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Topic: virgin birth
Posted By: jr87
Subject: virgin birth
Date Posted: 07 June 2009 at 3:04pm
is it true that muslims regard jesus being born from a virgin birth...
or is this just a story, to add that 'miracle' to jesus' character...


im sorry i cant cite this, but ive read that from old translation doesn't necessarily say anywhere that Mary was in fact a virgin...
maybe just that she was a pure soul? a very devout person?>

can someone explain this story. and with translations..

just on my viewpoint..I find it a very difficult story to believe.. as scientifically we know that someone cannot get pregnant without having sex- unless it is this age where other methods are now available-

any help on this matter..
it is stories such as this and the noahs ark..and etc..that I have troubles with to comprehend...






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Posted By: Nazarene
Date Posted: 08 June 2009 at 8:46pm
salaams
 
   glad you here and i think it is wonderful that you ask questions. how can we learn and grow without them.
   as for the " virgin birth " it could not have happend any other way. you see allah did not only speak directly to jesus he also spoke though him. to do so allah needs a pure being without sin . with moses god spoke though a bush. that bush was a pure creation without sin unblemished. so it is with jesus.
     allah created the perfect human one without sin unblemished in which his presence could exsist to personaly deliver the message.
     allah created all things, and as you can see when you look around you it is a simple thing of him. you know come to think of it you'll never find " scientific " proof  that allah doesn't exsit. or even that " evolution " is responsible for the BEES. CONTEMPLATE "THE BEES." 
 
     as for the flood, i don't recall that the Qu'ran stated that the " whole world " was involved. just the region or " land " of noah and his people.{ look under this topic in " Prophets: adam,noah,abraham}
love
leland


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love for all conquers all


Posted By: jr87
Date Posted: 09 June 2009 at 7:29pm
thank you for your response..
i was hoping for more than one but hopefully more ppl will respond as well!


I understand what you're saying, but I dont get why he would need a 'pure soul' im confused- because all other prophets were just regular human beings born of natural birth as well..
like the prophet muhammad- he was born of a natural birth, and he wasnt without sin correct?..
i dont remember reading anywhere that he was perfect, but had imperfections like evry1 else.


So i dont see the actual significance of the virgin birth, significant yes if it was true, but i just have a very hard time believing it.

I know that we cant prove it
ah, I guess i am digging into a cement brick wall with my hand.. lol.

But i guess i got my initial answer- that yes muslims believe in the virgin birth.

if any1 has anything to add please feel free.
give the agnostic some dawah people...lol



Posted By: Natassia
Date Posted: 21 July 2009 at 12:13pm
I was wondering if Muslims could explain (according to the Quran and Hadith) HOW exactly Mary became impregnated.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 26 July 2009 at 7:45am
Hi JR87,

Salam (peace) be to you.

As requested here is the link from one of my favourite websites -

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/the_virgin_birth.htm



 





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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nazarene
Date Posted: 26 July 2009 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by Natassia

I was wondering if Muslims could explain (according to the Quran and Hadith) HOW exactly Mary became impregnated.
salaams
Allah/God simply said BE and it was.
leland


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love for all conquers all


Posted By: UmmFatima
Date Posted: 02 March 2010 at 7:28am

019.016
YUSUFALI: Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.
PICKTHAL: And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
SHAKIR: And mention Marium in the Book when she drew aside from her family to an eastern place;

019.017
YUSUFALI: She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
PICKTHAL: And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.
SHAKIR: So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and there appeared to her a well-made man.

019.018
YUSUFALI: She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
PICKTHAL: She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing.
SHAKIR: She said: Surely I fly for refuge from you to the Beneficent Allah, if you are one guarding (against evil).

019.019
YUSUFALI: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
PICKTHAL: He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
SHAKIR: He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy.

019.020
YUSUFALI: She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
PICKTHAL: She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
SHAKIR: She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?

019.021
YUSUFALI: He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
PICKTHAL: He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
SHAKIR: He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.

019.022
YUSUFALI: So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
PICKTHAL: And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.
SHAKIR: So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place.

019.023
YUSUFALI: And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
PICKTHAL: And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
SHAKIR: And the throes (of childbirth) compelled her to betake herself to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!

019.024
YUSUFALI: But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
PICKTHAL: Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
SHAKIR: Then (the child) called out to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely your Lord has made a stream to flow beneath you;

019.025
YUSUFALI: "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
PICKTHAL: And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
SHAKIR: And shake towards you the trunk of the palmtree, it will drop on you fresh ripe dates:

019.026
YUSUFALI: "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"
PICKTHAL: So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.
SHAKIR: So eat and drink and refresh the eye. Then if you see any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent Allah, so I shall not speak to any man today.

019.027
YUSUFALI: At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
PICKTHAL: Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
SHAKIR: And she came to her people with him, carrying him (with her). They said: O Marium! surely you have done a strange thing.

019.028
YUSUFALI: "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
PICKTHAL: O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
SHAKIR: O sister of Haroun! your father was not a bad man, nor, was your mother an unchaste woman.

019.029
YUSUFALI: But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
PICKTHAL: Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
SHAKIR: But she pointed to him. They said: How should we speak to one who was a child in the cradle?

019.030
YUSUFALI: He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
PICKTHAL: He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
SHAKIR: He said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet;

019.031
YUSUFALI: "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
PICKTHAL: And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive,
SHAKIR: And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live;

019.032
YUSUFALI: "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
PICKTHAL: And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
SHAKIR: And dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me insolent, unblessed;

019.033
YUSUFALI: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
PICKTHAL: Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
SHAKIR: And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.

019.034
YUSUFALI: Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
PICKTHAL: Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.
SHAKIR: Such is Isa, son of Marium; (this is) the saying of truth about which they dispute.

019.035
YUSUFALI: It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
PICKTHAL: It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
SHAKIR: It beseems not Allah that He should take to Himself a ! son, glory to be Him; when He has decreed a matter He only says to it "Be," and it is.

019.036
YUSUFALI: Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.
PICKTHAL: And lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path.
SHAKIR: And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the right path.



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“Our Lord! Grant us comfort in our spouses and descendants, and make us leaders of the God-fearing.” -Al-Furqan 74


Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 10 March 2011 at 7:44pm
Originally posted by jr87

is it true that muslims regard jesus being born from a virgin birth...
or is this just a story, to add that 'miracle' to jesus' character...


im sorry i cant cite this, but ive read that from old translation doesn't necessarily say anywhere that Mary was in fact a virgin...
maybe just that she was a pure soul? a very devout person?>

can someone explain this story. and with translations..

just on my viewpoint..I find it a very difficult story to believe.. as scientifically we know that someone cannot get pregnant without having sex- unless it is this age where other methods are now available-

any help on this matter..
it is stories such as this and the noahs ark..and etc..that I have troubles with to comprehend...



 
 
 
 
Is The Y Chromosome A Defecr Of The X ?  Scientists Today Have Discoved That The Y Chromosome In Sperm Has 2.8 Percent Less Genetic Material Than The X Chromosome In The Same Sperm Specimen . Researchers Were Able To Sift Sperm To Produce Samples In Which 85 Percent Of The Cells Had An X Chromosome . In Facr , The X Chromosome Is Five Times Larger Than The  Y Chromosome ,
 
 Which Means That Female Existed  For Generations Without Males . To Get The Y Chromosome Out Of An X Chromosome , You Lose One Of Your Points , Thus The Chromosome  Is Defected , Which Is Why A Man  Has The Same Components On His Body , That The Woman  Does . For Example , The Breast  And Nipples , However  Men Don't Breastfeed .  Men  Are Genetic  Of  Women  . 
 
 A Woman Not Only Breastfeeds  Her Children , But She Nurtures The Whole World With Her Wisdom . This Is Seen In The Mother Child  Statue Of  Ancient Tama - Re Of The Seat  Woman Breastfeeding The Child  , Who Not Only Symboizes A Woman  But Wear The Horn Of The Bull. So , She Take On The Role Of Woman  And Man .  Or A Symbol Of Hathor  And Re  .
 
  So How Does This Mean That Woman Came First ? To Find The First Being , Anthropologists Had To Use 147 Pregnant Women  To Donate Their Babies Placentas To Science . Why The Placenta  , The Placenta  Is The Easiest Way To Get Large  Samples Of Body Tissue These Biologists  Selected  Women  In America With Ancestors From Africa ,  Europe ,  The Middle East   And Asia  , The Placentas  Were Gathered And Frozen .
 
The Tissues  Were Ground In Souped Up Warrring Blender , Spun In A Centrifuge , Mixed With Cell -Breaking Detergent , Dyed Fluorescent And Spun In A Centrifuge Again . The Result Was A Clear Liquid Containing Pure DNA . This Was The DNA In The Nucleus Of The Babies Cells . This DNA Came From Outside The Nucleus , In A Compartment Of The Cell Called The Mitochondrion  Which Produces Neary All The Energy To Keep The Cell Alive .
 
What Is The Meaning Of The Word Mitochondrion ?  The Word Mitochondrion  Is From  New Latin ; Greek  mitos , warp thread + Greek khondros , diminutive of  Khondrs , Meaning '' Grain , Granule '' ,  So Am I  Saying That If A Couple Doesn't Have A Daugther , Then Their Genes Disappear ?   That Is Absolutely Correct  .  If A  Woman Fails To Have A Daughter Her Genes Disappear , Because The Mitochondria DNA Does Not Pass On . 
 
The Same Way You Are Taught That A Family Name Disappears If A Son Is Not Born , So It Is With Mitochondrion  This Was A Deliberate  Attempt By Men To Suppress The Dominating Gene In Women , By Placing The Philosophy That Without A Son , The Family Lineage Dies  .  This Is Not True ,  If A Daughter  Is Not Born In The Family , Then Your Genes  Disappear ,  Because The Mitochondrion DNA Can Only Be Inherited By The Female Of The Family .
 


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El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) .


Posted By: Dmore
Date Posted: 21 August 2011 at 2:21pm
If we believe that God is the creator of all things, is it a stretch to believe that a virgin can conceive with man's involvement. What makes a miracle a miracle is that it is inconceivable in man's mind.

Dmore  



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