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'Jews' and 'Christians'

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Topic: 'Jews' and 'Christians'
Posted By: honeto
Subject: 'Jews' and 'Christians'
Date Posted: 01 January 2009 at 10:25am
Interestingly, Jews and Christians hold and read the same book as sacred devine word, yet Jews believe in God, One of One. On the other hand Christians who adopted the Jewish sacred book and included it as part of their holy book say God is three-in-One (Triune).
Where and when did the transition/transformation of God from One of One to One of three began.
I am interested to know if anyone has the knowledge of it.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"



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Posted By: Adam192
Date Posted: 02 January 2009 at 8:08am
the transition from pure monotheism to trinitarian monotheism was formalized in the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. this was when Constantine gathered all religious officials and decided which doctrines were valid and which ones were heresy

my 2 cents


Adam


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 02 January 2009 at 10:25pm
Here is the chronology of the development of the Trinity I read in Maryam Jameelah's(formerly Margaret Marcus) book Islam versus ahle Al- kitab past and present..
AD32:
        About this the gospels recorded- "I ascend uto my Father and your Father and my God and your God!

AD 57:
        About this time Saul/Paul wrote, "There is but one God and Father  and  son, Jesus Christ."

AD 96:
         About this time Clement wrote "Christ was sent by God and the             aposles were sent by Christ."
AD 120:
           The Apostles' Creed begins to be known to the Church. I believe in God, the Father Almighty."

AD 150:
            Justin Martyr began with Platonic philosophy to corrupt Chritian simplicity.

AD 170:
           The word Trias first occurred in Christian literature.

AD 200:
           The word Trinitas is used by Tertullian.
AD 230:
            Origen writes against prayers being offered to Christ.
AD 260:
            Sabellius taught that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three names for the same God.

AD 310:
           Lactanius wrote that Christ never called himself God!
AD 320:
            Eusebius writes " Christ teaches us to call his Father, the true God and to worship him"

AD 325:
           The council of Nicea agrees to call Christ God of Gods very God of very God!

AD 350:
           Geat conflict in the church about the doctrine of Trinity.

AD 370:
           The doxology Glory be to the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost" composed and objected to as novelty.
AD 381:
            The Council of Constantinople gives the finishing touch to the doctrine of three persons in one God.

AD 383:
           The Emperor Theodosius threatened to punish all who would not believe in and worship the Trinity!

Therefore the doctrine of Trinity, imposed by imperial decree, did not become Christian dogma until nearly four centuries after the birth of Jesus!

In the post Nicene period the union of the church and state transformed theological error into legal offense!
         


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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 4:14pm
Adam and Signreader,
thanks for your input, and it has been very helpful in order to understand when and how the trasformation from God as One to God the Father, God the son, and God the Holy Ghost might have taken place.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"


Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 03 January 2009 at 7:15pm
LOL!!  You guys!!  So why do Muslims call Jews pigs and want them all dead?
 
The concept, idea of the Trinity is in the Gospel that your Quran validates.  The naming of the concept of the unity of GOD, the tri-unity of GOD followed the timeline you have mentioned.
It is merely our perception of the One True GOD that is different


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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 04 January 2009 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by believer



LOL!!

 You guys!!  So why do Muslims call Jews pigs

cuz the Pig is the sign of bank and you know who owns them!LOL


 
Originally posted by believer

and want them all dead?

It is kind of late to table that.........
Now that is a universal discussion but there is a solution according to a blog post:
In all of recorded history, there was only one civilization which the Jews could not destroy. Because of this, they have given it the silent treatment. Few American college graduates with a Ph.D. degree could tell you what the Byzantine Empire was.

It was the Empire of East Rome, set up by Roman leaders after the Jews had destroyed Rome. This empire functioned in Constantinople for twelve hundred years, the longest duration of any empire in the history of the world.

Throughout the history of Byzantium, as it was known, by imperial edict, no Jew was allowed to hold any post in the Empire, nor was he allowed to educate the young. The Byzantine Empire finally fell to the Turks after twelve centuries of prosperity, and the Jews have attempted to wipe out all traces of its history.

Yet its edicts against the Jews were not cruel; in fact, the Jews lived unmolested and prosperously in the empire throughout its history, but here alone the vicious cycle of host and parasite did not take place.

It was a Christian civilization, and the Jews were not able to exercise any influence. Nor did the Orthodox priests bewilder their congregations with any vicious lies about Christ being a Jew.

No wonder the Jews want to eradicate the memory of such a culture.

It was Ezra Pound who launched upon a study of Byzantine civilization, and who reminded the world of this happily non-Jewish land.

From the Byzantines, Pound derived his no-violent formula for controlling the Jews.

"The answer to the Jewish problem is simple," he said.

"Keep them out of banking, out of education, out of government."

And this is how simple it is.

There is no need to kill the Jews. In fact, every pogrom in history has played into their hands, and has in many instances been cleverly instigated by them.

Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community.

Get the Jews out of education and they can not pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines.

Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.

 
Originally posted by believer

The concept, idea of the Trinity is in the Gospel that your Quran validates.

May be you have a home made validation that you need to share and quit that whatever you smoke......

 
Originally posted by believer

The naming of the concept of the unity of GOD, the tri-unity of GOD followed the timeline you have mentioned.

Is English your mother tongue? What in God's name you are trying to say above?

Originally posted by believer

It is merely our perception of the One True GOD that is different
Got it ;so it is not your belief rather perception that was also of all the previous people having trinitarian concepts about god or gods......




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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 05 January 2009 at 1:20pm
believer,
it was for a good reason that I have adviced you before that its wise to listen when you don't have anything useful to say.
Hasan


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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"



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