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Paper or canvas? Banning plastic bags

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Topic: Paper or canvas? Banning plastic bags
Posted By: NuraB
Subject: Paper or canvas? Banning plastic bags
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 10:52am
Salam all

Here in the U.S. we're all familiar with the question presented by the check-out clerk: Paper or Plastic? Hopefully in the near future the use of plastic bags will be phased out and the choice will be: Paper or Canvas?

Plastic (including plastic bags)is more prevalent in our oceans than plankton. Plastic bags choke and kill marine wildlife. They not only clutter our oceans but our streets as well.

China, Australia and countries in Africa and Europe have curbed the use plastic bags by imposing fees for using the bags or banning the bags entirely. The U.S. however is sadly behind the times in implementing a nation wide ban on plastic bags. Individual cities have bans in effect but there is no one state that has a ban implemented.

California was close to passing a bill that would ban plastic shopping bags and charge a fee for the use of paper bags, but due to low votes and last minute lobbying the bill failed.

Many stores have promotions that give the bags away or sell them for a low price. Some stores like Target refund 5 cents off your shopping bill each time a customer uses a canvas bag.

As individuals we can reduce pollution in our oceans and trash in our streets by using cloth or canvas bags when shopping.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 11:48am -

Posted By: PerryP
Date Posted: 01 November 2010 at 8:22pm
Easiest would be the European solution: Charge customers 10 cent per bag. That's enough to get people to bring their own bags.

Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 01 November 2010 at 9:30pm


I like charging customer for the plastic bag. Hopefuly thy will consider to use reusable bag.

The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full"
"1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"

Posted By: Armen818
Date Posted: 01 November 2010 at 10:43pm
When I was living in Spain, I found that in virtually all the supermarkets, they charged like 10-20 cents per bag...and we had to bag it ourselves. It did not discourage me from buying their bags.

If you want to really make people bring their own're going to have to raise the price or inconvenience of using plastic bags...or give some rewards. The sting is not enough - if you want to go that route.

Posted By: NuraB
Date Posted: 03 November 2010 at 8:45am
Salam/peace all

Perry,  Br. Semar, I agree the European solution would work well, charging a fee but it's discouraging how few cities have implemented a bag ban here in the states.

So far it's up to the individual conscience to remember/care enough to bring your own canvas bag. Armen818, you're right, individual conscience is not enough. There needs to be a greater incentive or penalty to encourage people to comply.

In theory "cold turkey" would be the best route but getting every store and shop to comply would be a monumental task. Furthermore, due to our dependence on plastic bags most consumers would be really peeved. 

Time and patience will bring a solution (hopefully....)


Posted By: LizzyE
Date Posted: 06 November 2010 at 10:31am
I love the idea of charging a premium for plastic bags.  Or, just go back to paper and charge for that. 

We should also somehow go the same route for plastic water bottles.  Wherever you can buy water per bottle, like in a gas station.  I would like to see some kind of water dispenser that charges for you to fill your own bottle.  Also, more widespread recycling containers for plastic bottles.

Posted By: NuraB
Date Posted: 07 November 2010 at 3:55pm
Hi, LizzyE

I like the way you thinkWink. I agree that the ideal option would be to reduce the consumption of water in plastic bottles and refill instead.

Here in California there are water vending machines to refill gallon sized containers.  It would be great to have the water dispensed in smaller increments. 


Posted By: greytdogz
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 3:23pm
I try to avoid using plastic and paper. I carry reusable, washable bags in my car and take them into the store with me to use rather than what the store has to offer.

If I have no choice, I would rather use paper as it is recyclable.

Posted By: mistyblue0510
Date Posted: 13 November 2010 at 9:20pm

 Great forum!!! Thanks for the information guys. Now I know what to do when I encounter things like this.

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