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Posted By: Jabcrosshook
Subject: Question
Date Posted: 19 February 2010 at 6:43am
Asalam Alaykum, :)
 
I am pretty new to this site.  This is probably my 6th or 7th post.  Anyhow I have a rather complicated question.  Complicated on my part though.  I have read from various sources that keeping a dog is haram unless for hunting or protection but not as a pet and never in the home.  It is said Angels will not come into a home with dogs.  Ok here is my question.
 
1.  Why will Angels not be in the same home as a dog? 
 
My situation is I am pretty new Muslim.  My wife is not a muslim.  We had a dog prior to me becoming Muslim.  Well, basically it's her dog.  I mean I help out in feeding the dog etc but it is her dog.  Does this mean I have to ask her to get rid of her dog??
 
2.  I understand they are haram probably because they are not clean animals.  Why haram though.  I can undestand say Alcohol or adultry but why dogs?? 
 
Thanks, this has bothered me quite a bit.  Does this mean all my prayers are not heard because there is a dog in the house?  Thanks for the advice brothers and sisters.
 
Tony



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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 24 February 2010 at 6:33pm
Walaikum salaam wa rahmatullah
 
Very sorry for being late to respond. Had been reading but cud not write to you.
 
One point would like to clear that Islam does n't hate dogs.  At the same time as you said there are hadith which do not allow dogs in our homes. I understand your dilema. Brother, keep trying to explain your wife in very soft terms. Untill then, you see that, that pet does n't enter the room wherein you pray. Thats the best you can do for timebeing.
 
Wisom behind it - as you said they are unclean animals. For us brother, it shud be that its the command of Prophet, and we are to follow it. Is n't it Smile
 
 


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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 7:16am

As far as the hadith, "Indeed, the Angels do not enter a house that has a dog or an image inside." Narrated by Bukhari and Muslim, Imam an-Nawawi also mentioned that the scholars differed. Is it that the angels of mercy do not enter a house that has a dog (that is haram to keep) only or all dogs in general including the ones that are permissible to keep for the reasons that were mentioned. Allah knows best. But as far as the reason why the Angels do not enter, then this does not concern us. What is important is that they do not enter and when the angels of mercy enter the houses, they cause comfort, tranquility and barakah (blessings.)

1-The dog is considered unclean "Najaaza". It is only its saliva is the only unclean part. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said "Purifying a container that a dog has licked (to be used by humans) is done by washing it 7 times (Narrated by Al Bokhari).


2-Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said "The Angels do not enter into a house that has a dog (Narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

 

3-Dogs are mentioned in Quran 5 times In Surat Al Kahf or "The Cave".(Al Kahf: 18;18-22).Allah counted the dog among the people of the cave which indicates that dogs are permitted to live among people.


4-Dogs have many values in our lives. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said "if you are using a trained dog for hunting you can eat what the dog hunted provided he did not eat from it.If he did do not eat it".(Fig-Al Sunna by Sayyed Sabeg" It is also reported in this reference that the dry fur of the dog is clean "Not Najaaza"


5-Two separate Hadiths narrated by Abu Hurayrah (He was a close companion of Prophet Mohammad, PBUH, and his name is Abdul-Rahman. He is called Abu Hurayra, meaning "father of kitten" because he was carrying a small cat with him all the time,caring and feeding it).The Prophet (PBUH) told his companions of the virtue of saving dog's life by giving water and quenching its thirst. One referred to was a man who was blessed by Allah for giving water to a thirsty dog. The other was a prostitute who filled her shoe with well-water and gave it to a dog that was lolling in thirst and could not reach the water. For this deed she was granted the ultimate reward: eternal Paradise.


6-Reported by Al-Bukhari that the people asked Prophet Mohammad (PBUH):"O Messenger, will we be rewarded for how we treat animals? He replied "In every living thing there is a reward" and also said "Whoever is kind to creatures of God is kind to himself" (Narrated by Abdallah bin Amur in Al-Bukhari and Muslim collections))

http://www.worldofislam.netfirms.com/dogs.html - http://www.worldofislam.netfirms.com/dogs.html


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 25 February 2010 at 10:21am
Well, this is crazy.

Islam doesn;t hate dogs, but certain hadiths and scholars and muslims do.

Dogs were created by Allah. Isn't that enough? If dogs are not OK then ALlah is wrong according to some scholars. Duh, don't THINK so.

As abuayisha pointed out above:-

-Dogs are mentioned in Quran 5 times In Surat Al Kahf or "The Cave".(Al Kahf: 18;18-22).Allah counted the dog among the people of the cave which indicates that dogs are permitted to live among people.

So, what is the ruling then on dogs please?

According to the Qu'ran please. Yes or no.   




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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 2:24am
Originally posted by martha

Well, this is crazy.

Islam doesn;t hate dogs, but certain hadiths and scholars and muslims do.
 
Can u kindly show us those hadiths and scholars who hate dogs !

Dogs were created by Allah. Isn't that enough? If dogs are not OK then ALlah is wrong according to some scholars. Duh, don't THINK so.
 
Islam permits dogs udder certain conditions. By the way, when swines are haraam, then why did Allah swt create it ?

As abuayisha pointed out above:-

-Dogs are mentioned in Quran 5 times In Surat Al Kahf or "The Cave".(Al Kahf: 18;18-22).Allah counted the dog among the people of the cave which indicates that dogs are permitted to live among people.

So, what is the ruling then on dogs please?
 

Note that Allaah mentions this dog in His Book, and says that he was stretching forth his two forelegs at the entrance to the Cave [al-Kahf 18:18], in the context of referring to their high status. This indicates the great benefit to be gained by keeping company with righteous people. Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on this aayah: 

“Their dog was included in their blessing, so he slept as they slept in that situation. This is the benefit of keeping company with righteous people, so this dog was mentioned and was given status too.” 

This meaning is also indicated by the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah, in which he said to the one who said that he loved Allaah and His Messenger, “You will be with those whom you love.” (Agreed upon, from the hadeeth of Anas). 

From this it may be understood that keeping company with bad people causes a great deal of harm, as Allaah explained in Soorat al-Saaffaat, where He says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“A speaker of them will say: Verily, I had a companion (in the world),

Who used to say: Are you among those who believe (in resurrection after death).

(That) when we die and become dust and bones, shall we indeed (be raised up) to receive reward or punishment (according to our deeds)?

(The speaker) said: Will you look down?

So he looked down and saw him in the midst of the Fire.

He said: By Allaah! You have nearly ruined me.

Had it not been for the Grace of my Lord, I would certainly have been among those brought forth (to Hell)”

[al-Saaffaat 37:51-57] 

Source : Islam-qa 

According to the Qu'ran please. Yes or no.  
 
And again, shall i tell you that by following hadith, we follow Quran.  




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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 2:28am
Read this  link
 
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Islamonline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503547226 - http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Islamonline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503547226
 
And read this : {You said, hadiths hate dogs, right !}
 
It only remains for us to say that the fact that it is forbidden to keep a dog and interect closely with it does not mean that we should not be kind or feel compassion towards dogs if we see them in a pitiful state. These are two entirely separate matters.
 
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that "a man saw a dog biting the dust because of thirst, so he took his shoe and started to scoop water up with it until the dog’s thirst was quenched. Allaah appreciated his good deed and granted him entry to Paradise for it." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, no. 174).
 
According to another report, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whilst a man was walking he became very thirsty, so he went down to a well and drank from it. When he came out, he saw a dog panting and biting the soil because of thirst.
 
The man said, ‘He is suffering the same as I suffered,’ so he filled his shoe (with water), came out and let the dog drink until his thirst was quenched. Allaah appreciated his good deed and forgave him because of it." The people asked, "O Messenger of Allaah, will we be rewarded for how we treat animals?" He said, "In every living thing there is a reward." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath, no. 2363
 
Source :Islam-qa
 


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 2:29am

The Findings of Scientific Research Relative to Keeping Dogs

Some lovers of the West in Muslim countries claim to be full of love and compassion for all living creatures and they wonder why Islam warns against this "best friend" of man. For their benefit, we quote here a lengthy excerpt from an article by the German scientist, Dr. Gerard Finstimer, (Translated from the German magazine Kosinos.) in which the author sheds light on the dangers to human health resulting from keeping dogs or coming in contact with them. He says: The increasing interest shown by many people in recent times in keeping dogs as pets has compelled us to draw public attention to the dangers which result from this, especially because pet dogs are hugged and kissed and permitted to lick the hands of the young and the old, and what is worse, to lick the plates and utensils which are used by human beings for eating and drinking.

Besides being unhygienic and uncouth, this practice is bad manners and abhorrent to good taste. However, we are not concerned with such matters. Leaving them to be addressed by teachers of etiquette and good taste. Rather this article is intended to present some scientific observations.

From the medical point of view, which is our main concern here, the hazards to human health and life from keeping and playing with dogs are not to be ignored. Many people have paid a high price for their ignorance, as the tapeworm carried by dogs is a cause of chronic disease, sometimes resulting in death.

This worm is found in man, in cattle, and in pigs, but it is found in fully-developed form only in dogs, wolves and rarely in cats. These worms differ from others in that they are minute and invisible, consequently, they were not discovered until very recently. He continues, Biologically the developmental process of this worm has some unique characteristics. In the lesions caused by them, one worm gives rise to many heads which spread and form other and varied kinds of lesions and abscesses. These heads develop into full-grown worms only in dogs' tonsils. In humans and in other animals they appear as lesions and abscesses completely different from the tapeworm itself In animals the size of an abscess may reach that of an apple, while the liver of the infected animal may grow from five to ten times its normal size. In human beings the size of the abscess may reach that of a clenched fist or even the head of an infant; it is filled with yellow fluid weighing from ten to twenty pounds. In the infected human it may cause diverse kinds of inflammations in the lungs, muscles, spleen, kidneys, and brain, and appears in such different forms that specialists, until very recently, had difficulty in recognizing it.

In any case, wherever this inflammation is found, it poses great danger to the health and life of the patient. What is worse is that, in spite of our knowledge of its life history, origin, and development, we have not been able to devise a cure for it, except that in some instances these parasites die out, possibly because of antibodies produced in the human body. Unfortunately, cases in which such parasites die without causing damage are rare indeed.

Moreover, chemotherapy has failed to produce any benefit, and the usual treatment is surgical removal of the abscessed parts of the body. For all these reasons we should use all possible resources to fight against this dreadful disease and save man from its dangers.

Professor Noeller, through post-mortem dissection of human bodies in Germany, found that the incidence of infection with dogs' worms is at least one percent. In some places such as Dalmatia, Iceland, southeastern Australia, andHolland, where dogs are used for pulling sleds, the incidence rate of tapeworm among dogs is 12 percent. In Iceland the number of people who suffer from the inflammation caused by this worm has reached the rate of 43 percent. If we add to this the human suffering, the loss of meat because of infection of cattle, and the permanent danger to human health because of the presence of tapeworms, we cannot be very complacent toward this problem.

Perhaps the best way to combat the problem is to limit the worms to dogs and not let them spread, since in actuality we need to keep some dogs. We should not neglect to treat dogs when necessary by getting rid of the tapeworms in their tonsils and perhaps repeating this process periodically on shepherd dogs and watchdogs.

Man can protect his life and health by keeping a safe distance from dogs. He should not hug them, play with them, or let them come close to children. Children should be taught not to play with dogs or to fondle them. Dogs should not be permitted to lick children's hands or come to places where they play. Unfortunately, dogs are allowed to roam about everywhere, especially in places where children play, and their bowls are scattered throughout the house. Dogs must have their own separate bowls, and they must not be allowed to lick bowls and plates used by humans. They should not be allowed inside grocery stores, restaurants, or marketplaces. In general, great care must be taken that they do not come in contact with anything which is used by people for eating and drinking.

We already know that the Prophet (saws) forbade mixing with dogs, and that he warned against their licking plates and against keeping them without necessity. How is it possible that the teachings of an unlettered Arab, Muhammad, should agree with the latest findings of scientific research? Truly, we cannot say anything except to repeat the words of the Qur'an: Nor does he speak from (his own) desire. It is nothing other than a revelation sent down. (53:3-4)

Source :World of Islam


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 2:51am
Salams Seeks,

Lol, maybe God created the swine for the following reasons

1/ For non-muslims, non-jews to eat?

2/                      http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=103144829751


3/ To search for truffles?

BTW..you didn't answer me about the donkey question. It is true that humans are very cruel to them, especially in poorer countries. I LOVE donkies. People do not need to treat them bad




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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 3:10am
Walaikum Salaam

Back your answers with Qur'an Martha

Donkeys ! What was your questions exactly. By the way, Islam does not prohibit donkeys. If people do not treat well, its certainly wrong. Islam teaches us to love animals.


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 3:11am

What do you say about the posts of dog, shared above ?

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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 12:31pm
In any case regardless of whether Dogs are allowed or not - this case is a bit different anyway. (Converts cannot be expected to make a 360 degree radical change in lifestyle - due to numerous hurdles) Since its not your Dog, but your Wife's. She being a non-Muslim has certain rights (including ownership of pets). It would be unreasonable for one to ask the spouse/expect her to make drastic changes due to change in one's own religious beliefs. I am sure the non-converted spouse already has misgivings or wierd feelings about the conversion - so drastic changes can only aggravate such situations.

The best situation I can think of - is to have a separate Prayer Area, so you don't have to worry about cleanliness. (Any room the Dog's not allowed in). Even though, Like AbuAysha's post mentions, touching/petting a Dog or having it pass thru an area doesnt make it unclean - for the fur is clean. It is only Saliva contact that makes things Najas or unclean. (According to all 4 schools of thought)

Even if your wife is supportive about your lifestyle change - I still don't think that "getting rid of the Dog" should be opted for. Rather, just make slight changes, like move the Dog into the yard. Because it would be a bit sad for the wife, and possible cruel for the Dog. After all, pets are a responsibility too, we are their guardians/wali. And Dogs can get really attached and dependent on the owners.









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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 26 February 2010 at 2:35pm
Salams Seeks,
THe article about dogs was interesting. I think on the whole there is little new about it, and we should use commonsense when being with dogs.
I have always been taught good hygiene practices as my parents kept dogs. So with my own kids I did the same. I can see though that not everyone would have learnt the same.
So it is important to teach others.
Dogs can make lovely companions though.
I really like cats :)



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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 06 March 2010 at 3:57am
Salaams,

I too love dogs, my sister's dogs are beautiful and amazing, and are actually quite clean on a whole. Smile

when I visit I just pray upstairs where they do not go. It is the saliva, not the dogs themselves. I agree with Chrysalis about the spouse being a nonMuslim and her rights are different.

Seeks, I understand what you wrote about potential parasites. The reality is that most westerners do not get these parasites, even living with dogs. Because they have access to clean water. All animals contain some parasites.

I had e a friend 15 years ago. She had a cat. Cats, as you may or may not know, will often drink water from anywhere besides their water dish. One time she, my friend, drank out of a glass of water, unknowingly after her cat did. She contacted a rare parasites that left her completely exhausted and a long time to diagnose. It took months and months of recovery.  So cats, which are fine as pets can have dangers too if people are unhygenic. 

so anytime I see "scientific research" I want to know Who are the scientists and exactly what is the study.  Probably all animals contain parasites that are not good for humans.  I agree with Martha, being around dogs or any other animal is about common sense hygiene practices.


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Posted By: gervaisleo123
Date Posted: 15 April 2010 at 10:54pm
One point would like to clear that Islam does n't hate dogs
 
Sure it does.
 
Sahih Bukhari
004.054.540 --> Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.
003.029.054 --> Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful (of a Muhrim) to kill five kinds of animals, namely: the crow, the kite, the mouse, the scorpion and the rabid dog."


Posted By: gervaisleo123
Date Posted: 15 April 2010 at 10:55pm
Probably all animals contain parasites that are not good for humans
I share my ice-cream with my dog. Still very much healthy and alive.


Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 16 April 2010 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by gervaisleo123

One point would like to clear that Islam does n't hate dogs
 
Sure it does.
 
Sahih Bukhari
004.054.540 --> Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.
003.029.054 --> Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful (of a Muhrim) to kill five kinds of animals, namely: the crow, the kite, the mouse, the scorpion and the rabid dog."


Whats so hateful about killing, or lets use the western term "euthanising" a rabid dog? (dog with rabies) That could infect humans with a deadly disease...


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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 16 April 2010 at 1:55pm
NOthing wrong in putting to sleep a rabid dog..actually very sensible.
BUt healthy dogs, provided good hygiene practices are in place are wonderful companions.




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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 19 April 2010 at 11:25pm
Originally posted by martha

NOthing wrong in putting to sleep a rabid dog..actually very sensible.
BUt healthy dogs, provided good hygiene practices are in place are wonderful companions.

Agreed. Just irks me when nonmuslims use those ahadith clearly dealing with rabid dogs to say that Islam & Muslims hate dogs. Why, even some muslims start believing that "hating" dogs is some kind of religious injunction ! Especially in certain cultures.




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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by martha

Salams Seeks,

Lol, maybe God created the swine for the following reasons

1/ For non-muslims, non-jews to eat?

2/                      http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=103144829751


3/ To search for truffles?

BTW..you didn't answer me about the donkey question. It is true that humans are very cruel to them, especially in poorer countries. I LOVE donkies. People do not need to treat them bad




Martha,
God created Satan (shaithan) as well, would you love it, invite it in your home, after all its Allah's creation?
Not everything Allah Created, we are to love it. We must follow what Quran, and sunnah sets forward.
Jews and Christians you mentioned eat pig, yet in their very book they believe in to be from God, it tells them clearly to not to eat it and to not even touch it, it is unclean!

Hasan


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