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Topic: Ali bin Abi Talib.
Posted By: Friendship
Subject: Ali bin Abi Talib.
Date Posted: 01 October 2008 at 6:54am
Dear brothers Id Mubarak!
From your write ups, you know about the history of Islam. I am not a shit'ite and I do not believe in sectarianism. I am a Muslim. I understand Ali bin Abi Talib as a believer and a follower of Muhammad Rasulullah. He has two positions in Islam. People do not understand his role according to the Quraysh customs- the one closest to a clan. The holy Prophet had no male child and Ali happened to be the one among the sons of Abi Talib to be under his guardianship due to impoverishment of Abu Talib. ja'afar was 15 years old and stayed with Al-Abbas. Abu Lahab the riches was stingy. Harith died very early. Abdullah, Abu Talib and Harith with I think 8 females were full brothers. So Ali was the closes of the Propehts cousins. Ibn Abbas was yet to be born. Abdullah bin Umar was a distant cousin. So Ali took the important position of representing the holy Propeht according to their customs but not according to Islam because Allah said, "Fastabiqul khayrat". We are not allowed to say one is superior to the other as exemplied by Allah in Sura Baqra:253, Zukhruf:32. The Sahabas were appointed to positions by the holy Prophet according to their knowledge and the requirement in that position.We are all to race with one another to get the best from Allah buy following the Sunna of the holy Prophet.  Ali was asked if the holy Prophet gave them a special position above others. he said, "No! except from what is betwen the two leaves". Ali's eloqunce was genetic and induced by his closeness to the holy Prophet. His father was a great poet. The most eloquent of the Quraysh was the holy Prophet. So Ali was bound to be eloquent as a proof that he stayed with the holy Prophet and not with Abu jahl (Abu Hakam). Ali's grandmother was from the famous Banu Makhzum tribe and so he must be a warrior, like Khalid bin walid, Ja'afar bin Abi Talib, Umar, Abu Jahl, Aqil bin Abi Talib (I think matryed during the battle of Yarmuk or Qaddisiyya). The Quraysh Muhajiruns and his cousins alive at that period (death of Uthman) were all younger than Ali or were his contemporaries. Ali's confrontation was not primarily with the Sahabas, but with the young illiterate and over zealous Muslims from Iraq, Egypt, Syria and the neighbouring tribes who were yet to understand the Sunna.  They took the advantage of the Pilgrimage when few Sahabas were in Madina and launched their assault. Did they not accuse Ali of conspiracy? What could he have done at that time?.
On the question of Ahl bayt, we must seperate between the Ahl bayt according to Arab customs and Ahyl bayt that covers all Muslims. Hasan and Husayn were the grandchildren of the holy Prophet from their mothers side. The Sunna was clear on what to do with them after the death of their father or mother. But we inherit from the father and not mother like the Children of Israel. Why then should we not treat the rest of Ali's children on the same level? The maltreatment they received was a history and was not allowed by the Shari'a. So we have nothing to do with that. Allah will pay them in full. I do not see anywhere in the Qur'an where leadership is to be based on inheritance. The Prophets of the Children of Israel were appointed by Allah on fear of Allah and their knowledge but not on any other criteria. We should not quesion why Allah choose Prophets from them. If Ali was chosen as the Khalifa at that time, I believed that was the Sunna and what they understood from the holy Prophet. We were not there! The election of Abubakar who was not technically a Quraysh proved that the Sunna has nothing to do with personal desires or inheritance etc. It is purely on merit. Look, I have one experience! I have a grandchild who comes to disturbs me while praying in the same manner described Hasan and Husayn were doing. But my granddaughter does not come to disturb me neither does she disturbs her grandmother. So please let us respect history and the Sunna!
But what are we doing today? Who among the Muslim leaders today is elected on the criteria set up by the Qur'an and the Sunna or anything resembling the election of Abubakar or Ali?  Is it the Sunna that it is one of prerequisites of the leader of the Muslim Umma to be leading them in prayer? Why should we go to the Ka'ba and be lead in prayers by not our respective Political leaders, but by only thsoe who are not Ahl hal wal aqd?    
Please let us forget about Usbiyya and stick to what is clear. Let us remember what Ali told ibn Abbas when he sent him to meet those confronting him (called the Khawarij), "Discuss with them according to the Sunna, for the Qur'an has may interpretations". Those who do not know the Sunna of the holy Prophet in selecting leaders for the Umma, should please endeavour to know. Let us be practically oriented and not theoreticians! I always remeber Umar ibn Khattab and Ai bn Abi Talib for the work they did to Islam. But that does not mean that I do not remember Abubakar. I remember Abubakr wheneer i am reading Surat baqara in Subh prayer and Umar when reading Sura Yusuf. Islam now is need of warriors not those who are ready to comprise the Sunna for worldy positions!
Friendship 



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Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 01 October 2008 at 4:25pm
Eid mubarak to u and all other muslim brothers...
infact i seem to like ure post for it has a gud sence of calmness and politeness about it..

The upbringing of Imam Ali (a.s) by the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is another fazeelah of Imam Ali (a.s)...and for many reasons he was given one of the most highest status among the other sahaabaas he had...he was the only sahaaba wich was mentioned as Haq, and with QURAN, while his(a.s)'s enmity is the enmity of the Prophet (a.s)>....while in the Quran there are numerous aya's referring to the fazeelah of Imam Ali (a.s) and the criteria of Ulil Amr given in quran is undoutedly for Imam Ali (a.s)....
while i say this i also would like to remind u that The status of Ahlel Bayt (a.s) was not set up because they were the desendents of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)...but the fact is the Prophet's generation continued thru H.Fatima, as there are hadith wich contradict ure statment...

Ibn Abi'l-Hadid Mu'tazali, one of your greatest scholars, in hisSharh-i-Nahju'l-Balagha (Commentary on the Peak of Eloquence [writingsof Commander of the Faithful, Ali]), and Abu Bakr Razi in hiscommentary, have cited the same verse, arguing that Hasan andHusain are, from the side of their mother, the sons of the holyProphet in the same way that Allah in the Holy Qur'an has includedChrist in the progeny of Abraham from the side of his mother,Mary.


and there is another hadith of the Prophet (a.s) which says, "The generation of each Prophet was from his own body but mine is from Ali"

But still, i would like to remind u, that the status of Imam ALi (a.s), Imam Hassan (a.s) and Imam Hussain (a.s) is not given due to their relation to the prophet (a.s)...its just that the Prophet (a.s) has mentioned their merits which are undeniable...

its just being tooo naive wen one accepts the khilafat system of the Rashidite....as it was based by few people who gathered in Saqifa...while morally they should not have been there....Allah (s.w.t) had chosen a successor of the Prophet (a.s)....but the majority rejected him....for various reasons....and its not upto Allah (s.w.t) to force people to follow the right....its based on choiceof individual....which depends on one going to Jannat and Jahannum....

one cannot deny that there were Hypocrites among the people around the Prophet (a.s)....and evidence in the revelation of surah Al-munafiqoon.....infact we have seen that people did turn up against the Ahle Bayt, who shud at least have been respected to the most,if not followed as a leader...they were denied their rights, wars were fought against them.....but still the truth survived....

infact there would have been no differences among the Ummah if there wud not have been such events against the Ahle Bayt (a.s)..and the sunnat of the prophet (a.s) and QUran wud have been followed.......and it wud have been ez to see all the muslims to be lead by one person who wud have been on HAQ.....but suddenly we see it as impossible situation...

no one wants disunity, and wars....everybody likes to live in peace...


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 05 October 2008 at 3:08am
Assalamu alaikum.
 

 

          No controversy or misunderstanding in the institution of    the Khalifate.

How can there be controversy or misunderstanding in a Sunna of Allah in which He defended in saying, “And indeed We have put forth every kind of example (similitude) in this Qur’an, for mankind that he may remember”. There is no need to enter into disputes or controversy on things that are obvious and one is accountable to. Imam Shankiti in his Tafsir said, “Things are so explained in the holy Qur’an like the 4th hour of the day that no one will ever deny not seeing them, but some people because of their prejudice and obstinacy deny such sings”. Let us respect the Sahabas, the people Allah chose to be witness to Muhammad’s Imaan. He asked them 3 times in a crowd of 120,000 if he had delivered the Message intact and unadulterated. They all affirmed to him that he had delivered the Message as was sent to him. If what we are saying about the Sahabas was a misquote or underreporting by one of them, then his case will be with Allah, for no one told him the truth, or explained to him what was dubious to him. Probably he just accepted Islam the day before! But today the Sunna is 1429 years old. Let us weigh, compare, estimate our way of life with those of the Sahabas covering the period 10-40 A.H, and the Umayyad (40-122 A.H) and Abbasid empires. If any of them disbelieved about the nature of Khalifate as described and command by Allah then according to Qur’an chapter 22:19, “These two opponents (believers and disbelievers) dispute with each other about their Lord: then as for those who disbelieved, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads”. Are we saying that Abubakar, Umar, Uthman, Talhah, Zubayr, ibn Umar and the rest of the participants of Uhud and Badr who witnessed the battle Siffin and Camel, and all the wives of the holy Prophet are in Hell fire, only Ali bin Abi Talib is in Paradise?  We are expecting the 600 Syrian fighters put to slaughter by Aisha to be in Hell fire? No! Ali was extremely lenient to those who fought him and took the option of not putting them to slaughter. Muhammad Rasulullah did the same thing. That fell under the prerogative of the Khalifa, the leader of the Muslim Umma under the Divine Guidance of Allah. Let us face our problem- sectarianism, despotism, supporting illiterate and tyrants as our rulers. If according to Maududi, Abi bin Abi Talib reciting chapter 7:43 said, “I do expect that Allah will remove the misunderstandings between me and Uthman and Talhah and Zubair”, Allah will not remove the misunderstanding between us. Their incidence is supposed to serve as a lesson to us, just as the previous revelations. It was just a reemphasis that we should not behave like the Children of Israel disliking what Allah chose for us. What destroyed the Children of Israel was lack of Khalifa from Allah

Allah commanded us in chapter 5:8, “To stand our firmly for Allah as just witnesses; and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice”. I understand to stand out firmly for Allah means to be the representative of Allah, saying what He says in the holy Qur’an. Then in chapter 4:135 He says, “Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses even though it is against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, be he rich or poor”. I understand this meaning: One should tell the truth regarding the Sunna, for justice was established by the holy Prophet and the Sahabas.  It also commanded us not disunite but to remain one body! Are we saying that the Sahabas did not stand for justice immediately after the death of the holy Prophet!

We should therefore understand what happened when Prophet Muhammad returned to his house after Gabriel visited him in the cave of Hiira:-

(1)  He met his wife Khadija and she accepted Islam after assuring him of his Prophethood.   Ruqayya and Zaynab and Umm Kulthum were not in the house. Fatima was barely 5 years old and was given precedence as Ali was then 10 years old. So he became the first young male child within the family of Muhammad to accept Islam after hesitating initially. Zayd about 20 years old, was probably sent on a mission as he was older than Ali. So when he returned he was told about Islam and he accepted it.

(2)  Historians said Abubakar was not in town by the time the holy Prophet returned from the cave. He was in Yemen or en route from Yemen to Makka. On entering Makka he was met by Abu Jahl and Mughira who told him of the news of Muhammad declaring himself as Prophet. He immediately went to the holy Prophet and enquired about the much awaiting News. He confirmed to him and there and then he accepted Islam. The holy Prophet remarked, “Whenever I offered Islam to any person he showed hesitation before embracing it. But Abubakar is an exception, because he accepted my offer to join it without the slightest hesitation on his part”.

(3)  Historians gave credit to Abubakar for spreading Islam to his friends. He was able to get 16 influential Qurayshites to accept Islam giving way to spread of Islam in Makka. He was 37 years then and held influential position among the Quraysh tribe. He was consulted on all matters of vital importance and considerable weight was given to his opinion. His important function was that of Ushnaq (hanging) and in no case murder blood-money could be accepted without his approval. His business in merchandise made him well known in neighboring Syria, Yemen.  He was among the 10 most respected Quraysh elders of Makka and an expert in their genealogy. Historians concluded that it is not easy to separate the life history of Muhammad from that of Abubakar and Umar. Each clan of the Quraysh played their own role in the propagation of Islam directly or indirectly. Abu Jahl, Utba, Umayya, Abu Lahab, Mughira, etc should not be castigated by anyone today for in the long run they could produce  their argument on the Day of Judgment that without them there would have been no Revelation. They would then be forgiven and enter Paradise.  Definitely the role played by Abubakar in the propagation of Islam is available in the annuls of Islamic history.  Those interested to know what he did to Islam should pursue unbiased scholarship and copy him to vie with him on the Day of Judgment. As for me I will vie with Hamza, Umar and Ali on that Day for I am not wealthy.

 

How Allah Willed Abubakar to be the 1st Khalifa. Abubakar was a distant brother of the holy Prophet meeting the holy Prophet at the 9th position of the family tree of the Quraysh. Those nearest to the holy Prophet who accepted Islam among his male uncles was Hamza bin Abdul Mutallab. Their age difference was just about 6 months. His conversion sent Makka into convulsions for he accepted Islam after drawing dagger with the with the Banu Makhzum tribe. It was an unprecedented conversion.  I often reflect, had Hamza not martyred in the battle of Uhud, could Abubakar be elected as the Khalifa? Supposing Al-Abbas did not hide his faith, could Abubakar be elected s the Khalifa? This will be my question to Allah on the Day of Judgment.

The incident in the Saqifa (shade) Bani Sa’dah was the doing of the Ansars and not the Muhajirin. A messenger came with the news that the Ansar have assembled there discussing on who is to lead the Muslim Umma. Then Umar suggested to Abubakar that they should attend the meeting. The Adi clan of Umar were the ambassadors of the Quraysh. So, Umar accordingly was right to think that way. The Ansars were right to quickly begin to know who would be their leader because they knew the advantage of a leader with Divine Guidance from Allah. The Muhajirin did not nurse that idea in their hearts because their migration was solely for the sake of Allah and not worldly position. Let us remember that the Muhajirin were not allowed by Prophet Muhammad to take possessions of their property in Makka after its conquest. After the lengthy discussions between the Ansar and Muhajirin, Zaid bin Thabit and Bashir bin Sa’d (sa’d bin Ubbaada [all Ansar]) convinced their tribesman to put down their claim of leading the Muslim Umma. When they agreed to surrender leadership to the Muhajirin, to await their reward from Allah, Abubakar now suggested that the Muhajirin should select either Umar or Abu Ubayda bin al Jarrah to lead the Muslim Umma. This was as a result, I guess according to the position their ancestors occupied in the Quraysh family tree. Umar bin Khattab and ibn al-Jarrah now cut in and said, “No, we cannot give preference to ourselves over you in this matter. You are undoubtedly the most excellent of the Muhajirin; you are the second of the two in the Cave (quoting chapter 9:40); you have officiated the holy Prophet in leading the Salat; and Salat is the most excellent (thing) in religion. For whom therefore would it be proper to take precedence over you in this matter and assume the office (or the Khilafat in your presence)? Stretch your hand and we offer bai’at unto you”. This was the reason given by the Sahabas in choosing Abubakar.

How Allah willed Ali bin Abi Talib to be a Khalifa. Some Muslims recall the meeting that took place 3 years after the beginning of revelation using it to assert the Khilafat of Ali bin Abi Talib. However we should remember that the reason behind the meeting was to invite the immediate relations to Muhammad to accept Islam as a prelude to its dissipation openly in Makka. By then the preaching was done in house except Abubakar who made it open. The meeting in the house of the holy Prophet was attended by Zayd, Ja’afar and Ali and the chiefs of Makka totaling 40 of them. In the meeting the holy Prophet invited them to accept Islam and to be his deputies later. Zayd and ja’afar did not respond to the call for they were already Muslims. Those in attendance all kept quiet. It was then that the 13 year old Ali who answered him. The holy Prophet then said, “This is my brother, mine executor and my successor amongst you. Hearken unto him, and obey him”.  Alhamdulillah the saying of Muhammad later became true. But this is not the only prediction of the holy Prophet that became true to those who lived to see it. What of what happened at the battle of Mu’ta, the assassination of Umar, Uthman and Ali? He predicted the division of his Umma into sects and the appointment of illiterate and immoral people as leaders of his Umma. So what, in that sense? He told that Abu Zar will die alone.  

It is not true that Allah singled out Ali bin Abi Talib at the exclusion of all believers. Those who know Asbabun Nuzul will understand that even Abu jahl and the rest of the disbelievers were mentioned indirectly in the holy Qur’an. Chapter 9:40 definitely was referring to Abubakar; chapter 9:118 was referring to Ka’b, Murara and Hilal. Chapter 58:11-12 was a conversation between Ali and the holy Prophet. We have 4 verses revealed in relation to Umar. Imam Shatibi mentioned some 38 verses of the holy Qur’an revealed as compensation to the believers in singling out the holy Prophet.

How Ali became the 4th Khalifa. According to my research there were only about 20 Sahabas excluding the wives of the holy Prophet alive by 36 A.H. The eldest of them were Sa’d bin Abi Waqqas and Ali bin Abi Talib all round 59 years old. Mua’awiya was 3 years younger than them. So the only one who could contest the Khalifate with Ali was ibn Waqqas. But we knew that he opted out of it during the selection of Uthman. So Ali became the only one form the Muhajirin to be elected according to the precedence of age, knowledge and the time of Hijra.  There was a criterion set by the Muslim scholars for selecting a Khalifa and according to them an Umma seized to be a Muslim Umma when they failed to comply with them. Those who want to understand the position of Khalifate should read the following books:

Al-Mizan by Taba Taba’I Vol.1.

Tafsir Qur’an by Shinkiti P. 56-66.

Nizaamul Hukm fii Islam by Dr. Muhammad Yusuf Musa.

Dawlat Rasuul fii Madina by Dr. Salih Ahmad Aliyu.

The Islamic State by Taqiuddin an-Nabhani.

There are others but these are enough unless one is looking for the impossible – finding controversy or failure for one to say he has not understood the Sunna.

Friendship.

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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 05 October 2008 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by Friendship

This will be my question to Allah on the Day of Judgment.

Sounds a bit presumptuous to ask Allah swt!
Otherwise good info.


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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 06 October 2008 at 2:05am
Assalamu alaikum.
 
I am right. This is what is called Mizah (cracking joke with Allah) after the Judgment. Those bestowed with Paradise will at that moment ask Allah what they want. I have alot of unanswered questions for Him. That will be the greatest pleasure of my life! 
Friendship


Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 06 October 2008 at 4:50am
Salaams br.Friendship..

there are many points given by you....and i agree with some while i differ with some....
can u please point out the "questions" u have raised for me???

thnx.

regards..


Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 13 October 2008 at 10:27am
This is in reply to the above text u have given...

first of all...u have said that the sahaaba were witness to Prophet Muhammad's eemaan...and had declared that he had given the message of Allah (s.w.t) unadulterated....
the fact is...the kuffar also used to accepted the fact that Prophet (a.s) was "Sadiq" and "ameen"...thus saying with ones mouth doesnt have any merits if the heart is deviated...

For those who were with the Prophet (a.s), Allah (SWT) has also said:
"O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; But Him ye would not harm in the least, For Allah hath power over all things."[9:38-39>

This is a clear indication that some of the companions were lazy during the call to Jihad and other activities, and, thus, deserved the above reprimand by Allah (SWT).

This is not the only instance where Allah (SWT) threatened to replace them:
"... If you turn back (from the path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you! [47:38>"
Could you tell me Who Allah is referring by "you" in the above verse? arent they the hypocrites who were "with" the prophet (a.s)..

Allah also said: "O you who believe! Do not raise your voices above the voice of prophet ... lest your deeds become null while you do not perceive." (Quran 49:2).

Authentic Sunni traditions confirm that there have been some companions who used to oppose the Prophet's order and quarrel with him in several occasions:

a) There was the issue of the captives of the battle "Badr" that the Prophet ordered their freedom for payment of the ransom money (Fidyah), and these companions went against it.

b) There was the battle of "Tabook" that the Prophet ordered to slaughter the camels, to save their lives, and the same people went against it.

c) There was the treaty of "Hudabiyyah" that the Prophet wanted to make peace with people of Mecca, and the very same companions went against it and they even cast doubt about the prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH&HF).

d) There was the battle of "Hunain" where they accused the Prophet of injustice in distributing the war booty.

e) There was the appointment of "Usamah Ibn Zayd" who was assigned as the leader of Islamic army by the Prophet, and these companions disobeyed the order to follow him. f) There was a tragic Thursday when the Messenger of Allah wanted to state his will,

And there are many more of such reports which can be even found in Sahih al-Bukhari. thus there wre people even at the time of the Prophet (a.s) who promoted disunity and conspired against the Ahlel Bayt...

br. Friendhip...u are being naive wen u say that Allah (s.w.t) made abu bakr the caliph over the muslims...what happend at saqifa was a man made issue and decision was taken on the basis of personal liking.... infact the issue of caliphate cud have been sorted out after the burial of the Prophet (a.s)...because there was no emergency....as there was not war or any such political situation....

it is harsh to say that shias belive that Imam Ali (a.s) is the only one campanion who will go to Jannah...infact the view of the companionship of Prophet (a.s) is very clear...
as the quran had already warned some of the companions:

"Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the Messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; But Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude. [3:144>"

as far as i know, saad bin ibaada (r.a) refused to give bay'ah to abu bakr..and his tribe khzraj was not in support of the caliphate..

in the end u have based the reason of caliphate given to Imam Ali (a.s) was due to age....and experience... infact the Ahlel Bayt (a.s) was given explicit merits over the other people...as a famous hadith says:

Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum) which is located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded Him, and then said: "O' people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance... The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. (three times)."

Sunni Reference: Sahih Muslim, Chapter of the virtues of the companions, section of the virtues of Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1873, Tradition #36.

thus it is clear that one cannot deny that Imam Ali (a.s) was given a higher status during the lifetime of the Prophet (a.s) and that is true even after his (a.s)'s death....


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 17 October 2008 at 4:27pm

 

This is in reply to the above text u have given...

first of all...u have said that the sahaaba were witness to Prophet Muhammad's eemaan...and had declared that he had given the message of Allah (s.w.t) unadulterated....
the fact is...the kuffar also used to accepted the fact that Prophet (a.s) was "Sadiq" and "ameen"...thus saying with ones mouth doesnt have any merits if the heart is deviated...

For those who were with the Prophet (a.s), Allah (SWT) has also said:
"O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; But Him ye would not harm in the least, For Allah hath power over all things."[9:38-39>

 

Answer: The verse according to its Asbaabun Nuzuul was revealed at the instant of Tabuuk expedition, and the name of the hypocrites who refused to participate (80 in all) were recorded by then.  3 Sahabas who did not participate were pardoned by Allah. (9:118).  The number of the Sahabas that participated in the expedition was 30,000. I do not know the number of the people of Madina. So the percentage is very negligible; 3 out of 30,000.  


This is not the only instance where Allah (SWT) threatened to replace them:
"... If you turn back (from the path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you! [47:38>"
Could you tell me Who Allah is referring by "you" in the above verse? Are’nt they the hypocrites who were "with" the prophet (a.s.

 

Answer: Yes they were hypocrites and they knew who they were. They were not the Muhajiriin, but the people of Abdullah ibn Ubayy ibn Salul. Please do not accuse them of hypocrisy! They were so to speak our guinea pigs, rabbits, frogs and dogfish. These animals were dissected by those who want to become doctors so as to learn how to operate on human beings. The hypocrites were used as model by Allah to teach us and warn us what hypocrisy is all about! We do not take lessons, while we should have!  

Allah also said: "O you who believe! Do not raise your voices above the voAnswer: Yes thy wer the hypice of prophet ... lest your deeds become null while you do not perceive." (Quran 49:2).

Answer: According to Asbaabul Nuzuul this verse was revealed in relation to the deaf, Thaabit ibn Qays bin Shimaal. In another narration Abubakar and Umar raised their voices when a caravan from Banii Tamiim arrived. Umar started calling in a loud voice the name of Aqra’a while Abubakar was calling the name of another man. So the verse was revealed that they should not shout in the presence of the holy Prophet. Anyway we do not raise our voice in the presence of our leaders. But one good thing about the Sahabas was they said what was in their mind and advised the holy Prophet on what was best for them. If they raised their voice for him to hear is a different thing altogether.


Authentic Sunni traditions confirm that there have been some companions who used to oppose the Prophet's order and quarrel with him in several occasions:

a) There was the issue of the captives of the battle "Badr" that the Prophet ordered their freedom for payment of the ransom money (Fidyah), and these companions went against it.

Answer:  The captives of Badr were all Quraysh their relations.  They came to Abubakar and Umar asking them to intercede on their behalf. The holy Prophet sought their opinion as was given in the Siira. Then the holy Prophet was given the hard task of choosing between what Umar said and what Abubakar said. The Prophet showed leniency towards them while Umar wanted them to be beheaded. Understand the difference between opposing the Prophets order and advise please. Any body who opposed his order is dealt with on the spot. When the holy Prophet told the Ansars to withdraw from the battle field and were replaced by Hamza, Ali and Ubayda they obeyed him. The holy Prophet took their advise and they went and occupied the wells of badr and they stood on wet sand.    


b) There was the battle of "Tabook" that the Prophet ordered to slaughter the camels, to save their lives, and the same people went against it.

Answer: I have come across this incident in my reference books. It was said that the camel of Abu Zarr tarried behind and he disembarked and went on foot.

 

 There was the treaty of "Hudabiyyah" that the Prophet wanted to make peace with people of Mecca, and the very same companions went against it and they even cast doubt about the prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH&HF).
Answer: Please read the story of Hudaibiya carefully by Dr. Muhammad Abdulqadir Abu Faris. Let us praise the courage of the Sahabas and their determination to go and perform the Umra. They were already at war with the Quraysh and it would an insult to them to allow the Quraysh to deter them from performing the Umra according to their tradition. Allah gave permission in Sura 2:194. I could not imagine them bowing down to Quraysh if they were sincere believers. So you are saying that Ali bin Abi was a coward?  Look, they won the Badr, Uhud partially, Khandaq. Any way Allah pardoned them and they offered Bai’at to the holy Prophet which Allah was pleased with. Remember that Ali bin Abi Talib refused to strike the name Muhammad Rasulullah in place of Muhammad ibn Abdullah as requested by Suhayl.

 
d) the battle of "Hunain" where they accused the Prophet of injustice in distributing the war booty.

Answer: Yes. You must understand the Sahabas did not have the same level of understanding. It was the tribe of Hawazain who just embraced Islam who showed in- patience in the distribution of the large amount of the spoils. They did not understand the generosity of the holy Prophet. To the complainer Ju’ayl b. Suraaqa the holy Prophet said, “I have treated them generously so that they may become Muslims, and I have entrusted Ju’ayl to his Islam .Distributing spoils of war was the prerogative of the holy Prophet and nobody else. Dhuul-Khuwaysira also complained and accused the holy Apostle of injustice because the holy Prophet gave some Sahabas 100 camels each, others less then that and Abbas b. Mirdaas less. So what?  Only 4 people out of 6,000 troops complained. They were not even from the Ansars. It is unfair to generalize!

 

 e) There was the appointment of "Usamah Ibn Zayd" who was assigned as the leader of Islamic army by the Prophet, and these companions disobeyed the order to follow him.

 

Answer: Probably those who complained did not know that the holy Prophet promised Usamah that he will visit the grave of his father. The expedition had the secondary purpose of war, but the primary cause was the visit by Usamah to his father’s grave. Usmah was just 22 years old and naturally they would complain of that. The samething happened during the battle of Badr, Uhud and Khandaq. At least they obeyed the decision of Abubakar.

 

f) There was a tragic Thursday when the Messenger of Allah wanted to state his will,

 

Answer: I praised the action of the Sahabas because the holy Prophet said he left them the Book of Allah and his Sunna. We do not need any will from the holy Prophet. If Allah was not pleased with their action they could have been rebuked by Him.

And there are many more of such reports which can be even found in Sahih al-Bukhari. thus there were people even at the time of the Prophet (a.s) who promoted disunity and conspired against the Ahlel Bayt...


 Answer: Those who conspired against the Ahl-al-bayt were well known- the people of Egypt, Iraq, Persia and Syria. There case is with Allah. If He likes He will forgive them or else He will punish them according to their intention. But today Islam is 1429 years. We have no excuse to give to Allah for our utter failure to establish the Khalifate! This is the greatest debacle. We should be concerned with what Allah revealed to us. How old were Hassan and Hussein?

 
br. Friendhip...u are being naive wen u say that Allah (s.w.t) made abu bakr the caliph over the muslims...what happend at saqifa was a man made issue and decision was taken on the basis of personal liking.... infact the issue of caliphate cud have been sorted out after the burial of the Prophet (a.s)...because there was no emergency....as there was not war or any such political situation...

 

Answer: The holy Prophet said before a group of 3 Muslims embark on a journey they should select their leader. The incident of Saqifa was a decision taken by the Ansar and Muhajirin. Yes, the Ansar felt the shock of the departure of the holy Prophet more than the Muhajirin because he was their protector, who helped them against the children of Israel. Their action proved their understanding of Islam and the importance of a Khalifa of the Khalifa of Muhammad Rasulullah. Madina was their land and they were inclined to think of its protection. Imagine the Emperor Heraclius descending on them after the news?  Let us be careful. If Allah chose good people to lead the Children of Israel and that they never failed them, are you saying that Allah chose bad people for those (Muslims) following the Islam brought by Muhammad Rasulullah? Know that the whole of the Muslim empire rebelled except the people of Madina and Makka.

 

it is harsh to say that shias belive that Imam Ali (a.s) is the only one campanion who will go to Jannah...infact the view of the companionship of Prophet (a.s) is very clear...
as the quran had already warned some of the companions:

Answer: It is wrong for a Muslim to call himself with a name other than a Muslim. If after the battle of Banu Al-Mustaliq the holy Prophet disallowed the Muhajirin calling themselves Muhajirin and the Ansar calling themselves Ansar, then those who today call themselves with a name other then Muslim will have a case to answer soon.   Anyway the holy Prophet predicted the division of his Umma into 73 parts, only one is with him. I am a Muslim not a Shiite, not Ahl-al-sunna, no Qadiriyya, not Tijjaniyya or Ahmadiya etc.


as far as i know, saad bin ibaada (r.a) refused to give bay'ah to abu bakr..and his tribe khzraj was not in support of the caliphate.


 Answer: Sa’ad bin Ubadah an Ansar was the chief of banu Sa’ad. He was sick at that time. The Ansar thought of him as their leader as he was their leader during the second visit to Aqaba. Abubakar advised them that the Arab tribe would only recognize a Quraysh as a leader because of the position they occupied. He suggested the names of Umar and Abu Ubaydah. The argument continued. Umar refused and argued as I explained earlier. He quickly told Abubakar to lift his hand and he made hid pledge. He called the Ansar to do the same. They did. Yes, Sa’d bin Ubaada did not give his pledge and became determined to fight. The Ansar assured Abubakar that he is alone. He should therefore pay no attention to him. Anyway, I do not know if you read how he died. He died 15 A.H in Syria in a tunnel. His body quickly decayed (maggot) and those around heard a voice saying, “We have stung him with our arrows”.  Anyway, if the lessons in the Qur’an are not enough for one to fear Allah and to stick to Sunna, then as Ali bin Abi Talib said, “If I am guided anyone who followed me will be guided”. If what I said is true, then anyone who opposed me is wrong.

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in the end u have based the reason of caliphate given to Imam Ali (a.s) was due to age....and experience... infact the Ahlel Bayt (a.s) was given explicit merits over the other people...as a famous hadith says:

Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum) which is located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded Him, and then said: "O' people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance... The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. (three times)."

Answer: Yes the Ahl-bayt enjoyed special position in their position as Banu Hashim. This instruction is from Allah and hence the Sunna of the holy Prophet. Hassan and Hussein who did not participate in any of the Gazwa were given about 6,000 dirhams as their stipends! I have forgotten how much the wives of the holy Prophet were given. Umar bin Khattab paid 40,000 dirhams for the dowry of Umm Kulthum the daughter of Ali. Ali did not enjoy any special position except that of the ‘son’ of the holy Prophet. During the Tabuk expedition the holy Prophet appointed a blind man ibn Maktum as his Khalifa in Madina and Ali as head of his family.   


Sunni Reference: Sahih Muslim, Chapter of the virtues of the companions, section of the virtues of Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1873, Tradition #36.

thus it is clear that one cannot deny that Imam Ali (a.s) was given a higher status during the lifetime of the Prophet (a.s) and that is true even after his (a.s)'s death....

Edited by asda - 13 October 2008 at 10:32am

 

  

 

 



Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 5:51am
My answers are in green


Originally posted by Friendship


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<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Answer: The verse according to its Asbaabun Nuzuul was revealed at the instant of Tabuuk expedition, and the name of the hypocrites who refused to participate (80 in all) were recorded by then.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>3 Sahabas who did not participate were pardoned by Allah. (9:118). <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The number of the Sahabas that participated in the expedition was 30,000. I do not know the number of the people of Madina. So the percentage is very negligible; 3 out of 30,000.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">   </SPAN></SPAN>

we are not talking about percentage here, or majority... if u want to talk about the majority then i can give u the example of Uhud... but the fact i am trying to tell u is that it is very hard to understand that there were no hypocrites among the people around the Prophet (s.a.w)....wen Allah (s.w.t) has repeatedly talked about them..



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I dont think bad-mouthing the hypocrites is not something one shud do....can u plese prove that this aayah was for Abdullah ibn Ubayy ibn Salul and his people.... the tafsirs in the following verse talk about hypocrites in general...



<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT face=Calibri>Answer: According to Asbaabul Nuzuul this verse was revealed in relation to the deaf, Thaabit ibn Qays bin Shimaal. In another narration Abubakar and Umar raised their voices when a caravan from Banii Tamiim arrived. Umar started calling in a loud voice the name of Aqra’a while Abubakar was calling the name of another man. So the verse was revealed that they should not shout in the presence of the holy Prophet. Anyway we do not raise our voice in the presence of our leaders. But one good thing about the Sahabas was they said what was in their mind and advised the holy Prophet on what was best for them. If they raised their voice for him to hear is a different thing altogether.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>



another time wen Umar Raised his voice above the Prophet (s.a.w) was at the event of thursday before the Prophet (a.s)'s death...will be discussed later...


<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT face=Calibri>Answer:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>The captives of Badr were all Quraysh their relations. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They came to Abubakar and Umar asking them to intercede on their behalf. The holy Prophet sought their opinion as was given in the Siira. Then the holy Prophet was given the hard task of choosing between what Umar said and what Abubakar said. The Prophet showed leniency towards them while Umar wanted them to be beheaded. Understand the difference between opposing the Prophets order and advise please. Any body who opposed his order is dealt with on the spot. When the holy Prophet told the Ansars to withdraw from the battle field and were replaced by Hamza, Ali and Ubayda they obeyed him. The holy Prophet took their advise and they went and occupied the wells of badr and they stood on wet sand.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">   </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN>



Dont u think opposing the words of the Prophet (s.a.w) is a major act of disobedience???? it is sad that u have also tried to lower the status of Prophet (s.a.w) wen it comes to saving the people who were with the Prophet (a.s).....
Our Lord also us that: "Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah." (Surat an-Nisa': 80)

isnt going against the words of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) as act of disobedience to Allah (s.w.t) as well...

In another verse, our Lord states:

You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon. Have taqwa of Allah... (Surat al-Hashr: 7)






<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Answer: I have come across this incident in my reference books. It was said that the camel of Abu Zarr tarried behind and he disembarked and went on foot.</SPAN>



Some ppl dint like the orders of the prophet (s.a.w) as they dint want to slaughter their camels...even tho the Prophet (s.a.w) had commanded them to do it to overcome the scarcity of the food...

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Answer: Please read the story of Hudaibiya carefully by Dr. Muhammad Abdulqadir Abu Faris. Let us praise the courage of the Sahabas and their determination to go and perform the Umra. They were already at war with the Quraysh and it would an insult to them to allow the Quraysh to deter them from performing the Umra according to their tradition. Allah gave permission in Sura 2:194. I could not imagine them bowing down to Quraysh if they were sincere believers. So you are saying that Ali bin Abi was a coward? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Look, they won the Badr, Uhud partially, Khandaq. Any way Allah pardoned them and they offered Bai’at to the holy Prophet which Allah was pleased with. Remember that Ali bin Abi Talib refused to strike the name Muhammad Rasulullah in place of Muhammad ibn Abdullah as requested by Suhayl.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>



Maula Ali (a.s) was not a coward...he was simply acting to the verse i quoted above and dint want to go against the words of the Prophet (s.a.w)....
wat i have reffered to is the complaining of Umar at the time of Hudaybiyah and his questions on the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)....and he was not satisfied with the answer of the Prophet (s.a.w)..... u can see the emaan of Umar reflecing there...and his level of yaqeen...

there is a very vast difference on the course of obedience to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) between u and me... For u, anybody can stand up and question the words of the MESSENGER OF ALLAH (s.w.t), while for us its different....wen the command of Prophet Muhammad is cannot be questioned by anybody, exept wen the Prophet (s.a.w) himself takes back his words...and thats what happend wen Imam Ali (a.s) was asked to strike off some words.... Infact i am pretty much sure, of Imam Ali (a.s) would have done that, the people wud have surly questioned his belief in Prophethood.... Look at the Zulm done on the Merits of Imam Ali (a.s)....some call him god, others call him wrong in many actions...there is attack on him from every angles....ppl tried to raise his status than the orignal, and they tried to lower it than the orignal.... None of the People around the Prophet (s.a.w) has faced such zulm....




<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT face=Calibri>Answer: Yes. You must understand the Sahabas did not have the same level of understanding. It was the tribe of Hawazain who just embraced Islam who showed in- patience in the distribution of the large amount of the spoils. They did not understand the generosity of the holy Prophet. To the complainer Ju’ayl b. Suraaqa the holy Prophet said, “I have treated them generously so that they may become Muslims, and I have entrusted Ju’ayl to his Islam .Distributing spoils of war was the prerogative of the holy Prophet and nobody else. Dhuul-Khuwaysira also complained and accused the holy Apostle of injustice because the holy Prophet gave some Sahabas 100 camels each, others less then that and Abbas b. Mirdaas less. So what?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Only 4 people out of 6,000 troops complained. They were not even from the Ansars. It is unfair to generalize!<o:p></o:p></SPAN>



i think i have explaind the obedience of Prophet (s.a.w) in a single verse....wich i think i dont need to repeat..


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<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT face=Calibri>Answer: Probably those who complained did not know that the holy Prophet promised Usamah that he will visit the grave of his father. The expedition had the secondary purpose of war, but the primary cause was the visit by Usamah to his father’s grave. Usmah was just 22 years old and naturally they would complain of that. The samething happened during the battle of Badr, Uhud and Khandaq. At least they obeyed the decision of Abubakar. <o:p></o:p></SPAN>


for those who went against the words of the Prophet (s.a.w), went against the words of Allah (s.w.t)...

y do u think the True Companions of the Prophet (s.a.w) have a status in the eyes of Allah (s.w.t) which hardly anybody can have today....i will not be wrong if i say almost Impossible....THEY HAD SEVERE TESTS TO GIVE IN THOSE DAYS.....



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<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Answer: I praised the action of the Sahabas because the holy Prophet said he left them the Book of Allah and his Sunna. We do not need any will from the holy Prophet. If Allah was not pleased with their action they could have been rebuked by Him.</SPAN>

YA ALLAH!!!!!!!! HOW CAN U JUSTIFY SUCH AN ACT OF ZULM ON PROPHET (s.a.w).....what was the Prophet (a.s) doing....GIVING HIS SUNNAH...IN THE FORM OF WORDS... and the reason of him doing this is given in the following hadith:

before i relate to u the famous hadith....i would remind u that you have actually gone against he words of Umar wen u say "the holy Prophet said he left them the Book of Allah and his
Sunna." because Umar has also said (given in bold)..

This is what we read in Sahih al-Bukhari as narrated by Ibn 'Abbas:

When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab, the Prophet said: "Come near let me write for you a writing
after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said: "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Qur'an, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us." The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while the others said what 'Umar said. When they made much noise and quarreled greatly in front of the Prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their quarrel and noise prevented Allah's Apostle from writing a statement for them.
Sahih al Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 9 hadith number 468 and Volume 7 hadith 573


so according to umar....u dont need the sunnah...and the Book of Allah (s.w.t) is sufficient....and so we dont need the sunnah...

secondly the Prophet (s.a.w) wanted to write something which would help us not go astray...whatever he wanted it to write....but i am sure....whatever it was...if that document had been written, then u and me wouldnt be calling each other "ppl who have gone astray" from the true path....CUZ THE TRUE PATH WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE CLEAR.....


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can u please complete ure question in the last sentence...

since ure post is too long...i will look into the rest of the post in some time....

wsalaam



Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:25am
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<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT face=Calibri>Answer: The holy Prophet said before a group of 3 Muslims embark on a journey they should select their leader. The incident of Saqifa was a decision taken by the Ansar and Muhajirin. Yes, the Ansar felt the shock of the departure of the holy Prophet more than the Muhajirin because he was their protector, who helped them against the children of Israel. Their action proved their understanding of Islam and the importance of a Khalifa of the Khalifa of Muhammad Rasulullah. Madina was their land and they were inclined to think of its protection. Imagine the Emperor Heraclius descending on them after the news? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let us be careful. If Allah chose good people to lead the Children of Israel and that they never failed them, are you saying that Allah chose bad people for those (Muslims) following the Islam brought by Muhammad Rasulullah? Know that the whole of the Muslim empire rebelled except the people of Madina and Makka.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>



u have given an example of the Children of Israel, and compared them to the Ummah of the Prophet (s.a.w)...
can u please tell me how did Allah (s.w.t) choose the leaders of the children of Israel??? secondly were they obidient, or they changed the ways of Prophet Musa (a.s)...


<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT face=Calibri>Answer: It is wrong for a Muslim to call himself with a name other than a Muslim. If after the battle of Banu Al-Mustaliq the holy Prophet disallowed the Muhajirin calling themselves Muhajirin and the Ansar calling themselves Ansar, then those who today call themselves with a name other then Muslim will have a case to answer soon.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">   </SPAN>Anyway the holy Prophet predicted the division of his Umma into 73 parts, only one is with him. I am a Muslim not a Shiite, not Ahl-al-sunna, no Qadiriyya, not Tijjaniyya or Ahmadiya etc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>



1st of all, i would like to ask, y do u differ the muhaajirun and ansars by calling them different names to adress them...
u claim that u r not a sunni, shia etc and just a muslim...i make the same claim...i am neither a sunni or shia...i am a true muslim....
but over here we are making a general comment...we all r muslims...but u surly have the aqeeda of a sunni...and u fiercly dont want to accept that abu bakr was wrong on his seat....i dont accuse u of dat...but its ure aqeeda right????

then the hanbali's shud not call them selfs as so, while other fiqha's shud not call them self with the names given to those groups???


infact, the Prophet (a.s) had denied that name calling (ansars and muhaajir) because he dint want his ummah to be a RACIST.....and for a fact act saqifa, the election of Abu Bakr was a cause of RACE AS WELL....am i wrong?



<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT face=Calibri><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Answer: Sa’ad bin Ubadah an Ansar was the chief of banu Sa’ad. He was sick at that time. The Ansar thought of him as their leader as he was their leader during the second visit to Aqaba. Abubakar advised them that the Arab tribe would only recognize a Quraysh as a leader because of the position they occupied. He suggested the names of Umar and Abu Ubaydah. The argument continued. Umar refused and argued as I explained earlier. He quickly told Abubakar to lift his hand and he made hid pledge. He called the Ansar to do the same. They did. Yes, Sa’d bin Ubaada did not give his pledge and became determined to fight. The Ansar assured Abubakar that he is alone. He should therefore pay no attention to him. Anyway, I do not know if you read how he died. He died 15 A.H in Syria in a tunnel. His body quickly decayed (maggot) and those around heard a voice saying, “We have stung him with our arrows”. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Anyway, if the lessons in the Qur’an are not enough for one to fear Allah and to stick to Sunna, then as Ali bin Abi Talib said, “If I am guided anyone who followed me will be guided”. If what I said is true, then anyone who opposed me is wrong.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>



in the book called Encyclopedia of Islam, the writer confirms that Saad bin Ebaadah was the chief of the tribe of Khazraj...please see end of page 296 in the following link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=l8g0XYsyWrQC&pg=PA296&lpg=PA296&dq=saad+bin++khazraj&source=web&ots=3Xp_hjeO7e&sig=f9PiMeMhl-c459lYhW2fjGvsMy0#PPA296,M1 - http://books.google.com/books?id=l8g0XYsyWrQC&pg=PA296&lpg=PA296&dq=%22saad+bin+%22+khazraj&source=web&ots=3Xp_hjeO7e&sig=f9PiMeMhl-c459lYhW2fjGvsMy0#PPA296,M1

Do u know who killed H.Saad bin Ibaadah (r.a) with arrows?? and y was he killed??

<P =MsonoSpacing style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Calibri><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Answer</SPAN>: <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Yes the Ahl-bayt</SPAN> <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">enjoyed special position</SPAN> in their <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">position as Banu Hashim. This instruction is from Allah and hence the Sunna of the holy Prophet. Hassan and Hussein who did not participate in any of the Gazwa were given about 6,000 dirhams as their stipends! I have forgotten how much the wives of the holy Prophet were given. Umar bin Khattab paid 40,000 dirhams for the dowry of Umm Kulthum the daughter of Ali. Ali did not enjoy any special position except that of the ‘son’ of the holy Prophet. During the Tabuk expedition the holy Prophet appointed a blind man ibn Maktum as his Khalifa in Madina and Ali as head of his family. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN>



1st of all, the marriage of H.Ali (a.s)'s doghter never took place with Umar...
can anybody even imagine the high status given to maula Ali (a.s)....

Narrated Umm Salama:
The Messenger of Allah said: "Ali is with Quran, and Quran is with Ali. They shall not separate from each other till they both return to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
Sunni references:

al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p124 on the authority of Umm Salama
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 191,194
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani; also in al-Saghir
Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p173

Please dont forget that the QURAN IS HUJJAT OF ALLAH(S.w.t) AND HIS FINAL AND COMPLETE MESSAGE!!!!!!

It is very much clear that Imam Ali (a.s) is given a rank above all the companions of the Prophet (a.s)...The Prophet (s.a.w) has taken the garuntee of his character till the day of Qiyama.....

and still u say that he was the "son" of the Prophet (s.a.w)???? is that only the only status u could fine???? i am sorry bro, but the status of Imam Ali (a.s) is much higher than u have mentioned....should i list out even some of the Hadith wich talk about his merits??? even the some will be soo much....just to start with, i will just give 3:

(1) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad and Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Shafi'i in Mawaddati'l-Qurba towards the end of the fourth Mawadda, have recorded that the Holy Prophet said, "O Ali! You shall discharge responsibilities on my behalf, and you are my Vicegerent over my following."


(2) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in Musnad, Ibn Maghazili Faqih Shafi'i in Manaqib and Tha'labi in his Tafsir (commentary) have reported that the Holy Prophet said to Ali: "O Ali! You are my brother, successor, vicegerent, and the payer of my debt."

(3) Abu Qasim Husain Bin Muhammad (Raghib Ispahani) in Mahadhiratu'l-Udaba wa Muhawaratu'sh-Shu'ara wa'l-Balagha (printed in Amira-e-Shazafiyya, Seyyed Husain Afandi, 1326 A.H.), part II, page 213, quotes from Ibn Malik that the Prophet said: "Verily, my friend, helper, Vicegerent, and the choicest of men whom I am leaving behind, who will pay my debt and fulfill my promise, is Ali Bin Abu Talib."



Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:01pm
Assalamu alaikum
 
1) APOINTMENT OF LEADERS FOR THE JEWS: Read the Bible and its commentary by Reverend Matthew Henry. The Qur'an gave example chapter 2:146 and other verses of the Qur'an. They all obeyed Allah and if they failed were punished by Allah eg. Jonah and Zunnun.
2) Muhajirin and Ansar were descriptive following the Command of Allah Qur'an for eg Qur'an 73:10 etc. Those who drop the use of invented names and adopt the name of Muslim will all enter Paradise if they followed the Sunna of the holy Prophet.
3) Aqeeda means Tawheed. Read this description in the book of Aqeeda written by Ibn Taymiyya and Jazaa'iri.
4) Abubakar did not wrong himself. It was the Ansar's who gave their claim of leadership and according to the Injunctions of Allah and the customs of Quraysh Abubakar was elected. Can Allah be wrong? Why should we not accuse of Ali for repulsing Abu Sufyan. Reflect on the following sayings of Ali in an address to Mu'awiya:
a) If Usman was the right claimant of the Khalifate and a relative of the Messenger of Allah, (and the one who married his daughters), I, too am the right claimant of the Khalifate and his relative (and the one who married his daughter). Behold Allah has appointed me the Khalif with the concensus of the Muhajirins and the Ansars. (kifayat ul matalib p.58)
b) As you know well had the Khalifate been under the control or authority of certain people, they would have envied us and boasted for their favour on us.
c) Again your father (Abu Sufyan) visited me at the time of the demise of the holy Prophet and stressed on my right for successsion to the holy Prophet and the government and that he would support me against those who would oppose me. Then he requested me to advance the hand for allegiance, but I did not do so. (Tabari Vol. 3 P. 202)
Ali never disparaged the Sahabas he said, Look! Not for conveying news to you, I am recounting to you bounties of Allah to us. The emigrants and Ansar who were martyed in the Way of Allah were all superior persons. (Were Umar, Usman martyed before Ali!) But one martyr from us was such who was given the title of Syed dush shuhda and the Prophet in his funeral prayer  offered 70 takbirs and thus gave him (Hamzat) a singularity. If, Allah had not prohibited (His Servnts) from self-praising, I, the describer would have enumerated many virtues (of my own self)).  According to your view, I have envied all the Khalifs and revolted against all of them.. If that is a fact, even then this is not a crime against you for which I should offer my apology against you. YOU ARE PUTTING THAT BLAME ON ME ON WHICH I AM NOT INVOLVED ABOUT. (Naahj-al-Balaghah vol.2 p, 21) 
5) The names Allah named the inhibitants of paradise those who followed their prophets are Muslims, Righteous, Muttaqeen, Mansuuriun, etc. Any name besides these are inventions as in Qur'an chapter 33:4.
6) Election of Abubakr as explained earlier was based on the Command of Allah, the Sunna of the holy Prophet and the customs of Quraysh. It is not based on race like the Jews. For example the Levites.
7) For the killing of Sa'ad bin Ubaadah read Tabaqat Kubra vol 3 p 577. This is a lesson for us to all those who accepted Islam for personal gains.
8) I read Umar married the daughter of Ali Umm Kalthum. If you deny it, it is not part of Islam. If I believe in it, it is not aprt of Islam. Me and you ar all Muslims and once we follow the Sunna of Muhammad we shall enter paradise.
Friendship.


Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 10:16am
Assalamu alaikum
wa'alikumassalam

i really like ure answers as it makes me do further research...jazakallah....that is y my answers might take time...sorry in advance for future...

1) APOINTMENT OF LEADERS FOR THE JEWS: Read the Bible and its commentary by Reverend Matthew Henry. The Qur'an gave example chapter 2:146 and other verses of the Qur'an. They all obeyed Allah and if they failed were punished by Allah eg. Jonah and Zunnun.

i never said they were disobedient...but the main point i wanted to mention is that how were the successors of Prophet Musa (a.s) chosen...because the camparison (between the Ummah of Prophet Musa (a.s) and Ummah of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w))u have given is quite beutiful...i wanted to further discuss on it

2) Muhajirin and Ansar were descriptive following the Command of Allah Qur'an for eg Qur'an 73:10 etc. Those who drop the use of invented names and adopt the name of Muslim will all enter Paradise if they followed the Sunna of the holy Prophet.

so...according to as u say, those who call themselfs as ansar or muajireen are not following the sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) right??? that also means at saqifa, the people had forgotten the sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) and classified themselves as ansar and muhajireen....i want ure comment on this..

3) Aqeeda means Tawheed. Read this description in the book of Aqeeda written by Ibn Taymiyya and Jazaa'iri.

actually ibn taymiyya is not someone authentic at all...considering his writings being quite anti ahlel bayt (a.s)...surely the base of aqeeda is Tawheed....no doubt....

4) Abubakar did not wrong himself. It was the Ansar's who gave their claim of leadership and according to the Injunctions of Allah and the customs of Quraysh Abubakar was elected. Can Allah be wrong? Why should we not accuse of Ali for repulsing Abu Sufyan. Reflect on the following sayings of Ali in an address to Mu'awiya:
Allah (s.w.t) and the Prophet (s.a.w) cannot be wrong..i think u have sarcstically asked me.....but the fact is...people can be wrong..

a) If Usman was the right claimant of the Khalifate and a relative of the Messenger of Allah, (and the one who married his daughters), I, too am the right claimant of the Khalifate and his relative (and the one who married his daughter). Behold Allah has appointed me the Khalif with the concensus of the Muhajirins and the Ansars. (kifayat ul matalib p.58)

b) As you know well had the Khalifate been under the control or authority of certain people, they would have envied us and boasted for their favour on us.
c) Again your father (Abu Sufyan) visited me at the time of the demise of the holy Prophet and stressed on my right for successsion to the holy Prophet and the government and that he would support me against those who would oppose me. Then he requested me to advance the hand for allegiance, but I did not do so. (Tabari Vol. 3 P. 202)

the fact is...abu safyan is always considered as a hypocrite...Imam Ali (a.s) knew his evil intentions...
There were many reasons due to which Imam Ali (a.s) did not pick his sword....


Ali never disparaged the Sahabas he said, Look! Not for conveying news to you, I am recounting to you bounties of Allah to us. The emigrants and Ansar who were martyed in the Way of Allah were all superior persons. (Were Umar, Usman martyed before Ali!) But one martyr from us was such who was given the title of Syed dush shuhda and the Prophet in his funeral prayer offered 70 takbirs and thus gave him (Hamzat) a singularity. If, Allah had not prohibited (His Servnts) from self-praising, I, the describer would have enumerated many virtues (of my own self)). According to your view, I have envied all the Khalifs and revolted against all of them.. If that is a fact, even then this is not a crime against you for which I should offer my apology against you. YOU ARE PUTTING THAT BLAME ON ME ON WHICH I AM NOT INVOLVED ABOUT. (Naahj-al-Balaghah vol.2 p, 21)
can u please let me know as to in which sermon the above words have been mentioned...as i have searched these words on the internet..i could not find them in naahj-al-balaagah.....this book is available online...it would be ez for u to show me...

5) The names Allah named the inhibitants of paradise those who followed their prophets are Muslims, Righteous, Muttaqeen, Mansuuriun, etc. Any name besides these are inventions as in Qur'an chapter 33:4.
6) Election of Abubakr as explained earlier was based on the Command of Allah, the Sunna of the holy Prophet and the customs of Quraysh. It is not based on race like the Jews. For example the Levites.
surly the point of successorship is not based on race...it is only based on the command of Allah (s.w.t), as we see in the PAST that the appointment of successor/leader was done by ONLY ALLAH (s.w.t)...and none interveened in it..
7) For the killing of Sa'ad bin Ubaadah read Tabaqat Kubra vol 3 p 577. This is a lesson for us to all those who accepted Islam for personal gains.
it is rally hard to get the books u mention...can u please elighten me as to who killed and who ordered to kill saad bin Ebaadah(r.a).....

8) I read Umar married the daughter of Ali Umm Kalthum. If you deny it, it is not part of Islam. If I believe in it, it is not aprt of Islam. Me and you ar all Muslims and once we follow the Sunna of Muhammad we shall enter paradise.
Inshallah bro.. Inshallah All of us will understand the Sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) and do our best to follow it....and not be among the rejectors...

wsalaam
Asad Raza


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 2:35pm
Assalamu alaikum.
wa'alikumassalam

i really like ure answers as it makes me do further research...jazakallah....that is y my answers might take time...sorry in advance for future...

I sincerely hope that the members of this forum will concentrate on reading because new books are always added. We should also be cautions because the holy Prophet said, "Whoever says something about the holy Qur'an based on is opinion or out of ignorance (about what he does not know) is building himself a house in the hell!". I hope you will understand also the importance of the Muslim Umma having leaders who are well versed in the Sunna of the holy Prophet. Imagine I am a head of state of my country! The Muslims will be united then as Promised by Allah.
  
i never said they were disobedient...but the main point i wanted to mention is that how were the successors of Prophet Musa (a.s) chosen...because the camparison (between the Ummah of Prophet Musa (a.s) and Ummah of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w))u have given is quite beutiful...i wanted to further discuss on it
See the Book of Numbers:13.  I always advice the Muslims to read the bible and ignore the rubbish and fairly tales inside it.  But briefly:
Yes, immediately after the Exodus a census was taken and the Jews gave their population at 630,4000 adult fighting men. About 2 years later, Allah commanded them to go and spy the land of Canaan, the land Allah promised them. Prophet Musa selected 12 people from their different branches to spy the land. They refused to enter on the pretext that the people were gaints that they felt as small as grasshoppers. Only Joshua and Caleb obeyed the command and explored the land of canaan. So Allah Promised that none of those who were matured would see the promised land. The age of maturity for them was 20 years. (for us 13-15 years with the same law applying). Joshua was the older and after the death of Propeht Musa he was given the leadership. The Jews prospered and enjoyed peace and prosperity. They were able to defeat their enemies. it showed that leadership was based on obeddience to Allah and His Messenger and those who disobedied are excluded from the Mercy of Allah. But what are we doing today?  Our leaders are always those who disobeyed Allah.  
are not following the sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) right??? that also means at saqifa, the people had forgotten the sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) and classified themselves as ansar and muhajireen....i want ure comment on this..
No! The name of Ansar and Muhajirin was only for historical purposes. If the names were not mentioned we would not be able to understand what actually happened. Please read Hayatus Sahaba Arabic version V0l.1 pp. 67, 71-72, 75-76.  For English version PP. 513, 519.
actually ibn taymiyya is not someone authentic at all...considering his writings being quite anti ahlel bayt (a.s)...surely the base of aqeeda is Tawheed....no doubt....

No!. Ibn Taymiyya never said something bad agaisnt Ali bin Abi Talib. Read his Sunnana nabwi.
 
 
can u please let me know as to in which sermon the above words have been mentioned...as i have searched these words on the internet..i could not find them in naahj-al-balaagah.....this book is available online...it would be ez for u to show me...
Read The letters of Ali bin Abi Talib by Muhammad Ayb Khan Published by International Islamic Publisheers Ltd Pakistan. Ist Edition, 1991.
it is rally hard to get the books u mention...can u please elighten me as to who killed and who ordered to kill saad bin Ebaadah(r.a).....
Since he died in Syria, not much was written about him. It was one Muhammad bin Sirin who mentioned the story that some youths were present when he died. They heard a voice saying we killed him with our arrows.
Friendship.
 


Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 22 October 2008 at 11:40am
[QUOTE=Friendship] Assalamu alaikum.
wa'alikumassalam

No! The name of Ansar and Muhajirin was only for historical purposes. If the names were not mentioned we would not be able to understand what actually happened. Please read Hayatus Sahaba Arabic version V0l.1 pp. 67, 71-72, 75-76.  For English version PP. 513, 519.

the reason for the Prophet (s.a.w) advising them not to call themselves as ansar or muhajireen is because (as i understand) he wanted to finish of the race system....that no race will be better than the other...only taqwa matters...but as far as i know, at saqifa the muhajireen were considered to be better for khilafa on the reason of their status as muhajireen...

No!. Ibn Taymiyya never said something bad agaisnt Ali bin Abi Talib. Read his Sunnana nabwi.


ibn tymiyya was against the Ahlel Bayt...and not only against Imam Ali (a.s)...infact he is the one source of sectarian violence in terms of literature wen it comes to the shia/sunni conflict..
i will quote some of his words against Imam Ali (a.s) here:

Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 8 page 230:
وعلي يقاتل ليطاع ويتصرف في النفوس والأموال فكيف يجعل هذا قتالا على الدين
“Ali fought to secure obedience and rule the people and money, so how can that be deemed as fighting for sake of religion?”



Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 4 page 137:
وعلي رضي الله عنه كان قصده أن يتزوج عليها فله في أذاها غرض
“Ali intended to marry so as to hurt her (Fatima) on purpose.”



infact he was unsure about the eemaan of Imam Ali (a.s):

Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 8 page 205:
وأما إسلام علي فهل يكون مخرجا له من الكفر على قولين
There are two opinions as to whether Ali's conversion to Islam released him from kufr or not"

thus there is no doubt that he is a clear enemy of Ahlel Bayt (a.s)...if u want his comments on other members of Ahlel Bayt (a.s) then i can bring u dat as well..


Read The letters of Ali bin Abi Talib by Muhammad Ayb Khan Published by International Islamic Publisheers Ltd Pakistan. Ist Edition, 1991.
i would appreciate if u would give me the exact letter number or the topic of the letter so that i can search on it...


Since he died in Syria, not much was written about him. It was one Muhammad bin Sirin who mentioned the story that some youths were present when he died. They heard a voice saying we killed him with our arrows.

i have read in Majaalis Al-Mo'mineen by Shaheed Qazi Nurullah Shustari that he was ordered to be killed by Umar by ordering Muhammad bim salma Ansaari and saad bin abi waqqas to murder him...

if he himself wanted the khilafa he could have rebelled against the Khalifa of dat time as his tribe supported him...but he remained silent.


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 01 November 2008 at 5:45am
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Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 10:19am
salaams...

can u please tell me as to what is ure final views on ibn tymiyyah...as ure opinion is not clear...

Prophet (s.a.w) had explicitly mentioned the merits of Imam Ali (a.s) to be more than the others..i will give u some examples:


Sheikh Sulayman Balkhi in his Yanabiu'l-Mawadda, Chapter 55, narrates from Tirmidhi Buraida's hadith that, according to the Prophet, the most dearly loved woman was Fatima and the most dearly loved man was Ali. Muhammad Bin Yusuf Ganji Shafi'i in his Kifayatu't-Talib, Chapter 91, reports on the authority of Ummu'l-Mu'minin A'yesha that she said: "Allah did not create any one whom the Holy Prophet loved more than Ali." He adds that this is the hadith which Ibn Jarir in his Manaqib and Ibn Asakir Damishqi in his translation have narrated from Ali. Muhyi'd-Din and Imamu'l-Haramain Ahmad Bin Abdullah Shafi'i relates from Tirmidhi in Dhakha'iru'l-Uqba that people asked A'yesha which woman was loved most by the Prophet, and she replied, "Fatima." Then she was asked about the man loved most by the Prophet and she replied, "Her husband, Ali bin Abu Talib." Further, he related from the Mukhalis of Dhahabi and Hafiz Abu'l-Qasim Damishqi and he from A'yesha that she said: "I have not seen a man more loved by the Holy Prophet than Ali, nor a woman more loved than Fatima." In addition, the Sheikh relates from Hafiz Khajandi and he from Ma'azatu'l-Ghifariyya that she said: "I went to have an audience with the Prophet in A'yesha's house while Ali was outside the house. The Prophet said to A'yesha, 'This (Ali) is the dearest to me and the most honored among all men. Recognize his right and pay respectful regard to his position.'"


while there are many examples in history...i have just given a few of them....


it is very important to recognise the sahaaba because these are the people who brought to us the religion of Prophet Muhammad (a.s)....we have to see if any of them were mischivios and have to find those who were on haq....these categories have arisen due to many conflicts between them....otherwise if there were no conflicts and if the words of the Prophet (s.a.w) would have been followed, there wud have been no issues at all....so there wud be no reason to examine every single group dat existed in dose days....and our job is to see the haq...and leave out the others....

these are not unnecessary disputes at all.....we have to learn from wat happened in those days....follow the words of the Prophet (s.a.w)....and dat can only lead us to a successful ummah....but sadly, due to the works of few... the "islamic rule" is hard to see...and for a fact..today, except one state, all the others are not eve trying to become an islamic country...and dat one state is iran.....iran i belive is not a truly islamic state...as they have some faults...but they are trying....and no doubt they have made mistakes in da process....but still..if u dont try..how can one achive success....


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 11:51am
Assalamu alaikum,
Brother Asda. 
It could be so. But which kind of love? The love of the righteous ones or the love based on Arab customs? Yes , based on Arab customs, I agree because the Quraysh said that was because the holy Prophet had no male child and the Arabs regard the first son of their uncles as their sons. We practised the same in our clan because our ancestors were from Madina. I am accused of loving my nephews more than my biological children. On love based on righteousness, if Ali also enters Firdaus, and I enter Firdaus who will be superior?I will reply you on Ibn Taymiyya latter.
Friendship.


Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 03 November 2008 at 3:08pm
Wa'alaikumasalam...

the love for Imam Ali (a.s) is not based on any custom...its based on the prophet(a.s)'s own words (sunnah) and the merits given to them by Allah (s.w.t)...infact Imam Ali (a.s) was called the Wali of the People in verse 5:55....


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:08am
Assalamu alaikum.

Probably in your local language 5:55 could mean so. But in the pure language in which the Qur'an was revealed that was not the interpretation and meaning of the verse. I also understood that to be so in English language. By the way are you tanslating the Qur'an on your own opinion or the opinion of  others based on sectarianism? Do you know the rules and regulations of translating a verse of the Qur'an? Do you know what is Aaman, Qat'iyyun, Zanniyun, Nas, Asl, Muqayyid etc? Have you considered 5:54? Can Allah love one and the holy Prophet hates him? If Allah loves me, is the love of the holy Apostle superior on me than that of Allah? What is the meaning of the lov of Allah? Does it mean following the holy Prophet as in 3:31?
My Question: I have a grandson who did to me what Hasan and Hussain did to the holy Propeht when he was praying. Now if there was anything special to them only, besides others, how could my grandson climb my back, my neck, push me and be my Imam when praying? Now where is the superiority of Hasan and Husain over my grandson?
My advise: You and me should be careful for the holy Propeht said, "Whoever lies against me intentionally (by interpreting the holy Qur'an acccording to his own desire) should reserve his place in hell fire".


Posted By: asda
Date Posted: 04 November 2008 at 8:46am
Wa'alikumasslam

please dont compare the Grandson of the Prophet (A.S) with anybody...because the grandson of the Prophet (a.s) are the "Leaders of the youths of Paradise" see: Tirmidhi, Vol. II, p. 221 ; تاريخ الخلفاء، ص189 .....thus this is a very inapropriate comparison....

secondly i rely only on scholars for tafseer and translations....i have no right to do it myself....

i will quote on of the tafsirs wich gives this fact:

{ إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ ٱلصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ ٱلزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ }


(Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe…) [5:55]. Said Jabir ibn ‘Abd Allah: “‘Abd Allah ibn Sallam went to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some people from Banu Qurayzah and Banu’l-Nadir have deserted us and swore not to keep our company. And we cannot keep the company of your Companions due to the distance separating us’. He then complained about the bad treatment he received from the Jews, and so this verse was revealed. When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, read to him, he said: ‘We accept Allah, His Messenger and the believers as guardians’ ”. Al-Kalbi related something close to this and added that the end of the verse was revealed about ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, for he gave his ring to a beggar while he was bowing during prayer. Abu Bakr al-Tamimi informed us> ‘Abd Allah ibn Muhammad ibn Ja‘far> al-Husayn ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Hurayrah> ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab> Muhammad ibn al-Aswad> Muhammad ibn Marwan> Muhammad ibn al-Sa’ib> Abu Salih> Ibn ‘Abbas who said: “Accompanied by a group of believers from amongst his people, ‘Abd Allah ibn Sallam came to see the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace. They said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, our houses are very far and we have no assembly or a place in which we can gather for chatting. When our people saw that we believed in Allah and His Messenger and confirmed his call, they eschewed us and vowed never to keep our company, speak with us or marry from or into us. This has proved too hard for us’. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, replied: ‘(Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe)’, up to the end of the verse. Then the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, went out to the mosque. Some people were standing in prayer while others were bowing. He saw a beggar in the mosque and he asked him: ‘Did you get something from anyone?’ The beggar replied: ‘Yes, I got a ring of gold’. The Prophet asked him: ‘Who gave it to you?’ The beggar said: ‘That person who is standing in prayer’, and he pointed to ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib. The Prophet asked him again: ‘In which position did he give it to you?’ The beggar said: ‘He gave it to me while bowing in prayer’. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said ‘Allah is the greatest!’ and then recited (And whoso taketh Allah and His messenger and those who believe for guardian (will know that), lo! the party of Allah, they are the victorious)” [5:56].



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i just wanted to show u dat i have not brought this up from my own pocket...i never do dat...

so according to the above tafseer, the Wali of People is Imam Ali (a.s).....a superior position than other people..



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