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CRITICAL STUDY OF SHIRK

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Topic: CRITICAL STUDY OF SHIRK
Posted By: `A`MEEN ADUR
Subject: CRITICAL STUDY OF SHIRK
Date Posted: 21 March 2009 at 9:47am
DOES THE NONE BELIEVERS UNDERSTAND WHY THE MUSLIM CALL THEM KUFFAR? A BELIEVER IS ONLY ALLOWED TO CALL A NON BELIEVER A KAFIR, ONLY WHEN CERTAIN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED ABOUT THEIR WORSHIP. KUFFAR IS AN ARABIC WORD WHICH MEANS TO COVER, AS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THE HAQQ (TRUTH) IS BRAUGHT TO THEM THEY OPEN HEARTEDLY DENY IT. NOW LETS GET TO THE TOPIC AT HAND (SHIRK) THE WORD COMES FROM THE WORD MUSHRIKEN, NOW FOR THOSE GOD CONCIOUS PEOPLE  WHO CALL THEMSELVES BELIEVERS, THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS,CATHOLICS,BAPTIST AND ECT.   
 
WHAT IS SHIRK?Clap  



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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 01 June 2009 at 7:33am
Originally posted by `A`MEEN ADUR

........THE TOPIC AT HAND (SHIRK) THE WORD COMES FROM THE WORD MUSHRIKEN,..................
'MUSHRIKEEN' is the plural of the word 'MUSHRIK' and  'MUSHRIK' is one who commits 'SHIRK'
Originally posted by `A`MEEN ADUR

WHAT IS SHIRK?
Shirk literally means partnership, sharing or associating, but Islamically it refers to the act of assigning partners to Allaah in whatever form it may take.
 
Allaah has attested grave importance to the topic of Shirk in the Qur'aan,

"Surely Allaah will not forgive the association of partners (Shirk) with Him, but He forgives (sins) less than that of whomever He wishes."

[Soorah an-Nisaa, 4:48.]

Because the sin of Shirk denies the very purpose of man's creation, it is to God the gravest of sins; the unforgivable sin.

If the above point is clear we shall discuss the main ways in which Shirk can occur in the areas of
  1. Ruboobeeyah (Lordship),
  2. Asmaa was-Sifaat (Divine Names and Attributes) and 
  3. 'Ebaadah (Worship).

Waiting for your response Insha Allah.

 


Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 01 June 2009 at 7:40am
There are many threads on same subject..

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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 01 June 2009 at 7:45am
Originally posted by Hayfa

There are many threads on same subject..
So?


Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 01 June 2009 at 6:11pm
So, make a search and read those discussions.
 
By the way, why don't we discuss the kind of shirks, [Major and Minor} ones, we Muslims are proned to get into. Insha Allah, it shall help us check ourselves and we try to abstain from such acts.
 
 


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 03 June 2009 at 8:12am
Originally posted by seekshidayath

...... By the way, why don't we discuss the kind of shirks, [Major and Minor} ones, we Muslims are proned to get into. .........
Ok, let us take up the different kinds one by one.

Shirk in Ruboobeeyah

This category of Shirk refers to either

the belief that others share Allaah's Lordship over creation as His equal or near equal,

or

to the belief that there exists no Lord over creation at all.

Most religious systems fall into the first aspect of Shirk in Ruboobeeyah while it is the philosophers and their man-made philosophies who tend to fill the second aspect.

(A) Shirk by Association

Beliefs which fall under this sub-category are ones in which

a main God or Supreme Being over creation is recognized,

however

His dominion is shared by other lesser gods, spirits, mortals, heavenly bodies or earthly objects.

Such belief systems are commonly referred to by theologians and philosophers as either monotheistic (having one God) or polytheistic (having more than one God).

According to Islaam, all of these systems are polytheistic and many represent various degrees in the degeneration of divinely revealed religious systems all of which were originally based on Tawheed.

Among some Muslim people, Shirk in Ruboobeeyah is manifested in their belief

that the souls of saints and other righteous humans can affect the affairs of this world, even after their deaths.

Their souls, it is believed, can fulfill one's needs, remove calamities and aid whoever calls on them.

Therefore, grave worshippers assign to human souls the divine ability to cause events in this life which in fact only Allaah can cause.

Common among many Sufis (Muslim mystics) is the belief in "Rijaal al-Ghayb",

http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm/lfn71 - [ Literally, "men of the unseen world". The world is supposed to endure due to the intercessions of a hierarchy of "averting" Saints whose number are fixed, the place of one who dies being immediately filled. (Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam, p.582).]

chief of whom occupies the station called "Qutub" from which the affairs of this world are governed. http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm/lfn72 - [Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam, pp.55.]

(B) Shirk by Negation

This sub-category represents the various philosophies and ideologies which deny the existence of God either explicitly or implicitly. That is,

in some cases God's non-existence is stated (Atheism),

while in other cases His existence is claimed,

but the way in which He is conceived actually denies His existence (Pantheism).

An example of this form of Shirk among some Muslims is that of many Sufis like Ibn 'Arabee who claim that only Allaah exists (All is Allaah, and Allaah is all). They deny the separate existence of Allaah and thereby in fact deny His existence.

We shall take up the next category of Shirk soon Insha Allah.



Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 05 June 2009 at 9:12am
And seekshidayath,

You were talking of Major and Minor forms of Shirk. Is there any mention anywhere in the Qur'an/Sunnah that Minor Shirk is exempt from the purview of the Rule that 'Allah will not forgive the sin of Shirk'?


Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 05 June 2009 at 10:56pm

As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,

JazakAllahu khayr for this question. Brother, as we all know that Shirk is a major sin {Gunah-e-Kabirah} be it in minor or major form . Its unforgivable. But at the same time, we shud n't forget that Allah swt is the Al-Ghafoor { The Great Forgiver}. He forgives all of our sins, when we repent. Our other kind of sins will be forgiven by His Mercy while we get accounted on the day of Judgement. But Shirk is amongst those Major sins, which is not forgiven by Allah swt, if that believer, does n't seek forgiveness from Allah swt.

Major and Minor forms of shirk are classified by our scholars for easy understanding of this concept. We believers are likely to commit shirk.

The forms of shirk mentioned by you above, {ruboobiyyah,uloohiyyah and al-asma’ wa’l-sifaat are major Shirk.

A muslim when commits the above form of shirk, and displays outwardly, then he is a mushrik. If he limits his intentions of shirk, with himself { within his heart, he associates,others to Allah swt}, then he is a mushrik inward.

Minor Shirk : This form of shirk leads to Major shirk.

The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The thing that I fear most for you is minor shirk.” They said: “O Messenger of Allah, what is minor shirk?” He said: “Showing off, for Allah will say on the Day when people are recompensed for their actions: ‘Go to those for whom you were showing off with your deeds in the world, and see what reward you find with them.’” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah.

Ar-Riyaa , show off is also a form of shirk, into which may get into.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Incantations, amulets and love spells are shirk.”  - Abu Dawud.

Abu Dawood (3910) narrated from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Tiyarah superstitious belief in omens) is shirk, tiyarah is shirk,” three times, and there is no one among us but (will have some of that) but Allaah will rid him of it by means of tawakkul (putting his trust in Allaah). {Extract from Islam-qa}

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught to his companions when he said to them: “Shirk among you will be more subtle than the footsteps of an ant, but I will teach you something which, if you do it, both minor and major shirk will be kept away from you.

Say: Allaahumma inni a’oodhu bika an ushrika bika wa ana a’lam wa astaghfiruka lima la a’lam (O Allah, I seek refuge with You from associating anything with You knowingly, and I seek Your forgiveness for that of which I am unaware).”

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3731

We believers, shud try our best to stay away from shirk. One who gets involved in major shirk, if judged by scholars, then he becomes a mushrik. While when believers, get into minor shirk, {Many of us tend to fall into this category}, then he is not out of folds of Islam, but still commits major sin.

Another form of minor shirk, which we are likely to get into is, loving others more than Allah swt. We all know that a believers heart loves Allah swt the most, and His messenger. {You must be remembering that hadith wherein Prophet {Pbuh} asked Umar RA of his state of heart} This hadith as well as an ayah from Quran { Al-Imran} teaches us to love Allah swt and His messnger the most than anyone. If else love exceeds, then its a form of shirk.

As said, above, ar-Riyaa [Show-off} is also a form of shirk.This is also a serious form, into which we may fall. {May Allah swt save us from committing any form of shirk.

This were the things i wished to discuss that we muslims remind eachother .



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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 06 June 2009 at 8:14am
Originally posted by seekshidayath

...............Shirk is a major sin {Gunah-e-Kabirah} be it in minor or major form . ...........is not forgiven by Allah swt, if that believer, does n't seek forgiveness from Allah swt.

Major and Minor forms of shirk are classified by our scholars for easy understanding of this concept. .........................

Wa Alaikum Assalam wa Rahmatullah.
 
Jazakallahu khair sister. That was a detailed explanation.
 
Let us continue with our discussion on other forms of shirk.

Shirk in al-Asmaa was-Sifaat

Shirk in this category includes:

  • the common pagan practice of giving Allaah the attributes of His creation
as well as:
  • the act of giving created beings Allaah's names and attributes.

(A) Shirk by Humanization

In this aspect of Shirk in al-Asmaa was-Sifaat, Allaah is given the form and qualities of human beings and animals.

Due to man's superiority over animals, the human form is more commonly used by idolaters to represent God in creation.
 
Consequently, the image of the Creator is often painted, moulded or carved in the shape of human beings possessing the physical features of those who worship them.

(B) Shirk by Deification

This form of Shirk in al-Asmaa was-Sifaat relates to cases where created beings or things are given or claim Allaah's names or His attributes.

For example, it was the practice of the ancient Arabs to worship idols whose names were derived from the names of Allaah.
Their main three idols were: al-Laat taken from Allaah's name al-Elaah, al-'Uzza taken from al-'Azeez and al-Manaat taken from al-Mannaan.
 
During the Prophet Muhammad's era there was also a false prophet in a region of Arabia called Yamaamah, who took the name Rahmaan which only belongs to Allaah.

Among the Shi'ite sects is the Nusayreeyah of Syria, who believe that the Prophet Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law, 'Alee ibn Abee Taalib, was a manifestation of Allaah and give him many of Allaah's qualities.

Among them is also the Ismai'ils also know as Agha Khanis who consider their leader, the Agha Khan, to be God incarnate.
 
Also included in this category are the Druze of Lebanon who believe that the Faatimid Caliph al-Haakim bi Amrillaah, was the last manifestation of Allaah among mankind.

Claims of Sufis (muslim mystics) like al-Hallaaj that they have become one with God and as such exist as manifestations of the Creator within His creation may also be included in this aspect of Shirk in al-Asmaa was-sifaat.



Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 06 June 2009 at 11:15am
As Salamu Alaikum,
 
Let me correct myselves. As said, above shirk in any form, be it minor or major shirk is unforgivable. Here at this point am to correct that, the sins of shirk wherein Allah swt mentioned in the Qur'an as  unforgivable deal with only major forms of shirk, not the minor ones. .
 
Allaahumma inni a’oodhu bika an ushrika bika wa ana a’lam wa astaghfiruka lima la a’lam
 
 


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 07 June 2009 at 6:17am
I am not Catholic but this reminds me of the Catholic system of veneal [minor sins] and mortal sins [major sins].
 
I believe any sin is bad whether tiny or large it saddens GOD.
 
'A BELIEVER IS ONLY ALLOWED TO CALL A NON BELIEVER A KAFIR, ONLY WHEN CERTAIN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED ABOUT THEIR WORSHIP'
 
Non-believers can ask us anything- there is nothing that is secret and as far as I am aware no place where a non-believer would not be welcomed.
 
Questions are good - Funny how Muslims always say Christians have blind faith.  The Holy Bible actually speaks for a different proven faith.
 

Proverbs 14

 15 A simple man believes anything,

       but a prudent man gives thought to his steps

 

John 14

11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

 

1 Thessalonians 5

21Test everything. Hold on to the good.

 

Acts 17

11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

 

Never stop learning, questioning-

 

2 Timothy 2

15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.



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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 08 June 2009 at 8:50am
Originally posted by seekshidayath

As Salamu Alaikum,
 
.............. the sins of shirk wherein Allah swt mentioned in the Qur'an as  unforgivable deal with only major forms of shirk, not the minor ones. . 
Wa Alaikunm Assalam Wa Rahmatullah.
 
Jazakallahu Khair. Thanks for the claarification.
 
And there is no mention of any minor shirk in the first two categories fo Shirk discussed in my posts above but it is mentioned concerniong the third category namely,

Shirk In al-'Ebaadah

In this category of Shirk, acts of worship are directed to other than God and the reward for worship is sought from the creation instead of the Creator.

Shirk in al-'Ebaadah has two main aspects.

(A) Ash-Shirk al-Akbar (Major Shirk):

This form of Shirk occurs when any act of worship is directed to other than Allaah. It represents the most obvious form of idolatry which the prophets were specifically sent by Allaah to call the masses of mankind away from. This concept is supported by Allaah's statement in the Qur'aan:

"Surely we have sent to every nation a messenger saying, worship Allaah and avoid Taaghoot (false gods)"(Soorah an-Nahl, 16:36)

Taaghoot actually means anything which is worshipped along with Allaah or instead of Allaah. For example, love is a form of worship which, in its perfection, should only be directed to Allaah.
 
In Islaam, the love of God is expressed by total obedience to Him.
 
It is not the type of love which man naturally feels toward creation; towards parents, children, food, etc.
 
To direct that type of love towards God is to lower Him to the level of His creation which is Shirk in al-Asmaa was-Sifaat.
 
Love which is worship is the total surrender of one's will to God. Consequently, Allaah told the Prophet (saws) to tell the believers:

"Say: If you love Allaah, follow me and Allaah will love you." http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn84 - ( Soorah Aal'Imraan, 3:31.)

The Prophet (saws) also told his companions,

"None of you is a true believer until I become more beloved to him than his child, his father and the whole of mankind". http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn85 - ( Reported by Anas and collected by al-Bukhaaree (Sahih Bukhari (English- Arabic), vol.1, p.20, no.13) and Muslim (Sahih Muslim (English Trans.), vol.1, p.31, no.71).
Love of the Prophet (saws) is not based on his humanity but on the divine origin of his message.

Thus, like the love of Allaah, it is also expressed by total obedience to his commands.

Allaah said in the final revelation:

"Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allaah," (Soorah an-Nisaa, 4:80)

and

"Say: Obey Allaah and obey the Prophet..." http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn87 - ( Soorah Aal'Imraan, 3:32.)

If man allows the love of anything or anyone to come between himself and Allaah, then he has worshipped that thing.

In this way, money can become one's god or even one's desires could become a god. The Prophet (saws) said, 
"The worshipper of the Dirham will always be miserable" (Reported by al-Bukhaaree (Sahih Bukhari, (English-Arabic), vol.8, p.296, no.443).
and Allaah said in the Qur'aan

"Have you not seen the one who takes his desires as his god?" (Soorah al-Furqaan, 25:43.)

Much emphasis has been placed on the evils of Shirk in 'Ebaadah (worship) because it contradicts the very purpose of creation as expressed in Allaah's statement:

"I have not created Jinn or mankind except for my worship." (Soorah adh-Dhaariyaat, 51:56.)

Major Shirk represents the greatest act of rebellion against the Lord of the Universe, and is thus the ultimate sin.
 
It is a sin so great that it virtually cancels out all good a person may do and guarantees its perpetrator eternal damnation in Hell.
 
Consequently, false religion is based primarily on this form of Shirk.
All man-made systems in one way or another invite their followers to the worship of creation.
 
Christians are called upon to pray to a man, a Prophet of God named Jesus, whom they claim to have been God incarnate. Catholics among Christians pray to Mary as the "mother of God", to the angels like Michael who is honored on May 8 and September 29, Michaelmas Day, as St. Michael, http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn91 - ( William Halsey (ed.), Colliers Encyclopedia, (U.S.A: Crowell-Collier Educational Foundation; 1970, vol.16, p.110.) as well as to human saints, whether real or fictitious.

Muslims whose acts of worship fall into this category of Shirk are those who pray to Prophet Muhammad (saws) or to mystics in the Sufi hierarchy of saints believing that they can answer their prayers, though Allaah has clearly said in the Qur'aan:

"Say: Think to yourselves, if Allaah's punishment came upon you or the Final Hour, would you then call on other than Allaah? (Reply) if you are truthful." http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn92 - ( Soorah al-An'aam, 6:40.)

(B) Ash-Shirk al-Asghar (Minor Shirk):

Mabmood ibn Lubayd reported, "Allaah's messenger (saws) said:

"The thing I fear for you the most is ash-Shirk al-Asghar (minor shirk)." The companions asked "Oh! messenger of Allaah, what is minor Shirk?" He replied "Ar-Riyaa (showing off), for verily Allaah will say on the Day of Resurrection when people are receiving their rewards, 'Go to those for whom you were showing off in the material world and see if you can find any reward from them.'"  http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn93 - ( Reported by Ahmad. at-Tabaraanee and al-Bayhaqee in az-Zuhd. See Tayseer al-'Azeez al-Hameed, p.118.)
Mahmood ibn Lubayd also said,
"The Prophet (saws) came out and announced, 'O people, beware of secret Shirk!' The people asked, 'O messenger of Allaah, what is secret Shirk?' He replied, 'When a man gets up to pray and strives to beautify his prayer because people are looking at him; that is secret Shirk.'" http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn94 - ( Collected by Ibn Khuzaymah.)
Ar-Riyaa

Riyaa is the practise of performing any of the various forms of worship in order to be seen and praised by people.

This sin destroys all the benefits that lie in righteous deeds and brings on the one who commits it a serious punishment.
 
It is particularly dangerous, because it is natural for man to desire and enjoy the praise of his fellow men.
 
Doing religious acts to impress people or in order to be praised by them is, therefore, an evil which deserves man's utmost caution.
 
This danger is really significant to the believers whose goal is to make all of the acts of their lives religious acts dedicated to God.
 
In fact, the likelihood that knowledgable true believers would commit ash-Shirk al-Akbar is small, since its pitfalls are so obvious.
 
But, for the true believer like everyone else, the chance of committing Riyaa is great because it is so hidden. It only involves the simple act of changing one's intention.
 
The motivating forces behind it are also very strong, since it comes from man's inner nature. Ibn 'Abbaas alluded to this reality when he said,
 
"Shirk is more hidden than a black ant creeping on a black stone in the middle of a moonless night." http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn95 - ( Reported by Ibn Abee Haatim and quoted in Tayseer al-'Azeez al-Hameed, p. 587)

Thus, great care has to be taken to ensure that one's intentions begin pure and remain pure whenever righteous deeds are being done. In order to ensure this, the saying of Allaah's name is enjoined in Islaam before all acts of importance.

A series of Du'aas (informal prayers) have also been prescribed by the Prophet (saws) before and after all natural habits like eating, drinking, sleeping, sex, and even going to the toilet, in order to turn these everyday habits into acts of worship and develop in Muslims a keen awareness of Allaah. It is this awareness, called Taqwaa, which ultimately insures that intentions remain pure.

The Prophet (saws) also provided protection against the inevitable acts of Shirk by teaching certain specific prayers which may be said anytime. Abu Moosaa said, "One day Allaah's messenger delivered a sermon saying

'O people, fear Shirk for it is more hidden than the creeping of an ant.'
Those whom Allaah wished asked,
'And how do we avoid it when it is more hidden than the creeping of an ant, O Messenger of Allaah?'
He replied,
'Say: Allaahumma Innaa na'oodhu bika an nushrika bika shay'an na'lamuh, wa nastaghfiruka limaa laa na'lamuh (O Allaah, we seek refuge in you from knowingly committing shirk with you and we ask your forgiveness for what we do not know about).' " http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn96 - ( Collected by Ahmad and at-Tabaraanee.)


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 08 June 2009 at 10:19am
Originally posted by believer

...................Never stop learning, questioning-..........
 
Christian belief states that the one God reveals himself in the three persons of Father, Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit.
 
These three persons are nevertheless regarded as a unity, sharing one 'substance'.(Dictionary of Religions, p.337.)
 
Prophet Jesus is elevated to divinity, sits on the right hand of God and judges the world.
 
The Holy Spirit, who in the Hebrew Bible is the means by which God exercises his creative power, in Christian thought becomes a part of the God-head. Paul made the Holy Spirit the alter ego of Christ, the guide and help of Christians, first manifesting itself on the day of Penecost. http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn67 - ( Dictionary of Philosophy and Religion, p.231)
Consequently, Shirk in Ruboobeeyah occurs in the Christian belief that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God's partners in all of His dominion, in their belief that Jesus alone pronounces judgement on the world and in their belief that Christians are helped and guided by the Holy Spirit.
Christians are called upon to pray to a man, a Prophet of God named Jesus, whom they claim to have been God incarnate.
 
Catholics among Christians pray to Mary as the "mother of God", to the angels like Michael who is honored on May 8 and September 29, Michaelmas Day, as St. Michael, as well as to human saints, whether real or fictitious.
 
http://allaahuakbar.net/SHIRK/categories_of_shirk.htm#fn91 - ( William Halsey (ed.), Colliers Encyclopedia, (U.S.A: Crowell-Collier Educational Foundation; 1970, vol.16, p.110.)
Modern day Christian belief that Prophet Jesus was God incarnate; that the Creator became His creation, is another good example of Shirk.
There have been many so-called great Christian painters like Michaelangelo (d. 1565), who painted pictures of God as a naked old European man with long flowing white hair and beard on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican.
 
These pictures have in turn, been held by the Christian world in the highest of esteem.


Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 2:43pm

These three persons are nevertheless regarded as a unity, sharing one 'substance'.

 

That is the most important part- Father, Son and Holy Spirit are of one substance.

 

The Holy Spirit, who in the Hebrew Bible is the means by which God exercises his creative power, in Christian thought becomes a part of the God-head.

Acts 2

 1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

 

Paul made the Holy Spirit the alter ego of Christ, the guide and help of Christians, first manifesting itself on the day of Penecost.

 

Paul was not at  Pentecost, but was still presecuting Christians.

 

Consequently, Shirk in Ruboobeeyah occurs in the Christian belief that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God's partners in all of His dominion, in their belief that Jesus alone pronounces judgement on the world and in their belief that Christians are helped and guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

The are not partners but one together make up the One True GOD.

 

Catholics among Christians pray to Mary as the "mother of God", to the angels like Michael who is honored on May 8 and September 29, Michaelmas Day, as St. Michael, as well as to human saints, whether real or fictitious.

 

I am not Catholic and do not pray to Mary.

  

Modern day Christian belief that Prophet Jesus was God incarnate; that the Creator became His creation, is another good example of Shirk.

 

Actually Jesus is GOD’s WORD incarnate.



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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 7:12am
Originally posted by seekshidayath

As Salamu Alaikum,
 
..............., the sins of shirk wherein Allah swt mentioned in the Qur'an as  unforgivable deal with only major forms of shirk, not the minor ones. . 
Wa alaykum assalam wa Rahmatullah.
 
On what basis do you say so sister? Kindly provide proof as to where Allah Subhanahu wa ta'alaa or the Prophet Sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam has said so.


Posted By: haris30432
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 10:43am
Peace,
 
As far as i understand ,there is no major or minor shirk.Shirk is simply shirk.Those who associate any thing or any human,objects, etc etc with GOD in any degree are clearly idolizers and will be condemned by GOD if they dont repent and reform before death.The Quran reminds us in very powerful words that the only one worthy of worship and devotion is GOD alone and none beside him.No where in the Quran can u see any messenger of GOD asking his followers to love him after or before GOD.Instead the messengers of GOD warned their followers against loving anyone beside GOD.Those who believe love GOD the most. And since Idol worship is the only unforgivable sin,a believer will certainly go to the maximum extend to make sure that his religion and it practices are absolutely devoted to GOD alone.And this would also mean that the Contact prayers will have no name mentioned in it except GOD's.
 

The Idols Disown Their Idolizers*

[2:165] Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe love GOD the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to GOD alone, and that GOD's retribution is awesome.

 
 

Major Commandments

[4:36] You shall worship GOD alonedo not associate anything with Him. You shall regard the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, the related neighbor, the unrelated neighbor, the close associate, the traveling alien, and your servants. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs.

 

[4:146] Only those who repent, reform, hold fast to GOD, and devote their religion absolutely to GOD alone, will be counted with the believers. GOD will bless the believers with a great recompense.

Instead of God's Teachings

[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.

[39:3] Absolutely, the religion shall be devoted to GOD alone. Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us closer to GOD; for they are in a better position!" GOD will judge them regarding their disputes. GOD does not guide such liars, disbelievers.

[72:18] The places of worship belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

[3:79] Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.

Peace!


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 9:42am
Originally posted by haris30432

 
As far as i understand ,there is no major or minor shirk.Shirk is simply shirk.................... 

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen said: 

“Shirk is of two types,

  • major shirk which puts a person beyond the pale of Islam, and
  • lesser shirk.” 

The first type, major shirk, is “Every type of shirk which the Lawgiver described as such and which puts a person beyond the pale of his religion” –

such as devoting any kind of act of worship which should be for Allaah to someone other than Allaah, such as
    • praying to anyone other than Allaah,
    • fasting for anyone other than Allaah or
    • offering a sacrifice to anyone other than Allaah.
 
It is also a form of major shirk to offer supplication (du’aa’) to anyone other than Allaah, such as
    • calling upon the occupant of a grave or
    • calling upon one who is absent to help one in some way in which no one is able to help except Allaah. 

The second type is minor shirk, which means every kind of speech or action that Islam describes as shirk, but it does not put a person beyond the pale of Islam – such as swearing an oath by something other than Allaah, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that whoever swears an oath by something other than Allaah is guilty of kufr or shirk.” 

The one who swears an oath by something other than Allaah but does not believe that anyone other than Allaah has the same greatness as Allah, is a mushrik who is guilty of lesser shirk, regardless of whether the one by whom he swore is venerated by people or not. It is not permissible to swear by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or by the president, or by the Ka’bah, or by Jibreel, because this is shirk, but it is minor shirk which does not put a person beyond the pale of Islam. 

Another type of minor shirk is showing off, which means that a person does something so that people will see it, not for the sake of Allaah. 

The ways in which showing off may cancel out acts of worship are either of the following: 

The first is when it is applies to an act of worship from the outset, i.e., the person is not doing that action for any reason other than showing off. In this case, the action is invalid and is rejected, because of the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah which was attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which says that Allaah said,

“I am so self-sufficient that I am in no need of having an associate. Thus he who does an action for someone else’s sake as well as Mine will have that action renounced by Me to him whom he associated with Me.”

(Narrated by Muslim, Kitaab al-Zuhd, no. 2985) 

The second is when the showing off happens later on during the act of worship, i.e., the action is originally for Allaah, then showing off creeps into it. This may be one of two cases: 

The first is when the person resists it – this does not harm him.

For example, a man has prayed a rak’ah, then some people come along during his second rak’ah and it occurs to him to make the rukoo’ or sujood longer, or makes himself weep, and so on. If he resists that, it does not harm him, because he is striving against this idea. But if he goes along with that, then every action which stemmed from showing off is invalid, such as if he made his standing or prostration long, or he made himself weep – all of those actions will be cancelled out. But does this invalidation extend to the entire act of worship or not? 

We say that either of the following must apply: 

Either the end of his act of worship was connected to the beginning (with no pause); so if the end of it is invalidated then all of it is invalidated.

This is the case with the prayer – the last part of it cannot be invalidated without the first part also being invalidated, so the whole prayer is invalid.

Or if the beginning of the action is separate from the end of it, then the first part is valid but the latter part is not. Whatever came before the showing off is valid, and what came after it is not valid. 

An example of that is a man who has a hundred riyals, and gives fifty of them in charity for the sake of Allaah with a sound intention, then he gives fifty in charity for the purpose of showing off. The first fifty are accepted, and the second fifty are not accepted, because the latter is separate from the former.”

Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, and al-Qawl al-Mufeed Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed, vol. 1, p. 114, 1st edition

 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 10:05pm

Assalamualaikum.

I wonder whether we could debate without cut and paste. Or perhaps minimizing it.

Anyone could do the cut and paste job. But the question is, can we understand what is posted? Sometimes, even the poster himself or herself does not understand what she cut and pasted.

If the poster understands the ayah (sentence) or topic, they would clearly explain it in their own words without borrowing. We can see the difference whether the person is writing from the heart or just copying. If clarifications are needed, then the link could be provided.

 



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Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 19 May 2010 at 10:22pm
  • praying to anyone other than Allaah,

Many times when we pray, our concentration always falter. While praying, we could hear the aeroplane flying past, that big 747 jumbo sitting on our head while the tongue verbally saying - iyya kana' budu, wa iyya ka nas ta in. To You we worship, and to you we ask for assistance. Can we consider this as shirk or is it hypocrisy?

      • fasting for anyone other than Allaah or

Occasionally we unintentionally tell our friends that I am fasting today or that I have just finished my iftar without our friends asking. What does this show? Another form of minor shirk - showing off your ibadah - meaning your fasting was not for Allah but for someone else. Are we not guilty of this? Yes we are one time or another.

  • offering a sacrifice to anyone other than Allaah.

Again, it would be such a waste of money and time, if after doing the sacrifice a friend asks, where were you from? Oh, I just came back from the mosque after doing the sacrifice. We could just say - From the mosque. But of course, the nafs in us would want to mention - "doing the sacrifice". Riya' is like fire eating dried leaves. Once Riya is present, all our ibadah comes to zero.

Such a waste is it not?
 
Therefore, always guard our heart (Ruh) from the diseases of the heart, because we came into this world with a pure Ruh, we must ensure that we return to Allah in purity too.


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 10:38am

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

  • While praying, we could hear the aeroplane flying past, that big 747 jumbo sitting on our head while the tongue verbally saying - iyya kana' budu, wa iyya ka nas ta in. Can we consider this as shirk or is it hypocrisy?
Noor, While you are asking me to lend you a book if you hear the sound of my cat, does that mean that you are asking my cat to give you the book?
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

......... we came into this world with a pure Ruh, we must ensure that we return to Allah in purity too.
 
Noor Ilahi, Islam teaches us that,
1.  Allah will purify us from the filth of disbelief and polytheism If we follow His Guidance and the Sunnah of the Prophet in this world.

and,

2. Allah will purify the sinners who died in a state of eeman,
a) by forgiving their sins
 
and/or
 
b) by punishing them in hell for a prescribed period.

Proof for the above is in the following Verses: (I have quoted the translation of the meanings for your kind reference.)


Al-Baqarah - 2:125
And (remember) when We made the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) a place of resort for mankind and a place of safety. And take you (people) the Maqâm (place) of Ibrâhim (Abraham) [or the stone on which Ibrâhim (Abraham) stood while he was building the Ka'bah] as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers, e.g. two Rak'at after the Tawâf of the Ka'bah at Makkah), and We commanded Ibrâhim (Abraham) and Ismâ'il (Ishmael) that they should purify My House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) for those who are circumambulating it, or staying (I'tikâf), or bowing or prostrating themselves (there, in prayer).

Al-Baqarah - 2:174
Verily, those who conceal what Allâh has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. Allâh will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment.

Al-Baqarah - 2:222
They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they have purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allâh has ordained for you (go in unto them in any manner as long as it is in their vagina). Truly, Allâh loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves (by taking a bath and cleaning and washing thoroughly their private parts, bodies, for their prayers, etc.).

Aali Imran - 3:77
Verily, those who purchase a small gain at the cost of Allâh's Covenant and their oaths, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter (Paradise). Neither will Allâh speak to them, nor look at them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and they shall have a painful torment.

An-Nisa - 4:146
Except those who repent (from hypocrisy), do righteous good deeds, hold fast to Allâh, and purify their religion for Allâh (by worshipping none but Allâh, and do good for Allâh's sake only, not to show-off), then they will be with the believers. And Allâh will grant to the believers a great reward.

Aali Imran - 3:141
And that Allâh may test (or purify) the believers (from sins) and destroy the disbelievers.

Aali Imran - 3:164
Indeed Allâh conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Qur'ân), and purifying them (from sins by their following him), and instructing them (in) the Book (the Qur'ân) and Al­Hikmah [the wisdom and the Sunnah of the Prophet SAW (i.e. his legal ways, statements, acts of worship, etc.)], while before that they had been in manifest error.

Al-Ma'idah - 5:6
O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salât (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles. If you are in a state of Janâba (i.e. had a sexual discharge), purify yourself (bathe your whole body). But if you are ill or on a journey or any of you comes from answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (i.e. sexual intercourse) and you find no water, then perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allâh does not want to place you in difficulty, but He wants to purify you, and to complete His Favour on you that you may be thankful.

Al-Ma'idah - 5:41
O Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: "We believe" with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say, "If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!" And whomsoever Allâh wants to put in Al­Fitnah [error, because of his rejecting the Faith], you can do nothing for him against Allâh. Those are the ones whose hearts Allâh does not want to purify (from disbelief and hypocrisy); for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment.

At-Tawbah - 9:103
Take Sadaqah (alms) from their wealth in order to purify them and sanctify them with it, and invoke Allâh for them. Verily! Your invocations are a source of security for them, and Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

At-Tawbah - 9:108
Never stand you therein. Verily, the mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety is more worthy that you stand therein (to pray). In it are men who love to clean and to purify themselves. And Allâh loves those who make themselves clean and pure (i.e. who clean their private parts with dust [i.e. to be considered as soap) and water from urine and stools, after answering the call of nature].

Ta-Ha - 20:76
'Adn (Edn) Paradise (everlasting Gardens), under which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever: such is the reward of those who purify themselves [(by abstaining from all kinds of sins and evil deeds) which Allâh has forbidden and by doing all that which Allâh has ordained)].

Al-Ahzab - 33:33
And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salât (Iqamât­as­Salât), and give Zakât and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh wishes only to remove Ar­Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification.

Al-Jumu'ah - 62:2
He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book (this Qur'ân, Islâmic laws and Islâmic jurisprudence) and Al-Hikmah (As-Sunnah: legal ways, orders, acts of worship, etc. of Prophet Muhammad SAW). And verily, they had been before in mainfest error;

Al-Muddaththir - 74:4
And your garments purify!

An-Nazi'at - 79:18
And say to him: "Would you purify yourself (from the sin of disbelief by becoming a believer)",

And Noor, from your writings it is clear that you are satisfied with mere arguements of human beings and writings of Sufi Shaikhs rather than a solid copy-paste proof from the Qur'an. But Islam requires that you ponder over the meanings of the Verses and try to understand them.
 
If you have really pondered over those verses you would know that Allah has ordered us to pay attention to physical cleanliness and the following of His commands and the teachings of the Prophet. But regarding the purification of the soul He says it is He who will purify you. He also mentions in those Verses the conditions under which He will Purify you and mentions the conditions under which He will not.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 5:19pm
And Noor, from your writings it is clear that you are satisfied with mere arguements of human beings and writings of Sufi Shaikhs rather than a solid copy-paste proof from the Qur'an. But Islam requires that you ponder over the meanings of the Verses and try to understand them.

No, you got me wrong there. I am able to do the same thing in reply to you by copy=paste from sources of the Quran which is so abundant, but what is the point? You copy paste yours, I copy paste mine, where do we go from here? Does not that makes us like Jouberar?
Just want to remind you again that Al-Ghazali and Sheikh Abdul Qadir Al-Jailani were two of the great Sufi Masters. What is your position, what do you think of these two great Sufis? Were they deviant of Islam?
 
If you have really pondered over those verses you would know that Allah has ordered us to pay attention to physical cleanliness and the following of His commands and the teachings of the Prophet. But regarding the purification of the soul He says it is He who will purify you. He also mentions in those Verses the conditions under which He will Purify you and mentions the conditions under which He will not.

“Truly, God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” (Quran 13:11)

This verse contradicts your post above.

Physical purification is very easy, but purification of the soul is not.

And your answer to my statemen
t - While praying, we could hear the aeroplane flying past, that big 747 jumbo sitting on our head while the tongue verbally saying - iyya kana' budu, wa iyya ka nas ta in. Can we consider this as shirk or is it hypocrisy?

is not satisfying
enough. I wish you would tell me how could we get rid these kinds of thoughts and really mean what we verbally say - meaning physically and spiritually so that we are not guilty of spiritual hypocrisy or shirk?



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 11:30am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Does not that makes us like Jouberar?  
 
What is Jouberar? 
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Al-Ghazali and Sheikh Abdul Qadir Al-Jailani were two of the great Sufi Masters.
 
When/where did I deny that ?

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

“Truly, God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.”
(Quran 13:11)

This verse contradicts your post above.
 
Try to understand the meaning of the Verse in context. It is only a reminder to follow the Guidance of the Qur'an and Sunnah and cannot be misinterpreted to mean following of a Sufi Master.
Lit., "that which is in themselves". This statement has both a positive and a negative connotation: i.e., God does not withdraw His blessings from men unless their inner selves become depraved (cf. 8:53), just as He does not bestow His blessings upon wilful sinners until they change their inner disposition and become worthy of His grace. In its wider sense, this is an illustration of the divine law of cause and effect (sunnat Allah) which dominates the lives of both individuals and communities, and makes the rise and fall of civilizations dependent on people's moral qualities and the changes in "their inner selves".(Quran Ref: 13:11 )
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

........While praying, we could hear the aeroplane flying past, that big 747 jumbo sitting on our head
........how could we get rid these kinds of thoughts and really mean what we verbally say - .......

The sense of hearing is a gift of Allah without which the life on earth will be miserable. I dont understand what makes you say you want to get rid of this God given gift.

Please go back and read the example I had given. You are asking me to lend you a book and the cat is mewing. It would be wrong to conclude that I will not lend you the book because you are asking the cat and not me.

And in a similar way the Sufis want you to believe that Allah will not accept your prayers because the sound of Aeroplane is being heard along with your words of prayer. Will you take it or leave it?

 



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 10:33pm
What is Jouberar? 
 
He is just another Bible Thumping Christian here.
 
When/where did I deny that ?
 
Yes, you did not deny them directly. However if you consider Sufism as a deviant Islamic way, then you are also guilty of accusing these two famous Sufis and of course many many others like Saiyyidina Ali, Saiyidina Abu Bakar, Salman Al-Farisi, Jafar As-Sidiq and many others of the golden chain of Sufi Masters that you can find here - http://www.nurmuhammad.com/GoldenChain/GS/NaqshbandiGoldenChainMain.htm - http://www.nurmuhammad.com/GoldenChain/GS/NaqshbandiGoldenChainMain.htm
 
Try to understand the meaning of the Verse in context. It is only a reminder to follow the Guidance of the Qur'an and Sunnah and cannot be misinterpreted to mean following of a Sufi Master.

These Sufi Masters were all following the Quran and the Sunnah. Also do not forget that Tasawwuf or Sufism comes from Al-Ihsan. In todays world, we could easily find Teachers and Scholars to teach us the five pillars of Islam and the six pillars of Iman, but it is very very difficult to find Masters who could teach us the two pillars of Ihsan.
 
“Truly, God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” (Quran 13:11)
 
Lit., "that which is in themselves". This statement has both a positive and a negative connotation: i.e., God does not withdraw His blessings from men unless their inner selves become depraved (cf. 8:53), just as He does not bestow His blessings upon wilful sinners until they change their inner disposition and become worthy of His grace. In its wider sense, this is an illustration of the divine law of cause and effect (sunnat Allah) which dominates the lives of both individuals and communities, and makes the rise and fall of civilizations dependent on people's moral qualities and the changes in "their inner selves".(Quran Ref: 13:11 )

In Tasawwuf there are Administered Fate and Natural Fate. In this verse it means Administered fate. You cannot depend wholly on Allah to change your fate. You have to help yourself. While in your explanation previously, you put all the action on Allah. That we have no say in our own fate. I quote again what you wrote -

But regarding the purification of the soul He says it is He who will purify you. He also mentions in those Verses the conditions under which He will Purify you and mentions the conditions under which He will not.

 
The sense of hearing is a gift of Allah without which the life on earth will be miserable. I dont understand what makes you say you want to get rid of this God given gift.
 
I am sure that you have read stories of Rasulullah or his friends when praying, they were oblivious of everything. Rasulullah prayed until his legs became swollen, Ali Radhiyallahuanhu prayed until he did not feel the pain of the arrow being pulled from his back, Abu Bakar weeping while praying and many more. The analogy is like this, we are so absorbed in doing something that we really are so interested in, or absorbed in watching a TV programme, sometimes we are oblivious of everything else. Someone calling, you cannot hear, someone walking, by you cannot see. The attention is 100 percent towards what we were doing.
 
In solah, this can also be achieved. Apply Ihsan - to worship as if you are seeing Allah, if not He definitely sees you.
 
And in a similar way the Sufis want you to believe that Allah will not accept your prayers because the sound of Aeroplane is being heard along with your words of prayer. Will you take it or leave it?
 
As we know Allah is Ar-Rahman  Most Gracious, Ar-Raheem Most Merciful, Al-Ghafur - Most Forgiving, At-Taubah - Accepter of Repentance. He will judge us fairly as He is Al-Adl - Most Just. He will judge us according to our ability and our knowledge.
 
Abosait, I am going to be 50 this year and I had learned from many teachers since my teenage years, but only 5 years back I was so lucky to find a thariqah that teach one about another pillar of Islam that many teachers avoid that is IHSAN.
 
Since then, there had been a lot of improvements even if it is slowly. And that I could not thank Allah enough.
 
Alhamdulillah.

 



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 10:13am
 
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

.....
Yes, you did not deny them directly......
 
Jazakallahu khair for your truthfulness. Ameen.
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

However if you consider Sufism as a deviant Islamic way, then you are also guilty of accusing these two famous Sufis and of course many many others ............
These Sufi Masters were all following the Quran and the Sunnah..........
 
 
I have not pointed my finger at anyone but it is you who are selecting the Buzurgs and accusing them. Also Nur, please dont forget that no human being is infallible.
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

.....no say in our own fate........
 
What makes you come to such conclusion? I repeat my statement highlighting the lines which if you read along with the verses that I quoted in Proof will convince you as to how wrong you are in your above statement.

But regarding the purification of the soul He says it is He who will purify you. He also mentions in those Verses the conditions under which He will Purify you and mentions the conditions under which He will not.
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

In solah, ........worship as if you are seeing Allah, if not He definitely sees you.
 
 Of course. Who has denied that?
 
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Abosait, .......... only 5 years back I was so lucky to find a thariqah that teach one about another pillar of Islam that many teachers avoid that is IHSAN.
 
 
In which century was IHSAN given the grade of 'another pillar of Islam' and by whom? 
 
Also please read my post at the following page.:
 
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14277&KW=&PID=140780#140780 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14277&KW=&PID=140780#140780
 
 


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 10:16pm
Assalamualaikum Abosait.
 
I think it is useless to discuss with you about tasawwuf. I realized this futility when you gave me the link and I read Nausheen's advice.
Here is the response I gave her.
 
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14277&PN=7 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14277&PN=7
 
Actually, debating with you is not only due to my desire to share something that I know is very precious and important, but also to other readers here who may want to know more about Sufism or tasawwuf - purification of the Soul.
 
But then I found that your insistent refusal to acknowledge the Purity of teachings of Ihsan, would only make you more vulnerable to sins and I am partly responsible for it.
 
I do not want that to happen.
 
Till some other time, I pray that Allah will forgive your sins and mine and all our Muslim Brothers and Sisters.
Ameen.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 2:48am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Assalamualaikum Abosait.
 
............more about Sufism or tasawwuf ...........your insistent refusal to acknowledge the Purity of teachings of Ihsan,........
 
Wa alaikum assalam wa Rahmatullah.
 
Nur Ilahi, the topic of discussion is CRITICAL STUDY OF SHIRK and you want everyone to talk about Ihsan, and you want to preach more about Sufism in this thread?
 
This is not fair. In everyone of my post I have been giving you the opportunity to explain to me whatever new information I come across in your post.
 
The discussion is in progress and I had raised a question in reply to your post which you are unable to answer and thus trying to wind up and quit abruptly?
 
The question is in my previous post and I repeat:
In which century was IHSAN given the grade of 'another pillar of Islam' and by whom? 
 


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 10:43am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi

Assalamualaikum Abosait.
 
I think it is useless to discuss with you about tasawwuf....
 
Wa Alaikum assalam wa Rahmaullah.
 
Nur,
 
I am glad at least now you have realised that. Haq is bound to last and baatil is bound to perish as can be seen from the following Verse:
 
Al-Isra [17:81]         
وَقُلْ جَاء الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا
17:81 And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
Following Sufi liteature and reading random verses (the meanings of the Verses I mean) and neglecting the remaining portion of the Qur'an or leaving it for the Mullah to understand is not going to help you attain purification.
 
At least once in your lifetime read the meanings of the Qur'an from an authentic tafsir book staring from Sura 1. to Surah 114. By authentic Tafsir book I mean a translation with explanatory note explaining the meanings of the Verses as understood by the Sahaba because they were taught Qur'an by the Prophet himself.



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