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Topic: Maulana Maududi and Dr. Israr Ahmad
Posted By: amna_ali
Subject: Maulana Maududi and Dr. Israr Ahmad
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 5:37am

Asslamualaikum

Is there any difference between the perspective of Maulana Maududi (JamaaT-Islami) and Dr. Israr Ahmad (Ameer Tanzeem-i-Islami )regarding Islam? If yes where does this difference in their approaches lie?

Jazak Allah el Khair

Ma slaam




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Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 1:02pm

Abul A’la was born on Rajab 3, 1321 AH (September 25, 1903 AD) in Aurangabad, a well-known town in the former princely state of Hyderabad (Deccan), presently Maharashtra, India. Born in a respectable family, his ancestry on the paternal side is traced back to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be on him).

The Founder
Sayyid Abul A'la Maududi

(1903-1979)

The family had a long-standing tradition of spiritual leadership and a number of Maududi’s ancestors were outstanding leaders of Sufi Orders. One of the luminaries among them, the one from whom he derived his family name, was Khawajah Qutb al-Din Maudud (d. 527 AH), a renowned leader of the Chishti Sufi Order. Maududi’s forefathers had moved to the Subcontinent from Chisht towards the end of the 9th century of the Islamic calendar (15th century of the Christian calendar). The first one to arrive was Maududi’s namesake, Abul A’la Maududi (d. 935 AH).Maududi’s father, Ahmad Hasan, born in 1855 AD, a lawyer by profession, was a highly religious and devout person. Abul A’la was the youngest of his three sons.

Syed Abul A'la Maududi

Educational & Intellectual Growth:

After acquiring early education at home, Abul A’la was admitted in Madrasah Furqaniyah, a high school which attempted to combine the modern Western with the traditional Islamic education. After successfully completing his secondary education, young Abul A’la was at the stage of undergraduate studies at Darul Uloom, Hyderabad, when his formal education was disrupted by the illness and eventual death of his father. This did not deter Maududi from continuing his studies though these had to be outside of the regular educational institutions. By the early 1920s, Abul A’la knew enough Arabic, Persian and English, besides his mother-tongue, Urdu, to study the subjects of his interest independently. Thus, most of what he learned was self-acquired though for short spells of time he also received systematic instruction and guidance from some competent scholars. Thus, Maududi’s intellectual growth was largely a result of his own effort and the stimulation he received from his teachers. Moreover, his uprightness, his profound regard for propriety and righteousness largely reflect the religious piety of his parents and their concern for his proper moral upbringing.

Involvement in Journalism:

After the interruption of his formal education, Maududi turned to journalism in order to make his living. In 1918, he was already contributing to a leading Urdu newspaper, and in 1920, at the age of 17, he was appointed editor of Taj, which was being published from Jabalpore, a city in the province now called Madhya Pradesh, India. Late in 1920, Maududi came to Delhi and first assumed the editorship of the newspaper Muslim (1921-23), and later of al-Jam’iyat (1925-28), both of which were the organs of the Jam’iyat-i ‘Ulama-i Hind, an organisation of Muslim religious scholars. Under his editorship, al-Jam’iyat became the leading newspaper of the Muslims of India.

Interest in Politics:

Around the year 1920, Maududi also began to take some interest in politics. He participated in the Khilafat Movement, and became associated with the Tahrik-e Hijrat, which was a movement in opposition to the British rule over India and urged the Muslims of that country to migrate en masse to Afghanistan. However, he fell foul of the leadership of the movement because of his insistence that the aims and strategy of the movement should be realistic and well-planned. Maududi withdrew more and more into academic and journalistic pursuits.

First Book:

During 1920-28, Maulana Maududi also translated four different books, one from Arabic and the rest from English. He also made his mark on the academic life of the Subcontinent by writing his first major book, al-Jihad fi al-Islam. This is a masterly treatise on the Islamic law of war and peace. It was first serialised in al-Jam’iyat in 1927 and was formally published in 1930. It was highly acclaimed both by the famous poet-philosopher Muhammad Iqbal (d. 1938) and Maulana Muhammad Ali Jauhar (d. 1931), the famous leader of the Khilafat Movement. Though written during his ’20s, it is one of his major and most highly regarded works.

Research & Writings:

After his resignation from al-Jam’iyat in 1928, Maududi moved to Hyderabad and devoted himself to research and writing. It was in this connection that he took up the editorship of the monthly Tarjuman al-Qur’an in 1933, which since then has been the main vehicle for the dissemination of Maududi’s ideas. He proved to be a highly prolific writer, turning out several scores of pages every month. Initially, he concentrated on the exposition of ideas, values and basic principles of Islam. He paid special attention to the questions arising out of the conflict between the Islamic and the contemporary Western whorl. He also attempted to discuss some of the major problems of the modern age and sought to present Islamic solutions to those problems. He also developed a new methodology to study those problems in the context of the experience of the West and the Muslim world, judging them on the theoretical criterion of their intrinsic soundness and viability and conformity with the teachings of the Qur’an and the Sunnah. His writings revealed his erudition and scholarship, a deep perception of the significance of the teachings of the Qur’an and the Sunnah and a critical awareness of the mainstream of Western thought and history. All this brought a freshness to Muslim approach to these problems and lent a wider appeal to his message.

In the mid ’30s, Maududi started writing on major political and cultural issues confronting the Muslims of India at that time and tried to examine them from the Islamic perspective rather than merely from the viewpoint of short-term political and economic interests. He relentlessly criticised the newfangled ideologies which had begun to cast a spell over the minds and hearts of his brethren-in-faith and attempted to show the hollowness of those ideologies. In this connection, the idea of nationalism received concerted attention from Maududi when he forcefully explained its dangerous potentialities as well as its incompatibility with the teachings of Islam. Maududi also emphasised that nationalism in the context of India meant the utter destruction of the separate identity of Muslims. In the meantime, an invitation from the philosopher-poet Allama Muhammad Iqbal persuaded him to leave Hyderabad and settle down at a place in the Eastern part of Punjab, in the district of Pathankot. Maududi established what was essentially an academic and research centre called Darul-Islam where, in collaboration with Allama Iqbal, he planned to train competent scholars in Islamics to produce works of outstanding quality on Islam, and above all, to carry out the reconstruction of Islamic Thought.

Founding the Party:

Around the year 1940, Maududi developed ideas regarding the founding of a more comprehensive and ambitious movement and this led him to launch a new organisation under the name of the Jamaat-e-Islami. Maududi was elected Jamaat’s first Ameer and remained so till 1972 when he withdrew from the responsibility for reasons of health.

Struggle & Persecution:

After migrating to Pakistan in August 1947, Maududi concentrated his efforts on establishing a truly Islamic state and society in the country. Consistent with this objective, he wrote profusely to explain the different aspects of the Islamic way of life, especially the socio-political aspects. This concern for the implementation of the Islamic way of life led Maududi to criticise and oppose the policies pursued by the successive governments of Pakistan and to blame those in power for failing to transform Pakistan into a truly Islamic state. The rulers reacted with severe reprisal measures. Maududi was often arrested and had to face long spells in prison.

During these years of struggle and persecution, Maududi impressed all, including his critics and opponents, by the firmness and tenacity of his will and other outstanding qualities. In 1953, when he was sentenced to death by the martial law authorities on the charge of writing a seditious pamphlet on the Qadyani problem, he resolutely turned down the opportunity to file a petition for mercy. He cheerfully expressed his preference for death to seeking clemency from those who wanted, altogether unjustly, to hang him for upholding the right. With unshakeable faith that life and death lie solely in the hands of Allah, he told his son as well as his colleagues: "If the time of my death has come, no one can keep me from it; and if it has not come, they cannot send me to the gallows even if they hang themselves upside down in trying to do so." His family also declined to make any appeal for mercy. His firmness astonished the government which was forced, under strong public pressure both from within and without, to commute the death sentence to life imprisonment and then to cancel it.

Intellectual Contribution:

Maulana Maududi has written over 120 books and pamphlets and made over a 1000 speeches and press statements of which about 700 are available on record.

Maududi’s pen was simultaneously prolific, forceful and versatile. The range of subjects he covered is unusually wide. Disciplines such as Tafsir, Hadith, law, philosophy and history, all have received the due share of his attention. He discussed a wide variety of problems C political, economic, cultural, social, theological etc. C and attempted to state how the teachings of Islam were related to those problems. Maududi has not delved into the technical world of the specialist, but has expounded the essentials of the Islamic approach in most of the fields of learning and inquiry. His main contribution, however, has been in the fields of the Qur’anic exegesis (Tafsir), ethics, social studies and the problems facing the movement of Islamic revival. His greatest work is his monumental tafsir in Urdu of the Qur’an, Tafhim al-Qur’an, a work he took 30 years to complete. Its chief characteristic lies in presenting the meaning and message of the Qur’an in a language and style that penetrates the hearts and minds of the men and women of today and shows the relevance of the Qur’an to their everyday problems, both on the individual and societal planes. He translated the Qur’an in direct and forceful modern Urdu idiom. His translation is much more readable and eloquent than ordinary literal translations of the Qur’an. He presented the Qur’an as a book of guidance for human life and as a guide-book for the movement to implement and enforce that guidance in human life. He attempted to explain the verses of the Qur’an in the context of its total message. This tafsir has made a far-reaching impact on contemporary Islamic thinking in the Subcontinent, and through its translations, even abroad.

The influence of Maulana Maududi is not confined to those associated with the Jamaat-e-Islami. His influence transcends the boundaries of parties and organisations. Maududi is very much like a father-figure for Muslims all over the world. As a scholar and writer, he is the most widely read Muslim writer of our time. His books have been translated into most of the major languages of the world C Arabic, English, Turkish, Persian, Hindi, French, German, Swahili, Tamil, Bengali, etc. C and are now increasingly becoming available in many more of the Asian, African and European languages.

Travels & Journeys Abroad:

The several journeys which Maududi undertook during the years 1956-74 enabled Muslims in many parts of the world to become acquainted with him personally and appreciate many of his qualities. At the same time, these journeys were educative for Maududi himself as well as they provided to him the opportunity to gain a great deal of first-hand knowledge of the facts of life and to get acquainted with a large number of persons in different parts of the world. During these numerous tours, he lectured in Cairo, Damascus, Amman, Makkah, Madinah, Jeddah, Kuwait, Rabat, Istanbul, London, New York, Toronto and at a host of international centres. During these years, he also participated in some 10 international conferences. He also made a study tour of Saudi Arabia, Jordan (including Jerusalem), Syria and Egypt in 1959-60 in order to study the geographical aspects of the places mentioned in the Qur’an. He was also invited to serve on the Advisory Committee which prepared the scheme for the establishment of the Islamic University of Madinah and was on its Academic Council ever since the inception of the University in 1962.

He was also a member of the Foundation Committee of the Rabitah al-Alam al-Islami, Makkah, and of the Academy of Research on Islamic Law, Madinah. In short, he was a tower of inspiration for Muslims the world over and influenced the climate and pattern of thought of Muslims, as the Himalayas or the Alps influence the climate in Asia or Europe without themselves moving about.

His Last Days:

In April 1979, Maududi’s long-time kidney ailment worsened and by then he also had heart problems. He went to the United States for treatment and was hospitalised in Buffalo, New York, where his second son worked as a physician. Even at Buffalo, his time was intellectually productive. He spent many hours reviewing Western works on the life of the Prophet and meeting with Muslim leaders, their followers and well-wishers.

Following a few surgical operations, he died on September 22, 1979 at the age of 76. His funeral was held in Buffalo, but he was buried in an unmarked grave at his residence (Ichra) in Lahore after a very large funeral procession through the city.

May Allah bless him with His mercy for his efforts and reward him amply for the good that he has rendered for the nation of Islam (Ummah).

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    Posted By: amna_ali
    Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 10:37pm

    Asslamualaikum

    Thanks for a very informative article about MAulana MAududi. Jazak Allah.

    But my question is little bit different. I want to know whats the differnce between JAmaat-i-islami and Tanzeem-i-islami? Whats the point where both differ?

    Ma salaam

     



    Posted By: aservant
    Date Posted: 30 June 2005 at 1:34am

    dear amna ali

    the difference was once explained by doctor israr himself.  as for as i remember he said that both of them were togather in jamaat-e-islami.  but maulana naududi started taking part in politics seriously and doctor israr did not want to involve in politics directly.  due to this difference in their thinking they split and doctor israr then established tanzeem-e-islami.

    does this answer your question?

    a well wisher



    Posted By: hkrespect
    Date Posted: 30 June 2005 at 2:49am
    mmmh, politics, is this allowed?

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    Posted By: UmerSultan
    Date Posted: 25 May 2008 at 2:56pm
    Assalam-o-Alaikum,
     
    There is nothing wrong with Political activity. However, Dr Israr having the point of view that if JI (Jamat-e-Islami) will participate in Politics then the unethical attitutes among political parties of pakistan will infiltrate into JI. Thus should stay away from Direct Political Activity.
     
    On the other hand, Maulana Mawdudi came to the conclusion that without pariticipating in the decision making process, there can be no change towards better, and that the corrupt politicians will change the course of the whole nation at they whims.
     
     
    It was this minor perspective that lead Israr Ahmed to leave JI.
     
    The difference of their perspectives to achieve the same goal has never made a division.
     
    However, we the common people can clearly notice the impact and the potential that Jamat-e-Islami has on Pak Politics and International Relations with Islamic Movements compared to the Tanzeem-e-Islami which is more Spiritual and more like Tablighi Jamaat.
     
    However we should remember Dr Israr Ahmed joined S. Mawdudi and its Maulana Mawdudi to whom Imam-e-Kaaba said "You are Imam-ul-Muslimoon."
     
    Wassalam


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    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 17 June 2008 at 4:08am
     
     These two persons have some history. Maudoodi sahib started off as a self educated journalist, became prominant when he wrote a book about Jihad in Islam (1928). Later he started a monthly magazine "Tarjuman al Quran". Those were the days of turmoil in British ruled India. The Muslims and the Hindus were struggling for freedom.
     
     Hindus were led by Gandhi and Nehru by the Congress party. Muslims were led by Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Many muslim organisations sided with Congress. Many others did not do so but at the same time, did not support the move for Pakistan. Maudoodi sahib was one of them. He did not support the creation of Pakistan. That was because he did not see any Islam in Jinnah sahib who was always well dressed in suit and tie.
     
     Maudoodi sahib formed a Jamaat in 1941. He wanted it to be a political party. But other maulvis of repute did not agree. As soon as pakistan came into being (India divided), Maudoodi sahib came to Pakistan and started a severe movement to Islamicise Pakistan. To do that he announced that Jamaat Islami was a political party.
     
     At that time many members left Jamaat Islami. Maulana Ameen Ahsan islahi was one of them. Perhaps, Dr. Israr did not leave the jamaat at that time. He was too young and may have left the Jamaat at a much later date, many years later.
     
     Jamaat Islami suffered many setbacks due its political activities in Pakistan. Maudoodi sahib spent much of his life in jail. The other members suffered too. They could not make any headway and became frustrated. So they kept on leaving the Jamaat. But still it had a good hold on the people.
     
     The important point is: Dr. Israr sahib is suggesting some funny type of proposals, e.g. setting up the Khilafat. He wants to go back to Khilafat. But how it will be done is not known. There are many of his videos available on u-tube.


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    Posted By: gappub
    Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:47pm


    This is very irresponsible to give remarks like "Funny proposal of Khilafa".

    If someone is not able to understand any ideology, he should learn it.

    Do you think that Hazrat Eisah will come and he will be elected prime minister of democratic system ? Or Hazrat Imam Mahdi will be a elected as a president by a parliament ?

    Democracy is a playground of masonic powers.

    Please, just think with responsibility when posting any remarks.


    I am sorry if i said something wrong.

    Jazak Allah









    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 19 June 2008 at 6:56am
     No I do not think that Isa or Mehdi will be elected by people.  I said that Dr. Israr is propounding some unusual way of establishing Khilafah which I do not understand. He is talking about it. If any one understands then he/she should explain it to us. Maudoodi sahib did not try to do that.
     
     I do not say that Hazrat Eisa a.s. will be elected prime minister by democratic methods. But I know that Khalifah is made by Allah. No man make any one a Khalifah with the will of Allah. A Khalifah is always made by Allah.


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    Posted By: UmerSultan
    Date Posted: 19 June 2008 at 6:16pm
    Assalam-o-Alaikum brother,

    Hazrat Esa and Imam Mehdi, neither of these figures need to be chosen via any means. Democrat, Communist, Socialist, Dictatorship or even ways our Khulafa did.

    These 2 figures are already appointed as Khalifas by God as in Quran. Islamic Republic of Iran's Constitution also clearly says that their government and constitution is legal until Imam Mehdi arrives. Then their leader will give their allegiance to Imam Mehdi.

    Imam mehdi will give the leadership to Hazrat Jesus, when Jesus Christ is going to return. So there is no question or confusion about their leadership chances.

    On the other hand, ruling muslims in present circumstances, enforcing Islam in the Muslim Lands, and enforcing Shariah in the lands of Muslims will neither be done by some Angel or by someone sent from Heaven.

    Hazrat Abu Bakar was a human like us,
    Hazrat Umer was like us
    Usman was like us
    Ali was like us
    Umer bin Abdul Azziz was like us
    and many others were like us

    Some of them were companions of Noble Prophet SAW, some Tabieen, others Taba Tabieen and few nothin, for example, Tipu Sultan, Aurenzeb Alamgir, Salahuddin Ayubi just to name a few.

    To have an Islamic State we have to find a way to implement Islam. Which ensures that all Islamic laws are being implemented.
    Basic Political structure ones:
    1] Right of Political Opposition and Questioning of the Government, even Islamic Government by any ordinary citizen regardless of his faith. (Khilafah of Umer Khattab and examples of Prophet Muhammed himself being questioned, which he did not mind at all). (and that Hazrat Ali for 6 months didn't give his vote, his allegiance to Caliph Abu Bakar, which he lobbied Hazrat Ali for those 6 months.)

    2] Freedom of Religion and State organized spreading of virtue and diminishing the evil

    3] Non Muslim being allowed to have freedom of Civil Posts, even as Judges of Civil law, and many others. (Jewish Maimanoide of Muslim Spain)

    4] Women (Muslim and Non Muslim) being allowed to work freely, with out any harassment or discrimination, to own business or property, or to become an entrepreneur. (Hazrat Khadija)

    and many others. Many of this is not being done in any Muslim country, not even Saudi Arabia. The closest one is Iran. Which people refuse to accept and recognize becoz it is a "Shia" state.




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    Posted By: UmerSultan
    Date Posted: 19 June 2008 at 6:35pm
    Brother is Khalifa appointed by Allah or not is a very important issue. Many Muslims don't understand the importance. It is a very critical issue.

    1]IF Khalifa is being appointed by God, then that means God didn't want a Khalifa after Umer bin Abdul Aziz and since then He doesn't want Muslims to have a Khalifa.

    If that is true then, we Muslims don't need to do anything and there is not point, becoz God himself is responsible, just like He is responsible of Taking and giving of Life.

    NOW

    If Khalifa is in our lands, in the hands of people. THEN

    It is our responsibility to implement islam in our countries.

    NOW LETS SEE

    On the death bed Hazrat Muhammed SAW answered to the question of Muslim leadership that you know your people, I am sure you willl chose a person who is eligible for this post.

    People chose Abu Bakar, Hazrat Ali and Umer as a close advisor with other important Sahaba.

    Then Abu Bakar gave leadership to Umer
    Then Umer at his ending days said:
    I have 2 options. (1) Do what Muhammed SAW did. Leave Muslims without a leader and leave it on the PEOPLE to chose, as WE DID. (2) Do what Abu Bakar did, appoint a person after me.
    But I will to something different.

    (3) I will make a counsel who are eligible for this post. Then chose one from them.

    He gave a detailed description of each 6 possible Caliphs. And through, what now we call Democratic Process because of lack of term for that process, Hazrat Usman was selected, with the vote of the Counsel and by the people.

    Also during Abu Bakar's struggle to Unite Muslims, H. Umer gave a speech about how Ansars are better than Muahjireen from the verses of Quran and then gave his arguments that leadership should go to companions which are muhajirin in the interest of Islam and Muslims.



    At the end it WE THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE.


    BUT there is one hadith, which is something like this:

    Do not curse you leaders, for God appoints them over you because of you actions.


    AT THE END:

    It is indeed God to whom everything belongs but it is God given Free will to mankind that takes certain decisions for themselves.

    It is that exercise of Free Will that we have to appoint the Vicegerent of God on God's Earth. That we have to abide by the rules of God through our God given Free Will.

    As beautifully explained by Maulana Mawdudi in his writings about Free Will.

    So Islamic Democracy is what then:

    Government by The People, for the People according to the laws of Islam. Where People are human being, the creation of Allah, and that they are Law abiding Muslims and active in the civil process.





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    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 20 June 2008 at 12:21am
     
     Most of what you have said is correct. I cannot do any better. Please remember that in the election of Hazrat Abu bakr, the will of Allah was there. Also Hazrat Umarand Uthman and Ali were made Khalifah by the will of allah.
     
     When I say that Khalifah is made by Allah, it means that it the people who act /decide but the will of Allah is workingbehind them. I do not mean that only Allah does all Himself. That should be understood.
     
     But there is another angle too. If the people (Like dr. Israr sahib) get together and try to establish Khilafat in the land, they cannot do it without the will of Allah. As you said, the people must be fit (Muttaqueen, Saliheen) to carry the burden of the Khilafat. If they are not fit then theycannot even keep the Khilafat going. The Khilafat gets lost by them and their bad works.
     
     I do not blame or curse any one. I just stated that Khalifah is made by Allah and not by the will of the people only. Thanks for your good remarks. I hope you knew that maudoodi sahib criticised Hadhrat uthman r.a. in his book for malpractices. That was not good. Hadhrat Uthman was a victim of the bad activities of the Ibne saba group. The criminals got him killed in the capital (Madinah).


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    Posted By: UmerSultan
    Date Posted: 20 June 2008 at 8:42pm
    You know brother, I understand what you saying and neither was I trying to oppose you. But when People say "Will of Allah" it sounds like mankind has no job to do.
     
    You know like Hizb Tahrir (HT) people say Kalifah is appointed by Allah. But then it gets confusing and one can have a non stop lenghty debate.
     
    What do you mean when you say Kahilfah is appointed by Allah. I mean does that only Applies to Caliph and not to President, Dictator, King, Sultan etc?
     
    Yes as Sahaba were Human being they did something as they were not suppose to do and Khilafat of Hazrat Usman was one of it. Even though it was Saba's evil plan to divide the ummah but the measures Hazrat Usman took as a Caliph were too lenient.
     
    Any way, the most important point is not repeating the history and learning from our history, which we muslims are not being told to do. I have seen people on the internet talking about having Zero Body guards for the Leader of the state, whatever you call it Caliph President whatever. The reason being given becoz Khulafa Rashideen didn't have one. Well 3 out of 4 were murdered. And that is very significant when it comes to the political stability of a State.
     
    You are absolutely correct. People who say that we should bring Khilafah back. Well there is no Back. We can't bring our past in our lives back. We have work with present technologies and present ideals and attitudes of People to bring Islam back.
     
    If Islam is implemented then our lives will be better it doesn't matter whether it is through Islamic Democracy or Kingship.
     
    Wassalam
     


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    Posted By: Sign*Reader
    Date Posted: 21 June 2008 at 1:07pm
    Originally posted by UmerSultan



    He gave a detailed description of each 6 possible Caliphs. And through, what now we call Democratic Process because of lack of term for that process, Hazrat Usman was selected, with the vote of the Counsel and by the people.


    Electoral College-- Caliph Umar ra was centuries ahead with the concept!
    He tried to break the mold of tribalism but alas that wasn't taken to heart by the people!



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    Posted By: seekshidayath
    Date Posted: 21 June 2008 at 6:36pm
    Originally posted by UmerSultan

    We have work with present technologies and present ideals and attitudes of People to bring Islam back.
     
    If Islam is implemented then our lives will be better it doesn't matter whether it is through Islamic Democracy or Kingship.
     
    Wassalam
     
     
    Very true brother. We need to start up and implement Islam, individually , with ourselves first. It shud n't matter if it is thru Democracy or else.
     
    If am not wrong, Dr.Israr Ahmed sahab very much stresses over the establishment of Islamic democracy. He advices to start up from self and then spread over. Probably he lectured it over the topic,  'Rabb ka nizaam --- ".
     
     


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    Posted By: gappub
    Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 8:30am
    i think that difference between two scholars is a mostly political systems.

    A slogan of Jamaat is to bring Islam via democracy. whereas Mr. Israar is absolutely against current form of democracy.

    In fact, we have been completely brainwashed in a way that we see only two systems in this world Democracy or dictatorship, beside the fact that democracy has failed to prove itself as a successful system in third world but it has established a fear of dictatorship in minds of people

    democracy is a weapon to blackmail poor country leaders to obey U.S.

    I see only one prime minister ever who was loyal to pakistan was Mohamad khan junejo. he forced cut expenses, started a free schooling system. and finaly he was thrown away. Why ? because our democracy does not afford education. If people will be educated, they wall start to think and it is bad for democracy and ruthless form of capitalism.

    where Jamaat is concerned, Jamaat has always been in the democretic poltical process of pakistan but it has completely failed to win hearts and minds of people. Based on their past 60 years performance, i do not see in future that they will ever be able to make any progress. beside these facts, they insist to remain in the competetion. Why ?
    There is no doubt that they have some vote bank and due to this vote bank, they get some seats in parliment. probably these seats are sufficient for cream of Jamaat to be satisfied...
    Is it all Jamaat is for ?

    I think that Jamaat should immediately leave its ties with current politics and should indulge itself in the process of change. Change towards Islamic system.


    Please forgive me if i wrote anything wrong.
    May Allah forgive us all.

    JazakAllah.

    fee amaan Allah.


    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 22 June 2008 at 7:13pm
     
      You are right. The Jama'at got divided in 1947. Those in India could not work becuase they did not believe in secularism. The Indian constitution supports nationalism, secularism and democracy. Unless the Indian Jama'at went for secularism, they could not work.
     
     If they opted for secularism then it meant that their leader Maudoodi sahib was teaching wrong things. So they got stuck and could not make a decision. Without decision there was no progress.
     
     One important learned (outspoken) man of India (may be controversial person but he seemed to be an ex Jama'at Islami man, Abdul Waheed Khan) remarked a few years ago about Jama'at Islami. That is what he said what I have told above. In addition he remarked about the Jama'at Islami of Pakistan that is finished.  It has only only ****** value. I forget the actual word. If I remember it, I will write it. It was a bad word. That meant, it was a Jama'at which could only raise slogans and disturb the peace and make false claims.


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    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 23 June 2008 at 5:53pm
     I just remembered the word used by A. Waheed Khan about the Pakistan Jama'at Islami. He said that it was nothing. It had only Nuisense value. The word used was Nuisense.

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    Posted By: gappub
    Date Posted: 24 June 2008 at 2:14am
    I like these remarks.

    I see it as a very true definition.
    Last night i was watching Yasir Fazaga on peace TV. He was talking about condemning people on their actions. His point of view was that we should not condemn people on their wrong actions rather we should educate them. If a person is indulged into a wrong habit, he needs a help and path of return, not mere condemnation.

    while watching him, I remembered jamee'at (student cell of Jamaat in pakistan) the way they are behaving on new year nights. harrasing people on streets,  breaking car windows outside of hotals and clubs, where they assume that drinking is going on etc. They do it under umbrella of "Amr bil maroof wa nahi anil munker"

    I am sure that to act under this umbrella, one has to be trust worthy and people should accept their deeds and actions as a noble cause.
    But people do not want to buy these actions as noble rather it is really considered as "nuisane".

    I feel that it is mostly due to dirty politics.
    They do not even accept a fair politics. Few months ago, Imran Khan wanted to do a student convention in punjab university. He was literally beaten and thrown out of university. Just because Jamai'at  can not afford to take away their student power based on words. :)
    Though Qazi later apologized but it was too late.

    I have seen the politics of schools and colleges. this is a worst that any political party can offer to a student. unfortunatly Jamaat is also indulged into it. sorry, rather it is their life line.

    Thousands of students lost carriers. hundreds lost lives.
    what for ?

    So that Jamaat can get 10 seats in the parliment !
    Is it serving Islam ?



    Please forgive me and correct me  if i wrote anything wrong.
    May Allah forgive us all.

    JazakAllah.
    Fee amaan Allah.


    Posted By: UmerSultan
    Date Posted: 24 June 2008 at 6:23pm
    Originally posted by gappub



    I think that Jamaat should immediately leave its ties with current politics and should indulge itself in the process of change. Change towards Islamic system.



    If Jamaat would leave the system who would preserve the little Islam in the gay political system of Pakistan. Brother you simply forgot that it was JI and IJT that gave their lives and Mawlana Mawdudi who accepted Death sentence from the government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan for declaring Qadiyanis Non Muslims and Demanding them as being declared as a Non Muslim in Pakistan. Today still IJT is the only organization that is working tirelessly to educate and expose Qadiani movement to the secular Muslims of Pakistan. Khatm-e-Nubuwwat just wants to take the credit for all the achievement little do they give creadit to IJT Students who gave killed by Qadianis and due to which the Nation wide movement was started.

    Do you think everything will get normal? Do you think that one day someone on that PM's seat will decide to implement Islamic system becoz some groups like Hizb Tahrer and Nizam-e-Islami demands Islam???

    Until and unless we go ourselves and do the janitorial work, nothin will get clean. Our masses are ignorant and are materialistic. Moreover they have allegiances to everyone but except to Allah and His Prophet. You think that Islamic government will come like that. What some Angels are going to do it!

    There are only 2 possible ways of Bringing a Revolution, any revolution.
    1] Take Arms and revolt [French Revolution/ Iranian Revolution/ Algiers Revolution]

    2] Be Peaceful and work in the government and Change the country [South Asian Revolution, Civil Rights Movement's Revolution and Gandhi's and Jinnah's Revolution]

    The First one only possible when there is no hope left. When things are totally corrupt. Pakistan is not in that phase. If God Forbids it enters then any one take arms and can lead the nation (if the masses willingly accept leadership).

    The second one is when there is a system in place and foreign threats are being faces. When People have a land where they are free and Pakistan is in this stage. Its a second stage after Independence. All governments go through this phase. America did, Great Britain did, France did after French revolution.

    Jamaat is doing what no other organization is capable of doing. And it is better for them to stick in the political system. Otherwise JUI and JUP and other Maulana organizations are going to mess Pakistan up. Streets of Pakistan will be full with blood becoz fof sectarian violence.





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    Posted By: gappub
    Date Posted: 28 June 2008 at 3:05am
    as salaam'o alikum.


    This is exactly anyone will listen from most supporters of JI.
    I accept everything you just said. (with disagreement on 2 possible ways of bringing Islam)

    You forgot to mention the only way of bringing Islam i.e. Way of Allah & Mohammad (pbuh)
    and it is not a bloody revolution neither it is a compromise with current systems.
    Life of prophet will give you all what you need to do in bringing Islam as a system
    Unfortunatly, we always forget to mention the way of prophet (pbuh)

    If you will insist on only said 2 systems then i must say that you are wrong.


    My friend, please think on a little broader scale.

    You should accept some of these basic facts.
    *. democracy is rule of people. (People can make any rules/law they want in the assembly)
    *. Islam is an eternal law by Allah. no human can change a bit of law just to satisfy needs of time.

    It means that democracy and Islam can not remain togather !
    In order to bring Islamic system, Democracy has to crash down.

    Instead of crashing down a democracy, JI is insisting that they will bring a rules of Allah by democracy.
    How ? by getting votes from people ?
    With efforts of last 60 years:
    How many seat are with JI ? 6 seats.(and its not only JI. It is all MMA)
    I dont know by what maths JI will every get 160 seats to bring a law of Quran.

    Probably, NEVER !

    Mr Maodoodi is a hero of Jamaat and alas, JI is now indulging in "hero worship"
    He will be rewarded by Allah for his efforts but we need to look forward to realities
    and find a right way of installing a law of Quran.

    JI may have done lots of good things in past but what we have to see is present and future.
    Can you tell me where do you see JI after 10 years ?
    Based on its 60 years performance in parliments, i do not see any difference even after 20 years

    Like any other party, JI is also begging in front of powers to please please give us democrecy because we want to play election election.


    And, what sectarian violence you are talking about ?
    do you mean Shia/Sunni ?

    As you said
    "If Jamaat would leave the system who would preserve the little Islam in the gay political system of Pakistan"

    Islam does not require democracy for its preservation !

    When we become a part of a system, our survival becomes dependent on that system.  JI has become dependent on a democracy and it can not afford to destroy this system therefore it is giving lame excuses in order to let this system survive.

    JI will always support democracy. And will never let it crash.
    JI has no other cause left except to get some seats in parliment. JI is a part of democrecy that is a system of Free Masons.
    If democracy dies, JI dies.



    System of Allah has to come. And it will come. No one can stop it.
    But i do not see coming via democracy.



    What ever i said by my own, i might be wrong.
    please convince me.


    Allah may forgive our mistakes and sins.
    InshaAllah


    May Allah bless us all.
    Allah hafiz



    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 05 July 2008 at 12:10am
     
     Dr. Israr sahib has some peculiar way of establishing the Khilafat again. May be he himself understands it. According to Doctor sahib, all the Muslim nations should get together and decide to chose some one as a Khalifah. That is impossible.
     
     Real Khalifah is made by Allah. Khalifah could be a political head. But he must be a spiritual head first. Where shall the Muslims find such a person today? There was a very true news about the coming of the Masiha a.s. in Ummah to help the Ummah. That was described both in the books Bukhari and Muslim (Agreed Hadith). Even Maudoodi sahib also believed in that. And he had described the coming of the Isa a.s. and then Maudoodi sahib actually described a whole battlefield of opposing forces. He tried to arrange the forces of Dajjal and Isa a.s. and moved them around as he understood things.
     
     Maudoodi sahib also believed in the Mujaddids of the Ummah. He also believed that Imam Mahdi will come. But he said that the Imam Mahdi will be a top class (modern) political leader. And the Imam Mahdi will not know that he was the Imam Mahdi. After his death, the people will come to know that He was the Imam Mahdi for the Ummah.
     
     Such things are written in the books. Previously, when the worldly Khilafat (of the Turks) was finished in about 1924 A.D. the muslims of India had started a movement to revive the Khilafat of Turkey. They had chosen Junab Gandhi sahib as the head of the movement to restore Khilafat. But the movement failed very quickly because the British had finished that Khilafat in Turkey and the british did not want the revival of Khialaft at all.
     
     Also the Turks acting on the orders of Kamal Ata Turk, were the part in ending the Khilafat. They did not want Khialafat. So the movement fizzled out. Maudoodi sahib spent his life trying to establish a Government by Allah ( Hakoomat e Ilahiyya). But he failed to do it. He did not understand the basic things clearly and opposed the creation of Pakistan. So he became unpopular in Pakistan. His movement could not make any headway in India or Pakistan.


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    Posted By: gappub
    Date Posted: 08 August 2008 at 11:41pm

    How could Mr. Maudoodi believed that Imam mahdi will not know that he is Imam mahdi ?
    If he will not know that he is Mehdi then he should also not know that who is dajjal ? and who is Isa ?

    If this is how Mr. Maudoodi undertood Imam Mehdi then i doubt....

    Also what is a definition of (Top class modern political leader) ?


    I found some of Ahadith regarding Imam mehdi.
    http://www.irshad.org/islam/prophecy/mahdi.htm



    Regards




    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 09 August 2008 at 8:29pm
    Originally posted by gappub


    How could Mr. Maudoodi believed that Imam mahdi will not know that he is Imam mahdi ?
    If he will not know that he is Mehdi then he should also not know that who is dajjal ? and who is Isa ?

    If this is how Mr. Maudoodi undertood Imam Mehdi then i doubt....

    Also what is a definition of (Top class modern political leader) ?

    I found some of Ahadith regarding Imam mehdi.
    http://www.irshad.org/islam/prophecy/mahdi.htm

    Regards


     
     You are right. If Imam mahdi did not know about himself then how he could go to fught the Dajjal. But there is another point too.
     
     There is a Hadith, The prophet said  that when Imam Mahdi comes, the muslims should support him and give him my Salaam.
     
     Now if Imam Mahdi did not know about himself that he was the Mahdi,  and he did not tell any one that he is the Imam al Mahdi then how could people follow him and support him? Maudoodi sahib siad that people will come to know about Mahdi after his death, by his good works that he was the Mahdi.
     
     It is a strange belief, not seems to be right.


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    Posted By: Mansoor_ali
    Date Posted: 26 September 2008 at 6:00am

     


     May peace and blessings of Allah Almighty be on all of you.

     I am very big fan of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abul_Ala_Maududi - Maulana Maududi .Nodoubt Maulana was one of the most prolific scholars of Islam(May Allah please with him).He spent his whole life for Islam.His contributions a lot.

     His major contribution was in the field of Quran.His commentary of Holy Quran by the name of 'Tafheem ul Quran' is very famous among muslims and non-muslims.I personally have read about those non-muslims who accepted Islam by reading his commentary.

     'Tafheem ul Quran' can be read in English language as well as in Urdu language.

     Click here for http://tafheem.net/ - English

     And click http://maududi.org/tafheemulquran/readonline.php - here to read in Urdu language.

     Now some about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israr_Ahmed - Dr.Israr Ahmed .By profession he is a medical doctor(M.B.B.S) but he has devoted his life for the sake of Islam.He is very renowned scholar and mufassir of Quran.Firstly,he was influenced by http://Maulana%20Maududi -  Thanks all of you.

     



    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 26 September 2008 at 11:37am
    Originally posted by gappub



    This is very irresponsible to give remarks like "Funny proposal of Khilafa".

    If someone is not able to understand any ideology, he should learn it.

    Do you think that Hazrat Eisah will come and he will be elected prime minister of democratic system ? Or Hazrat Imam Mahdi will be a elected as a president by a parliament ?

    Democracy is a playground of masonic powers.

    Please, just think with responsibility when posting any remarks.


    I am sorry if i said something wrong.

    Jazak Allah


     I had to say like that because I heard what Dr. Israr said about the method of setting up Khilafat. I cannot fully remember now what he said. But it was something like all muslim countries agreeing to set up Khilafat and then siting together and choosing a Khalifah. It was really a funny proposal because it was not workable. That is all.

     Do you believe that Hazrat Eisa is alive now and he will come in this world? Please tell.






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    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 26 September 2008 at 11:51am
    Originally posted by gappub


    How could Mr. Maudoodi believed that Imam mahdi will not know that he is Imam mahdi ?
    If he will not know that he is Mehdi then he should also not know that who is dajjal ? and who is Isa ?

    If this is how Mr. Maudoodi undertood Imam Mehdi then i doubt....

    Also what is a definition of (Top class modern political leader) ?


    I found some of Ahadith regarding Imam mehdi.
    http://www.irshad.org/islam/prophecy/mahdi.htm



    Regards

     
     Yes, Quite interesting. Maudoodi sahib wrote in a book that there will be no news from Allah now to any one. Therefore Imam Mahdi will also not know that he was the Imam Mahdi.  After his death, people will consider his great works and will come to know that he (so and so) was the Imam Mahdi.
     
    This had been written in one of his books. But he believed in the coming of Imam Mahdi before Eisa a.s.
     
     I do not think that he was right because the Saints (Aulia Allah) of the Ummah had been claiming some news of the Ghaib (Ilham) etc. And those are published in their books too. Persons like Abdul Qadir Jeelani and Shah Waliullah Dehlawi and his father and Moheyuddin ibne Arabi (Undulusi), they had reported their Ilham.
     
     Also there is a Hadith " Nothng is left of the prophethood except Mubassharat." The Sahabah asked "What are Mubassharat?"
     The prophet replied "True dreams". That meant messages will come through visions.
     
     Maudoodi sahib did not believe in Ilham or traeeqat. He also did not like the Democracy and nationalism and Secularism, in the beginning. But later agreed to politics and became a political leader.



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    Posted By: minuteman
    Date Posted: 03 October 2008 at 5:09am
     
     Originally posted by gappub


     How could Mr. Maudoodi believed that Imam mahdi will not know that he is Imam mahdi ?
    If he will not know that he is Mehdi then he should also not know that who is dajjal ? and who is Isa ?

    If this is how Mr. Maudoodi undertood Imam Mehdi then i doubt....

    Also what is a definition of (Top class modern political leader) ?


    I found some of Ahadith regarding Imam mehdi.
    http://www.irshad.org/islam/prophecy/mahdi.htm



    Regards
     
      I am sorry, I do not have any copy paste facility /practice. What I wrote is correct that maudoodi sahib said "Imam Mahdi will not know that he is the Imam mahdi....... Any one who will claim to be Imam Mahdi will be a liar.....  Imam Mahdi will be a most advanced modern political leader.....
     
     I can name the book where he wrote these things. It is not a big book. It is book in which Maudoodi sahib blamed Hazrat Uthman for not being honest and fair during his Caliphate.
     In that book, Maudoodi sahib took charge of all the reformers (Mujaddideen) of the Ummah of each century and informed every one of us about the mistakes they made..... starting from Umar bin Abdul Aziz and ending with Syed Ahmad Shaheed Brelvi, the mUjaddid of 13th century.


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    Posted By: gappub
    Date Posted: 07 October 2008 at 3:49am
    Re:   Do you believe that Hazrat Eisa is alive now and he will come in this world? Please tell.



    Yes, He is alive but not on the face of this earth. He was taken alive by Allah.
    He will be sent back to earth by Allah. to fight Dajjal.

    (I wonder, why did you ask me this question)




    Posted By: gappub
    Date Posted: 07 October 2008 at 3:57am
    Original By Minuteman


    I am sorry, I do not have any copy paste facility /practice. What I wrote is correct that maudoodi sahib said "Imam Mahdi will not know that he is the Imam mahdi....... Any one who will claim to be Imam Mahdi will be a liar.....  Imam Mahdi will be a most advanced modern political leader.....
     
     I can name the book where he wrote these things. It is not a big book. It is book in which Maudoodi sahib blamed Hazrat Uthman for not being honest and fair during his Caliphate.
     In that book, Maudoodi sahib took charge of all the reformers (Mujaddideen) of the Ummah of each century and informed every one of us about the mistakes they made..... starting from Umar bin Abdul Aziz and ending with Syed Ahmad Shaheed Brelvi, the mUjaddid of 13th century.




    It is very informative, 
    Thank you




    Posted By: abosait
    Date Posted: 09 January 2009 at 7:00am

    Originally posted by minuteman

    I can name the book where he  Maudoodi sahib blamed Hazrat Uthman for not being honest and fair during his Caliphate.... and informed us about the mistakes they (the reformers (Mujaddideen) of the Ummah of each century) made..... starting from Umar bin Abdul Aziz and ending with Syed Ahmad Shaheed Brelvi, the mUjaddid of 13th century.
    I happened to read all the posts in this thread today and noticed that you have not mentioned the name of that book even after three months. Could you tell us at least now? There might be some site which has uploaed that book but we cannot google it out unless we know the title of the book if you are truthful.

    02/05/09 Wheres minuteman gone?



    Posted By: obaidmuhammad23
    Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 8:15pm
    Assalamu Alaikum
    It is wrong to separate Religion from Politics. Religion came to rule over a country not just in the Masajids. This is the problem, for example in Pakistan, that most of the Ulema and religious people do not care about how become their leaders saying politics is Haram. But they follow those leaders, they have to say yes to them, they have to abide by their rules, they have to participate under the politicians no matter if the say its haram or not.


    Posted By: obaidmuhammad23
    Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 8:18pm
    I have seen people using wrong english words for Maulana Maududi's Urdu words that change the meaning a lot. Please look at his books completely without any hate in ur mind.

    Originally posted by abosait


    Originally posted by minuteman

    I can name the book where he  Maudoodi sahib blamed Hazrat Uthman for not being honest and fair during his Caliphate.... and informed us about the mistakes they (the reformers (Mujaddideen) of the Ummah of each century) made..... starting from Umar bin Abdul Aziz and ending with Syed Ahmad Shaheed Brelvi, the mUjaddid of 13th century.
    I happened to read all the posts in this thread today and noticed that you have not mentioned the name of that book even after three months. Could you tell us at least now? There might be some site which has uploaed that book but we cannot google it out unless we know the title of the book if you are truthful.

    02/05/09 Wheres minuteman gone?




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