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Forum Name: Islamic INTRAfaith Dialogue
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Posted By: rememberallah
Date Posted: 02 December 2010 at 7:32am
(57:16)- “Has the time not come when the faithful’s heart in all humility should engage in remembrance of Allah and of the revelation of truth, so that they should not become like those who were given the book before them.”

And a Hadith indicates, we Muslims will go one step further than people of book in associating partners with God;
“They will be 72 sects and you will have 73 sects, only one right”
For it comes in, (30:31) - “Do not be of those who associate partners with God, those who are divisive in their religion and form themselves into sects.”
There is no difference between you and idol worshippers from the eyes of Quran and Prophet. You will be confused in this world by knowing this and astonished in the next, for that is the way of God with Deniers of Truth.
(50:1-5)- “Qaf, By the Glorious Quran, Indeed they are astonished… So these Deniers of truth… are in a state of confusion.”

This is the way of Allah and you will never find a change in the way of Allah. You might be dead sure, that it is your sect that will go to paradise as every sect is dead sure of, but why do you take chances?

Tell me, If I take a coin and say “if you choose heads & it comes you will be given a bungalow, if tails come your house will be taken; tell me shall I toss?” What will you do, will you risk it? Risk it well knowing there is another way that you refrain from the toss and keep what you have. You will go crazy and won’t be able to decide!! You will leave it all together and play safe that is your nature.
Now we all know a coin has 2 sides and probability of winning is 1/2. Now imagine if I somehow make 73 sides of a coin instead of 2 and then ask to select 1 on which you get a bungalow and in rest 72 I will take your house, will you enter such a thing? You will go crazy, No infact you will call me crazy, and you’ll say; “Do you take us to be fools”.

Indeed 99.99% of Muslims today are such fools for they take up one sect or the other!! O Muslims refrain from ascribing any sect to yourself, shun it, If you still not refrain from it God will say; “Didn’t I command you do not Gamble?”
I tell you truly that one sect, which will go to paradise out of 73, will be that which won’t know that they are a sect, who will hate sectarianism and this will be the characteristic of that sect. Their characteristic will be that they won’t be a sect, they would not gamble in casinos like Gamblers, nor will they gamble in their hearts like Muslims. They will be individuals in their eyes, but a blessed group in the God’s and the prophets eyes.
May Allah guide us and protect us from associating partners with God.

The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.

Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 04 December 2010 at 11:52am
Assalamu alaikum.

Yes! It is indeed disheartening. It is like the attempt of the holy Apostle from preventing a moth from the burning fire! Yet despite his attempt it got burnt!
Rememebrallah, the Muslims understand Iradatul Kawniyya diniyy more than Iradatul shar'iyya diniyya.
Yes, indeed they are heedless of the warning, "And incline not toward those who do wrong, let the Fire should touch you, and you have no protectors other than Allah, nor would you be helped."

Posted By: rememberallah
Date Posted: 08 December 2010 at 12:33am
valaikum salam
friendship i have not studied in a religous school, so please don't use such terminology "iradatul kawniyya" etc. i dont understand and cant participate otherwise.
truly the verse you have given will be fulfilled on us muslims.

The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.

Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 06 January 2011 at 9:26am
Assalamu alaika rememberallah.

Iradatul Kawniyya Diniyya means the absolute control of Allah on his creations.

Posted By: rememberallah
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 10:57pm
i think the problem lies in not being on God's cause, for 29:69 says "as for those who strive in our cause we will certainly guide them to our paths" we muslims are not guided as we have left the cause and made islamic shariah, shariah of satan n not shariah of God by following the unclear verses {3:7}, n being misguided {2:26}, as we are not any more muttakee for whom is guidence n not misguidence in kuran{2:2}, for muttakee word is used by God only n only for abel, who said "even if you try to kill me i shall not do the same to you" {5:27}, by following unclear verses over this clear verse we even cut hands of someone who has stolen from us.....while the clear verse shows muttakee only has love even for his murderer......abel said he desires hell for his brother but he was using his wisdom as asked in {16:126-128} to get cain to paradise, sister n i had a fight one day n she took my favourite toy n threatened to throw it, i said to her, "i was about to throw the toy away myself you can do my work", she thought for a moment n kept it back saying "why should i do your work"......truly abel didnt want hell for cain but paradise....the truly God conscious are concerned about ncreasing score of God n not satan, the score of paradise where God wants everyone n not hell where satan wants everyone............God concsious fight for God like prophet joseph {pbuh}, they say he was too timid.....ask satan or have the eyes of God n then will you know, what a warrior he was. 
shariah is not in hands of muttaees but non muttakees, who read kuran n draw misguidence....."God guides whom he wills and leaves astray whom he wills" n God has well told his will in {29:69} "as for those who strive in our cause we will certainly guide them on our paths", n not the other path {90:10-11} which is in kuran itself, the path of satan.....was not prophet Muhammad {pbuh} offered alchohol as well as milk at miraj? is not asking one to kill ones child work of satan n yet God asked abraham {pbuh} to kill his son? is not one who teaches black magic doing evil n yet was not it angels harut n marut sent by God to teach it? was not cutting off of opposite hands n feet n crucifying an act of pharoah while it is God who asks the same in {5:33}? O muslims O muslims you dont have the eyes of abraham who fell in prostration for those whom God himself decided to destroy, you dont have the eyes of joseph who went to jail to save the women who tried to rape him from God's wrath. O muslims you dont have the eyes of prophets and draw misguiodence n not guidence from kuran.
there are so many things you need to know but you are not fit to be told. when the prophecised people come they will guide you to everything.
become muttakee...strive for God's cause n you will be shown like i was shown....our God is merciful God but you dont understand.

The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.

Posted By: ehsanshakhi
Date Posted: 19 January 2011 at 2:52am
Assalamo Alaikum,
Good thinking. I agree sectarializm is the problem. Although, there is clear message from Allah (SWT) " Hold to the rope of God and don't make sects". Ultimately, we have to be focussed towards Quran.

Posted By: rememberallah
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 12:43pm
brother sectarianism is not just a is shirk can you be a muslim if you do shirk?? see quran 30:31 sects=shirk 

The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.

Posted By: Muslim-
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 8:42am
So when you claim 99.99% of Muslims are misguided, doesnt that make you a sect of your own?

Whats correct is pure Islam, from authentic sources, nothing made up.. no innovations.

Whoever deviates from this is the one who creates a sect.

Sectarianism isnt about labels. Its about beliefs. Calling yourself "Just Muslim" but believing that Fard Muhammad is God or Elijah Muhammad is the messenger, isnt Islam at all. So labels dont matter, its the beliefs that do. (Aqeedah / creed )

The pure Islam of the companions and salaf (pious predecessors) is whats pure.. anything made up after that is a misguided sect.

As for gambling, this is like considering all beliefs just as equal and convincing. This is not true. A Shia who curses companions of the prophet pbuh and slander his wife, and worship graves dont have an arguement as strong as those who follow the way of the salaf and never call unto anyone but Allah.

Posted By: rememberallah
Date Posted: 13 September 2011 at 11:14am
@muslim - no it doesnt make one a sect, sect is becoming a group, giving it a name that Allah has not given, muslims too are a group, but those who say they are muslims and yet take names of sects are according to Fatwa of Allah and not me associating partners with Allah........
yes what correct is pure islam, and the purest source of Islam is Quran....the article above proves that we are doing opposite of what Quran says.
Yes sectarianinsm is about who overlooks and gives himself another label which Allah has not given or permitted is not pure.....his beliefs can never be pure no matter how much he thinks, if he thinks so it is only his wishful thinking.
Yes brother anything made up after that is a misguided sect,,,,,,,read again.....anything made up after them is a misguided sect.
No if a shia haves alchohol it is wrong, if a sunni has it is wrong and if anyoine has it is the examople of gambling doesnt mean all beliefes as just and equal, it is pointing out at one particular problem.....that problem is a bigger problem than cursing there a bigger sin than shirk.....
why are you trying to take the attention away from shirk into sectarianism??
peace be on you

The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.

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