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Is male circumcision required

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Topic: Is male circumcision required
Posted By: abdnur
Subject: Is male circumcision required
Date Posted: 20 March 2005 at 11:32am

Now to a more serious/painfull subject

If one embraces islam as an adult is he riquired to circumcize or not?

Did the people during the life of the prophet when they became Muslim, did they circumcize? did the prophet ask/require them to? were they already circumcized, i.e. was it arab customs to circumcize their children?

I was told the prophet Abraham circumcized himself as an adult with an axe. Is that true? Wow, what an accuracy, having used an axe myself, I could never strike the same spot twice in a row!!

abdnur



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Posted By: Mustafaa
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 9:10am

Brother, I think you should ask this to other convert brothers. I don't know whether there are many here.

But I have heard that, astounded by mass conversions, sometimes Muslim scholars got fed up with this matter and declared, "okay, then you stay uncircumsized but never forget to have your children circumsized."



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There is no deity but Allah. Muhammad is the (last) Messenger of Allah.


Posted By: IslamicGirl
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 7:23am

abdnur,

I know it's compulsury for hygene purposes. here's a website u may find useful:  http://www.tolueislam.com/Bazm/Wadud/AW_food.htm - http://www.tolueislam.com/Bazm/Wadud/AW_food.htm .

There's other things on there u may find useful 2.

Salams



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 17 April 2005 at 7:45am

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 There are three bad experiences which i faced  in my life;the first one was my military obligation which i had realized that there were no doors at showers,the second one is eating a gum which i did not realize that there were ants on it and took to my mouth chewing it with an opinion that eating an eucalyptus gum is wonderful...of course the last one is my circumcision,i was eight and running in the house and a doctor who was carrying a lancet was also running behind me and i was at the third floor that no where to escape,they were 4 and i was 1;i was crying and they were laughing,i damned all of them...if a doctor is running behind you and saying that nothing will happen;trust me that he is a full liar!.

 I don't wonder if it is required or not;things happened to me and no way to turning back...



Posted By: IslamicGirl
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 2:20am

Hey all who are interested:  read this article on circumcision, this is a very interesting website it has the pro's and con's on circumcision. 

http://www.medicinenet.com/circumcision_the_medical_pros_and_cons/article.htm - http://www.medicinenet.com/circumcision_the_medical_pros_and _cons/article.htm

Personally I believe the pro's are higher the con's that's why it is compulsury in Islam to get circumcised for males. 



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Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 30 April 2005 at 7:26am
Perhaps circumcision is required so Muslim men can have some
understanding of the suffering of the Jewish people   

DavidC


Posted By: Mustafaa
Date Posted: 01 May 2005 at 6:03am

Originally posted by DavidC

Perhaps circumcision is required so Muslim men can have some
understanding of the suffering of the Jewish people   

DavidC

That's not funny, DavidC.

As far as I know, (male) circumcision is a tradition that we have inherited from Ibrahim (Abraham), spiritual father of all later believers.



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There is no deity but Allah. Muhammad is the (last) Messenger of Allah.


Posted By: IslamicGirl
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 6:26am

DavidC is very immature!

 



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*Islamic Girl*


Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 7:50am
I AM NOT IMMATURE!

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DavidC
(sorry, Mustafaa)


Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by IslamicGirl

DavidC is very immature!

 

 If he is immature then i am Donald Duck;David Clark is one of the most regarded persons in the board with his perception on the bridges between the two religion(Islam&Christianity)...there are no more David Clarks in the world;if we had the world could be more happy...Islamicgirl,your words offended and taken up seriously...David Clark reminds me Waraqah bin Naufal...Islamic girl,do you know about him?....who is he?,if you had known both of them;you should not talk like that...

AL-`ALAQ


Name

The Surah is so entitled after the word `alaq in the second verse.

Period of Revelation

This Surah has two parts: the first part consists of vv. 1-5, and the second of vv. 6-19. About the first part a great majority of the Islamic scholars are agreed that it forms the very first Revelation to be sent down to the Holy Prophet (upon whom be Allah's peace and blessings). In this regard, the Hadith from Hadrat Aishah, which Imam Ahmad, Bukhari, Muslim, and other traditionists have related with several chains of authorities, is one of the most authentic Ahadith on the subject. In it Hadrat Aishah has narrated the full story of the beginning of revelation as she herself heard it from the Holy Messenger of Allah. Besides, Ibn Abbas, Abu Musa al-Ashari and a group of the Companions also are reported to have stated that these were the very first verses of the Quran to be revealed to the Holy Prophet. The second part was sent down afterwards when the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) began to perform the prescribed Prayer in the precincts of the Kabah and Abu Jahl tried to prevent him from this with threats.

Beginning of Revelation

The traditionists have related on the strength of their respective authorities the story of the beginning of revelation from Imam Az- -Zuhri, who had it from Hadrat Urwah bin Zubair, who had it from Hadrat Aishah, his aunt. She states that revelations to the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) began in the form of true (according to other traditions, good) visions. Whichever vision he saw it seemed as though he saw it in broad daylight. Afterwards solitude became dear to him and he would go to the Cave of Hira to engage in worship there for several days and nights (Hadrat Aishah has used the word tahannuth, which Imam Zuhri has explained as ta'abbud: devotional exercises. This was some kind of worship which he performed, for until then he had not been taught the method of performing the Prayer by Allah). He would take provisions with him and stay there for several days, then would return to Hadrat Khadijah who would again provide for him for a few more days. One day when he was in the Cave of Hira, Revelation came down to him unexpectedly and the Angel said, to him: "Read". After this Hadrat Aishah reports the words of the Holy Prophet himself, to the effect, "I said: I cannot read! There upon the Angel took me and pressed me until I could bear it no more. Then he left me and said: Read. I said: I cannot read! He pressed me a second time until I could bear it no more. Then he left me and said: Read. I again said: I cannot read! He pressed me for the third time until I could bear it no more. Then he left me and said: Iqra bismi Rabbi kal- ladhi khalaqa: (Read in the name of your Lord Who created) till he reached ma lam ya lam (what he did not know)."Hadrat Aishah says: "Then the Holy Messenger (upon whom be peace) returned home to Hadrat Khadijah trembling with fear, and said to her: `Cover me, cover me', and he was covered. When terror left him, he said: `O Khadijah, what has happened to me?' Then he narrated to her whatever had happened, and said: `I fear for my life'. She said; `No never! Be of good cheer. By God, never will God debase you: you treat the kindred well, you speak the truth, (one tradition adds: you restore what is entrusted to you), you bear the burden of the helpless, you help the poor, you entertain the guests, and you cooperate in good works.' Then she took him to Waraqah bin Naufal, who was her cousin. He had become a Christian in pre- Islamic days, wrote the Gospel in Arabic and Hebrew, and had become very old and blind. Hadrat Khadijah said: `Brother, listen to the son of your brother.' Waraqah said to the Holy Prophet: `What have you seen, nephew?' The Holy Prophet described what he had seen. Waraqah said; `This is the same Namus (the Angel of Revelation) which Allah had sent down to Moses. Would that I were a young man during your Prophethood! Would that I were alive when your tribe would expel you!' The Holy Prophet said: `Will they expel me?' Waraqah said; `Yes, never has it so happened that a person brought what you have brought and was not treated as an enemy. If I live till then I would help you with all the power at my command.' But not very long after this Waraqah died."

This narrative is explicit that even until a moment before the coming Angel the Holy Messenger of Allah (upon whom be His peace) was without any expectation that he was going to be appointed a Prophet. Nothing to say of any such wish or expectation, he did not even have any idea that he would meet with such an experience. Coming down of the Revelation and appearing of the Angel face to face was an unexpected accident for him the first effect of which on him was precisely the same as could naturally be on a person meeting with such a tremendous experience, in the absence of any preparation. That is why when he proclaimed the message of Islam, the people of Makkah raised all sorts of objections, but no one said that they were already apprehending that he would make a claim, for he had been making preparations since long to become a Prophet.

From this narrative another thing which also becomes obvious is how pure was the Holy Prophet's life and how sublime was his character before Prophethood, Hadrat Khadijah was no young lady: she was 55 years old at the time this event took place and had been the Holy Prophet's life companion for 15 years. No weakness of the husband can remain hidden from the wife. She had during this long period of married life found him to be such a generous and noble man that when he told her of his experience in the Cave of Hira', she admitted without the least hesitation that it was indeed Allah's own Angel who had come to him with Revelation. Likewise, Waraqah bin Naufal also was an old inhabitant of Makkah, who had seen the Holy Prophet grow up from childhood. Particularly, for the past 15 years because of the close relationship he was even more intimately aware of his life, his Affairs and dealings. When he also heard of his experience, she did not regard it as an evil suggestion, but immediately said that it was the Namus who had descended on Moses (peace be upon him). This meant that even according to him the Holy Prophet was such a sublime person that there was nothing surprising in his being elevated to the office of Prophethood.

Occasion of Revelation of vv. 6-19

This second part of thee Surah was revealed when the Holy Messenger of Allah began to perform the Prayer in the Islamic way in the Ka'bahand Abu Jahl threatened and tried to prevent him from this. It so happened that after his appointment to Prophethood even before he could start preaching Islam openly, he began to perform the Prayer in the precincts of the Ka'bahin the way Allah taught him; and from this the Quraishfelt for the first time that he had adopted a new religion. The other people were watching it with curiosity, but Abu Jahl in his arrogance and pride threatened the Holy Prophet and forbade him to worship in that way in the Ka'bah. In this connection, quite a number of the Ahadith have been related from Hadarat Abdullah ibn Abbas and Hadrat Abu Huraira, which mention the foolish behaviour of Abu Jahl.

Hadrat Abu Huraira says that Abu Jahl asked the people of Quraish: "Does Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace and blessings) set his face on the ground before you?"When they replied in the affirmative, he said:"By Lat and Uzza, if I ever catch him in that act of worship, I would set my foot on his neck and rub his face in the dust."Then it so happened that he saw the Holy Messenger in that posture and came forward to set his foot on his neck, but suddenly turned back as if in a fright and being asked what was the matter, he said there was a ditch of fire and a terrible apparition between himself and Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace and blessings) and some wings. On hearing this the Holy Prophet remarked:"Had he come near me, the angels would have smitten and torn him to pieces." (Ahmad, Muslim, Nasai, Ibn Jarir, Ibn AbI Hatim, Ibn al-Mundhir, lbn Marduyah, Abu Nu'aim Isfahani, Baihaqi).

According to lbn Abbas, Abu Jahl said:"If I caught Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace and blessings) performing his Prayer by the Ka'bah, I would trample his neck down." When the Holy Prophet heard of it, he said: "If he acted so, the angels would seize him there and then?" (Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Nasai, Ibn Jarir, Abdur Razzaq, Abd bin Humaid, Ibn al- Mundhir, Ibn Marduyah).

According to another tradition from Ibn Abbas, the Holy Prophet was performing his Prayer at the Maqam Ibrahim. Abu Jahl passed that way and said: "O Muhammad, did I not forbid you this, and then he started to threaten him."In reply the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) rebuked him severely. There upon he said:"O Muhammad, on what strength do you rebuke me? By God, my followers in this valley far exceed yours in number." (Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Nasai, Ibn Jarir, lbn Abi Shaibah, Ibn al-Mundhir, Tabarani, Ibn Marduyah).

Because of these very incidents the portion of this Surah beginning with Kalla inn al-insana la yat gha was sent down. Naturally the place of this part should be the same as assigned to it in this Surah of the Quran, for after the coming down of the first Revelation the Holy Prophet had given expression to Islam first of all by the act of Prayer, and his conflict with the pagans.

 

 



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Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 02 May 2005 at 12:35pm
Islamic Girl and Mustafaa are right, Suleyman. I am often much too quick
to make a joke about something that is serious to others.

Their reproach and the friendship of you all are well received on this end.

DavidC


Posted By: Mustafaa
Date Posted: 03 May 2005 at 4:05am

I didn't mean to reproach you, DavidC. Also, because I have known you for a long time, I know that you are far from being immature.

But in my opinion, your joke was not a good one at all.



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There is no deity but Allah. Muhammad is the (last) Messenger of Allah.


Posted By: IslamicGirl
Date Posted: 04 May 2005 at 2:52am

Suleyman GET A LIFE.. NO ONE SITS THERE BAGGING PEOPLE LIKE THAT!

Use ur time more wisely!



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 04 May 2005 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by IslamicGirl

Suleyman GET A LIFE.. NO ONE SITS THERE BAGGING PEOPLE LIKE THAT!

Use ur time more wisely!

 Excellencies,your orders are honor for me...i'll do it...getting a life?;yes i am planning to buy a puppy,will it enough for you excellencies?



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Posted By: IslamicGirl
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 7:33am
Napark, their spit isn't clean, no puppy..


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*Islamic Girl*


Posted By: IslamicGirl
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 7:34am
Suleyman, I didn't understand ur question... ur english is very poor by the way)

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Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 9:22am

Islamicgirl,

This may be an english language board, but the members are from all over the world.  I think the ones whose mother tongue is not english do very, very well!  When you can read and write Turkish (I appologize if that is not what your language is called Suleyman  ), as well as Suleyman can read and write english, then you might be in a position to criticize or tease about it.

I hope you are not taking this badly , I only want to point out that we are very privileged to have so many international members here.  They make this forum so very interesting and colourful.  I for one, enjoy deciphering what some of the posts mean.  Really, even the so called english writers, don't do so well in spelling or grammar at times, so what?  We are all here to learn from each other, right?

Let's please try to be understanding and tolerant of each other .

Peace, ummziba.



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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 05 May 2005 at 9:27am

Originally posted by IslamicGirl

Suleyman, I didn't understand ur question... ur english is very poor by the way)

 I don't mind if my english is good or bad..i prefer to be an dumb and  neither speaking Turkish nor English than breaking a heart...Wa Salaam...

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Jazak Allah Khair Sister Ummziba for your words giving me moral;i wish Allah will payback you at the judgment day,your difference on the issue proves us absorbing islam is so much important for taking the benefits of Allah as you made with your comments turning the negative to the positive,Jazak Allah Khair...



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Posted By: LiberalMuslim
Date Posted: 31 July 2009 at 10:13pm
I know one thing. We muslims love to argue and cause drama over EVERYTHING.



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