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Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?

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Topic: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Posted By: semar
Subject: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Date Posted: 18 March 2010 at 3:16pm
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Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?

Scholar Philip Jenkins argues that scriptures in the Quran are less brutal than those in the Bible. In his new book, "Jesus Wars," Jenkins points out that violence in the Quran is mostly defensive, but in the Bible, it is often a method of genocide.

As the hijackers boarded the airplanes on Sept. 11, 2001, they had a lot on their minds. And if they were following instructions, one of those things was the Quran.

In preparation for the suicide attack, their handlers had told them to meditate on two chapters of the Quran in which God tells Muslims to "cast terror into the hearts of unbelievers."

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them," Allah instructs the Prophet Muhammad (Quran, 9:5). He continues: "Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites! ... Hell shall be their home, an evil fate."

When Osama bin Laden declared war on the West in 1996, he cited the Quran's command to "strike off" the heads of unbelievers. More recently, U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan lectured his colleagues about jihad, or "holy war," and the Quran's exhortation to fight unbelievers and bring them low. Hasan is accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, last year.

Given this violent legacy, religion historian Philip Jenkins decided to compare the brutality quotient of the Quran and the Bible.

Defense Vs. Total Annihilation

"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.

Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: Jesus Wars and Dark Passages — books that haven't yet been published but are already drawing controversy.

Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.

"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed.

'Holy Amnesia'

All this begs the question: If the Bible is so violent, why isn't Christianity or Judaism?

"What happens in all religions as they grow and mature and expand, they go through a process of forgetting of the original violence, and I call this a process of holy amnesia," Jenkins says.

They make the violence symbolic: Wiping out the enemy becomes wiping out one's own sins. Jenkins says that until recently, Islam had the same sort of holy amnesia, and many Muslims interpreted jihad, for example, as an internal struggle, not physical warfare.

Andrew Bostom calls this analysis "preposterous." Bostom, editor of The Legacy of Jihad, says there's a major difference between the Bible, which describes the destruction of an enemy at a point in time, and the Quran, which urges an ongoing struggle to defeat unbelievers.

"It's an aggressive doctrine," he says. "The idea is to impose Islamic law on the globe."

Take suicide attacks, he says — a tactic that Muslim radicals have used to great effect in the U.S., Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East. It's true that suicide from depression is forbidden in Islam — but Bostom says the Quran and the Hadith, or the sayings of Muhammad, do allow self-destruction for religious reasons.

"The notion of jihad martyrdom is extolled in the Quran, Quran verse 9:1-11. And then in the Hadith, it's even more explicit. This is the highest form of jihad — to kill and to be killed in acts of jihad."

'Out Of Context'

That may be the popular notion of jihad, says Waleed El-Ansary, but it's the wrong one. El-Ansary, who teaches Islamic studies at the University of South Carolina, says the Quran explicitly condemns religious aggression and the killing of civilians. And it makes the distinction between jihad — legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement — and irjaf, or terrorism.

"All of those types of incidences — [Sept. 11], Maj. Nidal Hasan and so forth — those are all examples of irjaf, not jihad," he says. According to the Quran, he says, those who practice irjaf "are going to hell."

So what's going on here? After all, we all have images of Muslim radicals flying planes into buildings, shooting up soldiers at Fort Hood, trying to detonate a bomb on an airplane on Christmas Day. How to reconcile a peaceful Quran with these violent acts?

El-Ansary says that in the past 30 years, there's been a perfect storm that has created a violent strain of Islam. The first is political: frustration at Western intervention in the Muslim world. The second is intellectual: the rise of Wahhabi Islam, a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam subscribed to by Osama bin Laden. El-Ansary says fundamentalists have distorted Islam for political purposes.

"Basically what they do is they take verses out of context and then use that to justify these egregious actions," he says.

El-Ansary says we are seeing more religious violence from Muslims now because the Islamic world is far more religious than is the West. Still, Jenkins says Judeo-Christian cultures shouldn't be smug. The Bible has plenty of violence.

"The scriptures are still there, dormant, but not dead," he says, "and they can be resurrected at any time. Witness the white supremacists who cite the murderous Phineas when calling for racial purity, or an anti-abortion activist when shooting a doctor who performs abortions.

In the end, the scholars can agree on one thing: The DNA of early Judaism, Christianity and Islam code for a lot of violence. Whether they can evolve out of it is another thing altogether. Copyright 2010 National Public Radio. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.




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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 March 2010 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by semar

http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/03/18/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran/ - http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/03/18/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran/
 
Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?

Scholar Philip Jenkins argues that scriptures in the Quran are less brutal than those in the Bible. In his new book, "Jesus Wars," Jenkins points out that violence in the Quran is mostly defensive, but in the Bible, it is often a method of genocide.

Peace be unto all!

Philip Jerkins is sure correct, because according to the bible in Jesus second coming he will Murder people at will.  

This is what it says in his second coming according to the bible:

“And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true.  And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:11-12&version=9 - )

 He would be called faithful and true, he would judge and make war in righteousness, he would support by many kings: his head were many crowns and only he knew how to destroy the BEAST: he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And the he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (V.13)

 He will judge and make war in righteousness for the Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev.19:14)

The armies which is in Heaven that upon white horses are those who were chosen, and the white horses are the bird that flies in midst of heaven:

And he said unto me, Write, Bless are THEY which are called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb. And he said unto me, These are the true saying of God. (Rev19:9)

 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS that flies in the midst of heaven come and gather yourself together unto the SUPPER of the Great God; that you may EAT the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Rev.1917-18)

We have the saint which is the armies and the fowls that fly in midst of heaven (that is mid air); they are called unto the MARRIGE SUPPER to eat of those people. Which fowls or bird that flies in midst (Air) heaven can eat those people, feather bird or iron bird? That is war with fowls that flies (plane in the sky)! Isn’t that terrorism? Think about it, if in this modern day we see a man with a group of people flying plane and killing people what would you call him, a holy man or a terrorist? If you say A TERRORIST!!! That means the second coming of Jesus (S) according to the bible Jesus (S) would be LABELE AS A TERRORIST.

But the bible labels Him as a man of JEHAD (struggle against evil government):

 “…behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true.  And in righteousness he doth judge and make war…” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:11-12&version=9 - )

If he claimed to have wage war in righteousness what would you call that “JEHAD OR TERRIORISM?” That question is for Christians!

This is what the bible says:

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smith the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (V.15)

 He shall use war of words to motivate the believers to smith the nations: The evil Government that involve prostitutions, alcohols and all evil (THE MOTHER OF HERLOTS. He shall treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. How would he do that? I have already explained above; and that is at the “MARRIGE SUPPER!” Imagine the bible is saying Jesus (S) and his followers will fly plain and kill people and the God of the bible describes it as “SUPPER OF THE GREAT GOD and THE WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD”

tnc

 

 
 


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Posted By: Pati
Date Posted: 04 April 2010 at 10:31am
Hi Semar,
 
I think that all depends on the mind of the reader, and the intention of the reading. I mean, if I am a Muslim who doesn't see anything good in the Christian Faith, and I read the Bible, I will find lot of "violence", and lot of bad things.
 
And opposite, if I am a Christian who doesn't see anything good in the Islamic Faith, I will not be able to find anything good in Quran, opposite, I will see lot of bad things.
 
If your mind is ready to find bad things in what you read, you surely do.
 
I prefer to read every text I take with an opened mind, and not judging the whole text after finding the first idea I disagree with.
 
I read the Bible and I found it beautiful. I read the Quran, and I find it beautiful too. Where is the point to look for the bad things? I don't understand it.
 
Regards
Patricia


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No God wants the killing, but the peace.
The weapons are carried by people, not by religions.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 04 April 2010 at 7:27pm
After knowing both, the Quran and the Bible, I would say, there is no comparison since what is portrayed by anti-Islamic media as violence in the Quran is not really so, rather out of context of what is a just punishment, for example, for those who cause mischief on the earth or murder. Punishing them so they don't commit these crimes again is justice and not violence. To the contrary, many Biblical passages clearly cross the line where supposedly under God's command innocent people including infants, animals and trees to be utterly destroyed.
Thus, it is the Bible that is violent, while the Quran protects innocent life, and permits taking of a life only through the way of justice, as in a 'life for a life' situation, or to stop those who spread mischief.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 04 April 2010 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by Pati

Hi Semar,
 
I think that all depends on the mind of the reader, and the intention of the reading. I mean, if I am a Muslim who doesn't see anything good in the Christian Faith, and I read the Bible, I will find lot of "violence", and lot of bad things.
 
And opposite, if I am a Christian who doesn't see anything good in the Islamic Faith, I will not be able to find anything good in Quran, opposite, I will see lot of bad things.
 
If your mind is ready to find bad things in what you read, you surely do.
 
I prefer to read every text I take with an opened mind, and not judging the whole text after finding the first idea I disagree with.
 
I read the Bible and I found it beautiful. I read the Quran, and I find it beautiful too. Where is the point to look for the bad things? I don't understand it.
 
Regards
Patricia
Thanks Paty. I agree with you. I post this just to show that any scripture can be considered preaching violence if it's interpreted out of context.

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Salam/Peace,
Semar
The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full"
"1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 05 April 2010 at 3:11am
Salams,
Please excuse me if I am wrong, and correct nicely as necessary :) Thanks.

When we read in the Bible, are not these instructions to murder revealed to the Prophets of the time. And likewise with the Qu'ran..did ALlah not tell Muhammed(pbuh) to kill in all righteousness? If this is the case, and because we have no Prophets now..then how can current events be justified in the sake of religion?



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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 05 April 2010 at 6:48pm
Martha,
the main purpose God sent prophets was to guide mankind and to deliver the Word of God to them, so they have it as a guide with them.
What we are talking about above is that some of the prophets that are mentioned in the Bible are quoted to have received command from God to kill and destroy those who worship other gods. The commands for such mass killings are so brutal so not leave anything alive, old, young, children, even babies. But that's not all, to destroy town, buy burning them to the ground, killing livestock, trees, crops and so on.
God's commands in the Quran for taking a life are very different, for righteous and just reasons like I mentioned in my previous post, for justice in the case of a murder or for those who make mischief etc.
Each prophet's teaching were to cover all the people until God sent another one. For our times, the commands of God were sent through the seal of the prophets, prophet Mohammed (pbuh) these commands or the Quran is valid through the end of times and its commands apply to all.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 06 April 2010 at 7:37am
Salams honeto,

I agree with some of your post, but not all.
My point is that God told prophets what to do..ok, that included killing..I assume for the cause of righteousness.

What is a concern for me in current times is that people do not have a prophet and decide themselves( or listen to extremists) and then we have these bloodbaths. I don't agree that people should just go around killing others, but if what you say is right then I am justified to kill whoever I want to if I say the Quran allows me to do that because it's considered just?



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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 06 April 2010 at 8:12am
< ="Content-" content="text/; charset=utf-8">< name="ProgId" content="Word.">< name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12">< name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><> What is a concern for me in current times is that people do not have a prophet and decide themselves( or listen to extremists) and then we have these bloodbaths. I don't agree that people should just go around killing others, but if what you say is right then I am justified to kill whoever I want to if I say the Quran allows me to do that because it's considered just?

Ahh, but one had better be REAL careful in their decision. The justifications are actually really limited. I think most killing has little, if nothing to do with religion...


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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 06 April 2010 at 8:58am
Yes, most killing has little to do with religion. Which is why people's justifications don;t make sense. And why we all must be careful who to trust maybe?

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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 12 April 2010 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by martha

Salams honeto,

I agree with some of your post, but not all.
My point is that God told prophets what to do..ok, that included killing..I assume for the cause of righteousness.

What is a concern for me in current times is that people do not have a prophet and decide themselves( or listen to extremists) and then we have these bloodbaths. I don't agree that people should just go around killing others, but if what you say is right then I am justified to kill whoever I want to if I say the Quran allows me to do that because it's considered just?



Martha,
what I wanted to clear was two things:
First, what I am saying is that the Biblical commands of killings and destruction cannot be from God. Because one of God's attributes is the Just. God, in my belief will not command anyone to kill innocent people, old, children, babies, even trees? as supposedly commanded in the Bible.
The commands to fight and eliminate those who cause mischief is a just command. The Quran is clear that when those who are fighting you stop their aggression, you stop as well. And take a life only through the way of justice.
Second, I am going to present to you some facts here and before I do that, I want to be clear that anyone who kills or orders to kill innocent lives is wrong and must be condemned and held responsible for their act. Justice should prevail.  Apart from what is on the air, the fact is that in the last three decades alone, its the Muslims that had been the victims. Bosnia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq are just some examples. Many MILLION Muslims have been killed by what would easily qualify as Christian armies right in front of our eyes with deceptions, in the name of freedom, democracy and so on. The bottom line, the truth is replaced with a staged and well crafted word game to keep people like you to not see the truth and reality so this massacre to continue. 

Hasan



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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 20 April 2010 at 1:37am
Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by martha

Salams honeto,

I agree with some of your post, but not all.
My point is that God told prophets what to do..ok, that included killing..I assume for the cause of righteousness.

What is a concern for me in current times is that people do not have a prophet and decide themselves( or listen to extremists) and then we have these bloodbaths. I don't agree that people should just go around killing others, but if what you say is right then I am justified to kill whoever I want to if I say the Quran allows me to do that because it's considered just?



Martha,
what I wanted to clear was two things:
First, what I am saying is that the Biblical commands of killings and destruction cannot be from God. Because one of God's attributes is the Just. God, in my belief will not command anyone to kill innocent people, old, children, babies, even trees? as supposedly commanded in the Bible.
The commands to fight and eliminate those who cause mischief is a just command. The Quran is clear that when those who are fighting you stop their aggression, you stop as well. And take a life only through the way of justice.
Second, I am going to present to you some facts here and before I do that, I want to be clear that anyone who kills or orders to kill innocent lives is wrong and must be condemned and held responsible for their act. Justice should prevail.  Apart from what is on the air, the fact is that in the last three decades alone, its the Muslims that had been the victims. Bosnia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq are just some examples. Many MILLION Muslims have been killed by what would easily qualify as Christian armies right in front of our eyes with deceptions, in the name of freedom, democracy and so on. The bottom line, the truth is replaced with a staged and well crafted word game to keep people like you to not see the truth and reality so this massacre to continue. 

Hasan

 
 
Salaam brother Hasan!
 

Just a clip of the old news:

Link: http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm - The Despoiling Of America

How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State

Clip:

The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America

 It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it. http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn1 - - [2] On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.

 

Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church.

 

Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.

 

As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…” http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn3 -  George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done:

“One ought not to say to those whom one wants to kill, ‘Give me your votes, because your votes will enable me to kill you and I want to kill you,’ but merely, ‘Give me your votes,’ for once you have the power of the votes in your hand, you can satisfy your desire.” http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn4 - Notwithstanding the advice, the President’s foreign policy revealed a flair for saber rattling. He warned the world that “nations are either with us or they’re against us!” His speeches, often containing allusions to biblical passages, were spoken with the certainty of a man who holds the authority of God’s wrath on earth, for he not only challenged the evil nations of the world, singling out Iraq, Syria, Iran, and North Korea as the “axis of evil,” but he wielded the sword of punishment and the sword of revenge against his own people: the American poor and the middle class who according to the religious right have earned God’s wrath by their licentiousness and undisciplined lives.

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And he also has his flock to help him: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11065.htm - American Christian Fundamentalist Leader Calls For Global War ),

http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell73.html -
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19533.htm - -
 
 
link: Destroy Islam clip:

By David Corn

13/03/08 " http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html - Mother Jones " -- -- Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

tnc



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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 5:45pm
Salam TNC,
thanks for the clips.
Every act shows the intention behind. Doesn't matter how it is portrayed.
Some times you think, may be not knowing was better, but how can you look away from reality when it is revealed to you?
It looks as if Hitler and his evil forces are born again, only this time much bigger and more violent, not to mention under the cover of a savior to this world.
Hasan


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 27 April 2010 at 12:13am
Salaam!
 
They don't teach Christians the truth, George Bush is there leader as clearly stated in his apointment to office; he is head of the "Christian colation". That is the unifing Christian's Churches body.
 
salaam!


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Date Posted: 22 October 2013 at 10:41am
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Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 05 November 2013 at 2:26pm
Take a look for yourself
Have you Ever Notice how often Christian God surpasses his general rule of An Eye For An Eye for Over-kill ? Jesus says to Kill anyone who Curses their Parents , Reaffirms Moses , Who spoke for God . Matthew 15 ; 4 , States And I Quote ; For God Commanded , saying , Honor thy Father and Mother and , he that Curseth Father or Mother Let Him Die The Death .
 
Jesus Kills A Fig Tree , Matthew 21 ; 18 - 19 , States And I Quote ; Now in the morning as he returned into the city , he Hungered .  Verse 19 . And when he saw a A Fig Tree  in the way , he came to it , and found nothing thereon , but leaves only , and said unto it , Let No Fruit Grow  on thee henceforward forever . And presently the Fig Tree Withered Away .  Also Refer To Mark 11 ; 12 - 14 , 20 , States And I Quote ;  And on the morrow , when they were come from Bethany  , he was Hungry . Verse 13 . And seeing a Fig Tree  afar off might find anything thereon ; and when he came to it , he found nothing but leaves for the Time  of Fig  was not yet . Verse 14 . And Jesus and his Disciples  heard it . Verse 20 . And in the morning , as they passed by , they saw the Fig Tree  dried up from the roots .  [ Note is this the action of a sane man ? ]
 
Jesus on Sexual Immorality , Adultery , and Child Abuse , Revelation 2 ; 20 - 23 , States And I Quote ; Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee , because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel which called herself a Prophetess To Teach  and to seduce my Servants  to commit fornication , and to eat things sacrificed unto idols . Verse 21 . And I gave her Space  to Repent of her fornication ; and she repented not . Verse 22 . Behold , I will cast her into a bed , and them that commit Adultery with her into great Tribulation ,  except they repent of their Deeds .
Verse 23 . And I will Kill Her Children With Death  ; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the Reins and Hearts and I will give unto every one of you according to your Works .
 
( 1 ) . Capital Punishment Crimes ; - Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests . Deuteronomy 17 ; 12 ,  States And I Quote ; And the man that will do Presumptuously  and Will Not Hearken  unto the Priest that standeth to Minister  there before the Lord  thy God  or unto the judge , even that Man Shall Die ;  and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel .
 
Kill Witches ;-  Exodus 22 ; 18 , States And I Quote ; Thou Shalt  not Suffer Witch  to Live .
 
Kill Homosexuals ; -  Leviticus 20 ; 13 , States And I Quote ; If a man also Lie  with Man Kind
as he Lieth  with a Woman both of them have Committed  an Abomination  they shall surely be put to Death ; their blood shall be upon them .
 
Kill Fortunetellers ; -   Leviticus 20 ;27 ,  States And I Quote ; A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit , or that is a Wizard  , shall surely be Put To Death ; they shall Stone Them With Stones ;  their blood shall be upon them .
 
Death For Hitting Dad ; - Exidus 21 ; 15 , States And I Quote ;  And He That Smiteth his Father  or his Mother  shall be surely Put To Death .
 
( 1 ) . Death For Cursing Parents ; - Proverbs 20 ; 20 , States And I Quote ; Whoso Curseth  his Father  or his Mother  his Lamp  shall be put put in obscure Darkness .
( 2 ) .  Leviticus 20 ; 9,  States And I Quote ;  For every one that Curseth  his Father   or his Mother  shall be surely put to Death ; he hath Cursed  his Father  or his Mother  his Blood shall be upon him . [ They Are Guilty Of A Capital Offense ]
 
Death For Adultery ;- Leviticus 20 ; 10 ,  States And I Quote ; And the Man that Committeth Adultery  with another Man's Wife  even he that Committeth Adultery  with his Neighbor Wife  the Adulterer  and the  Adulterer  shall surely be put to Death .
 
Death For Fornication ; -  Leviticus 21 ; 9 ,  States And I Quote ;  And the Daughter  of any Priest  , if she Profance herself by Playing The Whore  she Profaneth Her Father  ; she Shall Be Burnt With Fire .
 
Death To Followers Of Other Religions ; - Exodus 22 ; 20 ,  States And I Quote ; He That Sacrificeth  unto Any God  save unto the Lord Only  , he Shall Be Utterly Destroyed .
 
Kill Nonbelievers ; -  2Chronicles 15 ; 12 - 13 , States And I Quote ;  And they entered into a Covenant  to seek the Lord God  of their Fathers  with all their heart and with all their soul . Verse 13 . That whosoever would Not Seek The Lord God Of Israel Should Be Put To Death whether small or great whether Man or Woman .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Zechariah 13 ; 3 ,States And I Quote ; And it shall come to pass , that when Any  shall yet Prophesy  , then his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  shall say unto him , Thou Shalt  not Live  for thou Speakest Lies  in the Name  of the Lord ; and his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  Shall Thrust Him Through  when he Prophesieth .  
 
Kill The Entire Town If One Person Worships Another God ; -   Deuteronomy 13 ; 13 - 19 , States And I Quote ; Certain Men  the Children  of Belial  are gone out from among you , and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city , saying . Let us go and Serve Other Gods which ye have not known . Verse 14 . Then shalt thou inquire , and make search , and Ask Diligently and , behold , if it be Truth and the Thing certain , that such abomination Is Wrought Among  you . Verse 15 . Thou Shalt  surely Smite The Inhabitants Of That City  with the Edge Of The Sword Destroying It Utterly , and all that is therein , and the Cattle  thereof , with the Edge Of The Sword  . Verse 16 . And thou Shalt Gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof , and Shalt Burn With Fire The City ,  And all the spoil thereof every Whit  for the Lord Thy God ;  and it shall be an heap Forever it shall not be built again . Verse 17 . And there shall cleave Naught  of the Cursed Thing to thine hand ; that the Lord  may turn from the fierceness of his anger , and show thee mercy , and Have Compassion  upon thee , and multiply thee , as he Hath Sworn  unto thy fathers ; Verse 18 . When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord Thy God , to keep all his commandments which I Command   thee this Day  to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord Thy God .
 
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night ;-   Deuteronomy 22 ; 20 - 21 , States And I Quote ; But if this Thing  be True ,  and the tokens of Virginity  be not found for the Damsel . Verse 21 . They they shall bring out the Damsel  to the door of her Father's House ,  and the Men of Her City  shall Stone Her With Stones  that she Die  , Because she Hath Wrought  folly in Israel , to Play The Whore  in her father house ; so shalt thou evil way from among you .
 
Kill Followers Of Other Religions ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 7 - 12 ,States And I Quote ; Namely of the gods of the People  which are round about you night unto thee , or far off from thee , from the one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the earth . Verse 8 . Thou Shalt  not Consent  unto him , nor Hearken  unto him ; neither shall thine eye pity him , neither shalt thou spare , neither Shalt thou Conceal  . Verse 9 . But thou shalt surely kill him  thine Hand  shall be First upon him to Put Him To Death , and afterwards the hand of all the people . Verse 10 .
And thou shalt stone him with stones that he Die  , because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God , which brought thee out of the land of Egypt , from the house of bonfage . Verse 11 . And all Israel Shalt Hear  and fear , and shall do no more any such Wickedness as this is among you . Verse 12 . If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities which the Lord thy God  hath given thee to dwell there , saying .
 
( 2 ) . Deuteronomy 17 ; 2 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there be found Among  you within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee , Man  or Woman that Hath Wrought Wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God in Transgressing  his Covenant . Verse 3 . And haith gone and Served other gods and Worshiped them either the sun , or moon , or any of the Host of Heaven which I Have  not Commanded . Verse 4 . And it Betold thee , and thou Hast Heard of it , and inquired Diligently and behold , it be true , and the thing certain ; that such abomination is wrought in Israel , Verse 5 . Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman , which have committed that Wicked thing , unto thy gates , even that man or that woman , and shalt stone them with stones , till they Die .
 
Death For Blasphemy ;- Leviticus 24 ; 10 -16 , States And I Quote ; And the son of an Israelitish Woman whose father was an Egyptain , went out among the children of Israel and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel  strove together in the Camp . Verse 11 . And the  Israelitish woman's son Blasphemed the name of the Lord  and Cursed  . And they brought him unto Moses ; ( and his mother's name was Shelomith , the daughter of Dibri , of the Tribe of Dan ; ) . Verse  12 . And they put him in ward that the Mind of the Lord might be showed them . Verse 13 . And the Lord spake unto Moses saying . Verse 14 . Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp ; and let all that Heard  him lay their Hands upon his Head  and let all the Congregation stone him . Verse . 15 . And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel , saying , Whosoever  Curseth  his God Shalt Beat  his sin . Verse 16 . And he that Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , he shall surely be put to death , and all the congregation shall certainly stone him ; as well the Stranger  as he that is born in the land , when he Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , Shall Be Put To Death .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 1 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there arise Among you a Prophet  or a dreamer of dreams , and giveth thee a Sign   or a wonder , Verse 2 . And the sign or the wonder come to pass , whereof he Spake unto thee saying , Let us go after other gods which thou Hast  not Known  and let us Serve  them . Verse 3 . Thou Shalt  not Hearken  unto the Words  of that Prophet ,  or that dreamer of dreams ; for the Lord  your God Proveth you , to know whether ye Love  the Lord  your God  with all your Heart  and with all your Soul .
Verse 4 . Ye shall walk after the Lord  your God . and Fear  him and Keep  his commandments , and Obey his voice , and ye shall serve him , and cleave unto him . Verse 5 . And that Prophet  , or that dreamer of dreams , Shall Be Put To Death  because he Hath Spoken  to Turn  you Away from the Lord  your God which brought you out of the land of Egypt  , and Redeemed  you out of the House  of Bondage  to thrust thee out of the Way which the Lord  thy God Commanded thee to walk in . So shalt thou put the Evil  away from the midst of thee .
 
Deuteronomy 18 ; 20 - 22 , States And I Quote ; But the Prophet , which shall presume to speak a word in my name ,which I have not commanded him to speak , or that shall speak in the name of other gods  even that Prophet shall die . Verse 21 . And if thou Say  in thine heart , How Shall we Know the word which the Lord hath not spoken . Verse 22 . When a Prophet speaken in the name of the Lord , if the thing follow not , nor Come To Pass  , that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken , but the Prophet  hath spoken it Presumptuously thou Shall  not Be Afraid of him .
 


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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 10 November 2013 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Take a look for yourself

Greetings Al Saadiqueen21,

Regarding some of your post....

'Let him die the death'
simply means let him not enter the kingdom of heaven

[ Note is this the action of a sane man ? ]

It is the action of a man subject to the flesh nature.
I believe the scriptures simply reveal the flesh nature which the Divine took on...  the scriptures in places reveal that Yahshua was subject to the weaknesses of the flesh... that he became tired, and sometimes became impatient with the people and with what it was He was tasked to do among them... Yet, He accepted to do His Father's will and to fulfill the purpose for which He was sent.

As for the rest;
Yes, islam restates all the violence of the old testament, and denies the Lord in the new thing which He chooses to do... the new covenant which is Christ, His Son... the salvation of the world.

I too have a problem with the old testament, which is the same reason I have a problem with islam, in which Muhammad seeks to revive old testament ways.
Yahshua was sent as a new covenant... the new thing which God intended for mankind,

19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? [in other words, will you recognize it] (as spoken through the prophet Isaiah)

... to not follow that new way is wrong, it returns us to old testament times, which is to go against Christ.

Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 11 November 2013 at 11:06am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Take a look for yourself

Greetings Al Saadiqueen21,

Regarding some of your post....

'Let him die the death'
simply means let him not enter the kingdom of heaven

[ Note is this the action of a sane man ? ]

It is the action of a man subject to the flesh nature.
I believe the scriptures simply reveal the flesh nature which the Divine took on...  the scriptures in places reveal that Yahshua was subject to the weaknesses of the flesh... that he became tired, and sometimes became impatient with the people and with what it was He was tasked to do among them... Yet, He accepted to do His Father's will and to fulfill the purpose for which He was sent.

As for the rest;
Yes, islam restates all the violence of the old testament, and denies the Lord in the new thing which He chooses to do... the new covenant which is Christ, His Son... the salvation of the world.

I too have a problem with the old testament, which is the same reason I have a problem with islam, in which Muhammad seeks to revive old testament ways.
Yahshua was sent as a new covenant... the new thing which God intended for mankind,

19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? [in other words, will you recognize it] (as spoken through the prophet Isaiah)

... to not follow that new way is wrong, it returns us to old testament times, which is to go against Christ.

Salaam and blessings to you,
Caringheart
 
As Salaamu Alaykum
 
With all do respect Jesus NeverEver said anything in the Scriptures , The Hadiyth's of Matthew , Mark , Luke , John said Jesus said this or that , Meaning Jesus had left the earth when these guy wrote these Hadiyth's= words of men and not from Yahuwa . The Bible is more Violent then that of Al Qur'aan . More of teaching of the Bible in my next post will back up my point
 
 


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: iec786
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 10:44am
Jesus said in the New Testament.
Luke 19:27
New International Version
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 2:35pm
Eye for Over-kill ? Jesus says to Kill anyone who Curses their Parents , Reaffirms Moses , Who spoke for God . Matthew 15 ; 4 , States And I Quote ; For God Commanded , saying , Honor thy Father and Mother and , he that Curseth Father or Mother Let Him Die The Death .
 
Jesus Kills A Fig Tree , Matthew 21 ; 18 - 19 , States And I Quote ; Now in the morning as he returned into the city , he Hungered .  Verse 19 . And when he saw a A Fig Tree  in the way , he came to it , and found nothing thereon , but leaves only , and said unto it , Let No Fruit Grow  on thee henceforward forever . And presently the Fig Tree Withered Away .  Also Refer To Mark 11 ; 12 - 14 , 20 , States And I Quote ;  And on the morrow , when they were come from Bethany  , he was Hungry . Verse 13 . And seeing a Fig Tree  afar off might find anything thereon ; and when he came to it , he found nothing but leaves for the Time  of Fig  was not yet . Verse 14 . And Jesus and his Disciples  heard it . Verse 20 . And in the morning , as they passed by , they saw the Fig Tree  dried up from the roots .  [ Note is this the action of a sane man ? ]
 
Jesus on Sexual Immorality , Adultery , and Child Abuse , Revelation 2 ; 20 - 23 , States And I Quote ; Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee , because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel which called herself a Prophetess To Teach  and to seduce my Servants  to commit fornication , and to eat things sacrificed unto idols . Verse 21 . And I gave her Space  to Repent of her fornication ; and she repented not . Verse 22 . Behold , I will cast her into a bed , and them that commit Adultery with her into great Tribulation ,  except they repent of their Deeds .
Verse 23 . And I will Kill Her Children With Death  ; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the Reins and Hearts and I will give unto every one of you according to your Works .
 
( 1 ) . Capital Punishment Crimes ; - Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests . Deuteronomy 17 ; 12 ,  States And I Quote ; And the man that will do Presumptuously  and Will Not Hearken  unto the Priest that standeth to Minister  there before the Lord  thy God  or unto the judge , even that Man Shall Die ;  and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel .
 
Kill Witches ;-  Exodus 22 ; 18 , States And I Quote ; Thou Shalt  not Suffer Witch  to Live .
 
Kill Homosexuals ; -  Leviticus 20 ; 13 , States And I Quote ; If a man also Lie  with Man Kind
as he Lieth  with a Woman both of them have Committed  an Abomination  they shall surely be put to Death ; their blood shall be upon them .
 
Kill Fortunetellers ; -   Leviticus 20 ;27 ,  States And I Quote ; A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit , or that is a Wizard  , shall surely be Put To Death ; they shall Stone Them With Stones ;  their blood shall be upon them .
 
Death For Hitting Dad ; - Exidus 21 ; 15 , States And I Quote ;  And He That Smiteth his Father  or his Mother  shall be surely Put To Death .
 
( 1 ) . Death For Cursing Parents ; - Proverbs 20 ; 20 , States And I Quote ; Whoso Curseth  his Father  or his Mother  his Lamp  shall be put put in obscure Darkness .
( 2 ) .  Leviticus 20 ; 9,  States And I Quote ;  For every one that Curseth  his Father   or his Mother  shall be surely put to Death ; he hath Cursed  his Father  or his Mother  his Blood shall be upon him . [ They Are Guilty Of A Capital Offense ]
 
Death For Adultery ;- Leviticus 20 ; 10 ,  States And I Quote ; And the Man that Committeth Adultery  with another Man's Wife  even he that Committeth Adultery  with his Neighbor Wife  the Adulterer  and the  Adulterer  shall surely be put to Death .
 
Death For Fornication ; -  Leviticus 21 ; 9 ,  States And I Quote ;  And the Daughter  of any Priest  , if she Profance herself by Playing The Whore  she Profaneth Her Father  ; she Shall Be Burnt With Fire .
 
Death To Followers Of Other Religions ; - Exodus 22 ; 20 ,  States And I Quote ; He That Sacrificeth  unto Any God  save unto the Lord Only  , he Shall Be Utterly Destroyed .
 
Kill Nonbelievers ; -  2Chronicles 15 ; 12 - 13 , States And I Quote ;  And they entered into a Covenant  to seek the Lord God  of their Fathers  with all their heart and with all their soul . Verse 13 . That whosoever would Not Seek The Lord God Of Israel Should Be Put To Death whether small or great whether Man or Woman .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Zechariah 13 ; 3 ,States And I Quote ; And it shall come to pass , that when Any  shall yet Prophesy  , then his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  shall say unto him , Thou Shalt  not Live  for thou Speakest Lies  in the Name  of the Lord ; and his Father  and his Mother  that Begat Him  Shall Thrust Him Through  when he Prophesieth .  
 
Kill The Entire Town If One Person Worships Another God ; -   Deuteronomy 13 ; 13 - 19 , States And I Quote ; Certain Men  the Children  of Belial  are gone out from among you , and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city , saying . Let us go and Serve Other Gods which ye have not known . Verse 14 . Then shalt thou inquire , and make search , and Ask Diligently and , behold , if it be Truth and the Thing certain , that such abomination Is Wrought Among  you . Verse 15 . Thou Shalt  surely Smite The Inhabitants Of That City  with the Edge Of The Sword Destroying It Utterly , and all that is therein , and the Cattle  thereof , with the Edge Of The Sword  . Verse 16 . And thou Shalt Gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof , and Shalt Burn With Fire The City ,  And all the spoil thereof every Whit  for the Lord Thy God ;  and it shall be an heap Forever it shall not be built again . Verse 17 . And there shall cleave Naught  of the Cursed Thing to thine hand ; that the Lord  may turn from the fierceness of his anger , and show thee mercy , and Have Compassion  upon thee , and multiply thee , as he Hath Sworn  unto thy fathers ; Verse 18 . When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord Thy God , to keep all his commandments which I Command   thee this Day  to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord Thy God .
 
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night ;-   Deuteronomy 22 ; 20 - 21 , States And I Quote ; But if this Thing  be True ,  and the tokens of Virginity  be not found for the Damsel . Verse 21 . They they shall bring out the Damsel  to the door of her Father's House ,  and the Men of Her City  shall Stone Her With Stones  that she Die  , Because she Hath Wrought  folly in Israel , to Play The Whore  in her father house ; so shalt thou evil way from among you .
 
Kill Followers Of Other Religions ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 7 - 12 ,States And I Quote ; Namely of the gods of the People  which are round about you night unto thee , or far off from thee , from the one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the earth . Verse 8 . Thou Shalt  not Consent  unto him , nor Hearken  unto him ; neither shall thine eye pity him , neither shalt thou spare , neither Shalt thou Conceal  . Verse 9 . But thou shalt surely kill him  thine Hand  shall be First upon him to Put Him To Death , and afterwards the hand of all the people . Verse 10 .
And thou shalt stone him with stones that he Die  , because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God , which brought thee out of the land of Egypt , from the house of bonfage . Verse 11 . And all Israel Shalt Hear  and fear , and shall do no more any such Wickedness as this is among you . Verse 12 . If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities which the Lord thy God  hath given thee to dwell there , saying .
 
( 2 ) . Deuteronomy 17 ; 2 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there be found Among  you within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee , Man  or Woman that Hath Wrought Wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God in Transgressing  his Covenant . Verse 3 . And haith gone and Served other gods and Worshiped them either the sun , or moon , or any of the Host of Heaven which I Have  not Commanded . Verse 4 . And it Betold thee , and thou Hast Heard of it , and inquired Diligently and behold , it be true , and the thing certain ; that such abomination is wrought in Israel , Verse 5 . Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman , which have committed that Wicked thing , unto thy gates , even that man or that woman , and shalt stone them with stones , till they Die .
 
Death For Blasphemy ;- Leviticus 24 ; 10 -16 , States And I Quote ; And the son of an Israelitish Woman whose father was an Egyptain , went out among the children of Israel and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel  strove together in the Camp . Verse 11 . And the  Israelitish woman's son Blasphemed the name of the Lord  and Cursed  . And they brought him unto Moses ; ( and his mother's name was Shelomith , the daughter of Dibri , of the Tribe of Dan ; ) . Verse  12 . And they put him in ward that the Mind of the Lord might be showed them . Verse 13 . And the Lord spake unto Moses saying . Verse 14 . Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp ; and let all that Heard  him lay their Hands upon his Head  and let all the Congregation stone him . Verse . 15 . And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel , saying , Whosoever  Curseth  his God Shalt Beat  his sin . Verse 16 . And he that Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , he shall surely be put to death , and all the congregation shall certainly stone him ; as well the Stranger  as he that is born in the land , when he Blasphemeth  the name of the Lord , Shall Be Put To Death .
 
Kill False Prophets ; -  Deuteronomy 13 ; 1 - 5 , States And I Quote ; If there arise Among you a Prophet  or a dreamer of dreams , and giveth thee a Sign   or a wonder , Verse 2 . And the sign or the wonder come to pass , whereof he Spake unto thee saying , Let us go after other gods which thou Hast  not Known  and let us Serve  them . Verse 3 . Thou Shalt  not Hearken  unto the Words  of that Prophet ,  or that dreamer of dreams ; for the Lord  your God Proveth you , to know whether ye Love  the Lord  your God  with all your Heart  and with all your Soul .
Verse 4 . Ye shall walk after the Lord  your God . and Fear  him and Keep  his commandments , and Obey his voice , and ye shall serve him , and cleave unto him . Verse 5 . And that Prophet  , or that dreamer of dreams , Shall Be Put To Death  because he Hath Spoken  to Turn  you Away from the Lord  your God which brought you out of the land of Egypt  , and Redeemed  you out of the House  of Bondage  to thrust thee out of the Way which the Lord  thy God Commanded thee to walk in . So shalt thou put the Evil  away from the midst of thee .
 
Deuteronomy 18 ; 20 - 22 , States And I Quote ; But the Prophet , which shall presume to speak a word in my name ,which I have not commanded him to speak , or that shall speak in the name of other gods  even that Prophet shall die . Verse 21 . And if thou Say  in thine heart , How Shall we Know the word which the Lord hath not spoken . Verse 22 . When a Prophet speaken in the name of the Lord , if the thing follow not , nor Come To Pass  , that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken , but the Prophet  hath spoken it Presumptuously thou Shall  not Be Afraid of him .
 


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 18 December 2013 at 2:42pm

Something for you ieciec786 Next makesure you read the whole bible and not just the part your like ok

The word Gospel means '' Good News ''  or '' Good Announcement '' The word Gospel  was used by The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a  in reference to the Old Testament . He Could'nt Have Been Talking  about the The Testament  because it didn't Even Exist Yet . In most Bibles , the Gospel consist of four books when are ; Matthew , Mark , Luke , And John . Most of these people base their religion on The Gospels .
 
They are under the inpression that these books were written by the four diciples of The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a  little do they know that Mark and Luke  were not Disciples of The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a  . However , their names have become synonymous as Discoples . If you really look into The Word Gospel you will see it's really saying Ghost Spell '' Ghost Spell ( Gospel ) is the Spiritual Ignorance and Blindness ,
 
All Four Gospels were written a number of years apart , Matthew 41 A.D. 8 Years . after the supposed Crucifixion . Luke 58 A.D. 25 Years  after the supposed Crucifixion . Mark 65 A.D. 32 Years  after the supposed Crucifixion . John 98 A.D. 65 Years  after the supposed Crucifixion . The earliest written Gospels was Matthew's ,
 
His Gospel couldn't have been looked upon as accrate , Considering he was of the original twelve
, But his Gospel Strongly resembles Mark's and Luke's besides . He was one of the Ones Who Fled The Gaarden After The Arret of The Prophet / Messish Yashu'a . In the garden ; Therefore , He definitely could not have Recorded Anything after ...
 
The Gospel According to Matthew 26 ; 56 , Where It States ; And I Quote ; But All This Was Done , That The ( Scriptures ) Of The ( Prophets ) Might Be ( Fulfilled ) Then ( All Disciples Forsook Him And Fled ) . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
So , Of the event that has ( Been Embedded Into The Minds Of Humanity , '' The Crucifixion ''
Matthew can give no actual account of it except , Maybe , What he had been told . Now how Reliable can his writing be .
 
1. Approximately ninety-five percent or 600 verses , of the 661 verses in Mark , Are either reproduced of sucbstantially represented in Matthew .
 
2 . Of the 661 verses in Mark , 350 are eithers reproduced or substantially represented in Luke.
 
3 . Only 31 of the 661 verses found in Mark are not represented in either Matthew or Luke .
 
The Gospels of Luke and Mark may very well have followed the pattern of Matthew , Which was written by Paul for Matthew , Considering he wrote this Gospel First . How do we know this ? Let's look at a Verse from The Book Of Matthew .
 
 The Gospel According to Matthew 9;9 , Where It States ; And I Quote ;
 
Kahee ( And ) As Ee-ay -sooce ( Jesus ) Par-ag-o ( Passed ) Forth From Ek-I-Then (There ) He I-Do (Saw ) A Anth-Ro-Pos ( Human Being ) , Leg-o ( Named ) Mat-Thah - Yos ( Matthew ) , Khath -Ay -Mahee ( Sitting ) Ep-Ee ( At ) The Tel-O-Nee-On ( Receipt Of Custom ) Kahee (And ) He Leg-O ( Said ) Ow-Tos ( Unto ) Him Ak -Ol-Oo -Theh-O ( Follow ) Moy ( Me ) Kahee ( And ) He An-Is-Tay-Mee ( Arose ) And Ak-Ol-Oo-Theh-O ( Followed ) Ow-Tos (Him ) .
 
And Jesus Passed Forth From There , He Saw A Human Being , Called Matthew , Sitting At The Place Where They Collect The Tax ; And Said To Him , Follow Me , And He Rose And Followed Him . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
Now you tell me , Who is speaking about Matthew on this Quote ; As you can see , Matthew could not have Written This Gospel . Whatever the case may be . Neither of the three were . Present to ( Witness Anything After The Arrest In The Garden ) . On the other hand . John's Gospel has it's validity within its writing John 21 ; 24-25 , Explains And I Quote ;
 
The Gospel According of John 20 ; 24-25 , Where It States ; And I Quote ; But Thomas , One Of The ( Twelve ) , Called (Didymus ) Was Not With Them When ( Jesus ) Came . ( 24 ) . The (Other Disciples ) Therefore Said Unto Him , We Have Seen The ( Lord ) . But He Said Unto Them , Except I ( Shall See ) In His Hands The ( Print ) Of The Nails And Put My Finger Into The ( Print ) Of The Nails , And Thrust My Hand Into His Side , I  ( Will Not Believe ) . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 




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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 19 December 2013 at 6:59pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

As Salaamu Alaykum
 
With all do respect Jesus NeverEver said anything in the Scriptures , The Hadiyth's of Matthew , Mark , Luke , John said Jesus said this or that , Meaning Jesus had left the earth when these guy wrote these Hadiyth's= words of men and not from Yahuwa . 
 

Greetings Al Saadiqeen,

If you discount the words of scripture as being the words of Yahshua(Jesus), how do you account for those words, written down by different people, in different lands, being in agreement with one another... (and no matter how many years had passed)?

Salaam,
CLynn


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 4:26am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

As Salaamu Alaykum
 
With all do respect Jesus NeverEver said anything in the Scriptures , The Hadiyth's of Matthew , Mark , Luke , John said Jesus said this or that , Meaning Jesus had left the earth when these guy wrote these Hadiyth's= words of men and not from Yahuwa . 
 

Greetings Al Saadiqeen,

If you discount the words of scripture as being the words of Yahshua(Jesus), how do you account for those words, written down by different people, in different lands, being in agreement with one another... (and no matter how many years had passed)?

Salaam,
CLynn
 
As Salaamu Alaykum Caringheart
 
The Prophet / Messiah , Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus , son of Mary never said anything , Matthew , Mark , Luke , John Said he Said these thing . They're called Hadiyth come from the word Hadatha , Meaning ''Existence , Began To Be ; Had A Beginning , Began , Or Originated , Existed New For The First Time .
 
Its plural Ahaadiyth are supposedly records of Actions , Utterances  and Customs  of The Prophet / Messiah , Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus , son of Mary, Any action done in his Presence and the Presence of his Companions .
 
 Hadiyth = Words of men and not of Yahuwa . Just because these people of these Diffrent land Times are in Agreement . Doesn't change things . The Prophet / Messiah , Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus , Still never say anything in the Scriptures .
 
A well thought-out question but Hadiyth are Hadiyth nomore noless .... Also all those who cliam they have gotten their calling from Creator / God etc etc .
 
Are All giving their Version / Opin-ion / teaching / doctrine , And all of them Diffrent . As if Creator / God . Make mistakes


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Posted By: johnford
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

The Word Gospel you will see it's really saying [Ghost Spell '' Ghost Spell ( Gospel )


Where did you trawl this up from ... the gospels were written in Greek ... learn basic Greek.

'Gospel' is a translation of the Gk 'evaggelio' which essentially means 'to announce good news'.



Posted By: johnford
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by Caringheart

If you discount the words of scripture as being the words of Yahshua(Jesus), how do you account for those words, written down by different people, in different lands, being in agreement with one another... (and no matter how many years had passed)?Salaam,CLynn


Well, the gospels any not in agreement on many essential aspects ... the last words of Jesus being but one example.



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 20 December 2013 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by johnford

Originally posted by Caringheart

If you discount the words of scripture as being the words of Yahshua(Jesus), how do you account for those words, written down by different people, in different lands, being in agreement with one another... (and no matter how many years had passed)?Salaam,CLynn


Well, the gospels any not in agreement on many essential aspects ... the last words of Jesus being but one example.


Greetings johnford,

I refer to the parables... the teachings... which are the main import of the Gospels.  These are the things that matter... what Yahshua taught.
The fact that He foretold of things which would happen to Him, and which were then observed and reported by the many people who witnessed the events.
The Gospels are in agreement on the essential aspects.  We have a different idea of what the essential aspects are. Smile

Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 21 December 2013 at 5:41am
Originally posted by johnford

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

The Word Gospel you will see it's really saying [Ghost Spell '' Ghost Spell ( Gospel )


Where did you trawl this up from ... the gospels were written in Greek ... learn basic Greek.

'Gospel' is a translation of the Gk 'evaggelio' which essentially means 'to announce good news'.

 
Any real religious Scholar / Theologian etc , Will tell you that the Scriptures / Bible were orginally written in Aramic , Not  Greek nor Latin nor English . Also when changeing one language to another it loses it True meaning because of the Alphabet.  Sill doesn't change the fact Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus the Prophet / Messiah son of Mary . Neve -Ever said anything in The Bible . Bottom line !!


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 21 December 2013 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus the Prophet / Messiah son of Mary . Neve -Ever said anything in The Bible . Bottom line !!

Greetings Al Saadiqeen,

Your logic is flawed. 

The words which Yahshua spoke to His followers are written in the Gospels, per His followers.

Just as the words spoken by Muhammad were written down by his followers.

Salaam,
Caringheart


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever


Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 23 December 2013 at 4:41am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Al Saadiqeen21

Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus the Prophet / Messiah son of Mary . Neve -Ever said anything in The Bible . Bottom line !!

Greetings Al Saadiqeen,

Your logic is flawed. 

The words which Yahshua spoke to His followers are written in the Gospels, per His followers.

Just as the words spoken by Muhammad were written down by his followers.

Salaam,
Caringheart
 
 
As -Salaamu AlayKum caringheart
 
One thing is forsure the follower Isa , Yashu'a , Jesus son of Mary , Is Not Yahuwa .
 
Nor are the follower of Prophet Muhammad  Allah .


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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .



Posted By: Al Saadiqeen21
Date Posted: 30 January 2014 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by semar

http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/03/18/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran/ - http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/03/18/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran/
 
Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?

Scholar Philip Jenkins argues that scriptures in the Quran are less brutal than those in the Bible. In his new book, "Jesus Wars," Jenkins points out that violence in the Quran is mostly defensive, but in the Bible, it is often a method of genocide.

As the hijackers boarded the airplanes on Sept. 11, 2001, they had a lot on their minds. And if they were following instructions, one of those things was the Quran.

In preparation for the suicide attack, their handlers had told them to meditate on two chapters of the Quran in which God tells Muslims to "cast terror into the hearts of unbelievers."

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them," Allah instructs the Prophet Muhammad (Quran, 9:5). He continues: "Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites! ... Hell shall be their home, an evil fate."

When Osama bin Laden declared war on the West in 1996, he cited the Quran's command to "strike off" the heads of unbelievers. More recently, U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan lectured his colleagues about jihad, or "holy war," and the Quran's exhortation to fight unbelievers and bring them low. Hasan is accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, last year.

Given this violent legacy, religion historian Philip Jenkins decided to compare the brutality quotient of the Quran and the Bible.

Defense Vs. Total Annihilation

"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.

Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: Jesus Wars and Dark Passages — books that haven't yet been published but are already drawing controversy.

Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.

"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed.

'Holy Amnesia'

All this begs the question: If the Bible is so violent, why isn't Christianity or Judaism?

"What happens in all religions as they grow and mature and expand, they go through a process of forgetting of the original violence, and I call this a process of holy amnesia," Jenkins says.

They make the violence symbolic: Wiping out the enemy becomes wiping out one's own sins. Jenkins says that until recently, Islam had the same sort of holy amnesia, and many Muslims interpreted jihad, for example, as an internal struggle, not physical warfare.

Andrew Bostom calls this analysis "preposterous." Bostom, editor of The Legacy of Jihad, says there's a major difference between the Bible, which describes the destruction of an enemy at a point in time, and the Quran, which urges an ongoing struggle to defeat unbelievers.

"It's an aggressive doctrine," he says. "The idea is to impose Islamic law on the globe."

Take suicide attacks, he says — a tactic that Muslim radicals have used to great effect in the U.S., Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East. It's true that suicide from depression is forbidden in Islam — but Bostom says the Quran and the Hadith, or the sayings of Muhammad, do allow self-destruction for religious reasons.

"The notion of jihad martyrdom is extolled in the Quran, Quran verse 9:1-11. And then in the Hadith, it's even more explicit. This is the highest form of jihad — to kill and to be killed in acts of jihad."

'Out Of Context'

That may be the popular notion of jihad, says Waleed El-Ansary, but it's the wrong one. El-Ansary, who teaches Islamic studies at the University of South Carolina, says the Quran explicitly condemns religious aggression and the killing of civilians. And it makes the distinction between jihad — legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement — and irjaf, or terrorism.

"All of those types of incidences — [Sept. 11], Maj. Nidal Hasan and so forth — those are all examples of irjaf, not jihad," he says. According to the Quran, he says, those who practice irjaf "are going to hell."

So what's going on here? After all, we all have images of Muslim radicals flying planes into buildings, shooting up soldiers at Fort Hood, trying to detonate a bomb on an airplane on Christmas Day. How to reconcile a peaceful Quran with these violent acts?

El-Ansary says that in the past 30 years, there's been a perfect storm that has created a violent strain of Islam. The first is political: frustration at Western intervention in the Muslim world. The second is intellectual: the rise of Wahhabi Islam, a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam subscribed to by Osama bin Laden. El-Ansary says fundamentalists have distorted Islam for political purposes.

"Basically what they do is they take verses out of context and then use that to justify these egregious actions," he says.

El-Ansary says we are seeing more religious violence from Muslims now because the Islamic world is far more religious than is the West. Still, Jenkins says Judeo-Christian cultures shouldn't be smug. The Bible has plenty of violence.

"The scriptures are still there, dormant, but not dead," he says, "and they can be resurrected at any time. Witness the white supremacists who cite the murderous Phineas when calling for racial purity, or an anti-abortion activist when shooting a doctor who performs abortions.

In the end, the scholars can agree on one thing: The DNA of early Judaism, Christianity and Islam code for a lot of violence. Whether they can evolve out of it is another thing altogether. Copyright 2010 National Public Radio. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.

 
Whilst we're on the subject of ( Terrorism , despite the current hysteria surrounding the threat of Islamic Extremism ) , it should be pointed out that So-called '' Islamic Terrorism '' is a relatively recent Phenomenon , not even ( Sanctioned by the Holy Koran ) , but a concept ( introduced to Islam by Non-Muslims ) .

Others have perpetrated and indeed ( perfected Terrorism long before Muslims later embraced this diabolical , contemptible and cowardly ideology ) . as far back as the 17th Century , Terrorist acts are documented to have been carried out by Non -Muslim namely ; Jewish ( Zionist ) , European ( White Supremacist ) and Irish ( Nationalist ) groups .

The first ever recorded act of Terrorism in history was carried out by Jewish / Zionist extremists against British forces in Jerusalem following the 2nd World War . The concept of '' Suicide '' as a tactic of Warfare , first originated with the Japanese '' Kamikaze '' or Devine Wind '' , against the American's in the Pacific , during the Second World War .

Whilst the actual use of Terrorism ie; the ''Indiscriminate Murder of Civilians for Political motives was actually perfected by the Zionlist / Israeli fanatics immediately after the Second World War . The following is a brief list of Non - Muslims Terrorist group's and some of their worst recorded '' Terrorist '' atrocities ;

1 ) . Irgun Zvei ( Jewish ) ; July 22nd 1946 , Zionist Milutants Detonate an Explosive device at the King David Hotel , Jerusalem , Killing ( 91 Innocent British & Arab Men , Women & Children .

2 ) . Stern Gang ( Jewish ) ; September 17th 1948 , Swedish United Nations medoator to Palestine , Count Folke Bernadotte is assasinated in Jerusalem by Zionist extremists in cold blood .

3 ) . Klu Klux Klan ( American ) September 15 , 1963 , Kian members detonate an explosive device at the 16th street Baptist Churcgh , Birmingham , Alabama , during Children's Bible Class , Killing four Afican American School Grils .

4 ) . Baader -Meinhof Gang aka 'The red army ( German ) , April 7th 1977 , State & Federal prosecutor Siegfried Buback and his driver were assasinated in Germany by Red Army member in Cold Blood .

5 ) . Red Brigade ( Italian ) May 9th 1978 , members of Red Brigade Murder Italian Prime Minster Aldo Moro , after Kidnapping him in Italy two months earlier .

6 ) . Ulster Volunteer Force aka U.V.F. ( Irish ) May 7th , 1974 , Three car bombs are detonated in Dublin , Ireland , ( Killing 35 Innocent Civilians .

7 ) . ETA ( Spanish ) June 19th , 1987 , Basque Separatist Militans ETA , Detonate an expolosive device in Hipercor shopping mall , in Barcelona , ( Killing 21 , and injuring 45 Innocent Civilians .

8 ) . Irish Republican army aka IRA ( Irish ) January 17th , 1992 , members IRA detonate an explosive device in Omagh , Northern island ( Killing 30 Inncents Civilians ) .

9 ) . Aryan Nation ( American ) April 19th , 1995 White Supremacists lead by Timothy McVaigh Detonate explosive device at Federal Building Okalahoma city , ( Killing 168 Inncent Civilians .

In fact it would be Accurate to say that Many of the Tactics and Strategies employed by ( European Terrorist groups , such as ( Kidnapping , Murder , Assassination , Bombings & Arson ) have only been Mimicked or Copied relatively recently by Islamic Terrorist movements from the numerous Nationalist , White -Supremacist & Zionist Terrorist organisation listed above .


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Posted By: ahanim
Date Posted: 09 February 2014 at 5:59am
Originally posted by martha



What is a concern for me in current times is that people do not have a prophet and decide themselves( or listen to extremists) and then we have these bloodbaths. I don't agree that people should just go around killing others, but if what you say is right then I am justified to kill whoever I want to if I say the Quran allows me to do that because it's considered just?


Salam Aleikum,

we live in times of war. This is a cultural war started by the west.
The Islamic countries are not attacking. They are struggling in a desperate fight
to be free from western oppression. I do not want to justify every atrocity on that path, but i do believe that free people of an a attacked country have every right to defend themselves.

The right to fight violently is only allowed in a self defense situation.
If we looked at the history of Arab tribes before Islam and hard fighting they indulged you would be convinced that the philosophy of passive resistance would not have worked in that environment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence#cite_note-11 -






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