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Topic: Blind Following of Madhabs
Posted By: rami
Subject: Blind Following of Madhabs
Date Posted: 24 June 2008 at 11:55pm
Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

assalamu alaikum

I was surprised to know that some people did not know that much of the hostility that many people feel towards those who call themselves salafiyah comes from there call for the abolishment of the madhhabs [although not all these people are actually calling for this, its hard to pinpoint the exact demographics of this but it was strongest among those who lived in western countries and the indo/pak sub continent] the quotes in points 4, 5 and 6 are very clear on this. So i decided to post this [again] as a way of looking at the history of this call to abandon the madhhabs. Please note that rashid rida is essentially the founder of the Quran only movement [i.e no sunnah just the Quran, a movement rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] has said would come towards the end of time] and has some very heretical views that are borderline Kufr [essentially referring to his claim of being a messenger by defanition of the word]. Also please note that the Saudi Government has publicly admitted to teaching the wrong things and was in the process of correcting there past mistakes or that is how it was reported in the news so im not certain what teachings they are actually referring to but essentially they where referring to the extremism they helped spread, Sh. Albani has also acknowledged that he has made many mistakes in the past so this work does have to be taken in that context.

Blind Following of Madhabs
taken from the work Al-Albaani Unveiled
with some editing.

Recently, I came across a book entitled: Blind Following of Madhhabs, by one of the late "Shaykh's" of the "Salafiyya", Muhammad Sultaan al-Ma'soomee al-Khajnadee; edited by one of al-Albani's foremost students (Saleem al-Hilaalee). In the above named book, al-Khajnadee tried his best to refute Taqleed, but in reality he failed quite miserably in his refutation of what he calls "Blind Following!" After reading this book of garbled interpretations, slanders, and even lies, I came to the conclusion that al-Khajnadee seemed to have been a confused and contradicting personality! Now, let me elaborate my claim by quoting and commenting on just a few selected pages from the actual book.

   It seems that the translation of the whole book was incomplete, since the editor, Abu Usaamah Saleem al-Hilaalee said on pg. iii, "I also noticed some places containing that which was superfluous, so I left it out." I wonder what these 'superfluous' statements were?

   On page ix of the above named book, it was written that al-Khajnadee met,

"Shaykh Muhammad Rasheed Ridaa. He helped with al-Manaar magazine (this was edited by the last named person), and bought all of its back issues and the works of Shaykh Muhammad Abdah and likewise what had been printed from the works of Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah and his student Ibn ul-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah."
From this last quote, those of us who have heard and read what the people of knowledge have said about the above named Shaykh's, will realize straight away that all four of them had corrupt Aqeedah on certain controversial points, like the attributes of Allah Subhana wa Ta'ala, as well as being famous for erring on many legal points of the Shari'ah!
 
   It is a well known fact that Muhammad Rashid Rida (d. 1935) and his teacher Muhammad Abduh (he was the Mufti of Egypt in his day, d. 1905) were both Freemasons, who strove to reinterpret the Shari'ah with their own whims and desires by claiming to "reform" Islam from "impurities", and this led to their call for the abandonment of Taqleed; hence the need for the abolishment of the four schools of Fiqh. These two enemies of Islam strove hard in their Freemasonic plot to "reform" Islam, but in reality they fought against Islam from within; this was realized by many scholars with in their day as well as after them by examining their "Fatwa's" and speeches. Hence, many a man of knowledge (e.g. Shaykh Muhammad Bakhit al-Muti'i - the grand Mufti of Egypt and one of the leading Hanafi scholars of his time, d. 1354/1935; Rahimahullah) exposed them for what they were, as well as warning the sincere believers to be on their guard from their "sweet poison" (refer to The Evolution of Fiqh, pg. 114, by A.A. Bilal Philips). Thus, it is not hard to realise that al-Khajnadee himself may have been strongly influenced by the above named Freemasons, after imbibing 'knowledge' from their sweet poisoned chalice!

1.   Saleem al-Hilaalee said on page 13, "For example, the Maalikees leave their arms at their side, during the Salaah and read Qunoot in Fajr, whereas we find Maalik-rahimahullaah-quotes in al-Muwatta; "Chapter: placing the two hands; one upon the other in Prayer... But the later Maalikees use as evidence that Maalik used to pray with his hands hanging at his side, this is ignorance with regard to the madhhab which they follow. Since Ja'far ibn Sulaymaan, the governor of al-Madeenah lashed the Imaam in the year 146H and stretched out his arms until his hands became dislocated and so he was not able to place his hands one over the other in Prayer...."

The above statement by al-Hilaalee claimed that those who follow the Maliki Madhhab only left their hands unfolded in Salah, since Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) had to leave his arms unfolded after being lashed!! He also claims that this is "ignorance with regard to the madhhab which they follow." But in reality, it is he who has fallen into the abyss of ignorance on this issue by 'blind' supposition! Although Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) related two Hadiths supporting the folding of the right hand on the left in Salah in his al-Muwatta, this does not mean that Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) himself always folded his hands in Salah. As you may have read in the section on "The Placing of Hands in Prayer", I quoted the most authoritative position of the Maliki madhhab, as well as what Imam Malik himself said about placing the hands in Salah. Here is the quote again for good measure; and for the displacement of ignorant claims: "In al- Mudawwanah (vol. 1, pg. 75-76), Imam Malik has been recorded to have said, 'Putting the right hand on the left in salah, I have no knowledge of it in the compulsory (Fard) prayer, it is thus disliked (Makrooh). But in the supererogatory (Nafl) prayer their is no harm (in folding the hands), it is left to the individual to decide.' Please ask yourselves who is ignorant, al-Hilaalee or the Maliki scholars?!

2.  Al-Khajnadee claimed on page 47, that the book al-Mudawwanah was by Imam Malik! In fact, as I have said on more than one occasion previously, al-Mudawwanah is the compilation of Qadi Sahnoon! It is strange how al-Hilaalee did not correct al-Khajnadee in his editorial footnotes; do they want us to accept their claims blindly?

3.   On page 22, al-Khajnadee quoted the well known Hadith from Irbaad ibn Saariyah (Allah be pleased with him) where the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) ordered us to, "Keep to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly-Guided Khulafaa, cling to that with your teeth." Thus it is incumbent to cling to the rightly guided Khulafaa; and they are Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali (may Allah be pleased with them all). But, as is the habit of men of his ilk, he contradicts himself by saying on the very next page: "Neither, Imaam Abu Haneefah or Maalik said, 'Keep to my saying' or 'Follow my madhhab', not even Abu Bakr or 'Umar-radiallaahu'anhum- rather they all forbade that." Thus, is he saying that we should not keep to the sayings of Abu Bakr or Umar (Allah be pleased with them) even though it is a command of the Prophet (Peace be upon him)?

   In fact al-Albani himself quoted two statements in Sifah Salah-an- Nabee, from Imams Abu Hanifah and Malik (Allah's mercy be upon them) which permitted Taqleed of their views, so long as they agreed with the Qur'an and Sunnah! On page ix Imam Abu Hanifah (Rahimahullah) has been quoted as saying, "When I say something contradicting the Book of Allah the Exalted or what is narrated from the Messenger (peace be upon him), then ignore my saying." Does this not mean that if any of Imam Abu Hanifah's Fatwa's does not contradict the Qur'an and the Sunnah, may be taken by way of Taqleed; after the research scholars within the Hanafi school had shown that it had a basis?

   Similarly, Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) was quoted by al-Albani to have said (see 'Sifah', pg. x): "Truly I am only a mortal: I make mistakes (sometimes) and I am correct (sometimes). Therefore, look into my opinions: all that agrees with the Sunnah, accept it; and all that does not agree with the Book and the Sunnah, ignore it." Again, Imam Malik has given us the right to take his opinions, so long as they agree with the Qur'an and Sunnah; Is this not in favour of Taqleed after the verifying scholars of the Maliki Madhhab proved which verdicts of Imam Malik were in harmony with the Shari'ah?

   Also, al-Albani quoted Imam al-Shafi'i (see 'Sifah', pg. xi) as saying; "If you find in my writings something different to the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), then speak on the basis of the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), and leave what I have said." Hence, whatever contradicts the authentic Sunnah in Imam al-Shafi'i's writings was carefully examined by the research scholars within the Shafi'i Madhhab. This means that whatever did not contradict the Sunnah in Shafi'i's writings may be taken by way of Taqleed; does it not?

4.   On page 33, al-Khajnadee said, "Taqleed in the Sharee'ah is referring back to someone's saying for which there is no proof and that is prohibited in the Sharee'ah. Ittibaa is that for which the proof is established. Taqleed in Allah's deen is not correct and ittiba is binding."

This statement shows that al-Khajnadee did not even know what the correct definition of Taqleed was! He has definitely confused the meanings of the two words Taqleed and Ittiba. As I had said at the beginning of this section, Taqleed is the acceptance of a Mujtahids fatwa for which the proof has been established! How could it ever be said that Taqleed is the referring back to a "saying for which there is no proof?" Surely, this is not Taqleed but the following of mere opinion. What al-Khajnadee said about Ittiba is in reality the true extent of Taqleed! So, please beware of this cunning deception my dear brothers and sisters.

5.   On page 37, al-Khajnadee made a blatantly false statement by saying nonsensically, "If you look into the matter carefully it will be clear to you that these madhhabs were spread, promoted and made attractive by the enemies of Islam in order to split the Muslims and cause discord amongst them. Or they were started by the ignorant in conformity with the Jews and Christians and in imitation of them, as they do in many matters."

By Allah, this is a grave calumniation, a highly nefarious aspersion and a blatant misrepresentation of historical facts! Only one who lacks a speck of analytical deduction and investigation into historical facts could say such a crass thing! In reality, these madhhabs were spread by the founders of these very schools, and especially by those amongst their disciples, and then those who succeeded them.... So that eventually a full chain of transmission (Isnad) was built up and recorded by the succeeding scholars in their works, just as in the science of Hadith. Even today, some scholars have an unbroken chain going back to the scholars of Hadith and Fiqh of the first generations of Islam!

   The great scholar of Islam, Qadi Iyad (d. 544/1149 Rahimahullah), has quite beautifully and eloquently explained how the Madhhabs arose, and why one should make Taqleed of them. He said: "This Ijtihad and the handing down of rules and Shari'ah, on the basis of it-there are very few, very few who have the capacity. Indeed they are fewer than the few after the first generation (of Muslims), the upright Salihun, and the first three praiseworthy generations. Now since this is the nature of the matter, any human being burdened with the moral responsibility to obey Allah, but not having attained the status of being able to know the Shari'ah, on his own, is necessarily required to get that knowledge from someone else.

   He must take the knowledge of every act of worship he has been commanded to do-every application of the Shari'ah that has been made responsible for him to perform directly, from that man who can give it to him straight from the source and who will make him know exactly what to do. That man must be the staff by which he stands in his own transmission to others, in the knowledge he acquires, and in the Shari'ah parameters by which he lives. This is Taqleed. And this is precisely the position of the ordinary people, indeed the vast majority of all people. Since this is the case, what is required of you is that in all such matters, you do Taqleed of the 'alim in whom you have complete trust. If such Ulama are many, then follow that one who is most knowledgeable. This is the portion of Ijtihad which falls to the lot of the Muqallid with regard to his deen. And it is not fitting that the Muqallid should abandon the most knowledgeable (Mujtahidun) in favour of someone else, even though that other person is also busy with knowledge. The Muqallid must therefore ask at that time about those things which he does not know until he has knowledge of them, just as Allah, Glory be to Him, has said, 'Then ask the people of Remembrance if you do not know.' (Holy Qur'an 16:43 and 21:7)

   And the one upon whom we ask Allah's blessings and peace commanded the Khalifs after him and his Companions be emulated. The one upon whom we ask blessings and peace also sent his Companions out among the people to give them understanding in the deen, to teach them what had been made incumbent on them, and Allah urged on the entirety of them to go out, 'From every group among you let there be a group who will develop understanding of the deen and who will give warning to their people when they return to them.'

   Now since this matter is something necessary, and there is no way around it, and since they who most deserve to be followed by the uniformed ordinary man, the beginner, who has taken it on himself to worship, or the student seeking right guidance and knowledge of Fiqh in the deen of Allah, and those who have the greatest right to be followed are the Fuqaha of the Sahaba of Rasulullah (Peace be upon him), they are those who took their knowledge directly from him, who knew the circumstances of the Revelation, of the commands and prohibitions, the various prophecies, of the different aspects of the Shari'ah, the exact pronunciation of the Prophet's words, may Allah bless him and give him peace, who themselves witnessed the accompanying circumstances of these ayats, who spoke to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and give him peace, directly, about most of it, who asked him about it despite the extensive knowledge from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) which they themselves already had, and their knowledge of the meanings of Arabic speech, the illumination of their hearts, and the openness and receptivity of their hearts, such that they were, without the least contention, the most knowledgeable of Imams, and they were those of the Imams most worthy of being followed by Taqleed.

   Nevertheless, they only spoke about a few of the problematic events that happened among them, and large numbers of answers to Shari'ah questions did not branch out from them in detail. They did not speak about the Shari'ah, except with regard to the basic teachings, and certain things that actually happened. Most of their pre-occupation was with the putting into practise of what they knew and the active defence of the entire deen, the laying down of the firm foundation of the Shari'ah of the Muslims. There was among them a degree of difference of opinion in some of the things which they discussed which could keep the Muqallid in a perpetual state of confusion, and require of him the kind of reflection and review for which he is not yet prepared. And indeed the full elaboration of questions, resolving of problems, and setting out the discussions, only came about in response to those matters, the appearance of which had been anticipated after the Sahaba were gone.

   Consequently, the Tabi'in, the Followers (like Imam's Abu Hanifah, an-Nakhai, Hammad, al-Zuhri, Hasan al-Basri, Sha'bi...), came and reflected on the differences of opinions of the Companions, and built on the foundations which they had laid down. Then after them came the Ulama from among the Followers of the Followers (like Imam's Malik, Shafi'i, Ibn Hanbal, Dawood al-Zahiri...). By that time, the occurrences which had happened already became many and the problematic events had already occurred, while Fatwas regarding all of this had branched out into many details. Therefore they gathered together the opinion of them all, and they committed their Fiqh to memory.

   They sought out differences of opinion of the earlier generations as well as their areas of agreement, but they were cautious about the matter of this disagreement spreading and of its getting out of control. Therefore they did Ijtihad regarding all these parts of the Sunnah, and of the precise articulation of fundamental principles. They asked questions and they got answers. They built up the foundations of the basic precepts and they made accessible the basic principles. Upon them were delineated the solutions to problems and events and they were put down in writing for the people, and organised. Each of them worked on the basis of the inspiration he was given and the accomplishment to which Allah had guided them. So they became the ultimate in the science of Usool and of the specific details of the Shari'ah in the matters of agreement and disagreement. And on the basis of this knowledge which had come to them, they made Qiyas, analogy, according to the indications, and the similarities that they had got. May Allah be pleased with all of them and may He give them the full extent of the reward of their Ijtihad.

   Therefore it is an individual obligation that falls on the ordinary Muqallid and the student of knowledge in his beginning stages, to take recourse in his Taqleed to these great men, or the explicit texts regarding the problems and events that befall him. Recourse must be had to them regarding all of these matters which are problematic because of the fact that they were immersed in knowledge of the Shari'ah and it literally revolved around them. They alone have precise understanding of the schools, of who had gone before, and the earlier generations, and that knowledge is enough for all who have come after them in later generations. Nevertheless, it is simply not possible that all of these earlier Fuqaha can be simultaneous objects of Taqleed regarding the most difficult problems and the majority of questions, because of their differences among themselves caused by conflicting opinions about the fundamental principles upon which they built. Moreover, it is not valid for the Muqallid to do Taqleed of any among them merely on the basis of personal whim, or chance that he has come upon a decision on the basis of what he happened to find the people of his region doing, or his family doing (and this is quite common today; is it not?)

   Again therefore, the portion of Ijtihad that falls to his lot in this case, is that he seek to discover by reflection which of them was the most knowledgeable, and come to know which of them is most worthy of being an object of Taqleed from among all of them, so that in his practise and his Fatwas, the ordinary man can trust him and rely on him and trust that in his acts of worship, he had taken on himself only what the Mujtahid had and discerned as correct. The ordinary man therefore must give to the most knowledgeable (scholars) among the adherents to the schools of these earlier Fuqaha, the status which by right, he deserves. It is not permissible for him that he go beyond them in his seeking of Fatwas to one who does not follow the opinion of his school (NB-There are certain conditions which need to be fulfilled before one can take opinions from other schools, these principles have been explained by scholars like Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami). For as some of the Shaykhs have said, 'The Imam is with regard to one who adheres to his school, to his way, like the Prophet, may Allah bless him and give him peace, is with regard to his Ummah.' It is not permissible for him to go against his Imam (unless one has become a Mujtahid within the school or in specific issues). This has been expressed quite correctly, and the correct way will become clear to those who have insight, and eyes with which to see, on the basis of what we have elaborated and the stipulations we have laid down." (quoted from Root Islamic Education, pp. 82-7, by Shaykh Abdalqadir al-Murabit ).

   So please ask yourselves, "Were these great scholars the enemies of Islam (Allah forbid), who imitated the ways of corrupt Christians and Jews?" I say, never could these madhhabs have ever existed if the well known scholars did not spread them; is this not the basic and fundamental truth?

   One of the most well known scholars of Hadith in our time, Shaykh Shu'ayb al-Arnaoot (b. 1928 in Albania, presently residing in Amman, Jordan), said with regard to Taqleed and the founders of the madhhabs:

They are explainers, not popes; but in each of their schools there afterwards followed a hundred or more scholars who refined and added to their work, men whose stature in Islamic knowledge was like mountains, any one of whom could put fifteen of the scholars available today in his pocket."
6.   Another imbecilic statement was made by al-Khajnadee on page 56, where he said, "They have taken a path opposite to that of the people of knowledge, their late-comers have inverted the way of the Salaf and turned the foundations of the Deen upside down. So they declare the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Messenger (Peace be upon him), the sayings of his Khulafaa and the rest of the Companions-radiallaahu 'anhum-to be false."

Again, he made a wicked declaration by claiming that the followers of these madhhabs declared the, "Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace be upon him), the sayings of his Khulafaa and the rest of the Companions-radiallahu 'anhum-TO BE FALSE." I ask you which scholar within the four madhhabs, let alone the 'blind followers' declared it "To be false?" Would it not be true, that if one declared the above sources to be "false" he or she may automatically go out of the fold of Islam (especially the first two sources), let alone be a follower of a Madhhab (and only Allah knows best)? How could the 'blind followers' declare something to be false, when the great scholars have said that it is impermissible to take the "Ijtihad" of non-Mujtahid's as documentary proof? May Allah guide the people who believe in what al-Khajnadee proclaimed!

   There are many other vile statements made by al-Khajnadee in his above named book, but this is not the time and place to outline them in detail; rather a well grounded scholar could easily refute his nonsensical slanders and lies by way of logical proofs from the sources of the Shari'ah. This book of his was meant to be "sound" advice for some prospective Japanese converts to Islam. It seems al- Khajnadee wanted his Japanese readers (not to mention the generality of the Muslim readership) to accept everything he said "blindly" and without research; thus he may not have been advising the Japanese questioners, but instead confusing them even more deeply by not explaining the meanings of many of the statements and their ramifications, let alone the Shari'ah terminology he had used! Besides that, he as well as his friend al-Albani (in his 'Sifah Salah an-Nabee'), failed to tell their readers that nearly every scholar they quoted from were the adherents of one of the four existing schools! This is a great trick of the most knowledgeable of "Salafi" scholars; they seem to deceive themselves as well as their readers when it comes to proclaiming this undeniable fact!

   Rather, al-Khajnadee and al-Albani should have tried to disprove the evidences used by the scholars within the Madhhabs (from the Qur'an, Sunnah and even the Ijma), which documents and allows Taqleed to all non-Mujtahids! The following is a list of some of the scholars quoted by al-Albani and al-Khajnadee in their books, and the Madhhab they were in:

THE HANAFI SCHOLARS

Imam Ibn Abidin (d. 1252/1836; al-A'lam, 6.42 [viii,15,22]), Hafiz Ibn al-Humam (d. 861/1457; al-A'lam, 6.255 [viii,22,32]), Imam Ibn al-Shahnah al-Kabeer [viii], Imam Zufar (d. 158 AH [viii]), Imam Abu Yusoof (d. 182/798; al-A'lam, 8.193 [viii,14]), Imam Muhammad al- Shaybani (d. 189/804; al-A'lam, 6.80 [ix,14]), Imam al-Tahawi (d. 321 AH, [5]), Imam ibn Abi al-Izz al-Hanafi [17], Imam ibn Nujaim al- Misri (d. 970 AH [34]), Shaykh Ali al-Qari (d. 1014/1606; al-A'lam, 5.12 [35]), Shaykh Abd al-Haqq Dehlawi (d. 1052 AH [36]), Allamah Abdal Hayy al-Lucknawi (d. 1304 AH; also known as Abul Hasanat [ix]), Shaykh Abul Hasan as-Sindee al-Hanafi [5], Shaykh Aafiyyah ibn Yazeed [viii].

THE MALIKI SCHOLARS

Hafiz Ibn Abd al-Barr (d. 463/1071; al-A'lam, 8.240 [x,5]), Imam Ibn Wahb (d. 197/812 [x]), Imam Abdullah ibn Abee Zaid al-Qairwanee al-Maliki (d. 389 AH [16]).

THE SHAFI'I SCHOLARS

Imam al-Bayhaqi (d. 458/1066; al-A'lam, 1.116 [xi,6]), Shaykh Abu Yusoof al-Buweeti [xii], Shaykh Abul Qasim ad-Daariki [xii], Hafiz Ibn as-Salah (d. 643/1245; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 8.326 [xii]), Imam Taqi ad-Deen al-Subki (d. 756/1355; al-Fatawa al-Hadithiyya, 114 [xii,14]), Imam Abu Nu'aym (d. 430/1038; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 4.18 [xii,52]), Imam al-Bukhari (d. 256/870; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 2.212-14 [6]), Imam Muslim (d. 261/875; Siyar a'lam al-nubala, 12.557-61 [6]), Imam Abu Dawood (d. 275/889; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 2.293 [xiii,14]), Imam Nisai (d. 309/915; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 3.14-16 [6]), Imam Tirmidhi (d. 279/892; Siyar a'lam, 13.270-73 [6]), Imam ibn Majah (d. 209/824; al- A'lam, 7.144 [6]), Imam al-Suyuti (d. 911/1505; al-A'lam, 3.301-2 [5]), Hafiz Ibn Khuzaymah (d. 311/924; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 3.109 [16]), Imam ash-Sha'rani (d. 973/1565; al-A'lam, 4.180-1 [viii,35]), Imam Hakim (d. 405/1014; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 4.155 [xi,39]), Imam ibn Asakir (d. 571 AH [xi]), Hafiz Khateeb al-Baghdadi (d. 463/1072; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 4.29 [xi,52]), Hafiz al-Dhahabi (d. 748/1348; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 9.100 [18]), Hafiz al-Iraqi (d. 806/1404; al-A'lam, 3.344 [18]), Imam al-Tabarani (d. 360/971; Siyar a'lam, 16.119-23 [18]), Imam al-Izz ibn Abdas Salam (d. 660/1262; al-A'lam, 4.21 [27]), Imam ibn Hibban (d. 354/965; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 3.131 [39]), Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852/1449; al-A'lam, 1.178 [39]), Hafiz al- Haythami (d. 807/1405; al-A'lam, 4.266 [40]), Imam al-Haramayn (d. 478/1085; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 5.165 [41]), Imam Abul Qasim al- Qushayri (d. 465/1072; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 5.153 [50]), Imam al-Razi (d. 606/1210; Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya, 8.81-89 [59]), Imam al-Baghawi (d. 510/1117; al-A'lam, 2.259 [59]), Imam Abu Shamah (d. 665 AH [78]), Imam al-Nawawi (d. 676/1277; al-A'lam, 8.149 [xi,15]).

THE HANBALI SCHOLARS

Hafiz ibn Taymiyya (d. 728/1328; al-A'lam, 1.144 [30]), Hafiz ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah (d. 751/1350; Siyar a'lam, 7.202 [xiii,42]), Hafiz ibn al-Jawzi (d. 508/1114; al-A'lam, 3.316 [xii,53]), Hafiz ibn Rajab al-Hanbali (d. 795/1393, [xiv]).

NB- The contents in the brackets (after the names of the above scholars), stand for the following abbreviations:-

(i) 'd.'- the year of the scholars death, usually in Hijri and Christian dates.

(ii) 'al-A'lam'- This is a well known biographical dictionary by Khayr al-Deen al-Zirikly (see bibliography for full details).

(iii) 'Tabaqat al-Shafi'iya'- This is a very well known dictionary listing all the famous Shafi'i scholars uptill the death of its author-Imam Taj al-Deen al-Subki (rahimahullah).

(iv) 'Siyar a'lam al-nubala'- This is a biographical dictionary by the famous scholar of Hadith-al-Hafiz Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Dhahabi (rahimahullah).

(v) 'al-Fatawa al-Hadithiyya'- This is a well known collection by the great scholar of Islam-Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami (rahimahullah).

(vi) Whatever appears in square brackets- [ ], refers to the page number in al-Albani's 'Sifah Salah an-Nabee' (only in roman numerals) and al-Khajnadee's 'Blind Following of Madhhabs.'

   So now my dear reader, you should be asking yourselves the simple question: "Why did the above named scholars adhere to one of the four schools, but today people like al-Albani etc; are calling for the abandonment of the Taqleed of the four schools?" Even two of the most prominent Imams of the neo-"Salafiyya", Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn al-Qayyim were Hanbali in Fiqh (but their Aqeedah has been questioned by many scholars). One may have also noticed that not one of the 6 main Imams of Hadith (al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi, an-Nisai and Ibn Majah) were out of the four schools; and this fact may astonish the so called "Salafiyya" who claim to be on the path of the scholars of Hadith! If this fact seems unconvincing to the lay reader, then one should read their biographies in the above named dictionaries, or their actual books! Thus, without even writing a refutation against the likes of al-Albani and al-Khajnadee, the above named scholars (not to mention thousands of other scholars) stand as a witness against their false claims on the Islamic concept of Taqleed. The "Salafiyya" claim to be on the path of the scholars of Hadith; but I ask you, who were the scholars of Hadith? The answer to this question may be found in their biographies; but just for the record, one should never forget that the vast majority of the scholars of Hadith were usually in one of the four schools of Fiqh after their founding; and this may be called the way of the traditional and classical scholars, indifference to the modern day "Salafiyya". I ask you now, what is there to stop one from adhering to one of the four schools, when so many great scholars did so?

   Al-Albani and many of the other "Salafiyya" (modern-day Khawarij) "Shaykhs" try to refute Taqleed by quoting statements coming directly from the four Imams themselves, which apparently 'forbid' Taqleed of their Fatwa's! In fact the scholars have explained each one of these apparently Taqleed forbidding statements quite explicitly. The bottom line of these statements has lead the scholars to conclude, that these statements refer to the forbiddance of one Mujtahid taking the Ijtihad of another Mujtahid without knowing his documentary evidence (refer to the previous pages for some statements on this issue); but not the forbiddance of non-Mujtahids taking the Ijtihads of the Mujtahids, and this is precisely Taqleed of the allowable type. If Allah wills, the true meanings of these statements may be collated and annotated by way of reference to the classical scholars of Islam; instead of receiving garbled and incontextual quotations from the four Mujtahids (Allah's mercy be upon them) by the likes of al-Albani.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.



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Posted By: Hamzah
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 6:19pm
Bismillah
Assalam alaikum wa Rahmatullah
Jazak Allah khair brother for your post
As you mentioned Allah subhanu wa tala said in the Holy Quran :'Then ask the people of Remembrance if you do not know.'
Personally when i am in need of a certain fatwa in a particular subject i go back to the Four scholars (they all basically stem from the same sources) then i follow what my heart and mind accepts and not what is easier to follow, so i don't stick to one Madhab but i do regard all four as shining lights to understand our faith, may Allah have mercy on them all, Ameen.


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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 8:53pm
OMG Brother
I discovered that khateeb and director of our mosque is Albaani's student!
What do we do now?


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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 9:28pm
Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

Sign Reader,

That all depends on you and what you decide to follow your responsible for your self on the day of judgment no one else. The only people a muslim is not allowed to pray behind are shia becouse many of them [not all] have bad aqeedah and heretical beliefs. There is also no need for such an over the top reaction no one claimed Albani was the devil incarnite and if you look his students in the face you will turn to stone, the uluma do not comment on the personality of the shaykh but what they teach so you too should learn to seperate the two and not take things personally.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 21 September 2008 at 11:09pm
Assalamu alaikum.
Congratulations for your analysis. Our problem is we (Muslims) talk too much and do nothing to correct our mistakes. We do not have choice in Islam. It is an organic whole, but we fractionalize it. This is wrong and unaccepted.  Muslims are not ready to follow the Sunna and the advice of the Sahabas. When we want to talk on an issue we do not follow any rule and regulation. For example, since we know that no Sahaba or their immediate followers ever belied what they were told was from the holy Prophet, but only to make the one swear that it was a true statement from the holy Prophet, we should adopt their method in respecting the statements of the holy Prophet. Moreover, we should know that you get reward on your actions and not necessary what you say. Let us remember the saying of Ali ibn Abi Talib: If there is an argument over an issue, it should be brought to the "Imam allazi istaqdahum' i.e. Khalifa. We do not have a Khalifa i.e. an authority to punish one according to the Sunna and to straighten conflicts.  Mazhaba and Taqleed are not our priorities now, for if we have understood their according to their usage in the Qur 'an, we could have by known a central authority, a Khalifa leading in all the five dily prayers, thereby not separating Mosque from State. Taqleed can be positive or negative. We are all Muqalladin because our symbol is the Shahada and a shining forehead. Our Mazhaba is that of prophet Ibrahim (AS) in 37:99. Let us understand what the 4 Imams did: they did not say that we shall not establish the khalifate acording to the Sunna of Muhammad Rasulullah and the methods the Sahabas used in selecting a leader for the Muslim Umma. But we are selecting our leaders on inheritance basis. They never said that one should not read and undersand how Islam propagated. Probably we have more literature about islam today at our disposal than during their time. Finally, we should respect Imam Malik for he said he was reporting on the actions of the people of Madina during his time (93-179) and not 1-40 A.H. Therefore whatever he said should be cross-checked with what was the practice during that golden period. We have the records of life during the umayyad and Abbasyds empires. What type of leader do we need today, other than Hajjaj bin Yusuf or Umar bin Abdu'aziz to discipline those crating divisions in Islam?
Friendship.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 29 November 2008 at 3:33am
Originally posted by Friendship



Assalamu alaikum.
...............But we are selecting our leaders on inheritance basis........


Who is we?

You cannot include me because in the country where I live our religious leaders are Imaams who are qualified 'alims and not selected on inheritance basis. But all of them are inheritors of the Prophet because Rasoolullah Sallalahu alaihi wasallam himself has declared that the Ulema are inheritors of Prophets.

As for political leadership, we are a religeous minority and so some of us are elected to the Parliament and assemblies by the ctizens in a general election on secret ballot.



Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 5:15am
Assalamu alaikum.

Brother Abosait.

How I wished you have you read what Islamic scholars wrote on leadership and the qualifications required of them and what they are required to do. Please try to look for the book, "Al.Nizzamul Hukm fil Islam by Dr. Musa Yusuf' and read what he wrote. You will then understand what Islam stipulated on leadership. 
My advise is always ensure you know the subject matter before you say something on it. The subject matter is Leadership in Islam. What you commented is on Imam Sugra and not on Imam Kubra. Imam Sugra may not be part of Ahlal hal wal aqad. Imam Kubra is the leader of Ahlal hal wal aqad. He must be functioning as Imam Sugra.
Friendship. 



Originally posted by Friendship





Who is we?

You cannot include me because in the country where I live our religious leaders are Imaams who are qualified 'alims and not selected on inheritance basis. But all of them are inheritors of the Prophet because Rasoolullah Sallalahu alaihi wasallam himself has declared that the Ulema are inheritors of Prophets.

As for political leadership, we are a religeous minority and so some of us are elected to the Parliament and assemblies by the ctizens in a general election on secret ballot.




Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 23 December 2008 at 7:28am
Originally posted by Friendship

* Imam Sugra may not be part of Ahlal hal wal aqad
* Imam Kubra is the leader of Ahlal hal wal aqad.

1. What is "Ahlal hal wal aqad".
2. When you are writing in English please use appropriate words in English for the not so common words from other languages.
3. Sugra and Kubra you have explained (what you mean by it) in another post. Thank you for the same though I have not come across such terms with respect to Imam in Islam.



Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 24 December 2008 at 2:35pm
Assalamu alaikum.

Abosait posted:
What is "Ahlal hal wal aqad".

Response: Is term used in explaining that group of Muslims in the Umma responsible for mantaining, explaining and executing the Shari'a as taught, practiced by the holy Apostle and his rightly guided Sahabas inch by inch and measure by measure. Try to learn Arabic if you want fully understand Islam and the Shari'a. On many occasions even if one translates, the true meaning is not grasped. Imagine what angel Gabriel did to Muhammad at the beginning of the rev
elation. How secured do you feel not to learn Arabic?
Friendship.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 24 December 2008 at 7:38pm
Wa alaikum assalam wa Rahmatullah.
Friendship, you wrote among other things,

Originally posted by Friendship


  • Imam Sugra may not be part of Ahlal hal wal aqad.
  • Imam Kubra is the leader of Ahlal hal wal aqad.
  • He must be functioning as Imam Sugra.
And in reply to my querry on the meaning of "Ahlal hal wal aqad" you wrote,
Originally posted by Friendship

("Ahlal hal wal aqad") Is term used in explaining that group of Muslims in the Umma responsible for mantaining, explaining and executing the Shari'a.........

and in that context you adviced me:
Originally posted by Friendship

learn Arabic if you want fully understand Islam"

The sources from where one can "understand Islam" are the Qur'an and the Sunnah and both of these are in Arabic.

Please therefore quote from the Qur'an/hadith where that "Arabic term"("Ahlal hal wal aqad") appears.



Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 20 January 2009 at 7:03am
Originally posted by rami

............Imam Abu Hanifah (Rahimahullah) has been quoted as saying,
"When I say something contradicting the Book of Allah the Exalted or what is narrated from the Messenger (peace be upon him), then ignore my saying."
Does this not mean that if any of Imam Abu Hanifah's Fatwa's does not contradict the Qur'an and the Sunnah, may be taken by way of Taqleed.........
rami, Was that a joke or are you serious?

The topic heading is blind taqleed and not mere taqleed. Please try to understand the difference between the two.

Let me explain. Take the case of the 'Hanafis' or 'Ahnaaf' as they call themselves. The fatwas given by any of the several students and grand students of Imam Abuhanifah --- or by anyone who calls himself a 'Hanafi Ulama' --- is accepted for blind following even if  they are in conflict  with what has been proved  true from the Qur'an and Sunnah.



Posted By: Honzo
Date Posted: 20 January 2009 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by abosait

rami, Was that a joke or are you serious?

The topic heading is blind taqleed and not mere taqleed. Please try to understand the difference between the two.

Let me explain. Take the case of the 'Hanafis' or 'Ahnaaf' as they call themselves. The fatwas given by any of the several students and grand students of Imam Abuhanifah --- or by anyone who calls himself a 'Hanafi Ulama' --- is accepted for blind following even if  they are in conflict  with what has been proved  true from the Qur'an and Sunnah.




Now u r making some serious allegations against scholars, i hope u hv proof to back up ur claims.


Kindly show us the proof were ulema of hanaf has gone against Quran and Hadith.

There is a serious punishment for false allegations in this world and in hereafter.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 21 January 2009 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by Honzo

.....Kindly show us the proof were ulema of hanaf has gone against Quran and Hadith.......
Example1.,,Making up for missed salat...Read the view of the Hanafi Scholar Mohammad Yusuf Islahi in this link
http://islamicvoice.com/July2006/Fiqh/?PHPSESSID=...

Please compare that with the explanation from Qur'an and Sunnah shown in the following link: http://makkah.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/missing-prayers-at-work/


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 2:28am
Assalamu alaikum.


Abosait posting: http://72.14.235.132 search?q=cache:aARtmBV8O2kJ:makkah.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/missing-prayers-at-work/+missed+prayers+islamic+voice&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=in&client=firefox-a.

Response: I find it difficulty to understand you and how you perceive the Sunna. Now that reference contained the understanding of Ibn Hazm of Andalusia (Spain) and immediately I saw the name I did not read the Fatwa. I hope you know his nickname- 'The sword of the holy Apostle'. Now most of my comments are based on his fatwa, that of Ibn Taymiyya, Shaukani, Al-Jawziyya, Shatibi and yet you do do not understand?. Now tell me in the write ups of Ibn Hazm where he agreed with the manner the Muslims are observing (saying) the Friday prayer today? Probably as I guessed you do not read any book from page to page. You just read a sentence and then stop. You will never understand the Sunna unless you read an arguement from A-Z as a subject matter. According to Ibn Taymiyya's comment on Salat, it is impossible for one to be unable to say his prayers within its span of time of usually 3 hours.  Yes today a surgeon performing delicate operations that could last for about 16 hours or so could be affected. But even so, he must have an assistance who could take over from him for the not more than 20 minutes to perform a prayer. If prayer is allowed to be delayed why should Allah prescribe the battlefield prayer? Do you know the difference betwen Qadaa and Adaa?
Now with regard to Imam Abu Hanifa, all what people are saying about him is false. He never said that the Sunna of the holy Apostle is subject to Fatwa. The Sunna is an Iron-Law: 'Take it or leave it'. He died before completing his exercise on Ijtihad. His most popular and well respected student was Qadi Yusuf who disagreed with him on many issues. He compiled his works on, "Kitabul Kharaj". He never mentioned Abu Hanifa in his treatise. Get hold of that book and read it. it is available in Arabic and English, but preferrably read the Arabic version.
Friendship.
 


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 22 January 2009 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by Friendship

..........I saw the name (of Ibn Hazm/-- 'The sword of the holy Apostle'-)...I did not read the Fatwa.. ...Now tell me.... where he agreed with .....
Read the Fatwa first and then ask if there are any doubts.
Originally posted by Friendship

.......... Yes today a surgeon performing delicate operations that could last for about 16 hours or so could be affected. But even so, he must have an assistance who could take over from him......
Irrelevant matter.


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 1:54pm
Assalamu alaikum.

abosait posted: Read the Fatwa first and then ask if there are any doubts.

Response: It is you who should read IBn Hazams book Al-Ihkam fi Usulul Ahkam vols 1-2 to understand properly the argument and not just to read what is translated that is short of Islamic juristic definitions and explanations. Thats why you always fall into confusion. I do not read the english translation because I have the Arabic version.
Originally posted by Friendship

.......... Yes today a surgeon performing delicate operations that could last for about 16 hours or so could be affected. But even so, he must have an assistance who could take over from him......
Irrelevant matter.

Response: I am talking from practical experience. As a practising gneral surgeon, we hardly have problem is doing our prayers in time except in some emergencies close to Magrib. Today a Muslim surgeon doing open heart surgery or separating conjoint twins etc, may be unable to perform his prayer in time. This is what I am referring to. Read Majmu'ul fatawa by Ibn taymiyya vol 22 to understand properly what is required on what you just mentioned. Please stop making fatwa if you do not read the original Arabic texts because you are confusion people. Take time! If you die you will be asked by Allah on whatever statement you make. Yes, I know truth is bitter! Please what is your profession if you will not mind my question.
Frienship.




Posted By: Talib_Asadullah
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 8:17pm
Assalamu Alaikum

I dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith.


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Posted By: Honzo
Date Posted: 23 January 2009 at 8:56pm
Originally posted by abosait

Originally posted by Honzo

.....Kindly show us the proof were ulema of hanaf has gone against Quran and Hadith.......
Example1.,,Making up for missed salat...Read the view of the Hanafi Scholar Mohammad Yusuf Islahi in this link
http://islamicvoice.com/July2006/Fiqh/?PHPSESSID=...

Please compare that with the explanation from Qur'an and Sunnah shown in the following link: http://makkah.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/missing-prayers-at-work/



It was typical salafi argument, denying qiyas and taking literal meaning of Quran and Hadith, this time quoting Dahiris .

Whether Ibn Hazm was mujtahid or not, tht itself is debateable let alone accepting his verdict.

pls refer,


http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/masudq4.htm - Are the Hanbali Mujtahid Imams Dhahiri and Ibn Hazm considered Ahl al-Sunna?


Many scholars of past and present consider him to be innovator,


http://www.sunnah.org/history/Innovators/ibn_hazm.htm - Ibn Hazm - Innovator

Pls make sure from where u r taking ur knowledge from, science of fiqh is very vast and complicated and scholars hv taken ages to learn and perfect the art.
I would recommend u to learn beginners book on usul-ul-fiqh .


Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 2:49am
Originally posted by Hamzah

i do regard all four as shining lights to understand our faith, may Allah have mercy on them all, Ameen.
Wa Alaikum As Salam Hamza.Mashallah'(Ameen)I find myself doing the same at times even though I follow Shafi'i teachings.


Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 3:08am
Originally posted by Talib_Asadullah

Assalamu AlaikumI dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith.
As Salaamu Alaikum Brother Talib_Asadullah.As long as you are learning from a reliable source dont sweat it.Example The Maliki Madhab make salat with there hands to there side some others have theres below there navel its a difference, does this makes them wrong?and there prayer not count only Allah Knows.Although its always good to have a teacher you cant just pick up a medical book learn it yourself and then call yourself a doctor(get it?)


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 3:35am
Assalamu alaikum.

Asadullah posted: dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith.
  Response: You are 101% correct. Those who talk of Madhhabas and believe in that concept are the Muslims who who not walk along the independence and the right Allah gave each and everyone of us to seek knowledge and learn directly from Muhammad Rasulullah. They equate Islamic knowldge like learning the natural sciences - Newtons law of motion, Boyles law, Faraday law of electrolysis, Achimedes principle, Quantum theory etc. No one will ever produce a book written by Abu Hanifa, Muwatta is not a hadith book, much of what the Muslims are quoting from Shafii is not available in his Risala written at the request of Abdurrahman. Imam Ahmad's Musnad was compiled finally by his son Ahmad. When a Muslim  scholar quotes from them, he does not mention the chain of transmission! But if one quotes a hadith with its chain of transmission they say tha hadith is weak? Is this not absurd? Now, what is a Muslim supposed to do? To invent a new way of life (Shari'a) or to follow the way of Muhammad? What is the position of a Muslim writer who wrote on what he knew of the life history of Muhammad? Who can write on everything that Muhammad did for 10 years?
Friendship.

 



Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 4:56am
Originally posted by Friendship

Assalamu alaikum.Asadullah posted:
dont follow a madhab. Im I wrong for this? I dont see the need to
follow one when the source that all the 4 Imams drew from was the Holy
Qur'an and Ahadith.

   
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Response: You are 101% correct. Those who talk of Madhhabas and believe in that concept are the Muslims who who not walk along the independence and the right Allah gave each and everyone of us to seek knowledge and learn directly from Muhammad Rasulullah. They equate Islamic knowldge like learning the natural sciences - Newtons law of motion, Boyles law, Faraday law of electrolysis, Achimedes principle, Quantum theory etc. No one will ever produce a book written by Abu Hanifa, Muwatta is not a hadith book, much of what the Muslims are quoting from Shafii is not available in his Risala written at the request of Abdurrahman. Imam Ahmad's Musnad was compiled finally by his son Ahmad. When a Muslim  scholar quotes from them, he does not mention the chain of transmission! But if one quotes a hadith with its chain of transmission they say tha hadith is weak? Is this not absurd? Now, what is a Muslim supposed to do? To invent a new way of life (Shari'a) or to follow the way of Muhammad? What is the position of a Muslim writer who wrote on what he knew of the life history of Muhammad? Who can write on everything that Muhammad did for 10 years?Friendship. <table ="tableBorder" style="table-layout: fixed;" align="center" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><t><tr ="msgableRow"><tr ="msgableRow"><td ="msgLineDevider" style="height: 150px;" valign="top"></td></tr></tr></t></table>
As Salaamu Alaikum Friendship.Some of our brothers and sisters do not follow any Madhabs.Let me pose a question to you when you pray at Jummah do you preform salat the same as your Imam do it?If you dont it could be looked at as fitna.Do you see were im going even your Imam had to learn from someone who learn from someone else and these are our teachers right?


Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 5:12am
Originally posted by Friend Now, what is a Muslim supposed to do? To invent a new way of life (Shari'a) or to follow the way of Muhammad?
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As Salaamu Alaikum Friendship.Please try to refame from giving bad information.Now do you mean Shariah(Islamic Law)?What makes a H
As Salaamu Alaikum Friendship.Please try to refame from giving bad information.Now do you mean Shariah(Islamic Law)?What makes a Hadith weak is its source.


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 6:22am
Assalamu alaikum.

Honzo posted: Many scholars of past and present consider him to be innovator, http://www.sunnah.org/history/Innovators/ibn_hazm.htm - Ibn Hazm - Innovator:

Response: That was their saying. But I do not agree with them. Ibn Hazm, known as Abi Muhammmad Aliyu Ibn Ahmad ibn Saeed Ibn Hazm Zahiri (384-452) is not an innovator. It was probably the followers of those scholars who disagreed with that called him an innovator. I possess three books written by him - Ihkam fi usul ahkam, fissal, and Muratibul Ijma'a  fil Ibadat wal Mu'aamilaat wal mu'taqidaat. Muhammad Zuhra also wrote on his life history. I prefer we judge people on what they wrote and not what one said about them. We differed in our depth of understanding injunctions on Mu'aamalat, Taqdir, and other Attributes of Allah. It is unfair to criticize one on what one does not understand. I do not understand how the sun will rise from the West and Set on the East. I should not be called a Kafir since no one will explain to me the phenomenon. Rising the sun from the West and setting on the East will be the day or moment I die! Ibn Hazm's istinbati is on standing by the Sunna of the holy Prophet and does not even agree on changing the lafz (words) spoken by the holy Prophet. He was praised by his contempoaraires as, "The tongue of Ibn Hazm and the sword of Hajj ibn Yusuf are similar".

2. Pls make sure from where u r taking ur knowledge from, science of fiqh is very vast and complicated and scholars hv taken ages to learn and perfect the art.
I would recommend u to learn beginners book on usul-ul-fiqh .

Response: I hope the members of this forum will agree with you and start learning from the Books of Fiqh. Some of them take this forum for sport and amusement! Let them learn from what Asmaii said about Khaliil, "I attended the class for learning Arabic grammar for one year listening. In the second year I started reviewing what I learnt in the first year. In the third year I started Tadabbur (in depth analysis and cross examination). In the fourth year I then started asking questions and debating". Please kindly advise the forum on some of the books they should read- from the Risala of Imam Shafii to Shankiti's Nathrul waruud.
Friendship.


 


Posted By: Honzo
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 8:10pm
Response: That was their saying. But I do not agree with them. Ibn Hazm, known as Abi Muhammmad Aliyu Ibn Ahmad ibn Saeed Ibn Hazm Zahiri (384-452) is not an innovator. It was probably the followers of those scholars who disagreed with that called him an innovator. I possess three books written by him - Ihkam fi usul ahkam, fissal, and Muratibul Ijma'a  fil Ibadat wal Mu'aamilaat wal mu'taqidaat. Muhammad Zuhra also wrote on his life history. I prefer we judge people on what they wrote and not what one said about them. We differed in our depth of understanding injunctions on Mu'aamalat, Taqdir, and other Attributes of Allah. It is unfair to criticize one on what one does not understand. I do not understand how the sun will rise from the West and Set on the East. I should not be called a Kafir since no one will explain to me the phenomenon. Rising the sun from the West and setting on the East will be the day or moment I die! Ibn Hazm's istinbati is on standing by the Sunna of the holy Prophet and does not even agree on changing the lafz (words) spoken by the holy Prophet. He was praised by his contempoaraires as, "The tongue of Ibn Hazm and the sword of Hajj ibn Yusuf are similar".


 Problems lies when ppl starting thinking tht every scholar is authority in every field. There is no doubt tht Ibn Hazm has done some gd work as mentioned in tht article. But he has made some huge mistakes when it comes to fiqh and aqeedah and shld not be considered authority in those field. Science of Islam is divided in to different fields (Aqeeda/hadith/tafseer/fiqh/tassawuf) and when hv specialised scholars for every field.






Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:05pm
Originally posted by Friendship

Please kindly advise the forum on some of the books they should read- from the Risala of Imam Shafii to Shankiti's Nathrul waruud.
Rasoolullah Sallallahi alaihi wasallam did not preach that book, nor did the Sahaba read/recomend that book for blind following.


Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 1:10am
Assalamu alaikum.

Honzo posted: But he has made some huge mistakes when it comes to fiqh and aqeedah and shld not be considered authority in those field. Science of Islam is divided in to different fields (Aqeeda/hadith/tafseer/fiqh/tassawuf) and when hv specialised scholars for every field.

Response: Please do not fall into the trap of those who accused someone without proof. Islam demands witnesses while passing a judgment. What were his mistakes in the books he wrote down? If he made a mistake it is on him and not on you! It is only Muhammad who never made a mistake! Imam bin Hazam never wrote books on hadith literature and methodology (Usul of Ulum hadith first written by Raamahramzi d.360 A.H) or a Tafsir. If you have ever read a book written on the subject matter 'Aqeeda' for example by Ibn Taymiyya and Abubakar Jabir a-Jazaa'iri you will realize that people do not know even the meaning of Aqeeda.
Friendship.




Posted By: Honzo
Date Posted: 25 January 2009 at 4:07am
Walekumassalam

Please do not fall into the trap of those who accused someone without proof



Might be both of us has not read all of his work, but the scholars who hv had warned against it.


If you have ever read a book written on the subject matter 'Aqeeda' for example by Ibn Taymiyya and Abubakar Jabir a-Jazaa'iri you will realize that people do not know even the meaning of Aqeeda.


I beg to differ with u on this point, now we r heading towards altogether different topic.I dont follow Ibn Hazm nor Ibn Taymiyya in the matter of aqeeda.


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 26 January 2009 at 7:57am
[QUOTE=Honzo] .......I dont follow Ibn Hazm nor Ibn Taymiyya in the matter of aqeeda.........[/QUOTE]No blind following of Shaikhs in any matter...not only Aqidah.
But once someone explains and proves from the Qur'an and Sunnah as to what is right and what is wrong, we have to follow that.



Posted By: Honzo
Date Posted: 26 January 2009 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by abosait

Originally posted by Honzo

.......I dont follow Ibn Hazm nor Ibn Taymiyya in the matter of aqeeda.........[/QUOTE]No blind following of Shaikhs in any matter...not only Aqidah.


Unfortunately ppl who claim are themselves doing blind following.

[QUOTE]
But once someone explains and proves from the Qur'an and Sunnah as to what is right and what is wrong, we have to follow that.



According to authentic narration of our beloved prophet (peace be upon him), there will be group of ppl who will recite Quran but quran wont go down their throat.

There are criteria which ur sheikh shld fulfil b4 he can interpret Quran and hadith.





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Posted By: Honzo
Date Posted: 26 January 2009 at 8:51pm
The following is a bibliography based on books, articles, lectures, opinions and other material of which the greatest part can be found on the internet. It regards the subjects of http://www.forumforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=ahadunahad&showtopic=287 - Madhaahib , http://www.forumforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=ahadunahad&showtopic=792 - Taqleed , http://www.forumforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=ahadunahad&showtopic=1156 - Ijtihaad and other related matters. These works are by and include numerous scholars and students, contemporary ones as well as of the past, from the four Sunni schools of law. It is a good overview for those who are interested in mainstream and orthodox views of the subjects discussed. The overview is alphabetically ordered by the author’s name, divided between authors and publishers as well as contemporary and historical works.

Contemporary Authors: Ashraf, Muhammad; Azzam, Mostafa; Bayat, Zubayr; al-Buti, Muhammad Sa`id Ramadan; Desai, Ebrahim; Dhorat, Khalid; Fadel, Mohammed; al-Haaj, Murabit; Haddad, Gibril Fouad; Kadodia, Hussein; Karamali, Hamza; Keller, Nuh Ha Mim; Mangera, Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf; Murad, Abdal Hakim; Umm Nabeel; Rabbani, Faraz; Rasheed, Amjad; Saleem, Ridhwan ibn Muhammad; Shakir, Zaid; Usmani, Taqi.

Contemporary Publishers: al-Adaab, Ask Imam, Dar al-Ulum Bury, Guiding Helper, Majilis of South Africa, Waqf Ikhlas.

Historical Authors: Gangohi, Mahmood Hasan; al-Jawziyya, Ibn al-Qayyim; Kawthari, Zahid; al-Qurtubi, Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali; al-Subki.


Contemporary Authors

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=12370 - Taqleed and following of the Four Great Imams
by Mufti Muhammad Ashraf

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=3007&CATE=263 - Factors to Consider When Choosing a Madhhab
by Shaykh Mostafa Azzam

http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/whattaqlid.html - What is Taqlid or Ittiba?
by Mufti Zubair Bayat

http://www.sunnah.org/fiqh/usul/buti_vs_salafi.htm - Why Does One have to follow a Madhhab? A Debate with Shaykh al-Abassi
by Shaykh Muhammad Sa`id Ramadan al-Buti
translated by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller
from the book al-la Madhhabiyya Akhtaru Bid`atin Tuhaddidu al-Shari`a al-Islamiyya
(Non-Madhhabism: The most dangerous Innovation threatening the Islamic Law)


http://www.fikr.net/cgi-bin/e_showcard.cgi?id=319 - al-Salafiyya: Marhala Zamaniyya Mubaraka, la Madhhab Islami
(Ancestralism: a Blessed Era rather than an Islamic School)
by Shaykh Muhammad Sa`id Ramadan al-Buti

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=8639 - The evidence in Ayat and Ahadith for Taqleed
by Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=3320 - The Concept of Taqlid Simplified
by Mawlana Khalid Dhorat

http://www.abc.se/%7Em9783/n/vi_e.html - Validity of Ijtihad
by Mohammed Fadel

http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/PrintMedia/Articles/AR00000165.aspx - Fatwa on Following One of the Four Accepted Madhhabs
by Shaykh Murabit al-Haaj
translated by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf Hanson

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=890&CATE=1 - Non-Madhhabism & Following a Madhhab
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=852&CATE=1 - A Question on Madhhab Discord
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

http://www.abc.se/%7Em9783/fiqhi/sp1-gfh_e.html#18 - The Statement "If the Hadith is Authentic, that is my Madhhab"
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3351&CATE=23 - Talfiq - Mixing Madhhabs
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=5072&CATE=239 - Talfiq Impermissible: Early Generations
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2531&CATE=23 - Following things from different Fiqhs
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e60.html - Definition of a Mujtahid Mutlaq
by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=12598 - Taqleed as Wajib
by Talib Husain Kadodia

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00004103.aspx - Switching Madhhabs: Lack of Teacher
by Shaykh Hamza Karamali

http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/PrintMedia/Articles/AR00000083.aspx - Why Muslims Follow Madhhabs
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/fiqh/what_is_madhhab.html - What is a Madhhab
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller
from his interview with Q-News in 1995.

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/QA00000506.aspx - Seeking Out Dispensations & Following Another School
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/QA00000506.aspx - Seeking Out Dispensations: Following another School
by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=4983&CATE=23 - Choosing a School of Fiqh
by Shaykh Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf Mangera

http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/PrintMedia/Articles/AR00000164.aspx - Understanding the Four Madhhabs
by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad
from the book http://islamicbookstore.com/b3228.html - Understanding the Four Madhhabs

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/newmadhh.htm - Understanding the Four Madhhabs
by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad
with extensive notes from Sidi Azhar Usman

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/PrintMedia/Articles/AR00000079.aspx - Unity through Schools of Thought
by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad

http://www.modernmuslima.com/madhhabs.htm - Understanding Madhhabs: A Beginner's Guide and FAQ
by Umm Nabeel

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=920&CATE=1 - Why Madhabs? Isn't It Like Christianity?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=870&CATE=1 - The Fatwa in the Madhhab & How To Take Sacred Knowledge
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=865&CATE=1 - Commoners Do Not Have a Madhab?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000882.aspx - Is Following a Madhhab Fard?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000882.aspx - Mujtahids & Method
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/QA00002536.aspx - When can I follow another Madhhab?
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/QA00000499.aspx - Objection to Following Another Madhab
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=488&CATE=2 - How Fiqh is Derived
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1794&CATE=20 - Joining between Evidences and Ijtihaad
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3453&CATE=23 - Mixing between Shafi`i and Hanafi
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2279&CATE=23 - The way of Fatwa and the way of Taqwa
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1837&CATE=20 - Following another Madhhab in `Ibadat and Mu`amalat
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000484.aspx - Following another Madhhab is allowed
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=4891&CATE=23 - Selecting rulings from another Madhhab: Hardships
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3815&CATE=23 - Choosing and Picking from Madhhabs
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=500&CATE=2 - Objection to Following Another Madhhab
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1005&CATE=4 - Following another Madhhab: Difficulties
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=6421&CATE=3600 - Imam Shah Waliullah on Madhhabs
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00003814.aspx - Should I Leave the Hanafi Madhhab: Sunnas, Beards, Trousers
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3393&CATE=23 - Switching from Shafi`i to Hanafi
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2463&CATE=23 - Acceptance between Schools
by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=3102&CATE=263 - Recommended to avoid the Differences of Opinion of other Schools
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3325&CATE=23 - Talfiq and its Unlawfulness
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=2204&CATE=260 - Following Other Schools
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=4097&CATE=23 - Seeking out Dispensations: Corruption
by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

http://www.saleel.com/article.php?story=20040309175149640 - Asking for "Evidences" is a clear Daleel of your Ignorance
by Shaykh Ridhwan ibn Muhammad Saleem

http://209.41.170.97:8080/ramgen/%7Ezmedia/audio/Imam%20Zaid%20Shakir%20-%20Introduction%20to%20Following%20A%20Madhab.rm - : Introduction to Following a Madhab
lecture in RM by Imam Zaid Shakir

http://victoryscent.co.uk/4madhabs_1.htm - The 4 Schools of Thought in Islam
by Mufti Taqi Usmani
from Contemporary Fatawa

http://victoryscent.co.uk/4madhabs_2.htm - The 4 Schools of Thought in Islam
by Mufti Taqi Usmani
from Contemporary Fatawa

http://www.cometoislam.com/fiqh/legal/main.htm - The Legal Status of Following a Madhhab
by Mufti Taqi Usmani


Contemporary Publishers:

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/fiqh/taqlid.html - On the Necessity of Following Qualified Islamic Scholarship
published by al-Adaab

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=4199 - The Share`e role of Taqlid
published by Ask Imam

http://www.saleel.com/article.php?story=20040117211550286 - Verdict on Taqleed: Necessity of Taqleed from Shari’ah P.O.V.
by Talibun Dar al-Ulum
from Holcombe, Bury UK

http://www.guidinghelper.com/qna/maliki.html - Talfeeq in the Maliki School, Maliki Fiqh Principles
from the book The Guiding Helper

http://www.themajlis.net/Sections-article235-p1.html - The 4 Imams on Madhahib and Taqleed
from The Deception of the Salafi Sect
published by The Majilis of South Africa

http://www.themajlis.net/Sections-article223-p1.html - Incumbency of Taqleed
published by The Majilis of South Africa

http://www.themajlis.net/Sections-article238-p1.html - A Letter on Taqleed
published by The Majilis of South Africa

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/wah-21.html - Following the Imams of the Madhhabs
from the book Advice for the Muslim
published by Waqf Ikhlas


Historical Authors:

http://www.saleel.com/article.php?story=20050211152622880 - On Taqleed
by Mufti Mahmood Hasan Gangohi

http://www.forumforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=ahadunahad&showtopic=792&view=findpost&p=4189 - On Taqleed
by Imam Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya
from Ilam Al Muqaqqin
(The Instruction of those who sign Formal Legal Opinions)

The book al-la Madhhabiyya Qantaratu al-Ladiniyya
(Anti-Madhhabism is the Archway of Atheism)

by Imam Zahid al-Kawthari

http://www.forumforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=ahadunahad&showtopic=792&view=findpost&p=4194 - On Taqleed
by Imam al-Qurtubi
from the book Jami li-Ahkam al-Qur'an

The book http://www.rifaieonline.com/book15.htm - الرد على من اتبع غير المذاهب الأربعة
Radd 'ala man Ittaba'a Ghayr al-Madhahib al-Arba`a
(Refutation of those who follow other than the Four Legal Schools)
book by Imam Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali

The book Ma`na Qawl al-Imam al-Muttalib: Itha Sahha al-Hadith fa Huwa Madhhabi
(Meaning of the saying of the Muttalibi Imam: "If a Hadith is authentic, then it is my Madhhab")
by Imam al-Subki

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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 18 February 2009 at 6:30pm
[QUOTE=Honzo].........a bibliography............a good overview for those who are interested in mainstream and orthodox views of the subjects discussed.......... .[QUOTE]

http://www.answers.com/topic/mainstream - Mainstream is a term generally used to mean that which is ordinary or usual with familiar appeal to the masses.

http://www.answers.com/library/Islamic%20Dictionary-cid-57834 - I suppose by orthodox views you mean those views which are conforming to established religious doctrine derived from the Qur'aan and the Sunnnah.

And why would anyone waste his/her time reading the views of those writers rather than read and follow the established doctrines.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 9:50am
Originally posted by Honzo


According to authentic narration of our beloved prophet (peace be upon him), there will be group of ppl who will recite Quran but quran wont go down their throat.
 
What do you mean by "quran wont go down their throat"?.
 
Does it refer to those who recite the Qur'an without understanding its meaning?

Originally posted by Honzo


There are criteria which ur sheikh shld fulfil b4 he can interpret Quran and hadith.
 
What criteria?
 
Who is the 'Shaikh' under reference?


Posted By: kukuruza
Date Posted: 12 October 2009 at 11:35am
I discovered that khateeb and director of our mosque is Albaani's student!

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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 16 October 2009 at 1:02am
member_profile.asp?PF=62286&FID=32 - kukuruza
Female Judaism
I discovered that khateeb and director of our mosque is Albaani's student!
I am confused, what r u doing at a mosque being Judaic?


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 10:52am
Honzo, i am still waiting for your reply to my questions


Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by kukuruza

I discovered that khateeb and director of our mosque is Albaani's student!
I am sorry to hear that.


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 8:36am
Originally posted by Andalus

Originally posted by kukuruza

I discovered that khateeb and director of our mosque is Albaani's student!
I am sorry to hear that.

Why sorry? Angry




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