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Topic: Why do Arabs want to kill innocent Jews?
Posted By: libnah
Subject: Why do Arabs want to kill innocent Jews?
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 9:22am
Why?



Replies:
Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 9:34am
Sorry,may i re-take the question?

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Posted By: hkrespect
Date Posted: 30 June 2005 at 3:47am

not all muslims are arabs

not all arabs are muslims

actual fact -  there are more non arab muslims, than arab muslims.

the jews from a islamic perspective have the wrath of Allah on them, for they totally went the wrong path. the jews digressed, they started disobeying commands of Allah and they basically started being evil.

the jews initally were the chosen people, because they were great in there worship of Allah. not any more.

in islam, there is a concept called, al wala al bara- love and hate for the sake of Allah.

love what Allah loves, hate what Allah hates.

love charity - hate alocohol

some have taken this to the extreme.

the jews are not to be hated, but should be advised and invited into the fold of islam,

it is a duty upon all muslims to invite all non muslims to islam.

if non muslims accept the invitation, then it is benficial to them, if they dont, then hell is their final abode.

muslims should just spread their word and invite, their is no force to accept the islamic creed.

israel is hated, not jews, muslims wanna kill israelis, not jews. they wanna kill all those pro zionists who are takin the muslim lands.

women and children should not be targeted, nor male civilians, the soldiers and the politicians should be.

muslims should rid the holy land of all the zionists.

jews can live peacefully in holy land alongside muslims.

there is difference between jew and zionist.

 



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hk


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 01 July 2005 at 3:24am

Bismillah

Anti-Zionism is anti-racism and as suxh it cannot be described as racism.



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MOCKBA


Posted By: Zionist13
Date Posted: 01 July 2005 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by MOCKBA

Bismillah

Anti-Zionism is anti-racism and as suxh it cannot be described as racism.

 

Baloney. Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism, and if you don't admit it, you're anti-Semitic! Zionism is the expression of self-determination for our people buddy!



Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 01 July 2005 at 4:47pm

Assalamu alaikum,

I have come across this opinion before, but fortunately it is held by only the most fanatic zionists, from whom most Jews hasten to distance themselves.



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Yusuf


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 01 July 2005 at 6:08pm

Bismillah

Wa'alaikumu Salaam Brother Yusuf,

Please ignore this thread. There have been posts by the same person using multiple identities. One of those occasional cases of "virtual lunatics" on board.

Hope things are getting better on your side, insha Allah.  Verily, with every difficulty there is relief (94:6).

Wasalaam.



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MOCKBA


Posted By: Arabian
Date Posted: 01 July 2005 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by Zionist13

Baloney. Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism, and if you don't admit it, you're anti-Semitic! Zionism is the expression of self-determination for our people buddy!



Anti-Zionism... Zionism... Anti-Zionism... Zionism...

I choose Anti-Zionism!!

Peace,
Arabian




Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 02 July 2005 at 7:09am
Stand back and watch me work


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 02 July 2005 at 7:42am
Bismillah,

Check out

Why Jews preferred Palestine?

Is it my imagination or was this just too easy? I know I'm not THAT good
at profiling. Did one of you guys make him up for me?

Brother Suleyman. Hey!

Brother Yusuf you write like a poet.

On another note. Zionism is a trick word among us Hebrews' We are not
all sure what it meant or means anymore. Many of us still identify the
word as being synonymous with Jewish. I hesitate to say I am an Anti
Zionist. My wife says, "Danny's Zionism is busting fascists".

Zionism as a word that merely means: What one does for Zion.
The ultra right have made it a dirty word




Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 02 July 2005 at 9:02am

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

Brother Danel,i will reply this thread with an example from an interesting city in my country...just give me some time for collecting the pics and for the compositions....take care...



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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 02 July 2005 at 5:58pm
edit



Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 7:59am
Who ever did the editing after "Watch me work" Thank You.


Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 9:07am

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

Who ever did the editing after "Watch me work" Thank You.

Brother Daniel,don't mind on the editings keep on writing whatever u feel...we need ur views from ur perspective....

Coming to the issue,i have promised to composing an message about but i think we don't need to...issue is very simple...the land belongs to both  Palestinians and Israelis...both of them has their own past on the land,no one has right to making them away...they should learn how to share and live in peace...no need to kicking each other...as we share in Turkey...the rest of the story belongs to u,u know more than me...best regards...



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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 03 July 2005 at 10:59am
The Palestinians have to be compensated for their loss.
The law of return can not apply only to Jews. The settlements have to be
dismantled and the land stolen since 1967 returned. This is the very least
we can do. Israel must become a secular democratic state with equal
rights for both it's arab and Jewish citizens. We had a chance to have a
Jewish state and the experiment is over. We lost our way long before
Baruch Goldstien and Rachel Corrie. It's a miracle that more innocent life
wasn't taken.
Old Jerusalem is the natural capital of Palestine.

Isn't it obvious by now that Jews are no different than any one else.
We kill children. Destroy homes. Lie. Cheat. Steal. How can we call
ourselves a light unto nations anymore than the "Goyim" How can we
claim an inheritance for which we displaced or murdered the descendants
of our own ancestors to receive?


Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 8:17am

Daniel, you can be far worse than our Uri. One day this jinx woven by the Brit Intelligence will be over. And, we will be like we were in el-Andalus and in Turkiye for hundreds and hundreds of years.

We are too close for some to count. We will float in peace together.

I see that day dawning, already.



Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 3:16pm
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 3:43pm

The Brits had to divide us for their own purpose. Like they have done with India. Then the US took over. They are dead scared of these two natural allies coming together again.

Just think where the global Financial centres will shift if that ever happens?

Brother, just think but don't ever even Whisper the answer!!



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

...We kill children...[et al]


Intentionally? Without account?  I don't think so on either question.


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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 16 July 2005 at 9:00am
Originally posted by b95000


Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

...We kill children...[et al]


Intentionally? Without account?  I don't think so on either question.


I didn't think so either. I didn't want to accept what my senses told me.
Would you like documentation? There are Daily reports from the most
minor daily things like shooting pets and poisoning livestock and tankers
of raw sewage dumped down village streets.

Beatings, Humiliation and terrorising of school children and the
American senior citizen Quaker Volunteers who escort them to and fro
from school.

I'll swear before god and any court that I've seen Ariel police, Tapuach
settlers and the IDF army armoured and infantry in collusion together for
the sole purpose of terrorizing civilians for reasons I can only guess.
The same uniform that I wore proudly for 3 years shames me now to the
bone.

Last week a lone sniper set up a nest less than 300 meters from a targetin
Nabulus and practiced two head shots on a brother and sister hanging
laundry on a roof top. As a parent with two teenage children, I can't think
of anything more horrific.

! First the IDF reported that the children aged 12 and 14 had been killed
by an palestinian bomb makers accident.

After a medical examination revealed that both children had been shoot
through the head.
! The Army then changed it's statement that the children were shoot by
Palestinian Militia.

Right.

The settlers have to be removed. They are sucking the life out of
all of us with heavily subsidized loans welfare checks scholarships and all
the money that should be going to our children and our elderly and
handycapped is lining their pockets while they and their children run all
over Palestine like bloody Klans men or filling their swimming pools with
water while refugee children suffer water rationing.

I've yet to meet one Muslim who can stand themselves showering less
than twice a day. Little girls wait weeks sometimes to wash their hair
while the settlers are selling mommy and daddy bottled water out of
settlement taps.

This is going on right now as we speak.

I don't expect any jewish person to believe any of
this until they come here to Israel and Palestine and see it with their own
eyes.   

Spend a couple nights hugging the floor of a muslim families living room
alone in Yusouf while the settlers from Tapuach make Pogroms in the
street like the drunken Kazacks my grand mother described in her native
Poland.

You haven't seen the Right wing
Graffitti that suggests a "final solution for the Arabs" and not in those
words.

I invite all of you invisable people to come and see what has been in our
name as Jews.

When A bomb goes off in London or in Nathanya (again this time my
Mother my nephew and sister were not 200 feet away)
Do I start yelling at Sulleyman or Whisper or anyone here at Islamicity

No. because I know they all want to throw up as much as I want to.

What goes on in Palestine is not what it means to be A Jew. It is
Perversion.

Would not The prophet weep over what was done in London?

Is there Muslim here that believes Mohamed is amused?

This is not what is meant for us as human beings. We all deserve better
than this and it starts the moment we begin taking better care of each
other and at least showing respect across lines of religion and
philosophy.

When I Pray I always give thanks for my life, and I
ask for the strength to forgive my self my brothers and my
sisters for being so blind selfish and cruel for so very long.


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 16 July 2005 at 9:01am
Originally posted by b95000


Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

...We kill children...[et al]


Intentionally? Without account?  I don't think so on either question.


I didn't think so either. I didn't want to accept what my senses told me.
Would you like documentation? There are Daily reports from the most
MINOR daily things like shooting pets poisoning livestock.Tankers of raw
sewage dumped down village streets.

Beatings, Constant Humiliation and terrorising of school children and the
American senior citizen Quaker Volunteers who escort them to and fro
from school.

I'll swear before god and any court that I've seen police settlers and the
army in collusion together for the sole purpose of terrorizing civilians for
For what reason I can only guess. Some of these kids wearing the same
uniform that I wore proudly for 3 years shame me to the bone.

Last week a lone sniper set up a nest less than 300 meters from target
and practiced two head shots on two kids hanging laundry off a roof top.
The army reported that the children aged 12 and 14 had been killed my
palestinian bomb makers accident. Medical examination revealed that
both children had been shoot through the head.
The Army then changed it's statement that the children were caught by
Palestinian Militia.

There's no reason for this suffering. The Palestinians are not going to go
away. The settlers have to be removed. They are sucking the life out of
all of us with heavily subsidized loans welfare checks scholarships and all
the money that should be going to our elderly and handycapped is lining
their pockets with blood money and filling their swimming pools with
water while Civilian suffer rationing.

This is not right and I don't expect any jewish person to believe any of
this until they come here to Israel and Palestine and see it with their own
eyes.   Spend a couple night alone in Yusouf while the settlers from
Tapuach make Pogroms in the street like the drunken Kazacks my grand
mother described in her native Poland. You haven't seen the Right wing
Graffitti that suggests a "final solution" and not in those words.

I invite all of you invisable people to come and see what has been in our
name as Jews.

When A bomb goes off in London or in Nathanya (again this time my
Mother my nephew and sister were not 200 feet away)
Do I start yelling at Sulleyman or Whisper or anyone here at Islamicity

No because they all want to throw up as much as I want to.

This is not what it means to be A Jew
This Is Not Islam. The prophet would weep over what was done in
London. Would he Not? Is there someone that believes Mohamed is
amused?
This is not what is meant for us as human beings. We all deserve better
than this and it starts the moment we begin taking better care of each
other across lines of religion and philosophy.

Why would I invite evil to take it's best shot at me daily. If I did not believe
in the security I enjoy from practicing basic kindness and well not a little
luck.

When I think about god I always give thanks for my wonderful life, and I
ask for the strength I so lack to forgive my self my brothers and my
sisters for being so blind selfish and cruel for so very long.


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 16 July 2005 at 10:57am

Peace be upon you Daniel,

Thank you for posting here at IC.  Your insight into the reality of what is going on in the Holy Land is so sad, so upsetting and so very necessary.  Thank you for bearing witness and thank you for trying to do something about it.

The Jews and the Arabs are the same people - same language roots, same ancestors, same prophets, same God.  Perhaps someday, Allah willing, they will be able to once again live in the same land without the hatred, killing and escalating violence that is occuring now.

So, please keep posting.  Sometimes your posts make me cry, sometimes laugh, but always, they give me pause to think.

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 07 August 2005 at 5:08am
I suppose you all heard the news about The horrible incident in
Shfaram.
I live about 30 minutes south west of the town in Atlit.
Many of my friends have family there and have been to the funerals over
the last few days. I have not been able to attend my self as I have just
been released from a two week stay in hospital following a very minor
but thought provoking heart attack. Regarding Tapuach and the human
garbage that sent this sick and confused lunatic into shfaram to kill Israeli
citizens, I can only say that I did everything within the law to expose
these animals for what they are. I put my own life and the safety of my
family at risk. I endured phone threats, break ins, vandalism, police
harassment and the hacking of my Tax insurance and bank account.

What I've "suffered" is a mere tiny fraction of what these families are
feeling now. Some how I told you so doesn't do it for me.
I'm taking a month off to get my strength back and then we're going to
try
this again.

I have some interviews and videos on tape with pictures of the residents
of Tapuach in action under the watchful eye of the IDF and Ariel police.
If any one knows anyone with a line on a senator or congress person or
just has a means of getting these transfered to Digital format and out on
the net let me know. A picture says a thousand words.




Posted By: insha
Date Posted: 08 August 2005 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by Zionist13

Originally posted by MOCKBA


Bismillah


Anti-Zionism is anti-racism and as suxh it cannot be described as racism.




Baloney. Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism, and if you don't admit it, you're anti-Semitic! Zionism is the expression of self-determination for our people buddy!



http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Semitic - Se·mit·ic
adj.

   1. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
   2. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.

Thought you should know the definition of "Semitic", since it is not exclusive to the Jews.

And no. Being Anti-Zionist is not being Anti-Semitic.

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Posted By: Zionist13
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:16pm
Being Anti-Zionist is being Anti-Semitic.


Posted By: salman
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:29pm

Originally posted by libnah

Why?

because israeli army occupies the land of muslims in palestine. israeli army uses tankers and bulldozers to destroy the houses of innocent palestinian muslims. israeli army kills innocent muslim palestinian teenagers and other muslim palestinian civilians.

hence palestinian muslims respond back.



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It is better to be alone than to be in bad company.


Posted By: Zionist13
Date Posted: 13 April 2006 at 11:36pm

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

I suppose you all heard the news about The horrible incident in
Shfaram.
I live about 30 minutes south west of the town in Atlit.
Many of my friends have family there and have been to the funerals over
the last few days. I have not been able to attend my self as I have just
been released from a two week stay in hospital following a very minor
but thought provoking heart attack. Regarding Tapuach and the human
garbage that sent this sick and confused lunatic into shfaram to kill Israeli
citizens, I can only say that I did everything within the law to expose
these animals for what they are. I put my own life and the safety of my
family at risk. I endured phone threats, break ins, vandalism, police
harassment and the hacking of my Tax insurance and bank account.

What I've "suffered" is a mere tiny fraction of what these families are
feeling now. Some how I told you so doesn't do it for me.
I'm taking a month off to get my strength back and then we're going to
try
this again.

I have some interviews and videos on tape with pictures of the residents
of Tapuach in action under the watchful eye of the IDF and Ariel police.
If any one knows anyone with a line on a senator or congress person or
just has a means of getting these transfered to Digital format and out on
the net let me know. A picture says a thousand words.


 

 Arab walking bombs slaughtered your fellow Jew. Your trying to pin it on Jews. I'm not surprised.



Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 12:59am
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Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 6:56am
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Posted By: saja91
Date Posted: 01 May 2006 at 8:09pm

 asalamualaikum wa rahmatallah uwabarakatu,

THE ANGER AND THE HATE THAT JEWS BRING INTO OUR PRIVACY ,THEY INVADE WHAT WE CALL OUR HOMES ,THEY TAKE THE LIVES OF WHAT WE call OUR KIDS , THEY HARM 4 A REASON NO ONE UNDERSTANDS AND THEY GIVE US NO FREEDOM WHAT SO EVER THEY CONTROL OUR LIFES ITS LIKE WE ARE TOYS .

peace



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"the real patience is at the first stroke of a calamity"


Posted By: saja91
Date Posted: 06 May 2006 at 10:51am
why do kews kill innocent arab ? kids ,brothers,sisters,mothers,fathers,husbands,wifes. why is this war going on ? why cant the pahastinian people get some peace??? why???

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"the real patience is at the first stroke of a calamity"


Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 07 May 2006 at 4:12pm

Hi Daniel Dworsky,

Keep up good work my friend. Children of Prophet Abraham ( peace be upon him ) may be fighting in the holy land, but let us work and pray that peace, no matter how elusive it seems now, becomes a reality so that Israelis and Palestinians may live peacefully side by side.

Peace



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 08 May 2006 at 5:55am
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Posted By: Palestine
Date Posted: 09 May 2006 at 1:32pm
being a palestinian.

we do not hate jews because theu are jews. we only hate those who kill us and destroy everything in our lives; read this:


life here is very difficult.. unbearable.. wherever you go you find destroyed houses, uprooted trees, ruined infrastructure, orphans, widows.. people are generally deprived of their rights to live a descent life.. for instance, on the Eid Muslim feast the Zionists killed a little boy who was playing with a toy gun … hundreds of kids were brutally slain by the Jews… moreover, people can't move from one place to another… political leaders and educated people are murdered brutally too… however, people believe in the right of return… we believe that one day… sooner or later… the occupied land will be restored by any means necessary… we have the hope to be free… we have a dream that we will soon live a good, bearable life… a life without blood… without suffering without crimes… without the noises of the Zionist F16's and helicopters… without the sounds of bullets day and night… we have a dream that sooner we will be free… that our kids will go to their schools easily… that the schools that were destroyed will be built once again… we are keen to achieve freedom, we do know that freedom is not a cheap item… we have to pay…. we have to sacrifice… we have to work hard to comfort the tens of hundreds of orphans… and the thousands of disabled kids … to work hard to make them lead a life without suffering. Zionists have deprived us of everything beautiful… they spoiled our life… they killed everything.. leaders, kids, school kids… they murdered happiness and planted terror and fear… they killed our schools and our trees…. that is why we will never forget … we will never forgive… if this generation forgets what the Jews have done, then they next generation will never forget… people might say we hate Jews because they are Jews. Never. And history itself testifies this. We only hate jews who kill us and who want to wipe us out of the map.   you know why the next generation will not forget or forgive…?? because almost half of them are either orphans of physically disabled… all of them has looked death in its face… all if them saw their friends or loved ones cry over beloved ones… we suffered, we are suffering, we might suffer!!! but this journey of suffering will not remain for ever we dream and we work hard. we sacrifice and soon our dream will come true BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

so let all pray for peace-- for peace based on justice and loce.

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http://www.alqassam.ps/english


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 09 May 2006 at 3:04pm

Assalamu alaikum,

Palestine: thank you for posting the glimse of life in Palestine.  This kind of testimony of what is happening there needs to be more widely circulated.  People need to know the real story from the real people it is happening to.  May Allah shower you and your family with His Mercy and Blessings.

 

A dear friend of mine is Palestinian, born and raised in Al quds.  Her husband was born and raised in Nablus.  They both have parents there and some family.  They have lived in the west for 11 years, all the while their hearts ache to be at "home".  They will visit this summer, as they do about every other year.

While there, they must stay with first one set of parents and then the other - they cannot travel back and forth freely, even for that short a distance.  Their four children don't want to go, they'd rather be here with their friends, this breaks my friends heart to pieces. 

A people shouldn't have to leave their land to be safer.  A people shouldn't have to put up with the check points, humiliation, killing, and extreme hatred that permeates the holy land.  My friends wish they could move back home but they know what will face them there.  You can see the depth of sadness and broken heart in my friends beautiful face.  She thought she would only have to live over here a few years and then they'd go back, but, now her husband no longer feels it would be good for their kids, so she is resigned to living here with a broken heart.

How do you explain to children what is happening to their people?  How do you choose between a life of relative safety and freedom to practice your faith and a life of insanity 'back home'?  My friend says she can see the change that has overtaken the people back home, a kind of survival of the fittest scenario has taken over the place and people are deeply affected by the way they must live.

I have always felt for the Palestinian cause, even before becoming a Muslim.  I hate injustice.  Now that I have friends from there and have talked to people from there, the reality of the situation becomes so much more real and horrifying!

I believe all Muslims should FEEL for any Muslim who is living a life of injustice.  We should all do whatever we can to help ease their suffering.  Whether that Muslim is living next door or on the other side of the world, we need to DO something, anything that we can.

Pray, think, DO something!

Peace, ummziba.



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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 09 May 2006 at 5:07pm

To live in Palestine now is to live in fear and frustration. The leaders of
Palestine and the leaders of Israel are still playing political games. Israeli
Arabs have been successful the past few days getting food into the
occupied Palestine but it's a daunting project. Fighting breaks out
between Fatah and Hamas militants. Foes and freind pressure alike and it
is the children who ultimately suffer.

I am ashamed to say I lack the courage to go in by myself and help on the
ground.

My leaders claim it is unwise to let go of it's strangle hold on Palestine
while the Hamas still calls for the annihilation of all Israel. Hamas won't
recognize the state of Israel as a basic principal. It is important for us
civilians to keep the lines of communication open to ease the suffering of
at least the children. Hurting them hurts all our futures. Trusts are being
set up to restore basic services such as hospitals water and power. It is
being done in a way to bypass the hands of the Hamas. It is the belief
among those who fear Palestine that we have an address of Palestinian
leadership that leads to either criminals or Fanatics.


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 10 May 2006 at 7:03am

This is the link to Doctors without borders.k.

http://www.doctors withoutborders.org/

They have a contingency of Israeli and Palestinian Doctors that are doing
good work

The Red crescent also has a chapter in Palestine. If you wish to donate.
This would be a good time.



Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 10 May 2006 at 7:35am

Bismillah,

Daniel, thank you for all that you do accomplish.  We appreciate it and may Allah, The Most Loving, reward you and protect you and your family.

I heard a minister for Hamas (I think of Housing) speak about a month ago stating that the PA had already recognized Israel's existence.  This was clearly compliance with the Israeli leaders insistence on Hamas recognition of their existence.  But the reporter said:  Once again, Hamas refuse to recognize Israel.  This word play supports the devastation of humans continously.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Servetus
Date Posted: 10 May 2006 at 7:43am

“I am ashamed to say I lack the courage to go in by myself and help on the
ground.”

 

I don’t mean to be glib about something that I don’t understand, but, comparatively speaking, there is no shame in that, Daniel.

 

Serv



Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 10 May 2006 at 7:44am
Herjihad,
Yeah there is something to that.
Hamas also offered a cease fire provided Israel returned to the 67
borders. It's Chutspah but they were Talking and not shooting.

Bombing those two buses in Tel Aviv during the Rabin administration and
then dancing around burning paper mache' buses in Ramalah really
locked these people out of my heart. I'm a pragmatist. I figure you don't
make peace with friends you make peace with enemies. I'll happily
withdraw to the 67 borders but I'm not having these guys over for tea...


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 10 May 2006 at 8:48am

 

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

Yeah there is something to that.
Hamas also offered a cease fire provided Israel returned to the 67
borders. It's Chutspah but they were Talking and not shooting.

Bombing those two buses in Tel Aviv during the Rabin administration and
then dancing around burning paper mache' buses in Ramalah really
locked these people out of my heart. I'm a pragmatist. I figure you don't
make peace with friends you make peace with enemies. I'll happily
withdraw to the 67 borders but I'm not having these guys over for tea...

Bismillah,

Unfortunatley the politicians play it the opposite.  They drink all kinds of things with each other, but don't want to make peace.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 10 May 2006 at 12:05pm
Servetus Bless you.

But You are so wrong. I know what's going on and I cheer from the side
lines while little girls from Olympia armed with only my wishful thinking
put themselves in harms way. I may have more to answer for than the
soldiers with whom I interfere. It's confusing. I'm never sure what the big
picture is. If indeed there is an after life I know what I'll be asked.

"If You knew so much enough to talk so much, Why didn't you do more?"


Posted By: Servetus
Date Posted: 10 May 2006 at 2:13pm

Shalom in return Daniel,


”But You [Servetus] are so wrong.”

 

I know.  But I didn’t know what else to say.

 

“I know what's going on and I cheer from the side lines while little girls from Olympia armed with only my wishful thinking put themselves in harms way.”

 

To speak one’s truth, I would think, especially when it goes against the grain, or the mainstream, is itself often a form of danger.  Live to tell (not sung to the Madonna tune or lyrics), man!  Live to tell!  

 

“I may have more to answer for than the soldiers with whom I interfere. It's confusing. I'm never sure what the big picture is.”

 

None of us knows what the big picture is.  At least you are trying to figure it out.

 

Best regards,

 

 

Serv



Posted By: rememberallah
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 11:41am
there is nothing to wonder on this everyone knows why.....what i wonder is why did they kill innocent muslim soldiers who were protecting them from european plans of forming a jewish state israel!!!! why did they kill those muslims {turks} who were not even fighting them but stood with their hands up....why did they help the fall of islamic state that stretched from libya in africa to upto present pakistan?? why did they help the coming in of europeans whom salahuddin threw out.....at times i wonder what they are going through is God's wrath, just as jews were subjected under romans tyrrannical rule when they went astray......were the ottomans doing to them what israel is doing to them??? those arabs who were really behind it are really like the first family of islam in the world today.....those who supported them are suffering at the hands of israel

QUOTING SOME HISTORY FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW HOW PEACEFUL PALESTINE WAS UNDER OTTOMAN RULE AND HOW IT ENDED -
palestine exploration fund, it was neither Lawrence nor the Army that conceived a campaign of internal insurgency against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East, but rather the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Bureau - Arab Bureau of Britain's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Office - Foreign Office . The Arab Bureau had long felt it likely that a campaign instigated and financed by outside powers, supporting the breakaway-minded tribes and regional challengers to the Turkish government's centralised rule of their empire, would pay great dividends in the diversion of effort that would be needed to meet such a challenge. The Arab Bureau had recognised the strategic value of what is today called the " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetrical_conflict - asymmetry " of such conflict. The Ottoman authorities would have to devote from a hundred to a thousand times the resources to contain the threat of such an internal rebellion compared to the Allies' cost of sponsoring it.[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed - [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed - Capture of Aqaba
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Lawrence at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqaba - Aqaba , 1917
Main article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aqaba - Battle of Aqaba

In 1917, Lawrence arranged a joint action with the Arab irregulars and forces including http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auda_Abu_Tayi - Auda Abu Tayi (until then in the employ of the Ottomans) against the strategically located but lightly defended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence#cite_note-18 - [19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence#cite_note-19 - [20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence#cite_note-20 - [21] town of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqaba - Aqaba . On 6 July, after a surprise overland attack, Aqaba fell to Lawrence and the Arab forces. After Aqaba, Lawrence was promoted to major. Fortunately for Lawrence, the new commander-in-chief of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Expeditionary_Force - Egyptian Expeditionary Force , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Allenby,_1st_Viscount_Allenby - General Sir Edmund Allenby , agreed to his strategy for the revolt, stating after the war:

"I gave him a free hand. His cooperation was marked by the utmost loyalty, and I never had anything but praise for his work, which, indeed, was invaluable throughout the campaign."

Lawrence now held a powerful position, as an adviser to Faisal and a person who had Allenby's confidence.

Fall of Damascus

The following year, Lawrence was involved in the build up to the capture of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus - Damascus in the final weeks of the war. Much to his disappointment, and contrary to instructions he had issued, he was not present at the city's formal surrender, arriving several hours after the city had fallen. Lawrence entered Damascus around 9am on 1 October 1918, but was only the third arrival of the day, the first being the 10th Australian Light Horse Brigade, led by Major A.C.N. 'Harry' Olden who formally accepted the surrender of the city from acting Governor Emir Said


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The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.


Posted By: rememberallah
Date Posted: 31 July 2012 at 11:50am
richard the lion hearted would had crowned anyone knighthood who would had got him palestine from salahuddin at times of crusades......well guess who was given knighthood by the british for doing the same job??

1926-1932, King Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman (Ibn-Saud) courted the British unashamedly, showing sublime affection towards Britain's envoys. He offered to put Arabia under their control. For his loyalty to the British crown, like so many other British agents, Ibn Saud was awarded a knighthood (presented to him by his self-proclaimed "father and mother" Percy Cox) and British documents referred to him as "Sir" Abdul Aziz Bin Saud for many years afterwards.

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The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.



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