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Topic: What did Prophet Muhammad prophecy?
Posted By: Shibboleth
Subject: What did Prophet Muhammad prophecy?
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 6:15pm

A prophet by definition is one who can predict future events.  

 What did Muhammad prophecy to make you believe he is a prophet?

What prophecies of his came true?

 



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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by Shibboleth

A prophet by definition is one who can predict future events.  

 

 

An answer is only as good as the question. Why must a prophet necessarily predict future events and by what standard have you formed your definition? (you can deny it and you may be correct, but the wording in your question and its presumption at its bases rings of a evangelical)


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Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 7:34pm

The question is 'what did Muhammad prophecy' The definition only runs concurrent with it's meaning. It's the question that's requires an answer.


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“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)


Posted By: Nazarene
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 8:05pm
salaams
this is from MSN ENCARTA ON LINE
 
proph·et [ http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/Pronounce.aspx?search=prophet - próffət ] (plural proph·ets)


noun 
Definition:
 
1. somebody who interprets divine will: somebody who claims to interpret or transmit the commands of a deity

2. somebody predicting the future: somebody who predicts the future
prophets of economic doom

3. advocate of something: somebody who advocates a cause or idea

4. inspired leader: somebody considered to be an inspired leader or teacher
 
I BELIEVE MUHAMMAD FITS RIGHT IN TO SEVERAL DEFINITIONS OF A PROPHET
 
ALL SO IF YOU CAPITALIZE THE "P" TO MAKE IT A PROPER NOUN YOU'LL GET THIS DEFINITION ALSO FROM ENCARTA ONLINE:
 
Proph·et [ http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/Pronounce.aspx?search=prophet - próffət ]


noun 
Definition:
 
1. Muhammad: Muhammad, the founder of Islam

2. founder of Latter Day Saints: Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
 
SEEMS MUHAMMAD IS THE FIRST DEFINITION FOR " P"rophet
 
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Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 8:41pm
What did Muhammad prophecy to make you believe he is a prophet?
What prophecies of his came true?

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“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)


Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:48pm
Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) came with so many prophecies in Quran and sunnah , that mentioned events in the past which were not known to him/his society, events that occurred during his life and events that occured afterward

Example of prophecies that spoke of past events :

He told the story of Joseph and his brothers in details that weren't even known to the jews of his time ( Please refer to surah Yusuf ( 12 )

He told the story of how Zakaria was elected to be the caretaker of Mariam

He told the stories he was asked about by the people of Quraish ( from an advice by the jews in AlMadina to test him ) , of the young people who went to the cave , and the king who ruled big parts of land ( Zul Qarnain )
( Please refer to surah Al Kahf ( 18 )

Example of prophecies that occurred during his life :

He told of the deaths on Nagashi ( kind of Habasha ( Sudan ) ) the same day he died , an event that would take weeks to arrive by the communication methods available by this time

He told about the defeat of the romans by the persians , and that a few days later they will defeat the persians again

He even mentioned a geographical information that couldn't possible be known by this time , which is that the place where the battle took place is the lowest land point on earth which is the dead see

http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/earth/lowest-point-on-earth/


He told of the winning of the battle of Badr , he even pointed in the battle field to places where certain people would die , which were found dead where
he pointed

He told of the death of his uncle ( abu lahab ) and his wife without believing in him

Example of prophecies that happened after his life :

He told of muslims entering Egypt

He told of muslims entering Yemen , Sham ( which is currently what is Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine ) , then Iraq , and the exact order each will be entered

He told that Othman will be killed

He told of Ammar ibn Yasir to be killed

He told of how his name/remembrance will be famous

Quran says : 094.004 : And exalted thy fame

The name Muhammad is the most popular first name on earth
The name Muhammad is said out loud 5 times a day in every mosque in the world in Azan , and in every muslim's prayer

With time differences , and the semi-spherical nature of our earth , this means that there's no second that passes without his name ( PBUH ) being said thousands if not millions of times

This makes him by far the most mentioned person on earth

No one from those who were rich, powerful and famous who lived during his times is still knowing or famous , except because of a relation to him

Quran says :
15:9 : We have, without doubt, sent down the Message ( Quran ); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). 

Today , Quran is the most read book in the world , no other book is being memorized the same way muslim memorize Quran ( not only on the chapter , word and letter level , but on the level of vocal performance of each letter )

it's the only book that I know of that survived change or versioning over the years 

These are mere examples the list on each category ( as well as other categories , such as scientific ) can be very long

Regards



Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:18am
Originally posted by Shibboleth


The question is 'what did Muhammad prophecy' The definition only runs concurrent with it's meaning. It's the question that's requires an answer.
I know the question, what you the questioner does not know is that your question is fallacious. Maybe I need to be more bold and direct so that even you can pick up on this:Prove the assumption in your question.
 
Until then, your question is worthless. Is this forward enough for you?


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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:20am
Originally posted by Shibboleth

What did Muhammad prophecy to make you believe he is a prophet?
What prophecies of his came true?
Prove that a prophet must nessecarily give a prophecy to be a prophet?
 
Prophets only need to have proof of their mediation between God and man...which may include signs or even miracles, but does not have to give a prophecy, though prophecy may be one of the signs.


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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
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Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:45am
I agree with brother Andalus that the word "prophet" does not necessarily mean exclusively "one who prophesies".  The word does have other connotations.  However, I also think that brother (or sister?) Meditations has shown that Muhammad (pbuh) does fit into Shibboleth's rather basic definition of the word.


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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:02am
Originally posted by islamispeace

I agree with brother Andalus that the word "prophet" does not necessarily mean exclusively "one who prophesies".  The word does have other connotations.  However, I also think that brother (or sister?) Meditations has shown that Muhammad (pbuh) does fit into Shibboleth's rather basic definition of the word.
Absolutely! Prophecy was amongst the signs that the prophet gave to prove his authority. But I have so many problems with the assumption buried in the question. It should be argued, not just asserted.

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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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http://www.pt-go.com/


Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by Andalus

Absolutely! Prophecy was amongst the signs that the prophet gave to prove his authority. But I have so many problems with the assumption buried in the question. It should be argued, not just asserted.


Definitions , and words in general are packages for the meaning it contains,

one word's meaning for someone could mean a very different thing for another
you either establish a common definition ground , or bypass this step and agree ( temporarily ) with the other's definition to cut it short

Not sure if discussing the definition of a Prophet would result in a common ground , for in the end each party can stick to their own definition and insist on it

This is why one of the rules of debating , that there're no hassle/spat in definitions , of it's only a package for the meaning it contains

That said, you do have a point, for which I think a post on the islamic definition of

a Prophet
a Messanger
Differences between the two, if any, and examples of each
would be quite useful

Any volunteers ?
If none, I'll try to do it in shaa Allah , when time permits

AsSalam Alaykoum


Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:26pm

The Bible clearly tells us that the Prophets are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael. In fact, the Qur'an tells us in Sura 29:27:

And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. This verse says nothing of Ishmael, or of any Prophets descending from him. Furthermore, the Quran itself states that Jesus was a Prophet but the Bible does not state that Muhammad was a Prophet.

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Deuteronomy 18: 20-22

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” When the prophet speaks in the Name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.”**

Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)



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“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)


Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by Meditations

Originally posted by Andalus

Absolutely! Prophecy was amongst the signs that the prophet gave to prove his authority. But I have so many problems with the assumption buried in the question. It should be argued, not just asserted.


Definitions , and words in general are packages for the meaning it contains,

one word's meaning for someone could mean a very different thing for another
you either establish a common definition ground , or bypass this step and agree ( temporarily ) with the other's definition to cut it short

Not sure if discussing the definition of a Prophet would result in a common ground , for in the end each party can stick to their own definition and insist on it

This is why one of the rules of debating , that there're no hassle/spat in definitions , of it's only a package for the meaning it contains

That said, you do have a point, for which I think a post on the islamic definition of

a Prophet
a Messanger
Differences between the two, if any, and examples of each
would be quite useful

Any volunteers ?
If none, I'll try to do it in shaa Allah , when time permits

AsSalam Alaykoum
 
 
The fallacy was in the question, with an assumption buried in its premis. So it was not a matter of finding common ground in and of itself, it was a matter of the person to "clear up the fallacy". This needs to be done in order to proceed on any real discussion on prophethood.
 
The questioner obviously has a christian perspective of prophethood, which differs from the Judaic tradition, which is another point that could be brought out once the question was clarified and would allow the questioner to have a chance to broden their horizons.
 
I will include a link that goes into the idea of prophethood in the Islamic tradition. It is from classical sources. Keep in mind this differs from the Judaic notion which holds that the peson's message has something to do with Israel.
 
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/ - http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/
 
 
 


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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
http://www.pt-go.com/


Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by Shibboleth


The Bible clearly tells us that the Prophets are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael.

 
Completely inaccurate. The bible does not exclude Ishmael from having a direct relaitonship with God, or to act as an intermediary between God and man. Since Ishmael would not have a role in the foundation of Israel in the Judaic tradition, then obviously he would not be a Judaic Prophet within the conext of that definition,
 
 
In fact, the Qur'an tells us in Sura 29:27:

And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. This verse says nothing of Ishmael, or of any Prophets descending from him. Furthermore, the Quran itself states that Jesus was a Prophet but the Bible does not state that Muhammad was a Prophet.

Who cares, and why does it matter? The Quran states the Ishmael is a prophet, 19:54,55. Poor soul, you believe you are throwing daggers at us....these are just helium ballons. But if your dellusion makes you happy, then I am happy.
 
 
 
 
Deuteronomy 18: 20-22

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” When the prophet speaks in the Name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.”**

Muhamad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)

Could you back up your "assertion" with proof? Now this will require you to actually write and not paste. Back up your claim and tell us the falsehood that Prophet Muhammad spoke.
 
You JWs really bug me with this name game. You all give me a headache. If you guys could only see how idiotic your rants are. I am not worried about what His name is or isn't, if you want to act a fool that is your free choice. What I want is for you to back up your claims. If we use this verse from the bible, Paul should have been put to death.


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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
http://www.pt-go.com/


Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 1:38am
Originally posted by Andalus

Originally posted by Shibboleth


The Bible clearly tells us that the Prophets are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael.

 
Completely inaccurate. The bible does not exclude Ishmael from having a direct relaitonship with God, or to act as an intermediary between God and man. Since Ishmael would not have a role in the foundation of Israel in the Judaic tradition, then obviously he would not be a Judaic Prophet within the conext of that definition,
 
 
In fact, the Qur'an tells us in Sura 29:27:

And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. This verse says nothing of Ishmael, or of any Prophets descending from him. Furthermore, the Quran itself states that Jesus was a Prophet but the Bible does not state that Muhammad was a Prophet.

Who cares, and why does it matter? The Quran states the Ishmael is a prophet, 19:54,55. Poor soul, you believe you are throwing daggers at us....these are just helium ballons. But if your dellusion makes you happy, then I am happy.
 
 
 
 
Deuteronomy 18: 20-22

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” When the prophet speaks in the Name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.”**

Muhamad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)

Could you back up your "assertion" with proof? Now this will require you to actually write and not paste. Back up your claim and tell us the falsehood that Prophet Muhammad spoke.
 
You JWs really bug me with this name game. You all give me a headache. If you guys could only see how idiotic your rants are. I am not worried about what His name is or isn't, if you want to act a fool that is your free choice. What I want is for you to back up your claims. If we use this verse from the bible, Paul should have been put to death.


Indeed! Paul should have been put to death immediately.

The man should have run back straight to Jerusalem, after the 'scales' had been removed from his eyes. to report to the elders. And the elders should have finished him off.

Salaams
BMZ



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Posted By: Meditations
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 2:19am
Originally posted by Andalus

I will include a link that goes into the idea of prophethood in the Islamic tradition. It is from classical sources. Keep in mind this differs from the Judaic notion which holds that the peson's message has something to do with Israel.
 
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/ - http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/
 


Ofcourse it's different , I wanted to post the 'islamic' definition , for anyone who's interested

The link doesn't seem to work, does it work for you?

AsSalam Alaykoum


Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 24 August 2009 at 9:07pm
""Muhamad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)""

Deuteronomy 18: 20-22

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of OTHER gods, that prophet must die.



Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."

Correction. Some impostor name Gabriel. Perhaps the one who deceived Eve? God would not touch it with a 10 foot pole.



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“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)


Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 25 August 2009 at 11:48am

The question is what did Muhammad prophecy that came true?


Furthermore Ishmael NEVER said that he was a Prophet and the 12 tribes of Ishmael NEVER said he was. Everyone is putting words into his mouth. In that case why not accept Wallace D. Fard Muhammad
or Elijah Mohammad as the last prophet? After all everyone else is jumping on the band-wagon.  



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“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)


Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:41am
Originally posted by Shibboleth

The question is what did Muhammad prophecy that came true?


Furthermore Ishmael NEVER said that he was a Prophet and the 12 tribes of Ishmael NEVER said he was. Everyone is putting words into his mouth. In that case why not accept Wallace D. Fard Muhammad
or Elijah Mohammad as the last prophet? After all everyone else is jumping on the band-wagon.  

 
I am amused at the question given that your religion is based upon the non-fulfillment of prophecy.
 
Did I miss the Book or Gospel of Ishmael in the Bible?
 
 


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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:44am
"Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."

Correction. Some impostor name Gabriel. Perhaps the one who deceived Eve?
God would not touch it with a 10 foot pole."
 
Welcome to the bandwagon.

"In that case why not accept Wallace D. Fard Muhammad or Elijah Mohammad as the last prophet? After all everyone else is jumping on the band-wagon"

 




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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:56am
Originally posted by Shibboleth


The Bible clearly tells us that the Prophets are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael. In fact, the Qur'an tells us in Sura 29:27:

And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. This verse says nothing of Ishmael, or of any Prophets descending from him. Furthermore, the Quran itself states that Jesus was a Prophet but the Bible does not state that Muhammad was a Prophet.

***

Deuteronomy 18: 20-22

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” When the prophet speaks in the Name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.”**

Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)

 
Aren't you arguing on another thread that the Prophet Mohammed was not of the lineage of Ishmael?


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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 6:47am
There are a few repeat threads here...  lol

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Posted By: Mansoor_ali
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:03am
Originally posted by Shibboleth


The Bible clearly tells us that the Prophets are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael. In fact, the Qur'an tells us in Sura 29:27:

And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. This verse says nothing of Ishmael, or of any Prophets descending from him. Furthermore, the Quran itself states that Jesus was a Prophet but the Bible does not state that Muhammad was a Prophet.

***

Deuteronomy 18: 20-22

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” When the prophet speaks in the Name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.”**

Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)

 
 Even your own christian priests admit the prophet Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible.
 
 Click http://islamicweb.com/?folder=bible - here to know the truth .
 
 


Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by Hayfa

There are a few repeat threads here...  lol
 
It wasn't even a repeat, he is arguing the opposite side.  Good grief!


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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by Meditations

Originally posted by Andalus

I will include a link that goes into the idea of prophethood in the Islamic tradition. It is from classical sources. Keep in mind this differs from the Judaic notion which holds that the peson's message has something to do with Israel.
 
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/ - http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Proof_of_Prophethood/
 


Ofcourse it's different , I wanted to post the 'islamic' definition , for anyone who's interested

The link doesn't seem to work, does it work for you?

AsSalam Alaykoum
Yes Br, the link works for me. You can go to the http://www.hizmetbooks.org - www.hizmetbooks.org site and click on the book proof of prophethood.

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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
http://www.pt-go.com/


Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

Originally posted by Shibboleth


The Bible clearly tells us that the Prophets are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael. In fact, the Qur'an tells us in Sura 29:27:

And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. This verse says nothing of Ishmael, or of any Prophets descending from him. Furthermore, the Quran itself states that Jesus was a Prophet but the Bible does not state that Muhammad was a Prophet.

***

Deuteronomy 18: 20-22

“‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my Name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” When the prophet speaks in the Name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.”**

Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah not in the name of Jehovah-Hebrew (YHWH)

 
Aren't you arguing on another thread that the Prophet Mohammed was not of the lineage of Ishmael?
Good catch. I will delete anything from the paster that devles into topics of the other thread so that we make sure the topic is constructive. This is actually an interesting topic if it goes as it should. I will try and look into this thread at least everyother day to watch it.

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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
http://www.pt-go.com/



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