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Topic: Mark of the beast?
Posted By: Adam192
Subject: Mark of the beast?
Date Posted: 02 January 2009 at 5:45pm
Perhaps one of the most frightening and scary aspects to the end times is the coming of the beast and the trials of the antiChrist. The Quran and the Bible explicitly warn us of the beast, especially its mark and its use in business transactions. I remember the Bible stating that whoever gets the mark of the beast will forever be lost, while the Quran also echoes a very similar message. I recently read on wikipedia that this "mark used for business transactions" may in fact be the everyday credit card. In the near future, there is even mention of implanting a chip in your right hand or your forehead for business transactions. Is this not the mark of the beast?
this is very troubling and I need all of your support on this

thank you and sorry for such a scary topic

Adam



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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 02 January 2009 at 5:56pm
Adam,
 
Where have you read this in The Quran?


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Posted By: Adam192
Date Posted: 02 January 2009 at 6:38pm
well, at this point, ive mostly seen the Bible's stance, but I recall earlier that the beast is also mentioned in the Quran, in regards to business transactions. The Quranic verses escape me at the moment, I will look for them though.

Adam


Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 9:48am
Here is the mention of a beast in the Quran:

And when the Word (of torment) is fulfilled against them, We shall bring out from the earth a beast to them, which will speak to them because mankind believed not with certainty in Our Ayât (Verses of the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad SAW). S. 27:82




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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 9:52am
http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-775.ram - http://www.levitt.tv/media/links/ZLV-775.ram

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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 10:52am
This ayat is speaking of something symbolic, materialism or evil, that we basically do to ourselves.
 
Islam does not believe in "the beast" the way that Christians do. There is no 666 or literal "mark of the beast". Perhaps greed or immorality will be the mark of the beast.


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Posted By: Gulliver
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 12:42pm


I came across this:

When the Beast comes, it will distinguish the people and declare who is a believer and who is a disbeliever.  Ahmad recorded that the Prophet said:

“The beast will appear and he will brand the people on their noses.  The people will then go on living with this branding such that a person will buy a camel and when he is asked, ‘From whom did you buy it?’ he will reply, ‘From one of the branded people.’” (Al-Albani)




Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 1:37pm
The Prophet said: "... the emergence of the beast, whose form will be very strange, its addressing the people and classifying them according to their faith or unbelief,..."  Abd Allah ibn Amr
 
Most scholars do not take this as literal. Many believe that the beast is the State of Israel. Such branding is already occuring there as Palestinians have to have Identification cards that mark them as Muslim and non-Muslim Palestinians.
 
I suppose we will know soon enough.
 
 


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Posted By: Nazarene
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by Gulliver



I came across this:

When the Beast comes, it will distinguish the people and declare who is a believer and who is a disbeliever.  Ahmad recorded that the Prophet said:

“The beast will appear and he will brand the people on their noses.  The people will then go on living with this branding such that a person will buy a camel and when he is asked, ‘From whom did you buy it?’ he will reply, ‘From one of the branded people.’” (Al-Albani)


peace to all , i'll be sharp and fast.
 
the { mark of the beast is THE CROSS my friends }
 in the ROMAN CHURCH the priest puts a cross{in black} on the forehead of thier faithfull.
 
please check out these links
http://calvaryadvisor.org/17.html - http://calvaryadvisor.org/17.html  
 
http://sabbathrock.com/cross.aspx - http://sabbathrock.com/cross.aspx  
 
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/satanichandsign28aug07.shtml - http://educate-yourself.org/lte/satanichandsign28aug07.shtml  
 
interesting links at the bottom of this one
http://www.xanga.com/ReligionStinks/669573192/item.html - http://www.xanga.com/ReligionStinks/669573192/item.html
leland


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Posted By: Gulliver
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 2:34pm
 
I'm suprised at you Leland. Evangelical fundies and conspiracy theorists.
 
Over here, in Catholicism anyway, on Ash Wednesday - the beginning of the 40 days of Lent - the 'priest' does place a cross on the forehead, made from the ashes of the palms of the previous year. The palms used from the previous year's 'Palm Sunday' - a celebration of the 'triumphal entry (of Jesus) into Jerusalem'. The ashes also symbolise repentance/penance, Lent being a time of supposedly serious repentance/penance/mourning/mortality - fasting and spiritual disciplining. A little like Ramadan perhaps.
 
The ashen 'cross' is used symbolically to remind man of the words in the OT Gen: 3:19 - that man came from dust and to dust he shall return. "Remember man that you are dust, and into dust you shall return."
 
A little on Ash Wednesday here
 
ASH WEDNESDAY

" Dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return."
                                                 Gn. 3:19

Rend your hearts, not your garments, and return to the Lord, your God. (Joel 2:13)


Reflection.
The liturgical use of ashes originated in the Old Testament times. Ashes symbolized mourning, mortality and penance. In the Book of Esther, Mordecai put on sackcloth and ashes when he heard of the decree of King Ahasuerus to kill all of the Jewish people in the Persian Empire (Esther 4:1). Job repented in sackcloth and ashes (Job 42:6). Prophesying the Babylonian captivity of Jerusalem, Daniel wrote, "I turned to the Lord God, pleading in earnest prayer, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes" (Daniel 9:3).
Jesus  made reference to ashes, "If the miracles worked in you had taken place in Tyre and Sidon, they would have reformed in sackcloth and ashes long ago" (Matthew 11:21).
In the Middle Ages, the priest would bless the dying person with holy water, saying, "Remember that thou art dust and to dust thou shalt return."
The Church adapted the use of ashes to mark the beginning of the penitential season of Lent, when we remember our mortality and mourn for our sins. In our present liturgy for Ash Wednesday, we use ashes made from the burned palm branches distributed on the Palm Sunday of the previous year. The priest blesses the ashes and imposes them on the foreheads of the faithful, making the sign of the cross and saying, "Remember, man you are dust and to dust you shall return," or "Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel." As we begin this holy season of Lent in preparation for Easter, we must remember the significance of the ashes we have received: We mourn and do penance for our sins. We again convert our hearts to the Lord, who suffered, died, and rose for our salvation. We renew the promises made at our baptism, when we died to an old life and rose to a new life with Christ. Finally, mindful that the kingdom of this world passes away, we strive to live the kingdom of God now and look forward to its fulfillment in heaven.


Lenten Question
Q: What is Lent?
A: Lent is the forty day period before Easter, excluding Sundays, which begins on Ash Wednesday and ends on Holy Saturday (the day before Easter Sunday). [This traditional ennumeration does not precisely coincide with the calendar according to the liturgical reform. In order to give special prominence to the Sacred Triduum (Mass of the Lord's Supper, Good Friday, Easter Vigil) the current calendar counts Lent as only from Ash Wednesday to Holy Thursday, up to the Mass of the Lord's Supper. Even so, Lenten practices are properly maintained up to the Easter Vigil, excluding Sundays, as before.]

Lenten Action.
Invite a non-practicing friend to Mass with you.


Prayer
Almighty and everlasting God, you despise nothing you have made and forgive the sins of all who are penitent.
Create and make in us new and contrite hearts, that we, worthily lamenting our sins and acknowledging our brokenness, may obtain of you, the God of all mercy, perfect remission and forgiveness;
through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever.
Amen.

Ash Wednesday is a day of both fasting and abstinence.

 
 
I wouldn't trust anything from Calvary Chapel. And the ceremony/ritual itself really isn't satanic or anything to do with conspiracy theories. The 'cross' is grey, not black :-)
 
 


Posted By: Gulliver
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 2:55pm
 
The world's in an awful state Shasta. I hope something can be resolved there for all those people. You would despair of this world at times. When you see the bodies of children especially. Awful. There were a lot of protests here in UK today over that.
 
Do all these conflicts have their source in 'religion', as well as politics ? Not just the Middle East. Was same here in this country for centuries. Sometimes I have wondered if the religious leaders and the politicians didn't deliberately devise 'divide and conquer' strategies for their own ends. So many unGodly acts committed in the 'name of God'.
 
 
 
 
Other times, when I hear religious fundamentalists ranting about evolution, and that it's such an awful thought that we might have evolved from apes. I think that to suggest that man may have devolved from apes, is an insult to apes, and to God. 


Posted By: Adam192
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 4:36pm
Very true, sometimes I ponder the state of the world, and ask Almighty God what this world has come to with all this hatred, violence, and evil.

I pray that He protects us and keeps us in his mercy

Adam


Posted By: Gulliver
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 3:41am


I wonder if you are being influenced by all this 'end times' stuff Adam. I was reading something the other day, where it seems that the 'right wing' Christian element in US is pushing what is happening in the Middle East - pro Israel, in the belief it will hasten the second coming of Christ. And that the president of Iran has a similar agenda in hoping for the second coming of Al Masij (Jesus).

I dunno how much, if any truth in that. Though from reading some things out there about 'raptures' and 'rapture ready' and 'left behind', it makes me wonder. A bunch of nutters pulling us all into hell - not a second coming of anyone, least of all Isa/Christ.

I had a friend over twenty years ago. Jimmy. God rest his soul. He died a few years back, older than me. He said when he went, died, he wanted it to be fast. He had spent his life working in hospitals and saw a lot of prolonged painful deaths. He was walking out through his front door one day, took a pain in his chest, massive heart attack and dropped dead.

He used to have all these books and things. No internet then, about end of the world prophecies, end times, three days of darkness, nuclear holocausts and the rest. Had me demented. lol  Lot of things out there and people who would have you believe the world was gonna end tomorrow. There were all these predictions of this, that, and the other gonna happen, and when. Never did. Worried and fearful over nothing. No wonder he took a heart attack.

I let go of all of that a long time ago. Preferred to look to and depend on the Love, Compassion and Mercy of God/Allah, and pray for peace in the heart of the individual, society and the world. We will all die one day. Whether we drop dead at the front door from a heart attack, or annihilation in a nuclear disaster, we will die and leave this world.

Like you were saying in an earlier post. I think the only important thing is to cultivate a loving relationship with the God you choose to love and who loves you. Carry you through this life, whatever is thrown at you, and into the 'next'.

The world has never been any different I don't think. People will always be as they are, people, and we are here for a very short time to learn something.

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I wonder when that comet is due to arrive ;-) lol  First time the world was destroyed by water. It's supposed to be 'fire' this time. Maybe that's the real 'fire of hell' sent to destroy the corruption in the world.

I think you were asking about it being enough to repent to be forgiven of sin. If God is all Mercy and Compassion and most Forgiving, then yes it should be. We need to have faith, trust in God for this. I think repentance is about realising we are doing something wrong, harmful to ourselves, and ultimately to others, and knowing we have to work at changing that behaviour - regeneration, spiritual growth, new life. I think God forgives us as much as we forgive others, and ourselves. All about restoring balance and healing. Bring life to 'death'.  Resurrection.  Resurrection begins in this life, not the 'next'.


When you think about 'hell.' If you write the word 'forever' a zillion, zillion times. Whatever a zillion is. And each time the word represents a zillion zillion zillion years. Eternity would not even have begun. What could human beings do to warrant such a punishment ? Not trying to say there is no 'hell' - just what it actually means. In the natural/material Creation, everything is recycled. Maybe it's the same in the Super Natural, Spiritual 'Creation'. In 'time' - all is restored to what was intended.

There is a line in the bible.........   

"I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God"



Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 11:16am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLjwe2b40YA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLjwe2b40YA


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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 11:28am
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1REfwV9pg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n1REfwV9pg
 
 
http://www.dallascarter.net/article.php?book=politics&chapter=mideast&page=MahdiAntichrist - Is this the Beast?


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      “Moses dragged us for 40 years through the desert to bring us to the one place in the Middle East where there was no oil.” -Golda Meir


Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 12:25pm
Notice that it is taught that the Al-Mahdi will rule for .....seven years.... the period of rule of the antichrist.
 
http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/imam.html - http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/imam.html
 
http://www.thefamily.org/en/viewpoints/future/66/ - http://www.thefamily.org/en/viewpoints/future/66/
 


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Posted By: Gulliver
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 12:44pm


I have not watched this yet, but looks interesting. History Channel - "banned from the bible". 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LUytXGke53s&feature=related


Posted By: Nazarene
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 3:04pm
9:35 (Y. Ali) On the Day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs.- "This is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye, then, the (treasures) ye buried!"

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Posted By: Adam192
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 2:46pm
"notice that it is taught that the Al-Mahdi will rule for .....seven years.... the period of rule of the antichrist."

- that is a very interesting point there Truth Realm, it really is. Ive been looking into this, and apparently, the anti-Christ will rule for only 3.5 years and not 7 (I think according to Daniel, the time will be 42 months, or 1260 days). Also, the anti-Christ will be backed by a 7 or 10 nation league. In a sense, this anti-Christ figure will lead people away from God and cause them to forget Him.

I personally have a lot of doubt about this "mahdi" figure, because he is not in the Quranic scripture at all, only in hadith, which for the most part are very contradicting and incorrect in relation to the Quran. The Quran teaches that at the end times, the only Messiah to appear will be Yeshua, who will rid this world of the anti-christ by the power of Almighty God. mahdi has no backing in the Quran.


Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by Adam192

"notice that it is taught that the Al-Mahdi will rule for .....seven years.... the period of rule of the antichrist."

- that is a very interesting point there Truth Realm, it really is. Ive been looking into this, and apparently, the anti-Christ will rule for only 3.5 years and not 7 (I think according to Daniel, the time will be 42 months, or 1260 days). Also, the anti-Christ will be backed by a 7 or 10 nation league. In a sense, this anti-Christ figure will lead people away from God and cause them to forget Him.

I personally have a lot of doubt about this "mahdi" figure, because he is not in the Quranic scripture at all, only in hadith, which for the most part are very contradicting and incorrect in relation to the Quran. The Quran teaches that at the end times, the only Messiah to appear will be Yeshua, who will rid this world of the anti-christ by the power of Almighty God. mahdi has no backing in the Quran.


Ahmanenijad I believe said it was a 7 year treaty with Israel.

This is quite interesting how Biblical prophecy matches up with his views on Al Mahdi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTaCbH6zXU0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTaCbH6zXU0




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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:05pm
Adam192,

Also interesting, with regards to the "twelfth" Iman that the Shi'a are awaiting as their "final" prince, I found this passage in the OT to be telling:

"And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation." -Gen 17:20


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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:18pm
Well, the Presents of God Ministry think that Sunday is the mark of the beast.  Apparently you must avoid Sundays to avoid the mark of the beast.
 
Isn't it interesting how Christians choose Sunday to worship?
 
Tomorrow IS Sunday Shocked for those who wish to avoid it!!!!


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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:25pm
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

Well, the Presents of God Ministry think that Sunday is the mark of the beast.  Apparently you must avoid Sundays to avoid the mark of the beast.
 
Isn't it interesting how Christians choose Sunday to worship?
 
Tomorrow IS Sunday Shocked for those who wish to avoid it!!!!


Hmmmmm.......well, there are all kinds of fringe elements out there. I've heard that it is breaking the true Sabbath and that if you break one commandment, you've broken them all, but that's nothing to do with the mark of the beast.

This is the only http://www.presenceofgodministries.org/services.php - "Presence of God Ministries" that I can locate online and they worship on Sunday. Who are you referring to?


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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:39pm
I wouldn't call them any more fringe than Ahmanenijad. And the theory is just as interesting....
 
http://www.remnantofgod.org/mark.htm - http://www.remnantofgod.org/mark.htm


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“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”
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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:42pm
http://wsu.edu/%7Edee/SHIA/HIDDEN.HTM - What much of Iran, including Amadinejad, believe.

My understanding is the following:

The Antichrist will spend his first 3 1/2 years establishing himself and peace in the world. At that point, a Jew figures him out and shoots him in the head and kills him. He miraculously recovers. This gives him even more power and convinces many that he is the true messiah. He will then go after the saints, God's chosen, who know the truth. The martyr of the saints is during the second 3 1/2 years, for the total of his 7 year reign, ending in him defiling the Temple in Jerusalem by sitting in the Holy of Holies and declaring himself God.

This will usher in the return of Jesus Christ.



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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:44pm
How could you possibly know what much of Iran believes?

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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

I wouldn't call them any more fringe than Ahmanenijad. And the theory is just as interesting....
 
http://www.remnantofgod.org/mark.htm - http://www.remnantofgod.org/mark.htm


Ahmadinejad represents pretty much half of Islam, I understand. The Shi'a half. But feel free to correct me. If not half, he does still reflect a significant portion.

What you have posted is one of a million fringe elements.




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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

How could you possibly know what much of Iran believes?


It's not that hard to figure out if you're not living in a country that prohibits the free use of the internet. 

Iran is 90% Shi'a, and the Shi'a are 85% Twelvers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver




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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 6:58pm
Ahmadinejad is a man, not a scholar of Islam. I doubt that his views represent any but his own.
 
Shi'ites make up about 10% of Islam, not half, and I have never read anything regarding Shi'ism that gives the views you have posted above.
 
Anyone can post a view and claim that numerous people adhere to it. I understand about half of Christianity believes that Sunday is the mark of the beast and the other half believe this guy:
 
The US Government has a computer named BEAST (Battle Engagement Area Simulation and Tracking), developed out of Area 51. It uplinks to a satellite using GPS (Global Positioning Systems). They power a Film Lithium Diode in a computer chip called MARC (Multiple Automated readout Chip), which is best placed in the hand or forehead because of lowest body temperature. It’s funny how the government intentionally uses biblical descriptions to show their defiance to God openly.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html - http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html



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“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”
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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by TruthRealm

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

How could you possibly know what much of Iran believes?


It's not that hard to figure out if you're not living in a country that prohibits the free use of the internet. 

Iran is 90% Shi'a, and the Shi'a are 85% Twelvers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver


 
They believe in the twelve Imams, but not necessarily in the chain of events regarding the Al-Mahdi that you have posted.
 
I can see how you might think 85% of 90% of 10% of all Muslims equal one half.
 
If you are REALLY interested in learning about Islam and what most Muslims believe, then read the Quran.
 


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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt

Ahmadinejad is a man, not a scholar of Islam. I doubt that his views represent any but his own.


Yes, but he answers to the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who was a close confidant of the late Ayatollah Khomeini and a key figure in the Islamic Revolution, a Shi'a revolution. The title "Ayatollah" is the highest ranking title given to Usuli Twelver Shi'ah clerics.

AND......he is after Nuclear Weapons!


Shi'ites make up about 10% of Islam, not half, and I have never read anything regarding Shi'ism that gives the views you have posted above.


Actually 15%, but yes, still a smaller percentage of Islam, but the second largest denomination of Islam. This is not an indictment of Islam itself, don't get me wrong.  But you probably should start googling Shi'a or Islamic Revolution or Ayatollah, or Iran or just start here with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam - Shia Islam .
 
Anyone can post a view and claim that numerous people adhere to it. I understand about half of Christianity believes that Sunday is the mark of the beast and the other half believe this guy:
 
The US Government has a computer named BEAST (Battle Engagement Area Simulation and Tracking), developed out of Area 51. It uplinks to a satellite using GPS (Global Positioning Systems). They power a Film Lithium Diode in a computer chip called MARC (Multiple Automated readout Chip), which is best placed in the hand or forehead because of lowest body temperature. It’s funny how the government intentionally uses biblical descriptions to show their defiance to God openly.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html - http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html


Half? Come on, be serious. Those are small fringes, the latter from a fiction writer named Paul Christopher, an ex Satinist actually. Are you going to throw something from http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id63.html - The Mind of James Donahue next? He gives creedence to Paul Christopher's fantastic fiction as well.

Do you want to be serious or just obfuscate?




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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 10 January 2009 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt




 
They believe in the twelve Imams, but not necessarily in the chain of events regarding the Al-Mahdi that you have posted.


No offense but I think you are driving with your eyes closed. Have you heard Ahmadinejad? He is open about it. I posted a part of a video series that refers to the stuff he has said. You can find some of it http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/07/AR2008050703587.html - here too.    An outside independent Iranian press service is saying that http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2007/november-2007/the-dangers-of-ahmadinejads-narcissism%7Eemail.shtml - he views himself as the direct vessel of the Iman Mahdi.


 

I can see how you might think 85% of 90% of 10% of all Muslims equal one half.


Not half, as acknowledged in previous post, but the second largest denomination of Islam, and a significant portion, and one seeking nuclear weapons.   Again, I realize that it may pain you to think that the Antichrist could be coming out of your faith, even if from a small 15% segment of it, but consider that you have the most to lose by not keeping an open mind to it.

 
If you are REALLY interested in learning about Islam and what most Muslims believe, then read the Quran.


I am not interested in learning about Islam in this thread, except in how it relates to the subject matter, "Mark of the Beast".

But I am reading the Qur'an.







 
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 2:10am
If you are REALLY interested in learning about Islam and what most Muslims believe
 
What gives you the impression that he interested in anything? Please, see all his posts and just join me in morning the mentality of the pobre beast!
 
Plus, we must forgive any such deficient lot and just pray for them insteadof wasting time feeding these trolls.


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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 7:18am
Originally posted by Whisper

If you are REALLY interested in learning about Islam and what most Muslims believe
 
What gives you the impression that he interested in anything? Please, see all his posts and just join me in morning the mentality of the pobre beast!
 
Plus, we must forgive any such deficient lot and just pray for them insteadof wasting time feeding these trolls.
 
Are you really that threatened, Whisper?
 
I am learning about Islam everyday. What Muslims believe is reflected throughout the world. There is no shortage of representation. It's just sad that the good has acquiesced to the evil.
 
In Christian history, the reason that the more violent practices of the crusades ended was because the good stood up to the evil and overcame it.

What will Islam do?
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 9:26am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo - Why is Iran backing the Sunni Hamas in their brutal acts?

Perhaps to win Sunnis over to the minority Shi'a way of establishing the Kalifate?



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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 12:28pm
Are you really that threatened, Whisper?
 
Even your Tel Aviv masters, the Whitehouse Gang or all the Ultra Right wing blockheads in that War Criminals land can't threaten a Whisper.
 
I just find you utterly out of taste for any august gathering like this one, you are an utter bore shouting some pre-historic tribal land claims like a street urchin who condones and justifies mass scale murders.
 
Duende was right in marking you as a troll, you should have been weeded out ages ago, but you found a soulmate in Friendship!


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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 12:44pm
AND......he is after Nuclear Weapons!
 
See, always pushing the most obvious the most ridiculous Official line. How many Israel has got? Why shouldn't anyone else have any? Just because you say so? Why should we tolerate trash in our midst?

You can continue with your perfect match in PMs, we don't have to stand you.


See, always pushing the

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Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by Whisper

If you are REALLY interested in learning about Islam and what most Muslims believe
 
What gives you the impression that he interested in anything? Please, see all his posts and just join me in morning the mentality of the pobre beast!
 
Plus, we must forgive any such deficient lot and just pray for them insteadof wasting time feeding these trolls.
 
C'mon Whisper, a military machine called the BEAST, avoid Sundays..... Wink
 
I think that most of the people posting here are intelligent enough to recognise when someone is truly interested and Islam and when someone has an agenda and inane propaganda to back it up. 
 


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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by Whisper

AND......he is after Nuclear Weapons!
 
See, always pushing the most obvious the most ridiculous Official line. How many Israel has got? Why shouldn't anyone else have any?

 


Others should and do. Just not nutcase, rabid, Jew hating Muslims* who finance terrorism and are continually making threats of annihilation of another nation.


*Not all Muslims, just the Jew hating ones.


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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by TruthRealm

Here is the mention of a beast in the Quran:

And when the Word (of torment) is fulfilled against them, We shall bring out from the earth a beast to them, which will speak to them because mankind believed not with certainty in Our Ayât (Verses of the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad SAW). S. 27:82


 
Thanks for the sharing. May Allah swt guide you. Yes, Qur'an and hadith speak of the beast
 
This is the beast which will emerge at the end of time, when mankind has become corrupt and neglected the commands of Allah and changed the true religion. Then Allah will cause a beast to emerge from the earth.
The beast will speak to people about matters. Ibn `Abbas, Al-Hasan and Qatadah said, and it was also narrated from `Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, that it will speak words, meaning, it will address them. Many Hadiths and reports have been narrated about the beast, and we will narrate as many of them as Allah enables us to, for He is the One Whose help we seek.
 
Imam Ahmad recorded that Hudhayfah bin Asid Al-Ghifari said, "The Messenger of Allah came out from his room while we were discussing the matter of the Hour. He said:

The Hour will not come until you see ten signs: the rising of the sun from the west; the smoke (Ad-Dukhan); emergence of the beast; the emergence of Ya'juj and Ma'juj; the appearance of `Isa bin Maryam, upon him be peace; the Dajjal; and three land cave-ins, one in the west, one in the east and one in the Arabian Peninsula; and a Fire which will emerge from the midst of Yemen, and will drive or gather the people, stopping with them whenever they stop for the night or to rest during the day
Muslim bin Al-Hajjaj recorded that `Abdullah bin `Amr said, "I memorized a Hadith from the Messenger of Allah which I never forgot afterwards. I heard the Messenger of Allah say:
 
The first of the signs to appear will be the rising of the sun from the west, and the emergence of the beast to mankind in the forenoon. Whichever of them appears first, the other will follow close behind it
 
In his Sahih, Muslim recorded that Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him, said that the Messenger of Allah said:
Hasten to do good deeds before six things appear: the rising of the sun from the west; the smoke; the Dajjal; the beast; the (death) of one of your favorite, or general affliction
 
Abu Dawud At-Tayalisi recorded from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Messenger of Allah said:
A beast will emerge from the earth, and with it will be the staff of Musa and the ring of Sulayman, peace be upon them both. It will strike the nose of the disbelievers with the staff, and it will make the face of the believer bright with the ring, until when people gather to eat, they will be able to recognize the believers from the disbelievers.
 
It also was recorded by Imam Ahmad, with the wording:
 
It will strike the nose of the disbelievers with the ring, and will make the face of the believer bright with the staff, until when people gather for a meal, they will say to one another, O believer, or O disbeliever. It was also recorded by Ibn Majah. Ibn Jurayj reported that Ibn Az-Zubayr described the beast and said, "Its head is like the head of a bull, its eyes are like the eyes of a pig, its ears are like the ears of an elephant, its horns are like the horns of a stag, its neck is like the neck of an ostrich, its chest is like the chest of a lion, its color is like the colour of a tiger, its haunches are like the haunches of a cat, its tail is like the tail of a ram, and its legs are like the legs of a camel. Between each pair of its joints is a distance of twelve cubits. It will bring out with it the staff of Musa and the ring of Sulayman. There will be no believer left without it making a white spot on his face, which will spread until all his face is shining white as a result; and there will be no disbeliever left without it making a black spot on his face, which will spread until all his face is black as a result, then when the people trade with one another in the marketplace, they will say, `How much is this, O believer' `How much is this, O disbeliever' And when the members of one household sit down together to eat, they will know who is a believer and who is a disbeliever. Then the beast will say: `O so-and-so, enjoy yourself, for you are among the people of Paradise.' And it will say: `O so-and-so, you are among the people of Hell,' This is what Allah says:
 
"And when the Word is fulfilled against them, We shall bring out from the earth a beast for them, to speak to them because mankind believed not with certainty in Our Ayat"
 
Hope Adam that you got your answer, of the mark. May Allah swt save us from the fitnahs .


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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by TruthRealm

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If you are REALLY interested in learning about Islam and what most Muslims believe, then read the Quran.


I am not interested in learning about Islam in this thread, except in how it relates to the subject matter, "Mark of the Beast".

But I am reading the Qur'an.
 
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Hope you got the answer from the post above of "Mark of the beast" and how Islam relates it.
 
Glad to know that you are reading Qur'an. Cud you let us know, which chapter or the ayaat {verse} are you reading these days ?
 


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Posted By: TruthRealm
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by seekshidayath

 

Hope you got the answer from the post above of "Mark of the beast" and how Islam relates it.
 
Glad to know that you are reading Qur'an. Cud you let us know, which chapter or the ayaat {verse} are you reading these days ?
 


Thanks, I did get some good information from it. Is that in the Quran or where?

I'm reading around about in the Quran. Looking for the part where it talks about the earth being round. Do you know where that is?

I just read about The Declining Day...


"I swear by the declining day that perdition shall be the lot of man, except for those who have faith and do good works; who exhort each other to justice and to fortitude."  Surah 103:1-3



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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 9:55pm
Perhaps you did not go thru my last post at page 4.
 
What do you understand by "declining day" - Can u kindly share it.
 


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 11 January 2009 at 10:35pm
Hope you got the answer from the post above of "Mark of the beast" and how Islam relates it.
 
Brother Seekshidayath, does the Quran say that some beasts are not going to be effected even by the word of God?
 
And, is it possible that we are faced with some such beast, here and now? Beasts who glee at the Palestinian plight and throw shahada at us as if it wasn't created by their country's crimes against humanity of these past few decades.
 
We must starve such psychopathic beats of our attention.


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Posted By: Adam192
Date Posted: 12 January 2009 at 1:49pm
The beast is definitely bad, correct?

Adam


Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 12 January 2009 at 9:52pm
As Salamu Alaikum
 
Adam, earlier, i thought it was good. But i came to know that there's nothing good or bad. We are just to take it as a prophecy, as the hadith says. We believe that there's going to be an emergence of beast before doomsday - Its a sign of Hour.


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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 15 January 2009 at 1:20am
Ussalaamoalaikum Brothers
OK the sign of the hour is that I have found Beast and that belong to new POTUS

Obama's 'Beast' of a car revealed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7829475.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7829475.stm



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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 15 January 2009 at 2:50am
As Salamu Alaikum
 
LOL LOL. - MARK OF THE BEAST
 


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