few basic and most important questions regarding our lives. Like:

(1)   What is the purpose of our life?

(2)   If we all have the same purpose then why we are divided in different religions?

(3)   If this worldly life is everything then why there is life and death?

(4)   Who is the creator of this Universe and what does he want from us?

(5)   Which is the true religion and what is thy logic?

 

Let us try to find the answers to these questions and I invite you all to explore them as well.

PURPOSE OF CREATION:   To exactly find the answer to this question we will have to go back to the origin of Human life. Science estimates that human life came to existence about 400,000 years ago while it claims to have discovered the earliest fossils of 40000 years old human.

While the Old Testament or the Torah says life is 10000 years old. So when Torah said this, it’s been almost another 3000 years. This adds the total to 13000 years. I would agree to this and am also of the opinion that the human civilization is not older than 15000 years, and now it is about to complete its age.

Before the Human civilization on earth the Jinns (creation of Fire) used to live. But and once they had turned this earth into hell due to chaos, bloodshed and wars, Allah ordered the angels along with some righteous Jinns to destroy their civilization. Lucifer whom we today call as the devil or the Satan was among the most pious Jinns.

He with his sincerity and dedication earned a very respectable place in heavens and became the head of all the righteous Jinns. Soon he became conceit and proud of himself. Allah who knows even the thoughts in our hearts not only disliked it but also put Lucifer to the test. Allah announced that He is creating a being as his deputy on earth out of clay. So once Allah had created Adam (though without soul) He provided Satan with full opportunity to see and judge the Adam. So once Satan was sure of it that the new creation (of clay) is inferior to him he was satisfied.

Now Allah ordered all angels and Jinns in heaven to bow in front of Adam after He had spelled His sprit in it. Upon this the Lucifer refused to bow on the false pretext of his superiority and creation from fire. He had failed the test.

Allah ordered him to leave the heavens as disgraced and rejected. At this point rather to repent for his arrogance Satan challenged Allah that Adam or the Human civilization is not worthy enough to be given the status of “Deputy (Caliph of Allah).”

The incident is covered in detail at almost six places in Quran. These are:         Sura Baqra-2, verse 30-40,    Sura Araaf-7, verse 11-30,    Sura Bani Israel-17, verse 61-67,    Sura Saad-38, verse 71-85,    Sura Hijar-15, verse 28-43,   Sura Kahaf-18, verse-50,      Sura Taha-20, verse 115-123.

At this point Satan also challenged Allah that he can prove that Human kind is not worthy of the honour which Allah has bestowed upon. So he asked Allah to give him time so as to prove his claim, which Allah granted him.

Now look at his words, in which he challenges, “He (Lucifer) said: As Thou hast caused me to go astray (by putting me to test), I will certainly lie in wait for them in Thy straight path o Then I will certainly come to them from front and from behind and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and Thou shalt not find most of them thankful o” (Sura Araaf-7, verse 16-17).

“He (Lucifer) said: See for thyself: Is this the one whom Thou have honored over me? If Thou grant respite me to the day of resurrection, I will most certainly obliterate (and cast astray) its complete civilization except for very few o” (Sura Bani Israel-17, verse-62).

Adam and eve were then sent to heaven but they were told to stay away from a tree as a test. Satan beguiled them and they disobeyed the commandment of Allah. This event was merely a reminder for rest of the man kind that should not act on the advice of Satan and must not believe in his promises as his only aim is to cast you off the righteous track. That’s the reason we find this incident common to all the three divine religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. So we all acknowledge that Satan is our sole enemy.

Thus Brothers and Sisters we have been sent in this world for a test and the result would be simple, those who fail will be rewarded in hell and the successful will soothe in the heavens. The path has been laid down for us now the choice is ours. And anyone who thinks that we will earn a place in heaven without any worship and hardship he has actually fallen in the trap laid down by the Satan. You can’t fetch good grade or position in any exam without extreme hard work and neither can you stay in job without working for full hours.

So how can you expect to land in heaven without any worship or hardship. But majority of humans including Muslims as well have fallen in this trap. So merely believing in Muhammad, Jesus or Moses (May peace be on them all) will not fetch you the salvation.

 

DIFFERENT RELIGIONS:      All human were created from one seed, Adam and Eve. So initially there was one religion and that was to worship one God. Later Satan lured humans off the right path and they started worshiping the seen and distant things like moon, sun, star, idols etc.

Every time humans would go astray, Allah selected His messenger to guide them to the right path and gave them divine revelations. Each time this happened, and time and again Satan would cast them away by motivating them to make alterations in the Holy Scriptures. This continued on till ages until Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came in this world. But this time Allah Almighty announced that Muhammad is the last messenger and Quran is the last revelation and from now on no messenger will be sent forth.

However what unusual happened this time was that Allah pronounced that no one will have the power or authority to make any alterations in the last revelation “Quran” till the end of this world. So anyone who is interested to find the truth, he can consult it from the Last Testament (Quran). But the struggle between the good and evil continued and is to last till the doomsday.

Now one important question arises here that why all the alliances had to come in existence against Islam or Muslims. Whether it be Balkans, or Chechnya, Kashmir or Palestine, Sudan or Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan. All forces are acting for one purpose alone, ‘TO TARGET ISLAM’. They can’t see a state with Islamic ideology but only with a secular identity. While Islam has no trouble to see the Western style democracy as a form of government. We can see for ourselves as to how multi-religious nations have formed an alliance against Muslims before the coming of anti-Christ or Dajjal (as we call him).

There can only be two possibilities that either all other religions are wrong and Islam is right or either Islam is wrong and all other religions are right.

Surely Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and all other religions have altogether contrast teachings and one can easily conclude that who are obeying Allah and who are following Lucifer. And to find out which is the true religion we will have to consult the religious scriptures. And only Quran is in its original form.

If Judaism says that we are the chosen people and whatsoever we do to the Gentiles or Goyims we will not be asked in the hereafter. Well this is an unjust claim and must be rejected as folly of Satan. And if we can’t become Jew then why were we created we never wanted to be treated as animals or live like a third grade citizen? Then is the god of Jews unjust? But the Real and One God is not, and cannot be unjust. So again this is trap of Satan.

If Christianity says that only believing in Jesus (as Son of god) will take you to heaven then Jesus should have been the first one to descent from heavens and all messengers should have delivered the same message. And if he is the son then where is the mother? What about other children? Did god had only one son in ages and why not more? Is this possible that god is one as well as three at the same time? Which is this math by the way 1+1+1=1?

So there is one religion for all to believe in one God and to submit to his commandments since the Prophet Adam. What else exists is the distorted picture of true religion at the hands of Lucifer.

 

IF THIS IS THE ONLY LIFE THEN WHAT LIFE AND DEATH MEANS?     Some people would say that this is the only life and there is nothing in the hereafter. Well then who sends us in this world and where do we go after death?

What comes in us and what go out of us and who controls it?

Why to adhere to ethics and morality them?

The only purpose then should be survival, earn fame, money and good position in the society?

Why the nature is unjust as one is born limbless, blind or poor while other is rich?

We don’t see any loophole in nature then why this injustice in humans?

If one manages to escape justice in his life even after killing hundreds, collecting money through drugs etc then where to seek for justice?

Unfortunately most Muslims have also fallen in the trap set by Lucifer. Most think that Prophet Muhammad (MPBUH) will save them from hell even if they don’t perform the righteous deeds and by merely believing in Muhammad as the last messenger they get license to heaven. The concept seems to be inspired from that of Christians and Jews. Against the teachings of Islam they are divided into sects and everyone is confident that he has the license to heaven and most have indulged in the practice of Shrik (associating partners with Allah). Like some follow the distorted teachings of Sufism while praying to the dead, for some the personal whims and desires have sought top most preference, while others consider nationalism and secularism as superior to Allah and Islam.

So the non-Muslims should not worry, they certainly will find lot of Muslims also burning in the hell alongside them. Bearing Muslim names does not qualify a person for heaven.

Another question arises that is religion a personal affair. Definitely not, will someone insolently pass over his brother’s house on fire just commenting that “Its his personnel affair?” No, he would try to put off that fire. Similarly we must try to save our Muslim and non-Muslim brothers and sisters from entering the hellfire. They are not our enemy rather the Satan is who has mystified them. So please help them in finding the right path as we will be asked that whether we delivered the message or not?    

  

WHO IS CREATOR AND WHAT HE WANTS FROM US?      

Allah our creator and what He wants from us is clearly stated in His last and Final Revelations The Quran. However, in short He wants from us,

  1. Not to associate partners with Him.
  2. Worship Him alone.
  3. Believe in Angels, all His revelations and messengers.
  4. Believe in the Day of Judgment.
  5. Pray 5 times a day, fasting 30 days a month, pay Zakat (charity), perform Hajj once in life time.
  6. Do not kill any innocent, obey your parents, treat others gently and avoid intimate relationship with others except for your legitimate life partner.
  7.  Avoid social evils like adultery, stealing, drinking liquor, gambling etc.
  8.  Struggle for the creation of ideal and peaceful society on Islamic principles progressively using all available means (Preaching, Teaching, Education, Dialogue, Personal example and force if necessary, but not on others for conversion).

 

TRUE RELIGION AND LOGIC:

Why Islam is a true religion:

  1. It is in its purest form and safe from alteration.
  2. Its teachings are the same since Adam.
  3. It provides all the solutions to all existing issues.
  4. It has no contradictions in the divine revelations and is 100% compatible with modern and technology.
  5. It offers solutions as how to achieve the end state by creating an Islamic society.
  6. It offers unique and equal rights within the laid down framework for men, women and even animals. 
  7. It offers a direct contact with God (Allah Almighty) with no intermediates and channels.
  8. It makes sure that all previous divine revelations (Torah, Zaboor, Injeel etc) and all messengers of God should be accepted and believed in.

 

THE MESSAGE STANDS OUT CLEARLY CHOICE IS YOURS.           

Shams Zaman  Pakistan 

smszmn72@yahoo.com 



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Posted By: Laurie
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 10:31pm

A very long and tedious read Zaman and only convincing if first and foremost you believe that the person Mahammad did actually see Archangel Gabriel as he stated. 

No one else saw the Angel. So, if I was a non Muslim, reading this site and had difficulty with the manner in which Mahammad got his revelations than I would think you were, as they say, "preaching to the converted."  Other Religions base their faith on a divine messenger and his revelations as well as Islam, so, as I see it, you have to first convince me with very objective (not subjective) arguments, NOT DOGMA, that it is beyond question, that the Arcghangel Gabriel visitations did in fact happen and indeed it was God talking to him vide Gabriel. 

 And I do believe we could all learn a great deal about God, how to find God within, wholesome moral living, service and the life hereafter from the writings of the Mystic Sufis moreso than the Quran (My opinion only).

As you stated at the start that we "live in a world of logic and rationale" well the Mystic Sufis will give you God without all that logic and rationale.

What about free will? 

You sound like a very conscious and committed Muslim who is passionate about his Religion, adoration of God and service to the world community but as to converting me, your writings speak too heavily of Dogma, blind faith and eternal damnation with hellfire and brimstone. There have been many men and woman who have been divinely inspired statesmen/women who have changed the course of history for the betterment of all mankind you will have to convince me that Mahammad, although possibly the best, was any greater than them. How you do that I do not know.

Good luck to you Zaman and I wish you God's peace, grace and blessings throughout your liftetime of submission to God's will.



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So God wills it. So be it. It is done.


Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 5:56am
Originally posted by Laurie

A very long and tedious read Zaman and only convincing if first and foremost you believe that the person Mahammad did actually see Archangel Gabriel as he stated. 

No one else saw the Angel.

Sometimes the Angel came to him dressed like a man. Had long conversation with him in public, and he (muhammada sallallahualaihe wassallam) delacred his identity after he left.

Revelations did not come on him always in private. These were witnessed by many of the companions and his wife Ayesha (raa) on several occasions.

I am sorry for keeping it short .... will get back when I have more time

Peace,

Nausheen



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Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:10am
Originally posted by Nausheen

Originally posted by Laurie

A very long and tedious read Zaman and only convincing if first and foremost you believe that the person Mahammad did actually see Archangel Gabriel as he stated. 

No one else saw the Angel.

Sometimes the Angel came to him dressed like a man. Had long conversation with him in public, and he (muhammada sallallahualaihe wassallam) delacred his identity after he left.

Was Muhammed the only one that saw the Angel? or did others saw the Angel to?



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: blond
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:59am
Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by Nausheen

Originally posted by Laurie

A very long and tedious read Zaman and only convincing if first and foremost you believe that the person Mahammad did actually see Archangel Gabriel as he stated. 

No one else saw the Angel.

Sometimes the Angel came to him dressed like a man. Had long conversation with him in public, and he (muhammada sallallahualaihe wassallam) delacred his identity after he left.

Was Muhammed the only one that saw the Angel? or did others saw the Angel to?

Peace.

I believe that in this Hadith, the Prophet (pbuh) asked those present if they knew who that man (Jibril) was, after he (Jibril) departed.



Posted By: Shaheen
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 1:11pm

Originally posted by Laurie

As in the Catholic Faith believers are made by God to attend Mass on Sunday or commit a mortal sin.  I f the believer then dies in this state of sin he is punished in hell!  As with the Islamic faith believers are made to pray 5 times a day at specific times in adoration of God.  My question is thus:  It may be quite niave but if God can create us, humans of such mental & physical complexity and as well the Universe in its entirety to enable us to survive, why then he is so insecure as to to make us pray and adore him under the threat of punishment on judgement day and into eternity.  I thought that is why God gave us free will otherwise we would be just religious robots. 

Your question, Laurie, is not niave, it is a very deep question, these are some points, I think you should consider:

  • Don’t you think that we should thank our creator who made us enjoy all these beautiful senses and created the universe for us to live in with perfect precision?
  • Every thing in this universe including all creatures worship God in their own way., Just listen to the birds at dawn and at sunset why are they all suddenly singing?
  • Do they have the choice not to worship God? And who has the choice to worship GOD or not?
  • Man is giving the choice of worshipping god, shouldn’t he be accountable for it?
  • What is the definition of worshipping god?
  • Hasn't God set laws for every thing within this universe, and all follow and work in synergy, read these Quranic verses:  

 

·        Allah (almighty) says in Al-A'raf (The Heights)

 

7:54 Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!

 

·         and also almighty says Al-Mu'minun (The Believers)

 

23:71 If the Truth had been in accord with their desires, truly the heavens and the earth, and all beings therein would have been in confusion and corruption! Nay, We have sent them their admonition, but they turn away from their admonition.

 

  • Now only Man has the choice not to follow God’s laws, what happens if he disobeys God? And what will happen to the synergy of all laws working together?
  • I f you have 5 sons, some of them respect you and obey you, and the others don’t, who will be rewarded? And will you punish who doesn’t obey you?

I hope I have drawn some lights for you, and I will do my best with Gods help to answer all the above questions, and any others you have in mind.

 

Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameen  (Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the world). and God knows best.

 

Regards,

 

Shaheen

 

 



Posted By: Shaheen
Date Posted: 08 April 2005 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by tawhid

Originally posted by unity1


Asalam Aalaikum

I welcome all my non-muslim friends in this forum who are interested in Islam. If you have any question regarding Islam ,then please donot hesitate to ask them here ,inshallah we will attempt to answer your question promptly.

Regards,

aalaikum salem

blessings in Christ my lord

where does islam stand in the debate of chreation and evolution?

where are the real enjeels?

sukran.

tawhid

 

 

For more inputs about revolution and Islam I would refer you to this site where you will find all tha answers.

http://www.evolutiondeceit.com

Regards

Shaheen



Posted By: Shams Zaman
Date Posted: 11 April 2005 at 7:44am

This is to reply all who have been generous to offer comments on the topic. I had initially said we live in the world of logic and rationale but didn’t offer all the scientific logics because the document would have been too lengthy. As few readers have correctly pointed out. However I would justify as follow.

FOR MUSLIM BROTHERS

As for what Bible (Old Testament) says about Human life, my exact calculations may have gone wrong. However, these were based as follow:

From Adam to Noah = 1056 years, Noah age 950 years, Noah to Abraham = 381 years and Ishaq was born once Abraham was 100. From Jacob to Exodus it counts to   730 years. (Genesis- Ch,5 verse1-32, Ch11, verse10-32, Ch21, verse6, Ch47, verse 28, Ch50, verse 26 and Exodus- Ch 12, verse 37-41). Therefore this total comes to 3117 years (lets round it to 3500). For the period after the exodus covered in Old or New Testament I have not read that. From here I count on history.

Jesus came approx 1500 years after Moses so it totals up to 5000 years. Add another 2000 years it comes to 7000 years. But as to why I would assume that Human Life span is not older than 15000 years, because Quran and Hadith (according to my reading) does not offer any estimates. However, some Muslim scholars who have offered Quranic explanations estimate it to be as such. Well it can’t be claimed for sure.  

However, according to an article published in Newsweek a couple of years ago it mentioned that as per Gospels life is not older than 10000 years. But now I can’t recall that article. As for Human fossil of 30000 B.C you can check it up to agree or disagree at: 

 http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040705/longevity.html   

 As to what Mr. Ahmed Joya has objected to the Juedo-Christian myths, sorry there is nothing to cheer as my source remains to be Quran, Sunnah and the Companions of Prophet (mpbuh) Sahabbah.

Jinns inhabitation:  

Narrated by Hazrat Abdullah bin Umer (RA), “2000 years before the birth of Adam Jinns were the inhabitants on earth but due to their bloodshed and fitna (anarchy), Allah sent angels who killed most of them while some took refuge on remote islands and forests.” Quoted by Hazrat Abu Jafar from Ibn-a- Ibe Hatem (RA) written in “The Narrations of Prophets” (Qasas-ul-Anbiya) by Hafiz Imam Ibn-a-Kaseer.  Also narrated by Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas (RA) real uncle of the Prophet (mpuh) in the same book.

Allah Provided Satan with Full Opportunity.   Narrated in Sahih Muslim and also compiled in Maskaat Volume 3 Chapter Creation of Adam, Hadith no 5457, Hazrat Anas(RA) narrated that, Holy Prophet said, “Once Allah created Adam’s body, He left it in the heaven without casting his sprit for a time of which He knows. Lucifer started circling around to see as what it is? On looking inside, he discovered it to be unsound.”

 

In my opinion its not always necessary that science and logic/ rationale would always go together. Like how animals can sense the natural disasters before hand? What is sprit? Where it rests? Why 30 C dose of Homeopathy works? How specific species evolved into Human? Who are angels? Etc, science has no answers.

So occasionally we will have to use both but sometimes one. If science says there is no God or it believes that what it has found is a fossil of a 40000 years old man, or Humans have evolved from monkeys. I will use my logic or rationale over science. There are numerous reasons due to which I don’t think that life may be as old as 40000 years.

And why the world is about to see its end, not only Quran and Ahadiths clearly foretells it but science also points to the same very direction. The global warming, green house effects, the on going conflicts and threat of nuclear war and melting of ice at the poles, water crisis and diminishing energy reserves etc are the indicators. Holy Prophet had warned that once war over gold (oil/ Black gold) will start the emergence of Anti-Christ or Dajjal will be imminent. There are numerous sites which can give you information regarding major and minor signs of Doomsday. Like:

www.wakeupmuslims.com  

 

FOR NON – MUSLIM BROTHERS.

Dear sister Laurie, I am not offering anyone to change his or her religion. I am presenting a logical picture for The Purpose of creation in the light of Islamic Teachings. If it appeals you or seems to be logical you can accept it and if it doesn’t appeal well we are free to make our choices.

As to how I can prove that Prophet Muhammad (MPBH) was the messenger of God. Well I don’t think I will be able to do that. I can only give it a try. Can you convince a Jew that Jesus (MPBH) was a messenger of God? He will use a blasphemous language, or if someone says as to prove how Jesus was raised up alive? Or how he gave life to the dead by the will of God? I can’t offer any proof but to say that these were the miracles and as God say so, I have no reason for defiance. He has created me and will also raise me alive on the Day of Judgement and he also gave me so much which I may not deserve owing to my abilities. So if you can spare sometime the best would be to download the required articles from:-

http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm

 

However, I can only give it a try.

(1)   Prophet Muhammad was not literate and he could not produce a book at his own.

(2)   He could not have written a book which contains warning notes for him as well.

(3)    How can he have written a book which contains no scientific error till to date and even contains instructions on cloning, Black Hole, Big Bang theories and even indicates towards the incident of 9/11.

(4)   How can he have written a book 1400 years ago of his own which challenges that not a single word of this book can be altered. And till to date it still stands by its challenge.

(5)   Can you name any book which is read so much and even is memorised word by word by more than 30 million Muslims around the world (according to careful estimates).

(6)   Can you name any person who has been so successful in religious, political and ethical form like of Prophet Muhammad? Michel Heart didn’t find a one and has named Prophet Muhammad first place, Albert Einstein second and Prophet Jesus third place in his book “The 100 – A study of Great people since ages.” Similarly Arnold Toynbee in his “Study of History” says that no one could deliver such a concise and detailed message on Human values and rights before Prophet Muhammad’s Last Sermon at Mecca. And there are numerous others as well like Prof. Montgomery Wyatt, Conston Vergil Gorego (Romania) etc.

SUFISM :  I have very little knowledge about Sufism. It is not for me because it requires a lot of sacrifice which I may not be able to offer. Secondly there is a lot more danger of Satan to ride you off the track as you sometimes have to experience some revelations from God. This sometimes may become difficult to contemplate correctly for everyone.

 FREE WILL:   Most of us say that Islam poses lot of restrictions. I always says which religion doesn’t? Like see for yourself the instructions contained in Torah or the Old Testament for Jews and Christians. Please read only two books Exodus chapter 18 – 40 and Leviticus Chapter 1 – 27. How much orders and instructions these contains. I always ask a question that what are the limits of freedom and always one would say these are not unlimited. Like if I say that I want to drive on the wrong side of the road because its my free will? Can I do that? Of course I can but then I will be in Jail. Can I place a loud speaker near my neighbour’s window? Yes at the cost of state punishment. Why because I am infringing the state laws. Whether I like it or not I will have to abide by them or face the consequences. I can enjoy my freedom till I don’t infringe with the rights of other. Similarly, Islam offers you free will till you don’t infringe the rights of God, your parents, your other fellow Muslims and the state. So freedom is always defined within the specified boundaries.

WHAT BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MUHAMMAD

In the Hebrew scripture Muhammad is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is “Muhammuddim”. The end letters IM is plural of respect majesty and grandeur. Minus "im" the name would be Muhamud translated as "altogether lovely" in the Authorised Version of the Bible or 'The Praised One' 'the one worthy of Praise' i.e. MUHUMMED! (P.B.U.H).

 At other place Bible foretells about a Prophet who will follow Moses:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deuteronomy 18:18

Well if you ask from Christians as to whom does this prophecy refer? Without the slightest hesitation Christians answer: "JESUS!" but "Why Jesus?... his name is not mentioned here.

So they will say that the most important words of this prophecy are(like unto thee), - LIKE YOU - like Moses and Jesus is like Moses because firstly Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a JEW; secondly, Moses was a PROPHET and Jesus was also a PROPHET - therefore Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses.

But if you ask them that if these are the only two criteria for discovering a candidate for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the criteria could fit any one of the following Biblical personages after Moses like Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist etc., because they were also ALL "Jews" as well as "Prophets". Why should we not apply this prophecy to any one of these prophets, and why only to Jesus?

My conclusions are that Jesus is most unlike Moses, and if I am wrong I would like you to correct me.

In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to Christians belief:- (1)  'Jesus is a god', but Moses is not god.

(2)    'Jesus died for the sins of the world', but Moses did not have to die for the sins of the world.

(3)     'Jesus went to hell for three days', but Moses did not have to go there.

(4)     Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a mother.   But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father.

(5)     "Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life.

(6)     "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural way.

(7)      "Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. While Jesus gained this status almost 200 years after his rising.

(8)    "Moses and Muhummed brought new laws and new regulations for their people.

(9)    "Moses and Muhummed were prophets as well as political leaders of their nations. As regards Jesus he brought no new laws, 'THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL. FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'(Mathew 5:17-18)

(10)Both Moses and Muhummed died natural deaths.

"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses!"    

May Allah guide us all to the truth.

Shams Zaman   Pakistan

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Posted By: icforumadmin
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 12:25pm

Post by Anne has been moved to a new topic "Veil" in the same forum:

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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 2:39pm

Hi Admin,

where is my post gone in reply to Shams Zaman's post. Though I see my new post in reply to Anne's question but where is the one in reply to Shams.



Posted By: icforumadmin
Date Posted: 15 April 2005 at 10:25pm

Salam AhmadJoyia,

As far as we know, we didn't anything except move anne's post and the replay for the post (yours). Please let us know what date you post just in case we accidently deleted it, we may able to recover from our backup database.

Thanks,

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