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Topic: 7 thunders of the Book of Revelation
Posted By: Angel
Subject: 7 thunders of the Book of Revelation
Date Posted: 16 February 2008 at 11:33pm

Has anyone heard of this as well as the 7 seals?

can anyone bring across these verses

20:4-6

10:1-11



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 20 February 2008 at 1:53am

All Praises are for Allah (S).

Peace!

I have post an article on that, do you want me to post is for discussion? I have up date it.

 

truthnowcome

 



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 23 February 2008 at 9:52pm

yes, please, that'll be good

 



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 25 February 2008 at 7:24pm

All Praises are for Allah (S). 

Salaam to All!

Angel, to discuss that we first have to look at the Comforter because Jesus (pubh) said: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but what he hears.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%20%2016:12-13&version=9 - ) 

And Revelation 10 mentioned of a seal book which John did not wrote and  coming of that book then  "all the truth will reveal."  

 So we have to find out who in the Comforter. In http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A26&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A26&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - John 14:26  it is mentioned:  Butt the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost...” Here, the bible we understand that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit. However, in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25202%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=2&ncc=2 -  it read: “...we have an ADVOCATE with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” Jesus was also call Comforter. The word used there for both is “Paracletos” which translated as Comforter, Advocate, ect. So we have now, Jesus (S) as a “Comforter” and the Holy Spirit as the “Comforter” that is two now.!

   Now, let’s look at John 14:16-17. Jesus (S) said in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A16&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A16&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - 14:16-17 “…I will pray to the father, and he shall give you "ANOTHER" Comforter (Paracletos: advocate, Comforter, Councillor) that he may abide with you for ever. Even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

   In this verse, the key word is "ANOTHER". If something is already with you how can we call it “ANOTHER” when it is already with you? As the verse continues it read: “Even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

   You see that? It said:  “for he dwelleth with you” meaning It’s already with them. So “Another Comforter here is not the Spirit of Truth that is already with them, it is referring to someone that is not there. Jesus (S) himself is a Comforter: http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25202%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=2&ncc=2 - “...we have an ADVOCATE with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” And he is telling them about another one. What does another mean? It cannot be the same thing; it has to be another like the same thing. Jesus (pbuh) is the “first” Comforter; then the “other”: The one to follow must be of “like nature” or we can say, theAnother Comforter” like Jesus (S) who is a Comforter and the Comforter which “dwelleth with them and shall be in them” it was two personalities.

  But the point Christians are missing here is, where the “Another Comforter” would come from.

   Jesus (S), said: “…I will pray to the father, and he shall give you "Another Comforter…” They miss this very important point: “I will pray to the father, and he’ shall give you.” This Comforter has to come from the “Father” Jesus (S) conformed it in ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+16%3A7&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252016%3A7&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=16&ncc=16 - - John 16:7 ): “Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I GO for if I GO NOT AWAY, the Comforter WILL NOT COME unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+16%3A7&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252016%3A7&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=16&ncc=16 - - John 16:7 )

  This would mean that the comforter is with the Father in Heaven and when he goes to the Father in Heaven he will send him. We cannot say Jesus (S) will send himself, which is foolish because Jesus (S) is not there with the Father in Heaven when he was talking to the disciples. The “Another Comforter” is in Heaven with the Father, Jesus (S) mentioned it in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 :  “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is ‘IN’ heaven.”

  Jesus (pbuh) was the Son of man "ON" earth and he spoke about another Son of man which is "IN" heaven. 

  The same thing he said in John 14:16-17 “…I will pray to the father, and he shall give you "ANOTHER" Comforter… Even the spirit of truth… but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

  Jesus (S) is talking about “another comforter” who is “with the Father in Heaven” and also the “Holy Spirit” which is “with the disciple on earth” (he dwelleth with you)

    The “condition” is, when “he goes to the Father in Heaven he will send him” because the “Another Comforter” is in Heaven at that time with the Father,

  In John chapter 20:21-22, the disciple received the Holy Ghost “before” Jesus (pbuh) left: ...As my father hath sent me, even so I send you (the disciple) And  when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, RECEIVED YE THE HOLY GHOST. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John.20:21-22&version=9 - - (John.20:21-22 ). And that is the one that Jesus mentioned when he said: “Even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

  If the Spirit of truth is not in them but dwelleth with them (the disciple), then where is the spirit of truth? John chapter one verse thirty-two read, "I saw the Spirit descending from heaven..., and abode upon him."

  Jesus (pbuh) was a comforter ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25202%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=2&ncc=2 - ) with the spirit of truth moving in him, so he dwelleth with them (the disciple) and shall be in them, which they received when Jesus (pbuh) BREATHED on them in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John.20:21-22&version=9 - ).

  So we have the one that was “in Jesus (S)” and the one that was “with the Father in heaven.” Jesus (S) mentioned it in   http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 :  “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is ‘IN’ heaven.”

But how will he abide with us forever? Let Jesus (S) tells us:

  In Luke, Chapter sixteen, Jesus (S) tells us the story of the “rich man, Poor man.” At death both find themselves at opposite ends – one in Heaven and one in Hell. The rich man simmering in Hell cries to Father Abraham to send the beggar (Lazarus) to slake his thirst. But when every plea fails, he, ask a last favor, requesting that Father Abraham send the beggar to earth to warn his living brother against their impending doom if they heeded not the warning of God.

  But Abraham said, “If they (those still alive on earth) hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (To warn them) Luke 16:31

  Jesus uttered the above parable centuries after the demise of the prophets of Israel Jeremiah, Hosea, etc and over thirteen hundred years after Moses (S). The Pharisees at that time of Jesus (S) and we today can still listen to “Moses and the Prophets.” For they are alive still alive, and with us here today in their teaching and so was Muhammad (S) the “Another Comforter” (Nothing new! Jesus said it.)

  The disciple John knew of him, he conforms that in 1John.4:1   “Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT, but try the SPIRITS whether they are of God because many false PROPHETS are gone out into the world.” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+4%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25204%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=4&ncc=4 - - 1John.4:1 )  

  John is saying you must look for a PROPHET with the SPIRIT of TRUTH moving in him. Also in John 16: 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of “ judgment:”

  Jesus (pbuh) is saying that, the Comforter will bring “Judgment” to the world (Gentiles). So the Comforter has to be a “person” according to Isaiah 42:1 “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon ‘him: he’ shall bring forth ‘judgment to the Gentile.’”

(I have add this link for more on Isaiah 42: Isaiah 42 Judgment onto the Gentile)

  That is the reason why the disciple John was looking for a Prophet with a Spirit in 1John.4:1 “Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but try the Spirits whether they are of God because many false Prophets are gone out into the world.”  And in John: 16:12 it says:I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.   13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, "he will guide you into all truth:" for he shall not speak of himself; "but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:" and he will show you things to come.

"but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:"

 If anyone says he is in them and speaks to them then he is that Prophet because John was looking for a Prophet with a Spirit.

  The Holy Qur’an has made that claim: 

Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world:

With it came down the SPIRIT OF FAITH and TRUTH (Ruh-ul-Amin).

To thy heart. (Q.26:192-194)

  The Prophet (pbuh) of Islam was known as the Al-Amin (the Faithful and truthful one).

  Therein come down the angels and the (Ruh) Spirit by Allah’s permission, on every errand. (Q.97:4)

  The angels and the Spirit [Ruh-ul-Qudus: Gabriel (Q.16:102); Ruh-ul-Amin: to the Al-Amim: Muhammad (pbuh).

  Allah {S} said: "We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to "ALL" mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind know not. (Q.34:28)

  And He said: "Without doubt it is (announced) in the revealed book [Taura (Torah) and the Injil (Gospel) of former peoples]." (Q.26:192-196)

  If you have a clear understanding of what I have established here then I will proceed to revelation 10, Inshallah.

TNC.



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 10:39pm

Peace to all!

Angel, are you there? I didn’t see you reply to me. However, I will proceed with the explanation of Revelation 10. But first, we have to look at what the Christian’s Scholar has to say.

Click on this link: http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-Revelation.html - How can I understand the Book of Revelation?

This is a clip: A simple outline for the Book of Revelation is found in Revelation 1:19. In the first chapter, the risen and exalted Christ is speaking to John. Christ tells John to "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later." The things John had already seen are recorded in chapter 1. The "things which are" (that were present in John's day) are recorded in chapters 2-3 (the letters to the churches). The “things that will take place" (future things) are recorded in chapters 4-22.

 

The “things that will take place" (future things) are recorded in chapters 4-22.

Now, you renember what Jesus (S) said about the Comforter in Heaven with the Father? He said: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now…he will guide you into all truth... (John.16:12-13) 

  The Book of Revelation chapter 10 mentioned the coming of another Book which John did not wrote and  coming of that book then "all the truth will reveal".

It is mentioned:   Rev.1-And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven. (V.1)

 Another Mighty Angel: Jesus (pubh) is not another mighty angel; it is Gabriel (s) the messenger of Allah who brought the message to and from Allah.

 2-3: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth. And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice. (V.2-3)

  4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, “I was about to write”: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, “and write them not”. (Rev.10:4)

 The angel brought the little book and John was order not to write down the message in that book, because the time was not right. So it is not the bible, because the bible is a written book and it {the bible} is telling us about another book. Which book is that?

 7-But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound: the mystery of God should finish as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev.10:7)

 In the days when this little book shall reveal all the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).The book was never written according to John: “seal up those things…and write them not.”

“Begin to sound” mean: “revealing” In the days when this little book shall reveal “all the mystery” (That is: “all the truth”) of God will finish (revealed, no more mystery) as he declared to his servants the prophets.

 And this is what Jesus (pbuh) said: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now…he will guide you into all truth... (John.16:12-13) 

 Therefore the Spirit of Truth which is the Comforter would have to bring this little book which contains all the truth. 

 And in 10:2-4 it says: John was about to write… So when this Book will reveal “some one” will have to be there to “write the message down.” Allah has revealed to Muhamed (pbuh):

 “…And We have sent down to thee (O Muhamed) the book (the Qur’an) explaining ‘all things’, a guide, a mercy, and Glad Tiding to Muslims.” (Q.16:89)

 This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Q.5:3)

 Do not mistake this Book for the one that mentioned in Rev.5:1 “… A Book written within and on the back side, sealed with seven seals.” That Book is already written and every time a seal open a certain event takes place. exa:

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206:1-2&version=9 - : and he went forth “conquering,” and to “conquer.”

  The advent of Muhammad (pbuh): Habakkuk. 3:16…when he (The Holy one from Mount Paran) cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.

   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 -   And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 On the other hand the one in Rev.10:2-4, John was about to write and he heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up those thing…and write them not.” So when this Book will reveal some one will have to be there to write it down.

10-And I (John) took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and eat it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. (Rev.10:10)

 We know that John did not eat the book, he read the book and the truth was sweet but practicing the law was bitter.

 11-And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many people, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev.10:11)

  Why prophesy again? Because he had already went, so he has to go back again to inform them about the coming of the universal book that he did not wrote.

  Allah (S) said: We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all mankind…but most of mankind knew not. (Q.34:38)

                                                

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014&version=9 - And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - everlasting gospel was yet to come; Jesus (pubh) gospel could not be for all time! Jesus (pubh) already on earth with a gospel, he could not be the “another angel” with everlasting gospel, the everlasting Gospel is the Qur’an. Revelation 10:1-11: “another angel’ with a “little book” which John did not wrote but is yet to come.

 

  Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)

  A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

  Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196)

  And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

  …it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

  …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50)

  O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)

  And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)

  Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Q.25:1)

  What Revelation 14-7 says? “Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come” Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong.

  And when he (the Comforter) is come he will reprove the world of sin, and righteous, and “judgment.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:8&version=9 -   Adding further Jesus (pbuh) is saying that, the Comforter will bring “Judgment” to the world (Gentiles). So the Comforter has to be a “person” according to http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:1-4&version=9 -   http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+42:1&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1 -   …here are they that keep the commandment of God, and the faith of Jesus…Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord henceforth (after the coming of the Qur’an/Al-Furqan: Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)  yea, said the Spirit, that they may rest from their labor; and their work do fallow them. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:12-13&version=9 -

 

Allah (S) said: “Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding there sustenance in their Lord…The (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.” (Q.3:169-1700)

 

http://mhc.biblecommenter.com/revelation/10.htm - http://mhc.biblecommenter.com/revelation/14.htm -

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 01 March 2008 at 10:06pm

Christian’s Scholars: http://www.geocities.com/revelationofjohn/revelation4d.html -

Rev 10, Clip:

‘A small scroll open’. There must be no danger of mistaking this scroll for the one sealed with seven seals so it is said to be a comparatively ‘small’ one….

 

10.3c-4 ‘The seven thunders uttered their voices, and when the seven thunders uttered their voices I was about to write, and I heard a voice from Heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered and do not write them”.

 

It is clear from this verse that John has been recording his visions as he saw them, but this time he is told to desist. In Isaiah 29.11 God declares Israel to be in a spirit of deep sleep so that even their eyes, the prophets, are ‘closed’. All vision has become to them as the words of a scroll that is sealed, that none can understand. Here the world is seen to be in the same state. Their state is such that they will not listen to what the thunders say, so the words of the thunders are sealed. God will not speak to those who will not hear.

 

 I have highlight it.

 

TNC



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 01 March 2008 at 10:14pm

  Isaiah tells us in ch.29:11-19 who received that sealed Book that mentioned in Rev. 10:2-4? “A little Book open…SEAL up those things…and write them not.”

SAIAH 29

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is [SEALED. (KJV)]

   …And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Greek: http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 - )

  History recorded that: Muhamed (pbuh) used to go up mountain cave, called Ghar-Hera, in Arabia (Mt. Paran) to meditate. While he was there an angel, later identified as Gabriel, commanded him saying: “read” and he respond by saying: “I am not learned,” the angel repeat the act three times, then Muhamed (pbuh) began to repeat the command of the angel which became the first five verse of surah 96, Al-Alaq, of the Qur’an. 

  Read: In the name of thy Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Q.96:1-5)

   Allah conform it in the Quran: Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they fiend mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat {Torah} and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q.7:157).

   And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

   Torah: Isaiah29:12 and Gospel: John 16:13…for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear [from angel Gabriel (S)].

   Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q.53:3-5)

 Why God Almighty send the seal book with an unlettered Prophet? Isaiah (pbuh) tells us.

   Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have remove their heart far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:13-19&version=9 - )

 Adee ibn Haatim said: I heard Allah’s Messenger (pubh) recite:

  They (Jews and the Christian) took their Rabbis and their Monks to be their Lords beside Allah. (Q.9:31)

   So I said, “O Messenger of Allah, they did not worship them,” so He (pbuh) said, “Verily if they {Rabbis and Monks} made something permissible for them, then they made it permissible and if they made something forbidden to them, they made it forbidden- that is their worship of them.” [Reported by at-Tirmidhee(5/278)]

 Look what will happen when this book comes:

   Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. (Isaiah29:14)

   Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their work are in darkness, and they say, who Seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things up-side down shall be esteemed as the putter’s clay… (V.15-16)

  Who is turning things up-side down? Who is saying yes to worshiping of man god, gambling, fornication, adultery, alcohol, Gay marriage and establish man made law when in the Scriptures it is otherwise?

  And in that day (when the book is reveled to the unlettered Prophet) shall the deaf hear the word of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and they among men shall rejoice in the Holy one of Israel. (Isaiah.29:18-19)

  This book was supposed to given to the Holy one of Israel but the Jews rejected the Messiah (pbuh) see John 1:11. Allah took the Covenant from them.

  O Children of Israel! Call to mind the (special) favors which I bestowed upon you, and I preferred you to all others (of your time period, in the past). (Q.2:47)

 BUT THE JEWS:

  …in that they broke the Covenant; that they reject the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right…Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy…That they REJECTED FAITH. (Q.4:155-156)

 And this book came after him, so it was given to the Comforter. (See exp. Rev.10 and Rev.14:6-7)

  THE KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWS.

  Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - )

  What Isaiah 29: 14 said? It said: “Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”

  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

  If you reject Jesus (pbuh) you reject his message, and the stone “represent his message” and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (pbuh) is not “marvelous in our eyes,” His message does, and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail.

  http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+21%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&oq=mt%252021%3A43&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=mt&ng=21&ncc=21 - Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Greek: http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=1484 - = nation

  And that nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham’s (pubh) seeds.

  And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - )

  In http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:16&version=9 - it says: “And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in the path that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them (Kedarites: Ishmaelite), and not forsake them.” 

 God Almighty did not forget the Ishmaelite he brings them out of darkness into light, he lead them into a path they knew not with the advent of Muhammad (pbuh).

 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness sake; he will magnify the (new) law, and make it honorable. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:21&version=9 - )

  Who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come? (Isaiah42:23)

  Who will become Muslim?

  O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… (Q.4:47)

http://uk.geocities.com/jonpartin/isaiah5.html - Commentary on The Book of Isaiah 28-35  FROM Christian's Scholars.

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 03 March 2008 at 8:32pm

 

http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-Revelation.html - - What does Revelation chapter 12 mean?

http://mhc.biblecommenter.com/revelation/12.htm - Compare: Preview:

  Coming of the universal book that mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2010&version=9 - and http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - , it says in Rev.10:2-4: John was about to write… So when this Book will reveal “some one” will have to be there to “write the message down” and that is the universal prophet that mentioned here in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=9 - .  The “woman” is the “Church” and that church is “Islam” and the “two wings” is the “two branches” from the same church…the two large groups of Muslims. After he brought the universal Book he died and caught up unto God and to his throne. It is not Jesus (pbuh) as the Christian’s Scholars promoting. On the contrary when Jesus (pbuh) comes, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-20&version=9 - says: “the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered to make war against him…and his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet …these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”  Not caught up unto God.   

Great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. (Rev.12:3): The Pagan Empire, the enemy of the church which is the sixth king: “And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is and the other is not yet come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:10&version=9 - )

  At the time of this prophesies Rev.17:10 “five Empire has fallen” and “one exists at the time of this prophesy (The Pagan Empire)” and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) was yet to come. The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christian (people of the Book) and defeated them. Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - . After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur’an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople - .

   After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a “new” Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade -  [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade - ( http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/articles_01.html - .) wage war against the Church and failed to convert the Muslims in the wilderness of Paran (Arabia) so they went after their seeds. And the dragon was wroth with the woman (the church that great city), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God (universal message: the Qur’an), and the testimony (true teaching) of Jesus Christ. (Rev.12:17)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 03 March 2008 at 8:34pm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=9 - The universal Prophet and The persecution of the Church.

  And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. (Rev.12:1-2)

  As you can see, according to some Christian’s Scholars the “woman” represents the church and some says the “woman” represents the Jewish nation.

  In truth… it represents the “church” and not the “Jewish nation”.

    The saints are the believers and they came from her and she” which is referring to the “church” when the church is well establish for the coming of the Messiah: Rev.19:7-8 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and ‘his wife’ hath made herself ready. And to “her” was granted that “she” should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.”

  And the church was divided in to two groups or branches:   Rev.12:14“And to the woman were given “two wings”.  And Rev.11:4-5 These are the “two olive trees”, and “two candlestick” standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth (used the word of God), and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

  And candlesticks represent churches:  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:20&version=9 - …the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest ARE SEVEN CHURCHES.

   Also, woman represented a great city: “And the ‘woman’ which thou saws is that ‘great city’…” (Rev.17:18)

 The Church here is “Islam” and the “two wings or the two olive trees and two candlestick” is the two branches from the same church…the two large groups of Muslims.

(I have just this link of where is the Church of Jesus' (S): Who Jesus (pbuh) said he is from the Bible)

  Abu Hurayrah said, “The Prophet {S} said, ‘The Hour will not come until the following events have come to pass: “two large groups will fight one another”, and there will be many casualties; they will “both” be following the “same religious teaching”… Knowledge will disappear, earthquake will increase, time will pass quickly, affliction will appear, and Harj (i.e. killing) will increase. Wealth will increase…People will compete in constructing high building…the sun will rise from the west; When it rises and people see it, the will believe, but, “no good will it do a soul to believe then, if he believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith…(al-An am 6:158; Bukhari, kitab al-Fitan,9/74)

  Crown of twelve stars: as for Ishmael…twelve prince shall he beget; I will make him a great nation. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - )

  (Rev.12:5) And she (the woman which is the church) brought forth a “MAN CHILD”, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

   Man child who was to rule all nations: He is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which I have explained in Rev.10 and 14:6-7. After he brought the universal Book he died and caught up unto God and to his throne. It is not Jesus (pbuh) as the Christian’s Scholars promoting. On the contrary when Jesus (pbuh) comes, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-20&version=9 - says: “the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered to make war against him…and his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet …these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”  Not caught up unto God.   

  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. (Rev.12:3) 

  The great red dragon: It is the Pagan Empire, the enemy of the church which is the sixth king: “And there are seven kings: ‘five are fallen’, and ‘one is (the Pagan Empire)’, and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) is not yet come.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:10&version=9 - )

  At the time of this prophesies Rev.17:10 “five Empire has fallen” and “one exists at the time of this prophesy (The Pagan Empire)” and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) is yet to come. The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christian (people of the Book) and defeated them, then Allah revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) Qur’an.30:2-4.

  The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persians). (N.Q.30:2-4)

  Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - . After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur’an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople - .

I’ve added in brackets to explain:

  And the woman (the church that Great City) fled into the wilderness [of Paran (Arabia) Gen.21:21], where she hath a place prepared of God, that they (Pilgrims) should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev.12:6)

   After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a “new” Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade -  [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. (See “The seven Seals”)

   …the devil (Iblis) and Satan (Jinn), which deceive the whole world: he was cast out into the earth… (Rev.12:9)

  …Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power (true teaching) of his Christ (Anointed)… (Rev.12:10)  

 “Salvation” comes when the man child (the universal Prophet) who was to rule all nations with the rod of iron, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power (true teaching) of his Christ (Anointed). (More on that I just add this link: The Crufiction and Salvation!)

  Habakkuk tells us who will bring salvation, he said: “…at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou (the Holy One from Mount Paran)  wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the ANOINTED [Messiah Jesus (pbuh): his second coming to establish Islam];” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:11-14&version=9 - ) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:3-16&version=9 -

  None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2021:21&version=9 - ) And he [Ishmael (pbuh)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran (Arabia: Makkah).

  Jesus (pbuh) said: “The kingdom God shall be taken from you (Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:43&version=9 - )

 …by the fruit ye shall knew them. (Matt.7:20)

  Blood of lamb: Can we destroy the Pagan Empire with blood? No! We have to use the word of the universal Book which dictates how to destroy them, “by the word of their testimony; and they (Muslim) love not their lives unto the death.” (Rev.12:11). (Now come Salvation)

  The time of the Devil is short: …Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:12&version=9 - )

  And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (the church that great city) which brought forth the man child (the universal Prophet). ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:13&version=9 - )

  The “ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade - ( http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/articles_01.html - .) led by Pope Urban II in 1095, he manage to mobilize France England Germany and Italy to persecute the woman (the church that great city).

  In http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:14-17&version=9 - it said: “And to the ‘woman’ (the church that great city) were given ‘two wings’ (Which is the two church)…that she might fly into the wilderness [of Paran, Gen.21:21], into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent (The Crusaders). (Rev.12:14)

  And the serpent (Crusaders) cast out of his mouth water (water represent people, See Rev.17:15. these are Missionary) as a flood after the woman (the church that great city), that he might cause her to be carried (convert) away of the flood (by Missionaries). (Rev.12:15) 

  And the (wealth of the) earth helped the woman (the church that great city), and the (wealth of the) earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood (Missionaries) which the dragon (Crusaders) cast out of his mouth. (Rev.12:16)

  The Missionaries were swallowed up by the wealth of the earth, they seek after material gains.

  And the dragon (Crusaders) was wroth (angry) with the woman (the church that great city), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God (universal message: the Qur’an), and the testimony (true teaching) of Jesus Christ. (Rev.12:17)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 06 March 2008 at 7:37pm

 It's all about the talk of the Devil in human form.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:14-15&version=9 - Genesis 3: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:14-15&version=9 - 14-15 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

 15And I will put enmity between thee (the devil) and the woman, and between thy seed (the devil seed) and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

According to the bible the Devil has a "SEED" on planet earth.

 

  "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 -

 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - KJV)

 

 

You have to read to believe!

 

Is it the Pope? http://www.worldslastchance.com/?gclid=CNDN55SK-YwCFSWQGgodYkBsDQ -  

Or Bush Boy? http://www.greaterthings.com/Word-Number/666/index.html -  

See:  http://www.religion-cults.com/antichrist/mark.htm - New World Order

 

http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/articles_01.html -     http://mhc.biblecommenter.com/revelation/17.htm -    http://mhc.biblecommenter.com/revelation/13.htm - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ -  

 

  It is mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%2012:9-13&version=9 - A he said. Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the "TIME IN THE END". 

  V.10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall UNDERSTAND; but wise shall understand.

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 06 March 2008 at 7:50pm

You have to read to believe!

REVELATION 17

  It is mentioned in the book of http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the “blasphemy” of them “which say they are Jews”, and are not, but are the “synagogue (Church) of Satan.”

And in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%203:9&version=9 - Behold, I will make them of the “synagogue of Satan,” which say they are Jews, and are not, “but do lie;” behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” And I have an explanation on this link: Who are those fake Jews (Rev.2:9, 3:9)?

 

  However, as we understand the “fake Jews” was described as the CHURCH OF SATAN”.  Now watch the connection with THE FALSE CHURCH AND BEAST 666

It is mentioned in  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17&version=9 - …And I saw a WOMAN sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

  I’ve established in Rev.12 that the “woman” mentioned their represents the “church” and the “woman” also represents a great city. Rev.17:18 “And the woman…is that Great City, which reigneth over the kings of the earth...”  But only this time the woman (the church that great city) is described as a Great Whore” in “Rev.17:1”

  Rev.17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of thegreat whore” that sitteth upon many waters:

  Rev.17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

  Rev.17: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

  Rev.17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw awoman” sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of “names of blasphemy”, having seven heads and ten horns.

  Rev.17:4 And the woman” was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

  She is one that is married and has been false to her husband’s bed. In other words, the “church” is carrying the scripture but “false” to the true teaching of God and she sit on the scarlet coloured BEAST, “full of blasphemy”, having seven head and ten horn.

  She is described as: “MISTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:5&version=9 -  And the angel said: “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman” (false church that great city) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:9-10&version=9 -  The seven head are seven Great City, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophesy was revealed and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire). The Pagans wage war against the Romans Christians (people of the Book) and defeat them, then Allah revealed to Muhamed (pubh) Q.30:2-4.

  The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)

  At the time of this prophesies Rev.17:10 “five Empire has fallen” and “one exists at the time of this prophesy (The Pagan Empire)” and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) was yet to come. The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christian (people of the Book) and defeated them. Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - . After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur’an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople - .

   After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a “new” Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade -  [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 -   And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the “forth part” of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

  "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - NLT).

 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - KJV)

  And the ten horn which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet, but received power as king one hour with the beast. (Rev.17:12)

  And the angel poured out his vail upon the great river of Euphrates; and the water (people: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:15&version=9 - - ) thereof dried up (Iran  and Iraq  war), that the way of the (ten) kings of the East might be prepared. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation16:12&version=9 -

 The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

  And the ten horns (ten kings) which thou sawest upon the beast (Pagan Empire: world government), these shall hate the whore (false church that great city), and make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:16&version=9 -   …indeed he {Dajjal} is in the Syrian sea or the Yemen  sea. No on the contrary, he is in the east, he is in the east, he is in the east and He (pbuh) pointed to the east. (Bukhari, Kitab al Fitan, 9/75)

 …He will appear on the way between Syria and Iraq(Muslim: Kitab al Fitan wa Ashrat al –Sa‘ah, 8/196-199)

   The Dajjal [Anti Christ: false teaching of Christ (pbuh)] will wage war from the east (Afghanistan) then reside in the Syrian and Yemen sea (Aircraft carrier).

 

  REVELATION 13 BEAST 666

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation13&version=9 - - - )  And I (John) stood upon the sand of the sea (seaside), and saw a BEAST rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horn…and upon his head the name of blasphemy.

   He will wage war from the sea: Aircraft carrier.

  And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name (Allah), and his tabernacle (Islam and its law), and them that dwell in heaven. (Rev.13:6)

  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev.13:7)

  The question is who is ruling the world now (having power over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations), invading country and dropping bomb at will in them without permission? I know the “West” and also Israeldropped “bombs” on Saddam’s nuclear site in the past and other Muslims countries, Lebanon and Syria what they did to them the other day. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19442.htm -

  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship (obeyed) him… (Rev.13:8)

  And the beast (Modern day Pagan Empire) which I saw was like unto a leopard (camouflage), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (his military strength), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (when he speak the world will afraid): and the dragon (the seventh king: the Crusaders: British Empire, See exp. of Rev.12) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (Rev.13:2)

 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

 …and all the world wondered after the beast. (Rev.13:3)

 And there was given unto him a mouth (media) speaking great things and “blasphemies”; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev.13:5)

  He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and faith of the saints. (Rev.13:10)

 And beheld another beast (Zionist movement: The fake Jews: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - “…I know the “blasphemy” of them “which say they are Jews”, and are not, but are the “synagogue (Church) of Satan.”) coming up out of the earth;

 

and he had two horns like a lamb (Zionist Judaism and Zionist Christianity: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11065.htm - ),

 

and he spake as a dragon ( Crusaders: claming the holy land). And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast (Modern Day Pagan Empire) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship (obeyed) the first beast (M.D.P.E.)… (Rev.13:11-12)

  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire (missile: 1967 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock#Modern_period - ) come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles (technology) which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image (W.T.C) to the beast… (Rev.13:13-14)

And there was given unto him a mouth (media) speaking great things and “blasphemies”; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev.13:5)

1967 + 42 years will take them into the year 2009 they will rein, and then they will fall.

And it mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:12&version=9 - “…Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” (Until 2009)

  And he had power to give life (business and trade) unto the image (W.T.C.) of the beast (modern day Pagan Empire: the world Government), that the image (W.T.C.) of the beast should both (the traders and the world government) speak, and cause that many as would not worship (trade with) the image (W.T.C.) of the beast should be killed. (Rev.13:15)

   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to received a mark (credit card) in their right hand, or in their forehead (identification: Social Security Number): And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark (credit card or Social Security Number), or the name (their kind) of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev.13:16-1

 The Dajjal (Anti Christ) will be a young man, with curly hair, and one eye floating.

 Metaphorically: one eye floating:  eye in the sky: G.P.S, x-ray vision spy satellite. Catch this link: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=99053 - .

  We asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah how quickly will he walk upon the earth?’ He (pbuh) said, ‘Like a cloud driven by wind.’

   Metaphorically: cloud driven by wind: Aircraft to move him from one place to another.

  He will issue a command to the sky, and it will rain. (Through technology)

 He will come to the people and call them (to a false religion: Christianity)

 At that time Allah will revealed to Jesus (pbuh): ‘I have brought forth some of my servant whom no one will able to fight Take my servants safely to al-Tur’ (See ‘ULUM AL-QUR’AN P.73 for al Tur) (Muslim: kitab al-Fitan wa Ashrat al Sa‘ah, 8/196-199)

 The messenger (pbuh) could not have explained to the Companion about modern technology examples: Aircraft, G.P.S., Unmanned Aircraft and aircraft carrier in the Syrian sea. 

 And the woman (false church)…is that Great City, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev.17:18)

Which Great City is “reigning” over the Kings of the earth at present?

  These (ten kings) have one mind (believe) and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall over come them: for he is Lord of Lord, and king of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen and faithful. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:13-14&version=9 -   Lord of Lords is used metaphorically to indicate power. For example, Paul referred to the devil a “god” in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 “in their case the “god” of this world had blind the minds of the unbelievers…”

And Lord said unto Moses, see I made thee a “god” to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy Prophet. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%207:1&version=9 - )

 The Lamb would not win the war, he shall overcome them.

 For God hath put in their heart to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:17&version=9 -

 The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

 And the ten horns (ten kings from the east) which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore (false church that great city), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire, (Rev.17:16)

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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 07 March 2008 at 8:51pm

Hi TNC, so sorry I haven't been back to this thread, I've had some things to do and had a sore shoulder, still a little bit tender but am pretty much doing stuff again.

I was wondering if you can stop for a moment so I can catch up  I did print of the early info and now there's more to read  which I also printed so I can read off screen and on the train. There is some thoughts I would like to convey.

 



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 March 2008 at 3:25am
Originally posted by Angel

Hi TNC, so sorry I haven't been back to this thread, I've had some things to do and had a sore shoulder, still a little bit tender but am pretty much doing stuff again.

I was wondering if you can stop for a moment so I can catch up  I did print of the early info and now there's more to read  which I also printed so I can read off screen and on the train. There is some thoughts I would like to convey.

 

Peace to Angel, I did post what you ask for but after I realize you were not on for a while I decided to just send the message across for any to read.

However, I will stop until you can catch up. waiting your reply!

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 16 March 2008 at 11:43pm

 

Peace!

  I just decided to add this very important information message, is a little diverts but it serves the same purpose: Exposing the Church of the Devil. You have to read to believe!

  Muslims and Christians should unite against the Devil (Beast666), he is using the Christians against the Muslims and they do not recognize it. Christians supposed to be our allied against the “Beast 666” because they are the People of the Book.

  Allah (S) said in his Noble Book: “…And nearest among them in love to the Believers (Muslims) wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians” Because among these are men devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.” (Q.5:82)

 

  One of the tricks of the Devil is to keep you occupied by divert you guys from paying attention in his direction because some Christian’s Scholars are saying that the present day “POPE” is the “Beast 666” which is not true.

The scripture says: …the devil and Satan, which deceive the whole world…  (Rev.12:9)

  Is the Pope deceived the whole world in going to war in Iraq? No!

 

Who are blaspheming Allah (S) and his Religion? The Devil and his’ Church! Prophesies must fulfilled!

Read for yourself:

  It is mentioned in the book of http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - Rev.2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the “blasphemy” of them “which say they are Jews”, and are not, but are the “synagogue (Church) of Satan.”

  And he (the beast) opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name (Allah), and his tabernacle (Islam and its law), and them that dwell in heaven. (Rev.13:6)

  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev.13:7)

 And there was given unto him a mouth (media) speaking great things and “blasphemies”; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev.13:5)

  Who is the world super power now and who is waging global war, the Pope? No!!

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation13&version=9 - (And I (John) stood upon the sand of the sea (seaside), and saw a BEAST rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horn…and upon his head the name of blasphemy.

   What the Pope has to do with the sea? “rise up out of the sea  He will wage war from the sea: Aircraft carrier.

 

  Rev.17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw awoman” sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of “names of blasphemy”, having seven heads and ten horns.

  Rev.17:4 And the woman” was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

  She is one that is married and has been false to her husband’s bed. In other words, the “church” is carrying the scripture but “false” to the true teaching of God and she sit on the scarlet coloured BEAST, “full of blasphemy”, having seven head and ten horn.

  She is described as: “MISTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:5&version=9 - Rev.17:5)

   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to received a mark (credit card) in their right hand, or in their forehead (identification: Social Security Number): And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark (credit card or Social Security Number), or the name (their kind) of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev.13:16)

 

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 - Rev. 6:7-8   And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the “forth part” of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - west ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - (Empire) ], and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

 

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - 2 Thess. 2:3 NLT).

 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped [Allah (S) and Islam]; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - 2 Thess2:4 KJV)

Read for yourself the coming to power of the “man of lawlessness”:

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm - - Click on this link: -

Clip from it, he said:

The United States CIA is running 50 covert actions, destabilizing further almost one third of the countries in the world today....

By the way, everything I'm sharing with you tonight is in the
public record. The 50 covert actions - these are secret, but that has been leaked to us by members of the oversight committee of the Congress. I urge you not to take my word for anything. I'm going to stand here and tell you and give you examples of how our leaders lie. Obviously I could be lying. The only way you can figure it out for yourself is to educate yourselves. The French have a saying, `them that don't do politics will be done'. If you don't fill your mind eagerly with the truth, dig it out from the records, go and see for yourself, then your mind remains blank and your adrenaline pumps, and you can be mobilized and excited to do things that are not in your interest to do....


[When the U.S. doesn't like a government], they send the CIA in, with its resources and activists, hiring people, hiring agents,
to tear apart the social and economic fabric of the country, as a technique for putting pressure on the government, hoping that they can make the government come to the U.S.'s terms, or the government will collapse altogether and they can engineer a coup d'etat, and have the thing wind up with their own choice of people in power.

Now ripping apart the economic and social fabric of course is fairly textbook-ish. What we're talking about is going in and
deliberately creating conditions where the farmer can't get his produce to market, where children can't go to school, where women are terrified inside their homes as well as outside their homes, where government administration and programs grind to a complete halt, where the hospitals are treating wounded people instead of sick people, where international capital is scared away and the country goes bankrupt. If you ask the state department today what is their official explanation of the purpose of the Contras, they say it's to attack economic targets, meaning, break up the economy of the country. Of course, they're attacking a lot more.

 

“dig it out from the records”

 

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Link: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/CIA_GreatestHits.html - CIA greatest hits page

"... what the Agency [CIA] does is ordered by the President and the NSC [National Security Council]. The Agency neither makes decisions on policy nor acts on its own account. It is an instrument of the President."

Philip Agee, CIA Diary

 

Despite its name, the Central Intelligence Agency's main purpose is, and has always been, carrying out covert operations involving economic warfare, rigged elections, assassinations and even genocide.

The CIA is also expert at distorting intelligence to justify its own goals, and this "disinformation" leads to dangerous illusions among our policymakers. But covert operations are its life's blood.

Mark Zepezauer

 

 

 

http://world.mediamonitors.net/headlines/using_the_sword_to_spread_western_values - Home / Headlines / Using the Sword to Spread Western Values - Media Monitors Network (MMN)

 

Clip:

 

“Take the example of the New World and its relationship with Afghanistan and Iraq. Liberation has become occupation; democracy has given way to colonial rule, devastation is termed as precision bombing and the slaughter of innocent Muslims is described as collateral damage. Meanwhile, American and British oil companies are queuing up to exploit the oil wells of Iraq and transport the energy reserves of the Caspian Sea to Europe via Afghanistan.”

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19533.htm - Destroy Islam clip:

By David Corn

13/03/08 " http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html - " -- -- Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11065.htm - American Christian Fundamentalist Leader Calls For Global War ),

 

Clip:

While the Western press is awash with stories, real and exaggerated, about 'Islamic fundamentalists', rarely is mention made about Christian fundamentalists, 

 

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 Bible book of Revelation says:And there was given unto him a mouth (media) speaking great things and “blasphemies”; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.” (Rev.13:5)

 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev.13:7)

 

Truthnowcome

 



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 18 March 2008 at 11:12pm

Peace!

I have found it, you have to read to believe! Coming of the Antichrist to power:

“YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED”.

 The Prophet (S)  said:  “…Someone will cry, ‘O Muslims! The Dajjal is in your country, with your families’, and the people will leave the wealth. Anyone who takes notice will regret it and anyone who ignores it will regret it. The will ask, ‘Who shouted’ but they will not know who he is. They will say, ‘Send a vanguard to Ilya. If the Dajjal has appeared, YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED.’ So the will go and see, and if they see that every thing is normal, they will say, ‘No-one would give a shout like that for no reason, so let us go together and to Ilya.’ If we find the Dajjal there we will fight him together, until Allah decides between us and him. If we do not find the Dajjal, we will go back to our country and families. (Al-Haythami, Majma al-Fitan, 8-176)

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - 2 Thess. 2:3 NLT).

 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped [Allah (S) and Islam]; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - 2 Thess2:4 KJV)

 

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm - The Despoiling Of America

How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State

Clip:

The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America

 

It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it.[1] And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty.[2] On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.

 

Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the "head" of the true American Holy Christian Church.

 

Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.

 

As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…”[3]

 

George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done:

“One ought not to say to those whom one wants to kill, ‘Give me your votes, because your votes will enable me to kill you and I want to kill you,’ but merely, ‘Give me your votes,’ for once you have the power of the votes in your hand, you can satisfy your desire.”[4]

Notwithstanding the advice, the President’s foreign policy revealed a flair for saber rattling. He warned the world that “nations are either with us or they’re against us!” His speeches, often containing allusions to biblical passages, were spoken with the certainty of a man who holds the authority of God’s wrath on earth, for he not only challenged the evil nations of the world, singling out Iraq, Syria, Iran, and North Korea as the “axis of evil,” but he wielded the sword of punishment and the sword of revenge against his own people: the American poor and the middle class who according to the religious right have earned God’s wrath by their licentiousness and undisciplined lives.

 

TNC



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 20 March 2008 at 11:53pm

All Praises are for Allah (S).

The coming of the Mehdi:

  In the bible CANDLESTICKS REPRESENT CHURCHES: “Christian’s era: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:20&version=9 - …the ‘seven candlestick’ which thou sawest are ‘seven churches.’”

And it said in  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2011:3-7&version=9 - And I will give power unto my “two witnesses”, And they shall prophesy a thousandtwo hundred and three days (years) clothed in sackcloth.”

 Who are these two witnesses? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:6&version=9 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:6&version=9 - And the woman (the church that Great City) fled into the wilderness [of Paran (Arabia) Gen.21:21], where she hath a place prepared of God, that they (Pilgrims) should feed her there a thousandtwo hundred and three days.

They are the “two branches” of the “one Church (ISLAM).

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:14&version=9 - conforms that: And to the woman (the church that great city) were given “two wings” (two witness)…that she might fly into the wilderness (of Paran: Arabia), into her place where she is nourished (by the Pilgrims) for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent (the Crusaders). 

   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2011:4&version=9 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2011:4&version=9 - These are the “two olive trees”, and “two candlestick” standing before the God (Allah) of the earth. (THE TWO LARGE GROOPS OF MUSLIM)

 Christian’s era: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:20&version=9 -  the “seven candlestick” which thou sawest are “seven churches.”

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2011:3-7&version=9 - And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth (used the word of God), and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 “TWO LARGE GROOP WILL FIGHT ONE ANOTHER…they will BOTH BE FOLLOWING THE SAME “RELIGIOUS TEACHING”

 Abu Hurayrah said, “The Prophet (S) said, ‘The Hour will not come until the following event have come to pass: TWO LARGE GROOP WILL FIGHT ONE ANOTHER, and there will be many casualties; they will BOTH BE FOLLOWING THE SAME “RELIGIOUS TEACHING”…Knowledge will disappear, earthquake will increase, time will pass quickly, affliction will appear, and Harj (i.e. killing) will increase. Wealth will increase…People will compete in constructing high building…the sun will rise from the west; When it rises and people see it, the will believe, but, “no good will it do a soul to believe then, if he believed not before nor earned rightiousness through its faith…(al-An am 6:158) (Bukhari, kitab al-Fitan,9/74)

 And the angel poured out his vail upon the great river of Euphrates; and the water (people: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:15&version=9 - thereof dried up (Iran  and Iraq war), that the way of the (ten) kings of the East might be prepared (Militarily). http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation16:12&version=9 -  Abu Hurayrah said: “The Prophet (S) said: ‘The Hour will not come before the Euphrates uncovers a mountain of gold, for which people will fight. Ninety nine out of every hundred will die, but every one among them will say that perhaps he will be the one who will survive (and thus possess the gold)’” (Muslim, Kitab al-Fitan wa Ashrat al-Sa‘ah, 8/174)

Abu Hurayrah said: “The Prophet (S) said: ‘The Euphrates will disclose a golden tresure. Who is present at that time should not take anything of it.’” (Bukhari, Kitab al-Fitan, 9/73)

 And the ten horn which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet, but received power as king one hour with the beast. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:12&version=9 -  AFTRE THAT: “…the ten horns (ten kings) which thou sawest upon the beast (Pagan Empire: world government), these shall hate the whore (false church that great city), and make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:16&version=9 -  The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

 The Prophet (pbuh) said: “…the jihad is everlasting from the time that Allah sent me to the time when the LAST PART OF MY UMMAH fight the Dajjal. The oppression of a TYRANT (SADDAM HUSSAIN) cannot destroy it nor the justice of the righteous leader…” [Abu Dawood (no. 2532)]

 
Anas ibn Malik said, “The Prophet (S) said,    ‘The time of the Dajjal will be years of CONFUSION. People will believe a LIAR, and DISTRUST  one who is TRUSTWORTHY, and TRUST the one who is TRENCHEROUS; and the RUWAYBIDA will  have a say.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the RUWAYBIDA?’ He said, ‘Those who rebel against Allah and will have a say in GENERAL AFFAIRS.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 3-220.)

 

“YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED”.

 The Prophet (S)  said:  “…Someone will cry, ‘O Muslims! The Dajjal is in your country, with your families’, and the people will leave the wealth. Anyone who takes notice will regret it and anyone who ignores it will regret it. The will ask, ‘Who shouted’ but they will not know who he is. They will say, ‘Send a vanguard to Ilya. If the Dajjal has appeared, YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED.’ So the will go and see, and if they see that every thing is normal, they will say, ‘No-one would give a shout like that for no reason, so let us go together and to Ilya.’ If we find the Dajjal there we will fight him together, until Allah decides between us and him. If we do not find the Dajjal, we will go back to our country and families. (Al-Haythami, Majma al-Fitan, 8-176)

 Abd Allah said, “…The Prophet (S) said, ‘We are a people of a Household for whom Allah has chosen the Hereafter rather than this world. The people of my Household (Ahl al-bayt) will suffer a great deal after my death, and will be persecuted until a people carrying black banner will come out of the EAST (AFGANISTAN). They will instruct the people to do good, but the people will refuse; they will fight until they are VICTORIOUS, and the people do as they ask, but they will not accept it from them until they hand over power to A MAN FROM MY HOUSEHOLD. Then the earth will filled with fairness, just as it had been filled with injustice. If any of you live to see this, you should GO TO HIM EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO CRAWLED ACROSS ICE.’” (Ibn Majah, ibid., Hadith 4082)

 Thawban said, “The Prophet {S} said, ‘Three men will be killed at the place where your tresure is. Each  of them will be the son of a Khalifah, and non of them will get hold of the treasure. Then the black banners will come out of the EAST (AFGANISTAN), and they will slaughter you in a way which has never been seen before.’ Then he said something which I can’t remember; then, ‘If you see him, GO AND GIVE YOUR ALLEGIANCE, even if you have to crawl over ice, because he is the KALIFAH of Allah, The Mahdi.’” (Ibn Majah, op. cit., (Hadith 3088)

 

 Is there any one from the EAST (AFGANISTAN) who is calling for ONE Caliphate? I remember the General said: “If you destroy their economy you destroy their military He is waging an economic war while the Devil is waging a Military war’ I also remember they said: “they will bleed them to death” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19443.htm -  

 Abd Allah ibn Mas‘ud said: “The Prophet (pbuh) said, ‘Islam begin as something strange, and it will revert to being strange as it was in The Beginning, so good tidings for the strangers.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the strangers?’ He said, ‘The ones who break away from their people (literally, ‘tribes’) for the sake of Islam.’” This Hadith was narrated by Ibn Majah on the authority of Anas and Abu Hurayrah. [Muslim, Kitab al-Iman, 1/90; Ibn Majah, Kitab al-Fitan(hadith 3988), 2/1320.]

 Abu Sa‘id said, “The Prophet (S) said:  ‘The Mahdi will be one of my descendant; he will have a high forehead and a hooked nose. He will fill the earth with justice and fairness just as it was filled with injustice and oppression, and he will rule for seen years.’” (Abu Dawood, Kitab al-Mahdi)

 Abu Hurayrah said: “The Prophet (S) said: ‘Woe to the Arabs from the great evil which is nearly approaching them: it will be like paches of dark night, A man will wake up as a believer, and be a kafir (unbilever) by   nightfall. People will sell their religion for a small amount of worldly good. The one who is cling to his religion on that day will be as one who is grasping an ember – thorns.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 2/390)

 Abu Hurayrah said, “I heard the Prophet (S) saying to Thawban, ‘O Thawban, what will you do when the nations call one another to invade you as people call one another to come and eat from my bowl?’ Thewban said, ‘May my father and mother be sacrifices for you, O Messenger of Allah! Is it because we are so few? The Prophet (S) said, ‘No, that day you (Muslim) will be many, but Allah will put weakness (whan) in your hearts.’  The people asked, ‘What is that weakness, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, ‘It is love for this world and dislike of fighting.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 2/359)

 

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 23 March 2008 at 2:49am

The seven seals:

   It is mentioned in the bible book of Rev.5:1 …A Book written within and on the back side, sealed with seven seals.

  Do not mistake the Book that mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation.10:1-4&version=9 - “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven… And he had in his hand a little book open...” for the Book that mentioned in Rev.5:1

  The one that mentioned in Rev.10:2, in verse 4 it is mentioned: “And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I (John)  was about to write: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, and write them not. (Rev.10:4)

  The angel brought the little book and John was order not to write down the message in that book because the time was not right. So it is not the bible because the bible is a written book and it (the bible) is telling us about another book and also when John was about to write he heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up those thing…and write them not.” It would mean, when this Book will reveal, some one will have to be there to write it down. However! It is not the Book that mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation.5:1&version=9 - , because that book is already written and every time a seal is open a certain event takes place.

Example:

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:1-2&version=9 - …when the lamb opened one of the seal…behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

  The advent of Muhamed (pbuh):  Habk. 3:16…when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops. 

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 - And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 These two seals depict the History of Muhamed (pbuh) and the eight King [ http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:11&version=9 - And the beast that was, and is not, even He is the eight (Modern day Babylon), and of the seven, and goeth into perdition]

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:9-15&version=9 - And when he open the “fifth seal” I saw under the alter the souls of them that slain for the word of God (The Qur’an), and for the testimony which the held:

 Rev.6:10 And they (in Guantanama bay and Abu Garib, est.)  cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord (O Allah) holy and true, does thou judge and avenge our blood on them (the Crusaders) that dwell on the earth?

 Rev.6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them (the promise of heavem); that they should rest yet for a little season (which is now) until there fellow servants also and there brethren, that should be killed (by the Crusaders) as they were, should fulfilled.

 Rev.6:12 And I beheld when he open the six seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood (this is an eclipse);

 Rev.6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind (meteorite shower).

 Rev.6:15…hid themselves in den and in the rock of mountain (concrete buildings and bomb shelters).

  The rest of verses explained it self. The ones that will save are who have the “Seal” in the forehead by prostrations, some Jews and all people and nations who come out of great tribulation that we are in and still happening.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation7&version=9 - Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

  4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Not the fake Jew: in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the “blasphemy” of them “which say they are Jews”, and are not, but are the “synagogue (Church) of Satan. - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%203:9&version=9 - Behold, I will make them of the “synagogue of Satan,” which say they are Jews, and are not, “but do lie;” behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Link: Who are those fake Jews (Rev.2:9, 3:9)?

 

 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

  14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Not crucifixion, is who fought with the LambThose are they which came out of great tribulation,

 The trumpet: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation9:11&version=9 - depict Apollion and that is the sounding of the fifth trumpet. How many war fought after that? All these are events that written down to happen in the book in Rev.5:1. We are now with the eight king. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:11&version=9 -   And the beast that was, and is not, even He is the eight (Modern day Babylon), and of the seven, and goeth into perdition (Eternal damnation).

Br. Zainool Husain



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:28am

Hi Zainool

Sorry for taking much longer, I have read all of your stuff and read Revelations in my bible and some other readings about the seven seals and seven thunders.

I will be back on saturday to post some points.  

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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 28 March 2008 at 10:01pm

back :)

The issue of the next comforter after Jesus, I may get back to it later, although you seem to make a good case of it. I just want to concentrate on Revelations and the seven seals and seven thunders for the time being.

I just want to ask first, when do you think the prophesies of Revelations is to be revealed?

have to get back later. work turned out to be busier than usual



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 29 March 2008 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Peace to all!

Angel, are you there? I didn’t see you reply to me. However, I will proceed with the explanation of Revelation 10. But first, we have to look at what the Christian’s Scholar has to say.

Click on this link: http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-Revelation.html - How can I understand the Book of Revelation?

This is a clip: A simple outline for the Book of Revelation is found in Revelation 1:19. In the first chapter, the risen and exalted Christ is speaking to John. Christ tells John to "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later." The things John had already seen are recorded in chapter 1. The "things which are" (that were present in John's day) are recorded in chapters 2-3 (the letters to the churches). The “things that will take place" (future things) are recorded in chapters 4-22.

 

The “things that will take place" (future things) are recorded in chapters 4-22.

Peace unto you Angel!

The Bible did not give a time period. However, the above is what the Christian's Scholar explained. Also in Revelation it is mentioned:

 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must "shortly come to pass"; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John :" http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:1&version=9 - Rev.1 :1  

No time was given.

 



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 04 April 2008 at 9:51pm

Hi  , sorry for the long delay but it seems this might be a weekly conversation have much more hours at work.

Originally posted by truthnowcome

Originally posted by truthnowcome

Peace to all!

Angel, are you there? I didn’t see you reply to me. However, I will proceed with the explanation of Revelation 10. But first, we have to look at what the Christian’s Scholar has to say.

Click on this link: http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-Revelation.html - How can I understand the Book of Revelation?

This is a clip: A simple outline for the Book of Revelation is found in Revelation 1:19. In the first chapter, the risen and exalted Christ is speaking to John. Christ tells John to "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later." The things John had already seen are recorded in chapter 1. The "things which are" (that were present in John's day) are recorded in chapters 2-3 (the letters to the churches). The “things that will take place" (future things) are recorded in chapters 4-22.

 

The “things that will take place" (future things) are recorded in chapters 4-22.

Peace unto you Angel!

The Bible did not give a time period. However, the above is what the Christian's Scholar explained. Also in Revelation it is mentioned:

 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must "shortly come to pass"; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John :" http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:1&version=9 - Rev.1 :1  

No time was given.

Actually there is a time. many people know that revelations is the last of the bible scriptures and is considered to be the end of times. And of course Jesus' second coming. The following is what I have gathered from looking into other areas & comparing this end chapter of the bible. Some people believe this is the end of times like the end of the world but that is not exactly true. What is, or suppose to be is the changing of one time to another, this time we are in is a privatol moment where many changes are going one, and I'm not talking about climate change even though things are changing there too. It's more about us and how we do things, what we believe in and how to live,  and its seems to me we are in a crunch time. Many people have heard about the mayan calendar and the year 2012 and think that the world will end, but those who have not studied the calendar don't understand what that means, it is a very complex calendar, this is how the mayans calculated time. It's in a cycle with a begining and end, its continous like a wheel on a bike, its not a continus line like the gregorian calender we have to calulated time. The bible is different in this respect also, it is only a 7000 year time line, with the begining being with Adam and Eve/Gensis & the end with Revelations with Jesus' second coming, all this is in a 7000 time period and this is suppose to denote the time of mankind (Humanity has been around long before Adam and Eve not what's in the bible, so I myself don't agree with the bible). Revelations is being revealed now, we are according to the time frame of the bible is we in this 7000 year period, supposedly the end of time but I think this is misunderstood by believers. From what I am gathering, Jesus' return marks a new era for mankind where its suppose to be that people will do as according to God's will and not go off on their own will............aahhhhhhhhhh I've run out of time I have to leave it there, hopefully I can get back to it on monday if possible.  



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 05 April 2008 at 7:48pm

 

Originally posted by Angel

Actually there is a time. many people know that revelations is the last of the bible scriptures and is considered to be the end of times. And of course Jesus' second coming. The following is what I have gathered from looking into other areas & comparing this end chapter of the bible. Some people believe this is the end of times like the end of the world but that is not exactly true. What is, or suppose to be is the changing of one time to another, this time we are in is a privatol moment where many changes are going one, and I'm not talking about climate change even though things are changing there too. It's more about us and how we do things, what we believe in and how to live,  and its seems to me we are in a crunch time. Many people have heard about the mayan calendar and the year 2012 and think that the world will end, but those who have not studied the calendar don't understand what that means, it is a very complex calendar, this is how the mayans calculated time. It's in a cycle with a begining and end, its continous like a wheel on a bike, its not a continus line like the gregorian calender we have to calulated time. The bible is different in this respect also, it is only a 7000 year time line, with the begining being with Adam and Eve/Gensis & the end with Revelations with Jesus' second coming, all this is in a 7000 time period and this is suppose to denote the time of mankind (Humanity has been around long before Adam and Eve not what's in the bible, so I myself don't agree with the bible). Revelations is being revealed now, we are according to the time frame of the bible is we in this 7000 year period, supposedly the end of time but I think this is misunderstood by believers. From what I am gathering, Jesus' return marks a new era for mankind where its suppose to be that people will do as according to God's will and not go off on their own will. 

  You are right, it is not the end of the world; it is the beginning of the end of all evil.

  It is also true that people consider the book of revelation to be fulfilled in the end time because the calculate from the time of Adam (S) of the bible and the year 6000 end on year 2000 AD, where the Messiah suppose to be coming; but who turn up at the end of 2000 in the year 2001 is a different story that is why you cannot get it right!

When things started to change? September 11 2001!

 



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 05 April 2008 at 7:52pm

This is an old article of mine which I have post here some time back. It is only my opinion and it has nothing to do with the Scholar of Islam’.

 

OVER IT ARE NINETEEN

  It is mentioned in Qur’an: And We have fixed their number (19) only as a trial for the Disbelievers. (N.Q.74:30)

 Leave Me alone (to deal) with whom I created lonely (without any wealth or children, etc., A l-Walid bin Al-Mughriah Al-Makhzumi). (N.Q.74:11)

  Yusuf Ali (early) commentary 5790:- The commentator understood the reference to be to Walid ibin Al-Mughriah, who was a wealthy Subarite, Pagan to the core, and an inveterate enemy to the Holly Prophet (pbuh). He and Abu Jall did all they could, from the beginning of the preaching of Islam, to abuse and persecute the Preacher, to run down his doctrine, and to injure those who believe in it. But the meaning for us is much wider.

 The Pagans as a hold was trying to destroy Islam and the People of the Book. (See  Q.30:2-4)

  Allah has described them: To whom I granted resources in abundance, and sons to be by his side! - To whom I made (Life) smooth and comfortable! Yet is he greedy- That I should add (yet more) - By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory! Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities! For he thought and he plotted- And woe to him! How he plotted! - Yea, Woe to him; how he plotted! - Then he looked round; then he frowned and he scowled; then said he: “This is nothing but magic, derived from of old;” Soon will I cast him into Hell-Fire! And what will explain to thee what Hell-Fire is?  (Q.74:12-27)

Allah said: “what will explain to thee what Hell-Fire is?” and He give the answer “Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities.” (V.17), and He place two woe upon them: the first is fall of the Pagans Empire (See Q.30:2-4) and the second is the rise and fall of the Pagans Empire, only this time the will be carrying the Scriptures of the People of the Book (Modern Day Pagan Empire).

…We have fixed their number (19) only as a trial for the disbelievers- in order that the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) may arrive at certainty… (N.Q.74:31)

 Naught doth it permit to endure, and naught doth it leave alone! - darkening and changing the colour of man! (Q.74”28-29)

 Yusuf Ali com. 5792: …the brightness of his very manhood is darkened and extinguished by sin.

  THE FALL OF MODERN DAY PAGAN EMPIRE

 For he thought and plotted…Yea, woe to him how he plotted. (V.18-20)

 Over it are nineteen (angels as guardians and keepers of Hell). (Q.74:30)

 And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire. And We have fixed their number (19) only as a trials for the disbelievers, in order that the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) may arrive at certainty [That this Qur’an is the truth as it agrees with their Books regarding the number (19) which is written in the Taurat (Torah) and Injil (Gospel)] … (N.Q.74:30)

 INJIL

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:7-21&version=9 -   Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife (the church) hath made herself ready. (Rev. 19:7)

 And to her (the church) was granted that she (the church) should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint. (V.8)

 And he said unto me, Write, Bless are THEY which are called unto the marriage SUPPER of the Lamb. And he said unto me, These are the true saying of God. (V.9)

 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS that flies in the midst of heaven come and gather yourself together unto the SUPPER of the Great God; that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Rev.1917-18)

 We have the saint and the fowls that fly in midst (Air) of heaven, they are called unto the marriage SUPPER to eat of those people. Which fowls or bird that flies in midst (Air) heaven can eat those people, feather bird or iron bird?

 He [Jesus (pbuh)] cometh with cloud; and every eye shall see him (from the media). (Rev.1:7)

 He will strike from the cloud, midst air (heaven) with the army which is in heaven.

 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses [fowls that fly in midst heaven (iron bird)], clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev.19:14)

 Does it ring a bell? Nineteen (19) in the Scripture, nineteen (19) angels and nineteen (19) terrorist coming from the cloud.  

 But verily over you (are appointed angels) to protect you. (Q.82:10)

 For him (each person), there are angles in succession, before him and behind him. The guard him by command of Allah… (Q.13:11)

 Battle of Badr: Allah sent an invisible army of angels to help the Muslims.

 And We have fixed there number (19) only as a trial for the Disbelievers, in order that the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christian) may arrive at certainty [That this Qur’an is the truth as it agree with their Book regarding the number (19) which is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospel)] and  that the believers may increase in Faith (as the Qur’an is the truth), and no doubt may be left for the people of the Scripture and the believers, and that those in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy) and the disbelievers may say: “What Allah intend by this (curious) example?” Thus Allah leads astray whom He wills and guide whom He wills. And none can know the host of your Lord but He. And this (Hell) is nothing else than a (warning) reminder to mankind. (N.Q.74:31)  

 Verily, it is but one of the greatest (signs). A warning to mankind – To any of you that choose to go forward (by working righteous deed), or to remain behind (by committing sins). Q.74:35-37

 No misfortune can happen on earth or in your own soul but is in a book before We bring It into Existence. Verily, that is easy for Allah. (Q.57:22)

 And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful true.  And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his heave were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:11-12&version=9 - )

 He will be support by many kings and only he knew how to destroy the BEAST.

And the he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (V.13)

 He will wage war for the Word of God.

 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (V.14)

 These are the nineteen angels that guided the believers.

 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smith the nation: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (V.15)

 He shall used war of words to motivate the believers and treadeth the Government that used pubs, and disco to promote alcohol, prostitution and all evil “THE MOTHER OF HERLOTS”. See explanation of Rev.17 and 13

 When comes the help of Allah, and victory, and thou does see the people enter Allah’s religion in crowds, celebrate thy praises of thy Lord, and pray for His forgiveness: For He is oft-returning (in grace and mercy). (Q.110:1-3)

 ‘Abd Allah ibn Mas‘ud said: “The Prophet (pbuh) said, ‘Islam begin as something strange, and it will revert to being strange as it was in The Beginning, so good tidings for the strangers.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the strangers?’ He said, ‘The ones who break away from their people (literally, ‘tribes’) for the sake of Islam.’” This Hadith was narrated by Ibn Majah on the authority of Anas and Abu Hurayrah. [Muslim, Kitab al-Iman, 1/90; Ibn Majah, Kitab al-Fitan(hadith 3988), 2/1320.]

                                               

 Does the word “The Beginners” ring a bell?  Coincident! When the Crusaders strike Afghanistan , they cod name was “Operation ANACONDA;” Coincident!                                      

 Muhamed (pbuh) said: “My Ummah will split into seventy-three sect, all of them in the fire except one.” It was said, ‘Who are they O messenger of Allah?’ He said, “That which I and my Companions are upon.” [Saheeh: Abu Daawood (2/503-504) and Al-Hakim (1/128); Marfoo form: Ahmad from Anas and Ibn Majah (2/1322); And others from Abu Hurairah– radiallaahu anhu – from the Prophet(pbuh).]

                                                

 And the woman (false church)…is that Great City, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:18&version=9 - )

  These (ten kings) have one mind (believe) and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall over come them: for he is Lord of Lord, and king of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen and faithful. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:13-14&version=9 -   Lord of Lords is used metaphorically to indicate power. For example, Paul referred to the devil a “god” in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 “in their case the “god” of this world had blind the minds of the unbelievers…”

 And Lord said unto Moses, see I made thee a “god” to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy Prophet. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%207:1&version=9 - )

 The Lamb would not win the war, he shall overcome them.

 For God hath put in their heart to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:17&version=9 -

 The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

  And the ten horns (ten kings from the east) which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore (false church that great city), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire, ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:16&version=9 - )

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-21&version=9 - And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

  20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

  21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%202:44&version=9 - and in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a KINGDOM, WHICH SHALL NEVER DESTROY: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but BREAK IN PIECES and CONSUME ALL THESE KINGDOM, AND IT SHALL STAND FOR EVER.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:%2012-14&version=9 - (WHEN THE UNLETTRED PROPHET COMES)for the WISDOM OF THE WISE MAN SHALL PERISH…

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%207:28&version=9 - HITHERTO IS THE END OF THE MATTER…

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22026744 - /

 

 

 

 Br. Zainool Husain

 



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 3:11am
Originally posted by truthnowcome

 

It is also true that people consider the book of revelation to be fulfilled in the end time because the calculate from the time of Adam (S) of the bible and the year 6000 end on year 2000 AD, where the Messiah suppose to be coming; but who turn up at the end of 2000 in the year 2001 is a different story that is why you cannot get it right!

When things started to change? September 11 2001!

I'm a bit confused with the bold bit  

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 1:34am
Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by truthnowcome

 

It is also true that people consider the book of revelation to be fulfilled in the end time because the calculate from the time of Adam (S) of the bible and the year 6000 end on year 2000 AD, where the Messiah suppose to be coming; but who turn up at the end of 2000 in the year 2001 is a different story that is why you cannot get it right!

When things started to change? September 11 2001!

I'm a bit confused with the bold bit  

p.s: I'll get back to the other issue on saturday.

 
Christians were looking at the end of the year 2000 for the coming of the Massiah but no one came to them. In the year 2001 september 11 some one else turns up.
 
 
 


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 1:44am

All Praises are for Allah (S)

I think I’ve finish with bush boy! It’s time to expose these televangelists. Just read what this writer has to say about televangelist Pastor John Hagee:  

 

 

Pastor Strange love

 

 

Texan John Hagee has a huge following, the ear of the White House, and a theory that an invasion of Iran was foretold in the Book of Esther.

Hagee calls pastors "the spiritual generals of America," an appropriate phrase given his reliance on them to rally their troops behind his message.

 

 

 

Link: http://www.americaslastdays.com/ - Unleavened Bread Ministries, Christian Broadcasting, America's Last Days

 

Clip:

Seated beside Lapin in the ornately gilded Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) studio was Pastor John Hagee, the author of an incendiary new book purporting to show that the Bible predicts a military confrontation with Iran. By then, Hagee's book, Jerusalem Countdown, had sold nearly 500,000 copies. It had occupied the No. 1 position on the Wal-Mart inspirational best-seller list, showed up on Wal-Mart's list of top 10 best sellers for seven weeks, and made the USA Today top 50 best-seller list for six weeks.

Hagee, who serves as head pastor of the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, hosts his own television program that is seen twice a day on TBN. He argues that the United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West. Shortly after the release of his book last January, he launched Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a lobbying organization intended, he says, to be a Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee. With CUFI, which Hagee has said will cause a "political earthquake," the televangelist aims to put the political organizing muscle of the conservative evangelical movement behind his grand plan for a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ…

 

Thanks to the viral marketing made possible by the hundreds of evangelical leaders who have signed on to his new organization, his warmongering has rippled through mega-churches across America for months.

Hagee calls pastors "the spiritual generals of America," an appropriate phrase given his reliance on them to rally their troops behind his message…

 

But Hagee the businessman -- along with friends like Hinn, Meyer, Parsley, and other TBN televangelists, including the network's top executives, Paul and Jan Crouch -- has come under fire for excessive compensation derived from his nonprofit ministries. According to his organization's tax returns, Hagee has earned more than $1 million annually since 1999 in salary and deferred compensation from his nonprofit Global Evangelism Television and Cornerstone Church. In 2004, the San Antonio News Express reported that he was the highest-paid nonprofit executive in that city; his pay was nearly twice that of the next best-paid executive.

 

For Hagee's new project, his influence in washington is probably less important than his influence over his audience. With the clout of his listeners, he can serve Bush administration hawks by firing up grass-roots support for a military strike against Iran. TBN has provided several opportunities for Hagee to promote his book on Praise the Lord, several installments of his own program, and a two-day appearance on Benny Hinn's show. Through the marketing efforts of Strang Communications, which placed national radio advertising spots for Jerusalem Countdown on The Sean Hannity Show, The O'Reilly Factor, and Janet Parshall's America, Hagee brought his Armageddon message to a wider conservative audience. His end-times theology is nothing new; countless numbers of self-proclaimed prophets of the end of the world have demanded attention since the beginning of time. The difference now is that TBN's relentless fund raising -- along with advances in digital and satellite broadcasting technology -- has permitted worldwide dissemination of his ominous predictions. Through TBN, other religious and conservative media, and the growing mega-churches, Hagee has turned his Bible-thumping not only into a multi-million dollar business, but into a pro-war movement as well…

 

While pundits and politicians in Washington debate the merits of confrontation with Tehran, Hagee and other evangelical leaders plan to activate hundreds of congregations across the country -- many of which boast tens of thousands of members -- to flood congressional inboxes with e-mails at the touch of a button. The message from the heartland, beyond the ken of elites who cannot quite imagine such a decision, will be to strike Iran before it is too late…

 

When addressing audiences receptive to Scriptural prophecy, however, Hagee welcomes the coming confrontation. He argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia's leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an "inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon." During his appearance on Hinn's program at the end of last March, for example, the host enthused, "We are living in the last days. These are the most exciting days in church history," but then went on to add, "We are facing now [the] most dangerous moment for America." At one point, Hinn clapped his hands in delight and shouted, "Yes! Glory!" and then urged his viewers to donate money faster because he is running out of time to preach the gospel.

The rhetoric in Hagee's book, and his discussion of it in Christian media outlets, is absolutist. He speaks not only of good against evil, believer against nonbeliever, Judeo-Christian civilization against Islamic civilization, but of an American-Israeli alliance against the rest of the world. He plays on conservative disdain for anything European, while promoting the Bush unilateralist mentality that has had catastrophic results in Iraq

 

In Hagee's telling, Israel has no choice but to strike at Iran's nuclear facilities, with or without America's help. The strike will provoke Russia -- which wants Persian Gulf oil -- to lead an army of Arab nations against Israel. Then God will wipe out all but one-sixth of the Russian-led army, as the world watches "with shock and awe," he says, lending either a divine quality to the Bush administration phrase or a Bush-like quality to God's wrath…

 

But Hagee doesn't stop there. He adds that Ezekiel predicts fire upon those who "live in security in the coastlands." From this sentence he concludes that there will be judgment upon all who stood by while the Russian-led force invaded Israel, and issues a stark warning to the United States to intervene: "Could it be that America, who refuses to defend Israel from the Russian invasion, will experience nuclear warfare on our east and west coasts?" He says yes, citing Genesis 12:3, in which God said to Israel: "I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you."

To fill the power vacuum left by God's decimation of the Russian army, the Antichrist -- identified by Hagee as the head of the European Union -- will rule "a one-world government, a one-world currency and a one-world religion" for three and a half years. (He adds that "one need only be a casual observer of current events to see that all three of these things are coming into reality.") The "demonic world leader" will then be confronted by a false prophet, identified by Hagee as China, at Armageddon, the Mount of Megiddo in Israel. As they prepare for the final battle, Jesus will return on a white horse and cast both villains -- and presumably any nonbelievers -- into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," thus marking the beginning of his millennial reign.

Now that's entertainment.

 

Sarah Posner, author of http://americanprospect.bookswelike.net/isbn/0979482216 -

 

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As the writer correctly described his message as “entertainment”, I would just like to address they prophesy that he mentioned in the book of http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel38-39&version=9 - Ezekiel 38 and 39 ; It’s all has to do with Gog and Magog.

“He argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia's leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an ‘inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon.’"

Gog and Magog will come to power at the end of the 7000 yrs, not at the beginning of the year 6000!

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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 1:53am
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Originally posted by Angel

Originally posted by truthnowcome

 

It is also true that people consider the book of revelation to be fulfilled in the end time because the calculate from the time of Adam (S) of the bible and the year 6000 end on year 2000 AD, where the Messiah suppose to be coming; but who turn up at the end of 2000 in the year 2001 is a different story that is why you cannot get it right!

When things started to change? September 11 2001!

I'm a bit confused with the bold bit  

p.s: I'll get back to the other issue on saturday.

 
Christians were looking at the end of the year 2000 for the coming of the Massiah but no one came to them. In the year 2001 september 11 some one else turns up. 
 
People seem to pick the beginning, but there is a period of time before the 7000th year ends Wink 
 
Someone else turns up, any ideas who ?


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 1:54am

 

It's all  here:

Gog and Magog will come to power at the end of the 7000 yrs, not at the beginning of the year 6000!

The fall of MODERN DAY BABYLON first:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-21&version=9 - Rev.19:19-21 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

  20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

  21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2018&version=9 - Revelation 18

 1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

 2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

 8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

 21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

 

After the fall of Modern Day Babylon, then 1000 yrs. after then Gog and Magog will rise.

It’s all in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020&version=9 - Revelation 20 :

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 2:06am
Originally posted by truthnowcome

“He argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia's leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an ‘inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon.’"

 
The day that anybody proclaims that any good is about to happen, that will be a miracle!!!!!! IT's ALL very doomsdayie, not one account have I come across that is positive Tongue 
 

To fill the power vacuum left by God's decimation of the Russian army, the Antichrist -- identified by Hagee as the head of the European Union -- will rule "a one-world government, a one-world currency and a one-world religion" for three and a half years. (He adds that "one need only be a casual observer of current events to see that all three of these things are coming into reality.") The "demonic world leader" will then be confronted by a false prophet, identified by Hagee as China, at Armageddon, the Mount of Megiddo in Israel. As they prepare for the final battle, Jesus will return on a white horse and cast both villains -- and presumably any nonbelievers -- into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," thus marking the beginning of his millennial reign.

Now that's entertainment.

From a prediction from someone I came across believes we are in the final 3 and half year, so what is mentioned should be happening now, but there is no one world gov't or religion or currency and it won't happen either. This person also believes that by the end of it 6 billion people will have persihed, well I don't see that happening not unless a big asteriod hits the planets.
 
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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 2:12am
I probably know but have forgotten, Modern Babylon, Is that suppose to be Iraq/Iran or some other place.

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 06 June 2008 at 8:01am
Originally posted by Angel

I probably know but have forgotten, Modern Babylon, Is that suppose to be Iraq/Iran or some other place.
 

I decided to open this thread once more at the countdown. 

Indeed Iraq was name Babylon but the scripture describe it (Babylon) as “Mystery” Babylon:

 MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:5&version=9 - Rev.17:5)

What this “mystery” is all about? Verse 7-9 gives the answer:

 And the angel said: “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman” (false church that great city) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:9-10&version=9 - (Rev.17:9-10)

 The seven head are seven Great City, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophesy was revealed and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire). Allah revealed to Muhamed (pubh) Q.30:2-4.

  The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)

The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christian (people of the Book) and defeated them. Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - Heracles defeated the Persian Empire in March 628 . After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur’an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - Rapid expansion of Islam ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople - Survival, 565–717 .

   After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a “new” Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - Pope Gregory the Great (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade - Crusaders   [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - (Empire) ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - west as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - Rev.17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 - Rev. 6:7-8   And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the “forth part” of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - west ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

  "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - 2 Thess. 2:3 NLT).

 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - 2 Thess2:4 KJV)

 
His Temple is Camp David! His Military seat:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20044.htm -  
 
New form of Colonization, make no mistake, the IMF is also a form of Colonization. The Devil moves into the Country and help the opposition to destabilize the country and run down the economy, then move in with IMF to COLONIZE from the out side (Modern Colonization).

 

DO NOT ALLOWE THE DEVIL TO TAKE HIS SEAT!!!!!!!!!!

 

  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-issues-threat-to-iraqs-50bn-foreign-reserves-in-military-deal-841407.html -

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080531_Pinning_the_blame_for_terror.html - Special Report: A Phila. law firm wages an epic legal battle to win billions from Saudi Arabia.

 Abu Hurayrah said: “The Prophet (S) said: ‘Woe to the Arabs from the great evil which is nearly approaching them: it will be like paches of dark night, A man will wake up as a believer, and be a kafir (unbilever) by   nightfall. People will sell their religion for a small amount of worldly good. The one who is cling to his religion on that day will be as one who is grasping an ember – thorns.(Ahamad, Musnad, 2/390)

 Abu Hurayrah said, “I heard the Prophet (S) saying to Thawban, ‘O Thawban, what will you do when the nations call one another to invade you as people call one another to come and eat from my bowl?’ Thewban said, ‘May my father and mother be sacrifices for you, O Messenger of Allah! Is it because we are so few? The Prophet (S) said, ‘No, that day you (Muslim) will be many, but Allah will put weakness (whan) in your hearts.’  The people asked, ‘What is that weakness, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, ‘It is love for this world and dislike of fighting.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 2/359)

The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

 The Prophet (pbuh) said: “…the jihad is everlasting from the time that Allah sent me to the time when the LAST PART OF MY UMMAH fight the Dajjal. The oppression of a TYRANT (SADDAM HUSSAIN) cannot destroy it nor the justice of the righteous leader…” [Abu Dawood (no. 2532)]

 
Anas ibn Malik said, “The Prophet (S) said,    ‘The time of the Dajjal will be years of CONFUSION. People will believe a LIAR, and DISTRUST  one who is TRUSTWORTHY, and TRUST the one who is TRENCHEROUS; and the RUWAYBIDA will  have a say.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the RUWAYBIDA?’ He said, ‘Those who rebel against Allah and will have a say in GENERAL AFFAIRS.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 3-220.)

 

“YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED”.

 The Prophet (S)  said:  “…Someone will cry, ‘O Muslims! The Dajjal is in your country, with your families’, and the people will leave the wealth. Anyone who takes notice will regret it and anyone who ignores it will regret it. The will ask, ‘Who shouted’ but they will not know who he is. They will say, ‘Send a vanguard to Ilya. If the Dajjal has appeared, YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED.’ So the will go and see, and if they see that every thing is normal, they will say, ‘No-one would give a shout like that for no reason, so let us go together and to Ilya.’ If we find the Dajjal there we will fight him together, until Allah decides between us and him. If we do not find the Dajjal, we will go back to our country and families. (Al-Haythami, Majma al-Fitan, 8-176)

 Abd Allah said, “…The Prophet (S) said, ‘We are a people of a Household for whom Allah has chosen the Hereafter rather than this world. The people of my Household (Ahl al-bayt) will suffer a great deal after my death, and will be persecuted until a people carrying black banner will come out of the EAST (AFGANISTAN). They will instruct the people to do good, but the people will refuse; they will fight until they are VICTORIOUS, and the people do as they ask, but they will not accept it from them until they hand over power to A MAN FROM MY HOUSEHOLD. Then the earth will filled with fairness, just as it had been filled with injustice. If any of you live to see this, you should GO TO HIM EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO CRAWLED ACROSS ICE.’” (Ibn Majah, ibid., Hadith 4082)

 Thawban said, “The Prophet {S} said, ‘Three men will be killed at the place where your tresure (oil) is. Each  of them will be the son of a Khalifah, and non of them will get hold of the treasure (oil). Then the black banners will come out of the EAST (AFGANISTAN), and they will slaughter you in a way which has never been seen before.’ Then he said something which I can’t remember; then, ‘If you see him, GO AND GIVE YOUR ALLEGIANCE, even if you have to crawl over ice, because he is the KALIFAH of Allah, The Mahdi.’” (Ibn Majah, op. cit., (Hadith 3088)

 

 Is there any one from the EAST (AFGANISTAN) who is calling for ONE Caliphate? I remember the General said: “If you destroy their economy you destroy their military He is waging an economic war while the Devil is waging a Military war’ I also remember they said: “they will bleed them to death” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19443.htm - The True Cost Of War

 
Is this true: 
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7202.htm -  

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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 07 June 2008 at 12:27am
haven't forgotten about this thread. I do plan to come back to it :)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 August 2008 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by Angel

haven't forgotten about this thread. I do plan to come back to it :)
 
Just to keep u updated:
 
U.S. Headed Toward Bankruptcy, Says Top Budget Committee Republican
Monday, August 04, 2008
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief
 
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=33574 - http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=33574
 
 
 

 So http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel8:23&version=9 - “And in the later (which is now) of there Kingdom, when the transgressors (CRUSADERS) are come to the full, a KING OF FIERCE COUNTENANCE, and understanding dark sentences, shall standup.”

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%208.24-25&version=9 - His POWER shall be MIGHTY, but not by his own power (By the Power of U.N.): and he shall "DISTROY WONDERFULLY", and shall PROSPER, and practice, and shall DISTROY the MIGHTY and the HOLY PEOPLE (MUSLIMS).

 

“and by ‘PEACE’ shall DESTROY MENY”

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%208:25&version=9 - And through his (FOREIGN) “POLICY” also he shall cause craft to prosper in “HIS LAND” (trough World Trade); and he shall magnify himself in his heart (Rev.18:7…I sit as a Queen, and am no widow, and shall see NO SORROW), and by "PEACE" shall DESTROY MENY He shall also stand up against the Prince of Peace; but he shall be broken without hand.

Who is calling for "PEACE" by the means of WAR? THE CRUSADERS! They fit the profile. 

( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:11-14&version=9 - ) And the beast…he is the eight…and goeth into PERDITION…V.14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and Lamb shall overcome them….

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - NLT).

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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 11 August 2008 at 8:26am
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Originally posted by Angel

haven't forgotten about this thread. I do plan to come back to it :)
 
Just to keep u updated:
 
 
funny, i've been thinking about this thread recently, and here you are made a post - freaky LOL
 
I kinda lost my mojo for this topic but I've not abandon it even thou it may seem so.
 
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Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 11 August 2008 at 9:15am

Seven seals open into the blowing of seven trumpets, then into seven plagues. There are seven lampstands, seven stars, seven thunders, and many other things by sevens, evidently because the number seven here represents completeness, and the book deals with the completion of the sacred secret of God.—Re 10:7;

 
The Seven Thunders

John’s contemplation of this strong angel is interrupted by the angel himself: "And he [the angel] cried out with a loud voice just as when a lion roars. And when he cried out, the seven thunders uttered their own voices." (Revelation 10:3) Such a powerful shout would catch John’s attention, confirming that Jesus is truly "the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah." (Revelation 5:5) John would also be aware that Jehovah, too, is sometimes said to "roar." Jehovah’s roaring prophetically heralds the regathering of spiritual Israel and the coming of the destructive "day of Jehovah." (Hosea 11:10; Joel 3:14, 16; Amos 1:2; 3:7, 8) Clearly, then, the lionlike cry of this strong angel forebodes similar great events for the sea and the earth. It calls on the seven thunders to speak.

 
John has previously heard thunders proceeding from the very throne of Jehovah. (Revelation 4:5) Back in David’s day, literal thunder was at times spoken of as "the voice of Jehovah." (Psalm 29:3) When Jehovah audibly proclaimed his purpose to glorify his own name in the days of Jesus’ earthly ministry, to many it sounded like thunder. (John 12:28, 29) Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that the ‘voices of the seven thunders’ are Jehovah’s own expression of his purposes. The fact that there were "seven" thunders suggests the completeness of what John heard.
 
 
The Worthy One

Yes, there is someone able to open the scroll! John relates: "But one of the elders says to me: ‘Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.’" (Revelation 5:5) So John, dry those tears! The John class and their loyal companions today have also endured decades of severe trials while waiting patiently for enlightenment. What a comforting reward we now have in understanding the vision, and what a privilege to share in its fulfillment by proclaiming its message to others!

 
Ah, "the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah"! John is familiar with the prophecy that Jacob, ancestor of the Jewish race, pronounced concerning his fourth son, Judah: "A lion cub Judah is. From the prey, my son, you will certainly go up. He bowed down, he stretched himself out like a lion and, like a lion, who dares rouse him? The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong." (Genesis 49:9, 10) The royal line of God’s people stemmed from Judah. Starting with David, all the kings who ruled in Jerusalem until the Babylonians destroyed that city were Judah’s descendants. But not one of them was the Shiloh prophesied by Jacob. Shiloh means "He Whose [Right] It Is." Prophetically, this name pointed to Jesus, the one to whom the Davidic Kingdom now permanently belongs.—Ezekiel 21:25-27; Luke 1:32, 33; Revelation 19:16.
 
John quickly recognizes the reference to "the root of David." The promised Messiah is prophetically called both "a twig out of the stump of Jesse [father of King David] . . . a sprout" and "the root of Jesse that will be standing up as a signal for the peoples." (Isaiah 11:1, 10) Jesus was a twig of Jesse, being born into the royal line of David, son of Jesse. Further, as a root of Jesse, he was the One that caused the Davidic dynasty to sprout again, giving it life and sustenance forever.—2 Samuel 7:16.
 
Jesus preeminently is the one who, as a perfect human, served Jehovah in integrity and under excruciating trials. He supplied the complete answer to Satan’s challenge. (Proverbs 27:11) Thus, he could say as he did on the night before his sacrificial death, "I have conquered the world." (John 16:33) For this reason, Jehovah entrusted the resurrected Jesus with "all authority . . . in heaven and on the earth." He alone of all servants of God is qualified to receive the scroll, with a view to making known its momentous message.—Matthew 28:18.
 
 
It is appropriate, indeed, that Jesus should open the scroll. Since 1914 he has been enthroned as King of God’s Messianic Kingdom, and that scroll reveals so much concerning the Kingdom and what it will accomplish. Jesus faithfully bore witness to Kingdom truth while he was here on earth. (John 18:36, 37) He taught his followers to pray for the coming of the Kingdom. (Matthew 6:9, 10) He initiated the preaching of the good news of the Kingdom at the beginning of the Christian era and prophesied the culmination of that preaching work during the time of the end. (Matthew 4:23; Mark 13:10) It is likewise appropriate that one of the 24 elders should reveal to John that Jesus is the one to open the seals. Why? Because these elders sit on thrones and wear crowns, being joint heirs with Christ in his Kingdom.—Romans 8:17; Revelation 4:4.


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 10:51pm

Robin

 

 

All Praises for Allah (S).

 

Peace to all!

 

Sorry again, my pc was down so I decided to take a leave for Ramadhan, but as usual, as long it is up and running I always give you guys a spot check!

 

 Robin, I will not answer u on what is God’s name; I was thinking of addressing it from this angle. It is good that u replied to this thread. I will deal with it point by point!

Originally posted by robin

Seven seals open into the blowing of seven trumpets, then into seven plagues. There are seven lampstands, seven stars, seven thunders, and many other things by sevens, evidently because the number seven here represents completeness, and the book deals with the completion of the sacred secret of God.—Re 10:7;

Good try! However, let me take u back to Isaiah so we can start first by hearing some answer from you.

It is mentioned in http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm - 11 And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I am unable, for it is sealed up”; 12 and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I do not know writing at all.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - book that is SEALED…And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Greek: http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 -

Who fulfilled that prophesy?

 

Muhammad (S) did:

History of Muhammad (S) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammads_first_revelation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_first_revelation

Clip:

Muhammad's wife Aishah, later gave the following narration of that most significant event in the Muhammad's life:

"Forerunners of the Revelation assumed the form of true visions that would strikingly come true all the time. After that, solitude became dear to him and he would go to the cave, Hira, to engage in devotion there for a certain number of nights before returning to his family, and then he would return for provisions for a similar stay. At length, unexpectedly, the Truth (the angel) came to him and said, "Recite." "I cannot recite," he (Muhammad) said.

Muhammad himself described: "Then he took me and squeezed me vehemently and then let me go and repeated the order 'Recite.' 'I cannot recite' said I, and once again he squeezed me and let me till I was exhausted. Then he said, 'Recite.' I said, 'I cannot recite.' He squeezed me for a third time and then let me go and said:

Arabic Text: بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
Translation: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Arabic Text: اقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ
Translation: Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth Quran: 96:1

Arabic Text: خَلَقَ الْإِنسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍ
Translation: Createth man from a clot. Quran: 96:2

Arabic Text: اقْرَأْ وَرَبُّكَ الْأَكْرَمُ
Translation: Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Quran: 96:3

Arabic Text: الَّذِي عَلَّمَ بِالْقَلَمِ
Translation: Who teacheth by the pen, Quran: 96:4

Arabic Text: عَلَّمَ الْإِنسَانَ مَا لَمْ يَعْلَمْ
Translation: Teacheth man that which he knew not. Quran: 96:5

 

It’s all about a “SEAL BOOK”

11 And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up,

 
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Posted By: Nazarene
Date Posted: 11 September 2008 at 4:22pm

my beloved, here is some more thoughts on the book called  " revelation." from the( qumrun scrolls  dates  150 b.c.e. give or take. )

http://essene.com/GospelOfPeace/FromEnochToDeadSeaScrolls.html - http://essene.com/GospelOfPeace/FromEnochToDeadSeaScrolls.html
 
http://essene.com/GospelOfPeace/EsseneRevelation.htm - http://essene.com/GospelOfPeace/EsseneRevelation.htm
 
Original Hebrew and Aramaic  Texts Translated and edited by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

Essene Revelation

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Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 12 September 2008 at 4:53am
Originally posted by truthnowcome

Robin

Good try! However, let me take u back to Isaiah so we can start first by hearing some answer from you.

It is mentioned in http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm - 11 And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I am unable, for it is sealed up”; 12 and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I do not know writing at all.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - book that is SEALED…And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Greek: http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 -

Who fulfilled that prophesy?

Muhammad (S) did:

 
Context shows you miss the true meaning buy miles:-
 
 

Spiritually drunk, these leaders are unable to discern the import of the vision given to Jehovah’s true prophet. Isaiah states: “Upon you men Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep; and he closes your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered even your heads, the visionaries. And for you men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: ‘Read this out loud, please,’ and he has to say: ‘I am unable, for it is sealed up’; and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, somebody saying: ‘Read this out loud, please,’ and he has to say: ‘I do not know writing at all.’”—Isaiah 29:10-12.

 

Judah’s religious leaders profess to be spiritually discreet, but they have left Jehovah. They teach instead their own twisted ideas of right and wrong, justifying their faithless and immoral activities and their leading the people into God’s disfavor. By means of “something wonderful”—his ‘strange deed’—Jehovah will call them to account for their hypocrisy. He says: “For the reason that this people have come near with their mouth, and they have glorified me merely with their lips, and they have removed their heart itself far away from me, and their fear toward me becomes men’s commandment that is being taught, therefore here I am, the One that will act wonderfully again with this people, in a wonderful manner and with something wonderful; and the wisdom of their wise men must perish, and the very understanding of their discreet men will conceal itself.” (Isaiah 29:13, 14) Judah’s self-styled wisdom and understanding will perish when Jehovah maneuvers things for her entire apostate religious system to be wiped out by the Babylonian World Power. The same thing happened in the first century after the self-styled wise leaders of the Jews led the nation astray. Something similar will happen in our own day to Christendom.—Matthew 15:8, 9; Romans 11:8.

 

However, there is salvation for individuals who exercise faith. (Read Isaiah 29:17-24; compare Luke 7:22.) “Deaf ones” will “hear the words of the book,” the message from God’s Word. Yes, this is not a healing of physical deafness. It is a spiritual healing. Isaiah once again points forward to the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom and the restoration of true worship on earth by the Messiah’s rule. This has taken place in our time, and millions of sincere ones are allowing themselves to be corrected by Jehovah and are learning to praise him. What a thrilling fulfillment! Ultimately, the day will come when everyone, every breathing thing, will praise Jehovah and sanctify his holy name.—Psalm 150:6.

 
What do such “deaf ones” who hear God’s Word today learn? That all Christians, especially those to whom the congregation looks as examples, must scrupulously avoid ‘going astray because of intoxicating liquor.’ (Isaiah 28:7) Further, we must never tire of hearing God’s reminders, which help us to have a spiritual viewpoint of all things. While Christians are properly subject to governmental authorities and look to them to provide certain services, salvation comes, not from the secular world, but from Jehovah God. Also, we must never forget that like the judgment on apostate Jerusalem, God’s judgment on this generation is inescapable. With Jehovah’s help we can continue to proclaim his warning despite opposition, as did Isaiah.—Isaiah 28:14, 22; Matthew 24:34; Romans 13:1-4.

 



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 12 September 2008 at 10:35pm

Originally posted by robin

Originally posted by truthnowcome

Robin

Good try! However, let me take u back to Isaiah so we can start first by hearing some answer from you.

It is mentioned in http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm - 11 And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I am unable, for it is sealed up”; 12 and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I do not know writing at all.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - book that is SEALED…And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Greek: http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 -

Who fulfilled that prophesy?

Muhammad (S) did:

Context shows you miss the true meaning buy miles:-

Spiritually drunk, these leaders are unable to discern the import of the vision given to Jehovah’s true prophet. Isaiah states: “Upon you men Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep; and he closes your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered even your heads, the visionaries. And for you men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: ‘Read this out loud, please,’ and he has to say: ‘I am unable, for it is sealed up’; and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, somebody saying: ‘Read this out loud, please,’ and he has to say: ‘I do not know writing at all.’”—Isaiah 29:10-12.

I didn’t think so my friend! Let’s take another look and see who realy is missing the true meaning.

 

Who God Almighty poured a spirit of deep sleep on and close their eyes? I have insert brickets:

Isaiah states: For upon YOU (the Jews) men Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep; and he closes YOUR (the Jews) eyes, the prophets (of the jew’s), and he has covered even YOUR heads (the ruler), the visionaries (of the Jew’s). (Isaiah 29:10 NWT)

 For the LORD hath poured out upon you (the Jews) the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your (the Jews) eyes: the prophets (of the Jew’s), and your rulers (of the Jew’s), the seers (of the Jew’s). hath he covered.”  (Isaiah 29:10 KJV)

 You see! God Almighty has poured a spirit of deep sleep and closed the eyes of the Prophets, the rulers and the seer of the Jew’s - Three categories of people. At that Junction Prophet Hood ended for the Jews.

 Same thing he said in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2028:1-2&version=9 - Isaiah.28:2 when the “Mighty Strong One” will come: “But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet” are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2028:7-9&version=9 - Isaiah.28:7-9

 

Why? You give the answer here:

 

Originally posted by robin

 

Judah’s religious leaders profess to be spiritually discreet, but they have left Jehovah. They teach instead their own twisted ideas of right and wrong, justifying their faithless and immoral activities and their leading the people into God’s disfavor. By means of “something wonderful”—his ‘strange deed’—Jehovah will call them to account for their hypocrisy. He says: “For the reason that this people have come near with their mouth, and they have glorified me merely with their lips, and they have removed their heart itself far away from me, and their fear toward me becomes men’s commandment that is being taught, therefore here I am, the One that will act wonderfully again with this people, in a wonderful manner and with something wonderful; and the wisdom of their wise men must perish, and the very understanding of their discreet men will conceal itself.” (Isaiah 29:13, 14) Judah’s self-styled wisdom and understanding will perish when Jehovah maneuvers things for her entire apostate religious system to be wiped out by the Babylonian World Power. The same thing happened in the first century after the self-styled wise leaders of the Jews led the nation astray. Something similar will happen in our own day to Christendom.—Matthew 15:8, 9; Romans 11:8.

You didn’t say “how” Jehovah will maneuver things! How God Almighty will do that? By sending the “seal book” to an iliterate Prophet!

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - book that is SEALED. (KJV)and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I do not know writing at all.” (Isaiah 29:12)

  It is mentioned in Qur’an that Muhammad (S) was that  illiterate Messenger and was prophesy in the bible: Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they fiend mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat {Torah} and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q.7:157).

And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

When that “seal book” come what will happen: Isaiah 29: 14 “Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”

What Jesus (S) said? Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - Matt.21:42 )

  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

 If you reject Jesus (pbuh) you reject his message, and the stone “represent his message” and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (pbuh) is not “marvelous in our eyes,” His message does, and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail.

  http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+21%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&oq=mt%252021%3A43&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=mt&ng=21&ncc=21 -   And that nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham’s (pubh) seeds.

  And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - Genesis 17:20 )

  

 

Some Quotes from the Qur’an, Allah (S) said:

 There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q.3:78)

 Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge. (Q.3:71)

 Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee… (Q.5:47-48)

 And whoever contradicts and apposes the Messenger [Muhamed (pbuh)] after the right path has been shown clearly to him. And follows other others than the believers’ way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in hell – what an evil destination! (N.Q.4:115)

 …And say to the People of the Book…“Do ye (also) submit yourselves?” If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah’s sight are (all) His servants. (Q.3:20)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 12:40am

 

 Hi Br. Robin, I guess you relaize that what I am saying is Fact! And remenber I said: “I will deal with point by point.” So I will move on.

 


I break it down a little more: Isaiah 29:11 “ And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:”

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Point (1) Isaiah is having a vision of a "book that is seal"

(2) when that "seal book" is given to some "one who is learned" they would not "understand it."

To understand the Qur’an we have to use the explanation of Muhammad’s (S). It is mentioned in the Qur’an:

 

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah4.html - Qur’an113.  Had not the Grace of Allâh and His Mercy been upon you (O Muhammad ), a party of them would certainly have made a decision to mislead you, but (in fact) they mislead none except their own selves, and no harm can they do to you in the least. Allâh has sent down to you the Book (The Qur'ân), and AlHikmah (Islâmic laws, knowledge of legal and illegal things i.e. the Prophet's Sunnah - legal ways), and taught you that which you knew not. And Ever Great is the Grace of Allâh unto you (O Muhammad ).

 

  You see that! Allah (S) has sent down “two things” the "book and wisdom" and He taught Muhammad (S) what he didn’t Knew before.

 

  Commenting on this verse Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee's said: "Allah has mentioned that 'the book' (Al-Kitaab) which is the Quran and he mentioned 'The wisdom' (al- Hikmah) and I have learnt from the people of knowledgr that  'al- hikmah' is the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger (S).........."
 
Now,  Allah said in http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah16.html - Quran16:64 And we have revealed the Book (al-kitaab) unto thee only that thou mayst "explain" unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.

Exacly as Isaiah prophesy! With out the explanations (The Sunnah) “the one learned” would not understand it.

 

(3) "AND" the book is given to someone who is not learned.

(4) And he would say: "I am not learned."


   The Book of Revelation chapter 10 mentioned the "coming of another “Seal Book” which John did not write."

Originally posted by robin

Seven seals open into the blowing of seven trumpets, then into seven plagues. There are seven lampstands, seven stars, seven thunders, and many other things by sevens, evidently because the number seven here represents completeness, and the book deals with the completion of the sacred secret of God.—Re 10:7;

 

 What completeness you are talking about? The completeness will only happen when that “Seal Book” would have reveal. Let me eaplain:

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2010&version=9 - REVELATION 10

  Rev.1-And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven. (V.1)

  Point 1: Another Mighty Angel: It is Gabriel (s) the messenger of Allah who brought the message to and from Allah.

   Point 2: He had in his hand a "little book open" 2: And he had in his hand a little book open:

  Point 3: Seven thunders uttered their voice: something was revealing: 3...And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice.

  Point 4: John was about to write what was revealing: 4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, “I was about to write”:

  Point 5: and he heard a voice: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, “and write them not”. (Rev.10:4)  The angel brought the little book and John was order “not to write down the message in that book,” because the time was not right. “So it is not the bible,” because the bible is a “written book” and it (the bible) is telling us about “another little book.”

  Which book is that? 

Originally posted by robin

The Worthy One

Yes, there is someone able to open the scroll! John relates: "But one of the elders says to me: ‘Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.’" (Revelation 5:5) So John, dry those tears! The John class and their loyal companions today have also endured decades of severe trials while waiting patiently for enlightenment. What a comforting reward we now have in understanding the vision, and what a privilege to share in its fulfillment by proclaiming its message to others!

 You have mistaken that Book for the one that mentioned in Rev.5:1 “… A Book written within and on the back side, sealed with seven seals.” That Book is already written and every time a seal open a certain event takes place. Example:

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206:1-2&version=9 - : and he went forth “conquering,” and to “conquer.”

  The advent of Muhammad (pbuh): Habakkuk. 3:16…when he (The Holy one from Mount Paran) cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.

   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 - Rev. 6:7-8   And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the west), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 On the other hand the one in Rev.10:2-4, John was about to write and he heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up those thing…and write them not.” So when this Book will reveal some one will have to be there to write it down.

 

  7-But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall “begin to sound:” the mystery of God should finish” as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev.10:7)

  Point 6: In the days when this little book shall revealall the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).” The book was never written according to John: “seal up those things…and write them not.”

Point 7: And this is what Jesus (pbuh) said: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now…he will guide you into all truth... (John.16:12-13) 

  Point 8:  Therefore the Spirit of Truth which is the Comforter would have to bring this little book which contains all the truth. 

  Point 9: And in 10:2-4 it says: John was about to write… So when this Book will reveal “some one” will have to be there to write the message down.”

 10-And I (John) took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and eat it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. (Rev.10:10)

  Point 10: We know that John did not eat the book, he read the book and the truth was sweet but practicing the law was bitter.

 11-And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many people, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev.10:11)

  Point 11: Why prophesy again? Because he had already went, so he has to go back again to inform them about the coming of the universal book that he did not wrote.

 Allah (S) said: “We have not sent thee but as a (universal messenger) to all mankind…but most of mankind knew not.”  (Q.34:28)

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 15 September 2008 at 7:36pm

Originally posted by robin

  However, there is salvation for individuals who exercise faith. (Read Isaiah 29:17-24; compare Luke 7:22.) “Deaf ones” will “hear the words of the book,” the message from God’s Word. Yes, this is not a healing of physical deafness. It is a spiritual healing. Isaiah once again points forward to the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom and the restoration of true worship on earth by the Messiah’s rule. This has taken place in our time, and millions of sincere ones are allowing themselves to be corrected by Jehovah and are learning to praise him. What a thrilling fulfillment! Ultimately, the day will come when everyone, every breathing thing, will praise Jehovah and sanctify his holy name.—Psalm 150:6. 

 

Sure the “Deaf ones” will “hear the word of the (Seal) book!”

 

  I do hope Inshallah (God willing) the message reach home! Quotes from the Qur’an, Allah (S) said in Qur’an:

 

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah61.html - Qur’an 61:6-9

 

6. And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allâh unto you confirming the Taurât [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad ) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."

 

7. And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against Allâh while he is being invited to Islâm? And Allâh guides not the people who are, Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers) folk.

 

8. They intend to put out the Light of Allâh (i.e. the religion of Islâm, this Qur'ân, and Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths. But Allâh will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it).

 

9. He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâmic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh and in His Messenger Muhammed ) hate (it).

 

 Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled of (his own) desire. It is no les than inspiration sent down to him: He was taught by one Mighty in Power. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah53.html - Q.53:2-5 )

 From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah5.html - Q.5:14 )

O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah4.html - Q.4:47 )

 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not Allah hath power over all things?  ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah2.html - Q.2:106

   O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah5.html - Q.5:15 )

 …So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed {S} and the message he brought]. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah3.html - Q.3:50 )

 Verily this Qur’an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q.17:9)

 

 …And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians” Because among these are men devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah5.html - Q.5:82 )

 Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah16.html - Q.16:125 )

 And those who are firmly grounded with knowledge say: “We believe in it (the Qur’an); the whole of it (clear and unclear verses) are from our Lord:” and none will grasp the message except men of understanding. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah3.html - Q.3:7 )

 The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)…But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. (Q.3:19)

 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Q.3:85)

 …And say to the People of the Book…“Do ye (also) submit yourselves?” If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah’s sight are (all) His servants. (Q.3:20)

 Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book is a portion that stand (for the right)…they rehearse the Sign of Allah all night long… (Q.3:113)

 Narrated Abu Burdah’s father: Allah’s Messenger (S) said, “…if any man of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) believes in his own Prophet and then believes in me [Muhamed (pbuh)] too, he will (also) get a double reward… [Sahih Al Bukari, 7/5083 (O.P.20)]                                                                            

  The day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its Faith. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah6.html - Q.6:158 )

 Narrated Abu Hurairah {R}: Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) said, “The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the earth, will have faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before.” [Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6/4635 (O.P.159)]

 (Q.39:53-54)  Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah39.html - 39:054 ) "Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped.

 …Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah17.html - Q.17:81 )

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 22 September 2008 at 12:07am

Originally posted by robin

  However, there is salvation for individuals who exercise faith. (Read Isaiah 29:17-24; compare Luke 7:22.) “Deaf ones” will “hear the words of the book,” the message from God’s Word. Yes, this is not a healing of physical deafness. It is a spiritual healing. Isaiah once again points forward to the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom and the restoration of true worship on earth by the Messiah’s rule. This has taken place in our time, and millions of sincere ones are allowing themselves to be corrected by Jehovah and are learning to praise him. What a thrilling fulfillment! Ultimately, the day will come when everyone, every breathing thing, will praise Jehovah and sanctify his holy name.—Psalm 150:6. 

 
 With the coming of the Qur'an!
 
 

 This is what the Bible book of Daniel’s says:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel12:4&version=9 - seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel12:9-10&version=9 - sealed till the time of the end.

 

Daniel12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

Coming of that “seal book” that mentioned in Revelation 10 is the “key” to unlock all the scriptures at the end time.

 (Rev.10:7)-But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall “begin to sound:” the mystery of God should finish” as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev.10:7)

  In the days when this little book shall revealall the mystery (all the truth) of God will finish (revealed).” The book was never written according to John: “seal up those things…and write them not.”

All the truth with the coming of the Qur’an:

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah16.html - … And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to Allâh as Muslims).

  He (S) was the illiterate Messenger that mentioned in the bible: Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they fiend mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q.7:157).

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah29.html - In that case, indeed, the followers of falsehood might have doubted.

 

49.Nay, but they, the clear Ayât [i.e the description and the qualities of Prophet Muhammad  written like verses in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] are preserved in the breasts of those who have been given knowledge (from the people of the Scriptures). And none but the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) deny Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).

 

 

 

 

Link: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html -  Allah (S) says in the Quran: "Verily in that are Signs for those who are wise.”
[Al-Qur’an 30:24]

  The likeness of those who take Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) other than Allâh is as the likeness of a spider, who builds (for itself) a house, but verily, the frailest (weakest) of houses is the spider's house; if they but knew.

42. Verily, Allâh knows what things they invoke instead of Him. He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

43. And these similitudes We put forward for mankind, but none will understand them except those who have knowledge (of Allâh and His Signs, etc.). http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah29.html -  

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2016:10&version=9 - And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

 

   Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:14&version=9 -

 

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel12:9-10&version=9 - none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

 

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah59.html -   Had We sent down this Qur'ân on a mountain, you would surely have seen it humbling itself and rending asunder by the fear of Allâh. Such are the parables which We put forward to mankind that they may reflect .

 

22. He is Allâh, than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen (open). He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

 

23. He is Allâh than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allâh! (High is He) above all that they associate as partners with Him.

 

24. He is Allâh, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names . All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

 

 

  O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… (Q.4:47)

   …So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (pbuh)] his message he brought]. (N.Q.3:50)

   And glorify Him (Allah) morning and evening. (Q.33:42)

   Verily this Qur’an doth guide to that which is most right… (Q17:9)

   When he, the Sprit of Truth (the Comforter), is come, he will guide you into all truth. (John.16:13)

 …Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 24 September 2008 at 12:24am

Originally posted by truthnowcome

   When he, the Sprit of Truth (the Comforter), is come, he will guide you into all truth. (John.16:13)

 …Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

Salaam to all!

Hello my friend Robin! I guess this stuff is too heavy for you! I have up dated “who is the Comforter” which I will release as the days progresses Inshallah (If is Allah's (S) wills), beginning with “What is or who is the Holy Spirit”  

  In Qur’an Allah (S) commanded the prophet (S) true Gabriel: “Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-“ (Qur’an 2:9)

Qul man kana AAaduwwan lijibreela fainnahu nazzalahu AAala qalbika biithni Allahi musaddiqan lima bayna yadayhi wahudan wabushra lilmumineena

  Who brought the revelation? Gabriel (S)! In the verse below Gabriel (S) was call the “Holy Spirit”: “Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Qur’an16:102)

Qul nazzalahu roohu alqudusi min rabbika bialhaqqi liyuthabbita allatheena amanoo wahudan wabushra lilmuslimeena

The word used there for “Holy Spirit” is roohu alqudus”

 

  The bible says the same thing: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201:26-27&version=9 - And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,  27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%201:18&version=9 - Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Gabriel (S) is the “Holy Ghost” and the Holy Ghost is the “Holy Spirit”.

 

 In the Greek Septuagint O.T. (LXX) pneuma (spirit), in Hebrew Ruah (Spirit) and in Arabic Rooh (Spirit).

 

  However, there is a difference between “Rooh-alqudus’ and the “Rooh”. The word “Rooh” translated as “Spirit” where else the word “Rooh-alqudus” translates as “Holy Spirit” in the Qur’an and always refers to Gabriel (S) as I have explained above in Qur’an 2:9 and 16:102.

  Here it says in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew1:20&version=9 - But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 In Qur’an it says: “And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples”.

Waallatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feeha min roohina wajaAAalnaha waibnaha ayatan lilAAalameena (Qur’an 21:91)

 Here also: “And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).” (Qur’an 66:12)

Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena

 

  Jesus (S) was described as a Spirit proceeding from Allah (Ruhun minhu): “…Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His word (BE), which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Roohun minhu)(Q.4:171)     

Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu

  In this verse Gabriel (S) was addressed as Rooh: She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. (Qur’an 19:17)

Faittakhathat min doonihim hijaban faarsalna ilayha roohana fatamaththala laha basharan sawiyyan

 

  Nevertheless, it is very clear that Allah (S) has breathed his Spirit (min-Rooh) into Mary (S) by way of Gabriel (S). Allah (S) did no breath Gabriel (S) into her. Same thing happen at the creation of man: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (Qur’an 32:9)

Thumma sawwahu wanafakha feehi min roohihi wajaAAala lakumu alssamAAa waalabsara waalafidata qaleelan ma tashkuroona

 Also here, He Allah (S) said: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." (Qur’an 38:72)

Faitha sawwaytuhu wanafakhtu feehi min roohee faqaAAoo lahu sajideena

 

   Here Allah (S) strengthens Jesus (S) with “Rooh-alqudus [Gabriel (S)]”: Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit… (Qur’an 5:110)

Ith qala Allahu ya AAeesa ibna maryama othkur niAAmatee AAalayka waAAala walidatika ith ayyadtuka biroohi alqudusi

  We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit… (Qur’an 2:87)  

Walaqad atayna moosa alkitaba waqaffayna min baAAdihi bialrrusuli waatayna AAeesa ibna maryama albayyinati waayyadnahu biroohi alqudusi (Qur’an 2:87)

 

  Allah (S) also strengthen the Believers (Muslims) with his spirit (min rooh): Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah (Hezbullah). Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Success.” (Qur’an 58:22)

La tajidu qawman yuminoona biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri yuwaddoona man hadda Allaha warasoolahu walaw kanoo abaahum aw abnaahum aw ikhwanahum aw AAasheeratahum olaika kataba fee quloobihimu aleemana waayyadahum biroohin minhu wayudkhiluhum jannatin tajree min tahtiha alanharu khalideena feeha radiya Allahu AAanhum waradoo AAanhu olaika hizbu Allahi ala inna hizba Allahi humu almuflihoona

 

  And Allah (S) said he: “Raised high above ranks (or degrees), (He is) the Lord of the Throne (of Authority): by His Command doth He send the spirit (of inspiration) to any of His servants he pleases, that it may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting,” (Qur’an 40:15)

RafeeAAu alddarajati thoo alAAarshi yulqee alrrooha min amrihi AAala man yashao min AAibadihi liyunthira yawma alttalaqi

 But he Allah (S) also said when: They ask thee concerning the spirit (of inspiration). Say: ‘The spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)’" (Qur’an 17:85)

Wayasaloonaka AAani alrroohi quli alrroohu min amri rabbee wama ooteetum mina alAAilmi illa qaleelan

 All the verses are self explained above and all spirits that proceeded from Allah (S) are holy (Holy Spirits).

 

 Let us examine the bible and see how many spirits God Almighty has. It is mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%204:5-6&version=9 - Rev.4:5 “And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.”

Rev.4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

What are these eyes? They represented Spirits: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%205:6&version=9 - Rev.5:6 …and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%204:8&version=9 - Rev.4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

So we can see God Almighty has Spirits by the thousands!

  This is what Allah (S) said: “The Day that the spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.” (Qur’an 78:38)

Yawma yaqoomu alrroohu waalmalaikatu saffan la yatakallamoona illa man athina lahu alrrahmanu waqala sawaban (Qur’an 78:38)

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 25 September 2008 at 10:17am
 

 With the above explanation we can go straight into the topic. In http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A26&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A26&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - John 14:26  it is mentioned:  Butt the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost... Here, the bible we understand that the “Comforter” is the “Holy Spirit.” However, in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25202%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=2&ncc=2 -  it read: “...we have an ADVOCATE with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” Jesus was also call “Comforter.” The word used there for both is “Paracletos” which translated as “Comforter, Advocate, etc.” So we have now, Jesus (S) as a “Comforter” and the Holy Spirit as the “Comforter,” that is two now!

 

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  After said that, now, let’s look at John http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A16&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A16&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - 14:16-17 . Jesus (S) said: “…I will pray to the father, and he shall give you "ANOTHER" Comforter (Paracletos: advocate, Comforter, Councillor) that he may abide with you for ever. Even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

   In this verse, the key word is "ANOTHER". If something is already with you how can we call it “ANOTHER” when it is already with you, can we? As the verse continues it read: Even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you’ and shall be in you.

   You see that? It said:  “for he dwelleth with you” meaning it is already with them. So “Another Comforter” here is not the Spirit of Truth that is already with them, it is referring to someone that is not there. Jesus (S) himself is a Comforter: http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25202%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=2&ncc=2 - “...we have an ADVOCATE with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” And he is telling them about “another one.” What does another mean? It cannot be the same thing; it has to be another like the same thing. Jesus (S) is the “first” Comforter; then the “other”: The one to follow must be of “like nature” or we can say, theAnother Comforter” like Jesus (S) who is a Comforter and the Comforter which “dwelleth with them and shall be in them” it was two personalities.

  But the point Christians are missing here is, where the “Another Comforter” would come from.

   We can ask Jesus (S)! He said in John http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A16&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A16&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14 - - 14:16-17 : “…I will pray to the ‘father’, and ‘he’ shall give you Another Comforter’…” They miss that very important point; this “Comforter” has to come from the “Father!” Jesus (S) conform it in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+16%3A7&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252016%3A7&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=16&ncc=16 - He said: “Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that ‘I go’ for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+16%3A7&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252016%3A7&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=16&ncc=16 - - John 16:7 )

  This would mean that the comforter was with the Father in Heaven and when he goes to the Father in Heaven then he will send him. We cannot say Jesus (S) will send himself, which is foolish because Jesus (S) is not there with the Father in Heaven when he was talking to the disciples. The “Another Comforter” is in Heaven with the Father, Jesus (S) mentioned it in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 :  “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is ‘IN’ heaven.”

  Jesus (S) was the Son of man “ON” earth and he spoke about “another” Son of man which is “IN” heaven. 

  Now, lets look at John 14:16-17 again, he said: “…I will pray to the ‘father’, and ‘he’ shall give you ‘ANOTHER’ Comforter Even the spirit of truth… but ye know him; for ‘he dwelleth with you’ and shall be in you.

  Jesus (S) is talking about “another comforter” who is “with the Father in Heaven” and also the “Holy Spirit” which is “with the disciple on earth” (…for he dwelleth with you…)

 
To be continue with:
THE CONDITION BEFORE THE COMFORTER COMES.
 
 
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 25 September 2008 at 10:29am

 My friend Robin, silence is agreeing or say someting, anyting. You can invite your friends and family to visit this forum and listen to their openion or you can invite the Watchtower society to visit here.

Allah (S) said: "…And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians” Because among these are men devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant." (Q.5:82)
 
In true faith!
 
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 26 September 2008 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

  Now, lets look at John 14:16-17 again, he said: “…I will pray to the ‘father’, and ‘he’ shall give you ‘ANOTHER’ Comforter Even the spirit of truth… but ye know him; for ‘he dwelleth with you’ and shall be in you.

  Jesus (S) is talking about “another comforter” who is “with the Father in Heaven” and also the “Holy Spirit” which is “with the disciple on earth” (…for he dwelleth with you…)

THE CONDITION BEFORE THE COMFORTER COMES.
 

    The “condition” is, when he goes to the Father in Heaven he will “send him” because the “Another Comforter” was in Heaven at that time with the Father.

  Remember, he said in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+16%3A7&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252016%3A7&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=16&ncc=16 - - John 16:7 : “Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.!”

  But according to the Bible the disciple received the Holy Ghost “before” Jesus (pbuh) left! It is mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John.20:21-22&version=9 - - John.20:21-22 where Jesus (S) said: ...As my father hath sent me, even so I send you (the disciple) And  when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, RECEIVED YE THE HOLY GHOST.” That is the one which Jesus (S) was talking about when he said: Even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he ‘dwelleth with you and shall be in you.’”

  If the Spirit of truth is not in them but dwelleth with them (the disciple), then where is the spirit of truth? John chapter one verse thirty-two read, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven..., and abode upon him.”(John 1:32)

  Jesus (S) was a comforter ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25202%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=2&ncc=2 - BREATHED on them in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John.20:21-22&version=9 -

  It is mentioned in the Quran: “O? Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)].” [al-Maa'idah 5:110]

  He was also described as a Spirit proceeding from Allah (Ruhun minhu): “…Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His word (BE), which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Roohun minhu)… (Q.4:171)     

  The believers (Muslims) also are strengthen with the Spirit from Allah (S) Qur’an 58:22: Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself (Roohin-minhu)... (Qur’an 58:22)

La tajidu qawman yuminoona biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri yuwaddoona man hadda Allaha warasoolahu walaw kanoo abaahum aw abnaahum aw ikhwanahum aw AAasheeratahum olaika kataba fee quloobihimu aleemana waayyadahum biroohin minhu Qur’an 58:22

 

  So in the above mentioned we have the one that was “abode upon Jesus (S)” and the one that was “with the Father in heaven.” Jesus (S) mentioned it in   http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+3%3A13&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%25203%3A13&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=3&ncc=3 - - John 3:13 :  “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is ‘IN’ heaven.”

 

 But how will he abide with us forever? Let Jesus (S) tells us:

This explanation is from the late Ahmad Deedat [May Allah (S) rewards him], he explained:

  “In Luke, Chapter sixteen, Jesus (S) tells us the story of the ‘rich man, Poor man.’ At death both find themselves at opposite ends – one in Heaven and one in Hell. The rich man simmering in Hell cries to Father Abraham to send the beggar (Lazarus) to slake his thirst. But when every plea fails, he, ask a last favor, requesting that Father Abraham send the beggar to earth to warn his living brother against their impending doom if they heeded not the warning of God.

  But Abraham said, ‘If they (those still alive on earth) hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (To warn them)’ Luke 16:31

  Jesus uttered the above parable centuries after the demise of the prophets of Israel Jeremiah, Hosea, etc and over thirteen hundred years after Moses (S). The Pharisees at that time of Jesus (S) and we today can still listen to ‘Moses and the Prophets.’ For they are alive still alive, and with us here today in their teaching and so was Muhammad (S) the ‘Another Comforter’ (Nothing new, Jesus said it!)”

 

THE DISCIPLES KNEW OF HIM:

  It was conformed in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+4%3A1&section=0&it=kjv&oq=1jo%25204%3A1&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=1jo&ng=4&ncc=4 - - 1John.4:1 “Beloved, believe not every SPIRIT, but try the SPIRITS whether they are of God because many false PROPHETS are gone out into the world.”   

Now! Let us look at this wording, “believe not every spirit”. How do we “believe”? We can’t believe if we do not hear, correct? We have to hear to believe. Now the verse continues: “but try the spirits whether they are of God” How do we try the Spirit? By question him, and that is not my opinion, V.2 conforms it:  “2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that ‘confesseth’ that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:”

 The Spirit has to “confess” and if he “confesses” that would mean we have to listen to him. Now, if we have to go back to V.1 it says: “because many ‘false prophets’ are “gone out into the world.’”

Why “gone out into the world”? Because, “into the world” you have to go and look! And what you have to look for? It says: “Because many ‘false prophets’ are gone out.” The opposite of “false prophet” is what? True Prophet!!!

 Conclusion: John is saying, go out into the world and look for a “true prophet with the true spirit. And how do we know him? V.2 Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

To be continue:
CONFESSIONED OF THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.
 
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 27 September 2008 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

  CONFESSIONED OF THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.
 

  1John 4:2 says: “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God.

 To have a better understanding let’s begin with John:

It is mentioned in John.1:1 “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.”

If the word “was” God and the word was “with” God in the literal sense, it would mean that there are two Gods! In the Biblical language, the term “god” is used metaphorically to indicate power. Paul referred to the DEVIL as god. 

 In whom the “god” of this world hath blinded the mind of them which believe not... (2Corinthiants4:4)

  Moses (S) also referred to as god, “And the Lord said unto Moses, see I have made thee a ‘god’ to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%207:1&version=9 -

 Which word was “with” God in the beginning? For us to know we have to go to the beginning.

And God said, let there “BE” light: and there was light. (Genesis.1:3)

 

 

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   So which word was with God? “BE” and that is the word he created all things, and that word He used to create the life. [...And the life was the light of men, and the light shineth in darkness (man) and the darkness (man) comprehended it not]. (John.1:4-5)

   How he did it? Quran tells us: “When He (Allah) hath decreed a matter, He but said to it, ‘BE’ and it is!” (Q.3:47)   

  The life or the light is a real fire burning inside of man. Why when we breathe in oxygen we breathe out carbon dioxide? It is the light in us that burns.  

   That was the true light, which lightest every man that come into this world. (John.1:9)

   And the word (BE) was made flesh, and dwell among us. (John.1:14)

   How the word was made flesh? Only the Qur’an gives the answer:

   Behold! The angel said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee Glad Tidings of a word from Him: His name will be (Isa) Christ Jesus, the son of Mary...She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" Allah createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a matter, He but saith to it BE, and it is! (Q.3:45-47) 

   And the word ‘BE’ was made flesh and dwell among us.

   Here by know ye the Spirit of God: Every Spirit that comfesseth that Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John%204:2&version=9 - )

 

Who created all things? The one that sits on the throne!

 Rev.4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

Rev.4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%205:1-7&version=9 - - 1 And I saw in the right hand of “him that sat on the throne” a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

You see that? The One that sits on the throne has a book, and what he did with it? Let’s find out.

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Rev.5:7And he (the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him (God Almighty) that sat upon the throne.

 Who took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne? The Lamb! And who is sitting on the throne? God Almighty!

Nothing new! It’s all in Revelation 1:1

Rev.1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (Almighty) gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

“For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." (John 12:49)

And who was Jesus (S)? Revelation 1:5 says, “…Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness…”

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 28 September 2008 at 2:23pm
 
 
COMFORTER BRINGS JUDGMENT:

 Jesus (S) said in John 16: 7 “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:’”

  Jesus (S) is saying that, the “Comforter” will bring “Judgment” to the world (Gentiles). So the Comforter has to be a “person” according to Isaiah 42:1 “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon ‘him: he’ shall bring forth ‘judgment to the Gentile.’” (See explanation of Isaiah 42)

  That is the reason why the disciple John was looking for a Prophet with a Spirit in 1John.4:1 “Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but try the Spirits whether they are of God because many false Prophets are gone out into the world.” 

 The universal book of Judgment:   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2014:6-7&version=9 - : “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.”

  The everlasting gospel was yet to come; Jesus (S) gospel could not be for all time! Jesus (S) already on earth with a gospel, he could not be the “another angel” with “everlasting gospel,” the everlasting Gospel is the same little book that mentioned in Revelation 10:1-11; another angel with a “little book” which John did not wrote but is yet to come and it is clearly stated that the, “…another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel…” This everlasting gospel is coming from Heaven! The Qur’an makes that claimed and the book of Revelation 14-7 says? “Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!” Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: the standard way of judgment between right and wrong.

This is what Allah (S) said: “Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Q.25:1)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13:37)

 

HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF:

   In John: 16:12 Jesus (S) said:I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.   13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for ‘he shall not speak of himself;’ but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.”

  If anyone says he is in them and speaks to them then he is that Prophet because John was looking for a Prophet with a Spirit.

  The Holy Qur’an has made that claim: "And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

   Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power." (Q.53:3-5)

  In Qur'an Allah (S) said: "Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world:

With it came down the SPIRIT OF FAITH and TRUTH (Rooh-ul-Amin).

To thy heart." ( http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/026.qmt.html#026.193 -

Nothing new! Same with Jesus (S), it mentioned in John 1:32: I saw the Spirit descending from heaven..., and abode upon him.”(John 1:32)

 

  The Prophet (S) of Islam was known as the “Al-Amin” (the Faithful and truthful one).

 And Allah (S) said: “Therein come down the angels and the (Rooh) Spirit by Allah’s permission, on every errand.” (Q.97:4)

  The angels and the Spirit [Ruh-ul-Qudus: Gabriel (Q.16:102); Ruh-ul-Amin: to the Al-Amim: Muhammad (S).

 "O ?Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]." (Qur’an 5:110)

  Jesus (S) was strengthen with the “Holy Spirit” (Rooh-ul-Qudus) and also Muhammad (S) was supported with “the spirit of faith and truth” (Rooh-ul-Amin).  Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: the majority of scholars said that this refers to Jibreel (peace be upon him), and that Allaah called him al-Rooh al-Ameen, Rooh al-Qudus and Jibreel."  (Daqaa'iq al-Tafseer, part 1, p. 310)

  Allah (S) said: “We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to ‘ALL’ mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind know not.” (Q.34:28)

  And He said: “Without doubt it is (announced) in the revealed book [Taura (Torah) and the Injil (Gospel) of former peoples].” (Q.26:192-196)

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 29 September 2008 at 12:00pm
 
 
WHO WAS BEFORE JOHN?

  John bare witness of him...He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. (John.1:15)

   Is Jesus (S) was at the beginning? No! It was the Spirit that abode upon him, see John.1:32 and Qur’an.4:171 below. That Spirit is the Alfa the Omega (the beginning and the end). It was there in the beginning and shall come in the end; it has a beginning and an end. Allah does not have a beginning or end, He existed as he is, and He is eternal.

And talking about the beginning, all the children of Adam’s was back there at the beginning in Spirits before Allah (S) place us on earth. It is mentioned in the Qur’an:

 

  When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, (saying): “Am I not your Lord (who cherishes and sustains you)?” They said: Yea! We do testify!” (This), lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment: “Varily, we have been unaware of this

 

  Or lest ye should say: “It was Our fathers before us may have taken false gods, but we are (their) descendants after them: wilt Thou then destroy us who took others as partnesrin worship along with Allah, and we were (merely their) decendants after them; will you then destroy us because of the  deeds of men?”  Al-A'raf (The Heights) 7:172-173  

 All the children of Adam’s were back there testifying concerning the one true God-Allah (S) as Lord, so that, on the Day of Judgment they will have no excuses!

 Nothing new! Prophet Solomon is reported in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%208&version=31 - (NIV) to have said, "22 The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; 23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. 24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,

 According to http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038&version=31 - (NIV), God addresses Prophet Job as follows: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

21 Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!

 

HE SHALL TESTIFY OF ME:

   Jesus (S) said: “When the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which Proceedeth from the Father, ‘he will testify of me.’” ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015:26&version=9 - )  

  It is mentioned in the Qur'an: O people of Book! Commit no excess in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His word (BE), which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messenger. Say not "trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is one God: Glory be to Him. (Q.4:171)     

  Jesus was a MESSENGER of Allah, a WORD from Allah and a SPIRIT proceeding from Allah.

  ...He shall testify of me. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015:26&version=9 - )

 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "BE" And he was. (Q.3:59)

 The truth [comes] from thy Lord alone; so be not of those who doubt. (Q.3:60)

  Allah (S) said: "If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after [full] knowledge hath come to thee, Say: 'Come! Let us gather together, our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray. And invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!'" (Q.3:61)

 

Br.  Zainool Husain  (Dado)



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 02 November 2008 at 1:14am

Originally posted by truthnowcome

Originally posted by Angel

I probably know but have forgotten, Modern Babylon, Is that suppose to be Iraq/Iran or some other place.

 

I decided to open this thread once more at the countdown. 

Indeed Iraq was name Babylon but the scripture describe it (Babylon) as “Mystery” Babylon:

 MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:5&version=9 - Rev.17:5)

What this “mystery” is all about? Verse 7-9 gives the answer:

 And the angel said: “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman” (false church that great city) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:9-10&version=9 - (Rev.17:9-10)

 The seven head are seven Great City, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophesy was revealed and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire). Allah revealed to Muhamed (pubh) Q.30:2-4.

  The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)

The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christian (people of the Book) and defeated them. Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - . After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur’an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople -

   After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a “new” Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade -   [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - (Empire) ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 - Rev. 6:7-8   And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the “forth part” of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

  "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - 2 Thess. 2:3 NLT).

 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - KJV)

 

His Temple is Camp David! His Military seat:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20044.htm -

 

New form of Colonization, make no mistake, the IMF is also a form of Colonization. The Devil moves into the Country and help the opposition to destabilize the country and run down the economy, then move in with IMF to COLONIZE from the out side (Modern Colonization).

 

DO NOT ALLOWE THE DEVIL TO TAKE HIS SEAT!!!!!!!!!!

 

  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-issues-threat-to-iraqs-50bn-foreign-reserves-in-military-deal-841407.html -

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080531_Pinning_the_blame_for_terror.html -  Abu Hurayrah said: “The Prophet (S) said: ‘Woe to the Arabs from the great evil which is nearly approaching them: it will be like paches of dark night, A man will wake up as a believer, and be a kafir (unbilever) by   nightfall. People will sell their religion for a small amount of worldly good. The one who is cling to his religion on that day will be as one who is grasping an ember – thorns.(Ahamad, Musnad, 2/390)

 Abu Hurayrah said, “I heard the Prophet (S) saying to Thawban, ‘O Thawban, what will you do when the nations call one another to invade you as people call one another to come and eat from my bowl?’ Thewban said, ‘May my father and mother be sacrifices for you, O Messenger of Allah! Is it because we are so few? The Prophet (S) said, ‘No, that day you (Muslim) will be many, but Allah will put weakness (whan) in your hearts.’  The people asked, ‘What is that weakness, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, ‘It is love for this world and dislike of fighting.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 2/359)

The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

 The Prophet (pbuh) said: “…the jihad is everlasting from the time that Allah sent me to the time when the LAST PART OF MY UMMAH fight the Dajjal. The oppression of a TYRANT (SADDAM HUSSAIN) cannot destroy it nor the justice of the righteous leader…” [Abu Dawood (no. 2532)]

 
Anas ibn Malik said, “The Prophet (S) said,    ‘The time of the Dajjal will be years of CONFUSION. People will believe a LIAR, and DISTRUST  one who is TRUSTWORTHY, and TRUST the one who is TRENCHEROUS; and the RUWAYBIDA will  have a say.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the RUWAYBIDA?’ He said, ‘Those who rebel against Allah and will have a say in GENERAL AFFAIRS.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 3-220.)

 

“YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED”.

 The Prophet (S)  said:  “…Someone will cry, ‘O Muslims! The Dajjal is in your country, with your families’, and the people will leave the wealth. Anyone who takes notice will regret it and anyone who ignores it will regret it. The will ask, ‘Who shouted’ but they will not know who he is. They will say, ‘Send a vanguard to Ilya. If the Dajjal has appeared, YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT HIS DEED.’ So the will go and see, and if they see that every thing is normal, they will say, ‘No-one would give a shout like that for no reason, so let us go together and to Ilya.’ If we find the Dajjal there we will fight him together, until Allah decides between us and him. If we do not find the Dajjal, we will go back to our country and families. (Al-Haythami, Majma al-Fitan, 8-176)

 Abd Allah said, “…The Prophet (S) said, ‘We are a people of a Household for whom Allah has chosen the Hereafter rather than this world. The people of my Household (Ahl al-bayt) will suffer a great deal after my death, and will be persecuted until a people carrying black banner will come out of the EAST (AFGANISTAN). They will instruct the people to do good, but the people will refuse; they will fight until they are VICTORIOUS, and the people do as they ask, but they will not accept it from them until they hand over power to A MAN FROM MY HOUSEHOLD. Then the earth will filled with fairness, just as it had been filled with injustice. If any of you live to see this, you should GO TO HIM EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO CRAWLED ACROSS ICE.’” (Ibn Majah, ibid., Hadith 4082)

 Thawban said, “The Prophet {S} said, ‘Three men will be killed at the place where your tresure (oil) is. Each  of them will be the son of a Khalifah, and non of them will get hold of the treasure (oil). Then the black banners will come out of the EAST (AFGANISTAN), and they will slaughter you in a way which has never been seen before.’ Then he said something which I can’t remember; then, ‘If you see him, GO AND GIVE YOUR ALLEGIANCE, even if you have to crawl over ice, because he is the KALIFAH of Allah, The Mahdi.’” (Ibn Majah, op. cit., (Hadith 3088)

 

 Is there any one from the EAST (AFGANISTAN) who is calling for ONE Caliphate? I remember the General said: “If you destroy their economy you destroy their military He is waging an economic war while the Devil is waging a Military war’ I also remember they said: “they will bleed them to death” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19443.htm - The True Cost Of War

 
Is this true: 
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7202.htm - 

 

tnc

 

 

Originally posted by truthnowcome

  

New form of Colonization, make no mistake, the IMF is also a form of Colonization. The Devil moves into the Country and help the opposition to destabilize the country and run down the economy, then move in with IMF to COLONIZE from the out side (Modern Colonization).

 

 

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:11-12&version=9 - And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED. (KJV)

   …And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. ( http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=isa+29%3A12&section=0&it=kjv&oq=isa%252029%3A12&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=isa&ng=29&ncc=29 - )

 

   Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. (Isaiah29:14)

   Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their work are in darkness, and they say, who Seeth us? And who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things up-side down shall be esteemed as the putter’s clay… (V.15-16)

 

http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2008/11/2/imf-needs-hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars-more-british-pm/ - http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2008/11/2/imf-needs-hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars-more-british-pm/

Clip:

Riyadh (ANTARA News) - British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the International Monetary Fund (IMF) needs "hundreds of billions of dollars" to help countries at risk of collapsing amid the world financial crisis.

Brown, who is in Saudi Arabia, told reporters Saturday during a four-day tour of Gulf states that countries which had benefited from recent high oil prices could contribute to the plan.

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The last phase (they are colonizing the banks)!

Do not help the Devil to colonize the planet! Dangers ahead:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/29/usa-bush-syria-elections - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/29/usa-bush-syria-elections

Clip:

However we are meant to read it, the attack on Syria looks a lot like a parting shot from Bush, an end-of-the-movie reminder of what this long and bloody saga has been about. A small operation, causing eight deaths, it nevertheless captures much of the Bush ethos that has ruled the globe these past eight years. It was unilateral; it trampled on state sovereignty; and it relied on force as a first, not last, resort. As a souvenir of the Bush era, it would be hard to top.

But it may not be the final act. For we have not yet entered the twilight zone proper. That will come only when polls close next Tuesday. When the transition begins, all kinds of surprises are possible.

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 01 August 2009 at 11:42pm

All Praises are for Allah (S).

Salaam!

The next level:

President Obama is just a rubber stamp for AIPAC!

“…I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - - Rev.2:9   http://www.show-the-house.com/id55.html -

And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the forth part of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 -  

 

Obama's Empire

An Unprecedented Network of Military Bases That is Still Expanding

By Catherine Lutz

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article23167.htm -

  Clip:

  In December 2008, shortly before being sworn in as the 44th president of the United States, Barack Obama pledged his belief that, "to ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad", it was vital to maintain "the strongest military on the planet". Unveiling his national security team, including George Bush's defence secretary, Robert Gates, he said: "We also agree the strength of our military has to be combined with the wisdom and force of diplomacy, and that we are going to be committed to rebuilding and restrengthening alliances around the world to advance American interests and American security."…

On the other hand, the pouring of money into military R&D (the Pentagon has spent more than $85bn in 2009), and the corporate profits to be made in the development and deployment of the resulting technologies, have been significant factors in the ever larger numbers of technical facilities on foreign soil. These include such things as missile early-warning radar, signals intelligence, satellite control and space-tracking telescopes. The will to gain military control of space, as well as gather intelligence, has led to the establishment of numerous new military bases in violation of arms-control agreements such as the 1967 Outer Space Treaty. In Colombia and Peru, and in secret and mobile locations elsewhere in Latin America, radar stations are primarily used for anti-trafficking operations…

 

The Pentagon put into action a plan for a network of "deployment" or "forward operating" bases to increase the reach of current and future forces. The Pentagon-aligned, neoconservative think tank the Project for the New American Century stressed that "while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of ­Saddam Hussein".

The new bases are designed to operate not defensively against particular threats but as offensive, expeditionary platforms from which military capabilities can be projected quickly, anywhere. The Global Defence Posture Review of 2004 announced these changes, focusing not just on reorienting the footprint of US bases away from cold war locations, but on remaking legal arrangements that support expanded ­military activities with other allied countries and prepositioning equipment in those countries

 

Check it out: http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/BSR_2007_Baseline.pdf -

 

 

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article23166.htm -

Clip:

   Shortly after his election as president, Barack Obama, in a speech announcing several members of his new cabinet, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/3540167/Barack-Obama-says-US-will-maintain-strongest-military-on-planet-as-Clinton-confirmed-top-diplomat.html - that "[w]e have to maintain the strongest military on the planet." A few weeks later, on March 12, 2009, in a speech at the National Defense University in Washington DC, the president again http://www.emailthepresident.com/news/2009/03-12-obama-says-us-military-will-change-but-remain-worlds-strongest.html - , "Now make no mistake, this nation will maintain our military dominance. We will have the strongest armed forces in the history of the world." And in a commencement address to the cadets of the U.S. Naval Academy on May 22nd, Obama http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22869.html - that "[w]e will maintain America's military dominance and keep you the finest fighting force the world has ever seen."…..

 

According to the 2008 official Pentagon inventory of our military bases around the world, our empire http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20090514_chalmers_johnson_on_the_cost_of_empire - 865 facilities in more than 40 countries and overseas U.S. territories. We deploy over 190,000 troops in 46 countries and territories….

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 5:39pm

SALAAM! 
 
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

  2Thess.2:3 "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - - 2 Thess. 2:3 NLT).

 

Read how the Devil carries out its dirty works, the rubber stamp, a mean Obama, he is there to finish what the Devil started. I said it before, It is the ways of “modern colonization” The IMF is the tool for colonizing.

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17829.htm - I have highlight clips, it begins:

Today, we spend the hour with a man who claims to have worked deep inside the forces driving corporate globalization. In his first book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins told the story of his work as a highly paid consultant hired to strong-arm leaders into creating policy favorable to the US government and corporations, what he calls the “corporatocracy.” John Perkins says he helped the US cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then taking over their economies. John Perkins has just come out with his second book on this issue. It’s called The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals and the Truth about Global Corruption. John Perkins joins us now in the firehouse studio. Welcome to Democracy Now!

 

AMY GOODMAN: And how did that tie to the NSA? Was there a connection?

JOHN PERKINS: You know, that’s what’s very interesting about this whole system, Amy, is that there’s no direct connection. The NSA had interviewed me, identified me and then essentially turned me over to this private corporation. It’s a very subtle and very smart system, whereby it’s the private industry that goes out and does this work. So if we’re caught doing something, if we’re caught bribing or corrupting local officials in some country, it’s blamed on private industry, not on the US government.

And it’s interesting that in the few instances when economic hit men fail, what we call “the Jackals,” who are people who come in to overthrow governments or assassinate their leaders, also come out of private industry. These are not CIA employees. We all have this image of the 007, the government agent hired to kill, you know, with license to kill, but these days the government agents, in my experience, don't do that. It’s done by private consultants that are brought in to do this work. And I’ve known a number of these individuals personally and still do.

 

 

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22978.htm - Clip:

…on July 2, the Washington Post reported President Obama’s claim that Russian Prime Minister Putin is a person who lives partly in the past, with “one foot in the old ways of doing business and one foot in the new.”

If Putin has “one foot in the new,” he is ahead of Obama who has both feet in the past.

Obama said that Putin needs to learn that “the old Cold War approaches” to relations with the US are “outdated.”

The Post reported this as if a failure of Putin’s is endangering US/Russian relations. The Post did not point out that it is Obama, not Putin, who has wars of aggression against three independent countries--Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, with a fourth war threatened with Iran. We know for a fact these wars originated in Bush administration lies and deception, but Obama continues the occupations and expands the wars, thus endorsing the deceptions…

 

The US has no media. But it does have a Ministry of Propaganda. Americans were programmed with days of propaganda that Islamic Iran, a member of the US-designated “axis of evil,” stole the election from the Iranian people. According to the US Ministry of Propaganda, the Iranian people are allied with the US government against the Iranian government.

 

I am up dating you!

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 1:43am
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24002.htm -
 
Global Warfare



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 27 November 2009 at 1:46am

Up date:

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=9 - - REVELATION 12

     Revlation12:1-2 says:And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.”

According to some Christian’s Scholars the “woman” represents the church and some says the “woman” represents the Jewish nation and the male child is Jesus (S).  In truth…it represents the “church” and not the “Jewish nation!” The Man child who was to rule all nations, he is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which I have explained in Rev.10 and 14:6-7. After he brought the universal Book he died and caught up unto God and to his throne. It is not Jesus (S) as the Christian’s Scholars promoting. On the contrary when Jesus (S) comes, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-20&version=9 - - Rev.19:19-20 says: “the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered to make war against him…and his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet …these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”  Not caught up unto God!  

    The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came fromher and she” which is referring to the “church” when the church is well establish for the coming of the Messiah: Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.” Rev.19:7-8

  The church was divided in to two groups or branches: Rev.12:14 “And to the woman were given two wings.  And Rev.11:4-5 These are the two olive trees, and two candlestick standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth (used the word of God), and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

  Candlesticks represent churches:  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:20&version=9 - - Rev. 1:20 …the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest ARE SEVEN CHURCHES.

Also, woman represented a great city: “And the woman which thou saws is that great city…” (Rev.17:18)

 The Church here is “Islam” and the “two wings or the two olive trees and two candlestick” is the two branches from the same church…the two large groups of Muslims: Abu Hurayrah said, “The Prophet (S) said, ‘The Hour will not come until the following events have come to pass: two large groups will fight one another, and there will be many casualties; they will both be following the same religious teaching… Knowledge will disappear, earthquake will increase, time will pass quickly, affliction will appear, and Harj (i.e. killing) will increase. Wealth will increase…People will compete in constructing high building…the sun will rise from the west; When it rises and people see it, the will believe, but, “no good will it do a soul to believe then, if he believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith…”(al-An am 6:158; Bukhari, kitab al-Fitan,9/74)

  Crown of twelve stars: as for Ishmael…twelve prince shall he beget; I will make him a great nation. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - - Gen.17:20 )

  And she (the woman which is the church) brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.   (Rev.12:5)  

  That is Muhammad (S) and not Jesus (S)! The second coming of Jesus (S) he will not caught up unto God again. Also, it is a known fact that Jesus (S) didn’t rule any one with a rod of iron (Psalm 2:9: You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.) before he caught up unto God. In fact, Christians believe that he was captured and kill on the cross.

 

Second point: Jesus (S) thought his followers to pray for the coming kingdom: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - - After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.  10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

“His’ will” shall be done on earth! What is the will? God’s will is his divine law. Jesus (S) said: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”   http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:21-22&version=9 - -

The will of the Father will establish when that male child would have come: “…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ (anointed)… (Rev.12:10).

   Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come together at the arrival of that Man child. The question is did the kingdom of God come when Jesus (S) was here? If not, well then he did not fit that prophesy.

 Further explainion: Remember Jesus (S) instructed his disciples to preach the Gospel to all the world to every creature? He himself didn’t go into all the world to every creature to preach the Gospel!  That is, simply because he was “sent” by his father and our father and his God and our God to the lost sheep of the house of Israel which he openly declared in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:22-26&version=9 - - Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” So, not me but here Jesus (S) himself proved you wrong!

  Jesus (S) message was about “the Good news of the coming of Gods Kingdom on earth” that is why he instructed his’ disciples to go into all the world to every creature in form them! 

 

   He was preaching the coming of God Kingdom:

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,” http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mr+1:14&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1&l=en - - Mark 1:14

And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=lu+8:1&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1&l=en - - Luke 8:1

 

“glad tidings”  Is also the Good News, same Greek word used there. So, he was preaching of the “Good News of the Kingdom of God.”

  These two words “Euaggelizo / Euaggelion” translated as “Gospel.” So when you see the word “Gospel” know it is the “Good News” and not any good news, it is the “Good News of the Kingdom of God” That would mean, his core message was about the coming of the kingdom of God.

 

  As I have said before, he also thought his followers to pray for the coming of the Kingdom of God because it was yet to come:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:9-13&version=9 - - Matthew 6:9-10 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.  10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

“His’ will” shall be done on earth! What is the will? God’s will is his divine law.

 

   How the Kingdom of God shall come? Jesus explained when he was question:

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:   http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+17:20&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - Lu 17:20

 It was yet to come! So, how Christians will begin to fit him in revelation 12 when his message contradicts them?

 

 

It mentioned in http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=lu+13:29&translation=str&st=1&new=1&sr=1 - - And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=mt+21%3A43&section=0&it=kjv&oq=mt%252021%3A43&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=mt&ng=21&ncc=21 - -

This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (In Mecca) ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - - )

And the woman fled into the wilderness (In Mecca), where she hath a place prepared of God, that they (Hajj: Pilgrims) should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev.12:6)

Jesus (S) did not fit that but Muhammad (S) did.

 

 

If they say, in his second coming, the scripture mentioned, he will come to the Church when it is already established (his wife hath made herself ready). “wife” there represented the Church and fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.

It read:” Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife (the church) hath made herself ready. 8 And to her (the church) was granted that she (the church) should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.” (V.7-8)

And Rev.12:10 mentioned: “…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ… (Rev.12:10).

That would mean, “Salvation” is yet to come, so what happen to the crucifixion? They don’t have their story together!

Also, if in his second coming he will ascend to God’s Throne why come when he is already on the throne? Also In his second coming when he would have ascended to God’s Throne would the Jewish’s nation fled into the wilderness or they would be his sheep and he would be their King? It doesn’t add up. Why the woman (the Jewish’s nation as some Christian’s commentators claimed) fled in to the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and threescore days when all nee suppose to bow in his second coming?

 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev.12:6)

And he said unto me, Write, Bless are THEY which are called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb. And he said unto me, These are the true saying of God. (V.9)

 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS that flies in the midst of heaven come and gather yourself together unto the SUPPER of the Great God; that you may EAT the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Rev.1917-18)

That is what it says in his second coming! We have the saint and the fowls that fly in midst (Air) of heaven, they are called unto the MARRIGE SUPPER to eat of those people. Which fowls or bird that flies in midst (Air) heaven can eat those people, feather bird or iron bird?

 

The beast will make war with him in his second coming:

These (ten kings) have one mind (believe) and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall over come them: for he is Lord of Lord, and king of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen and faithful. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:13-14&version=9 - -

Which The Lamb would not win the war; he shall overcome them until the words of God fulfilled:

 For God hath put in their heart to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:17&version=9 - -

After the word of God would have fulfilled (when every nee bow as the Muslims does!) then he will gain victory over the beast:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-21&version=9 - - And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

  20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev.6:12 And I beheld when he open the six seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood (this is an eclipse);

 Rev.6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind (meteorite shower).

 Rev.6:15…hid themselves in den and in the rock of mountain (concrete buildings and bomb shelters). http://www.2012planetalignment.net/ -   The day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its Faith. (Q.6:158)

 Narrated Abu Hurairah ®: Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) said, “The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the earth, will have faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before.” [Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6/4635 (O.P.159)]

 (Q.39:53-54)  Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (39:054) "Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped.

 

  21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-21&version=9 - -

The kingdom would have already been here when the man child who would have come with the universal Good News which is the word of God and Jesus (S) second coming is to establish it. He will wage war for the Word of God: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (V.13)

 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smith the nation: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (V.15)

In his second coming he will rule them with a rod of iron when the church is already established and the Jewish’s nation will not fled into the wilderness! So revelation 12 is not about him; it is about universal Prophet who will rule with the rod of iron (as General and King) using the universal book that mentioned in Rev. 10 and 14:6-7 when it would have come.

 

The ones that will save are who have the “Seal” in the forehead by prostrations, some Jews and all people and nations who come out of great tribulation.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation7&version=9 - - Rev.7:3-14 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

  4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Not the fake Jew: in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - - Rev.2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the “blasphemy” of them “which say they are Jews”, and are not, but are the “synagogue of Satan. - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%203:9&version=9 - - Rev3:9 Behold, I will make them of the “synagogue of Satan,” which say they are Jews, and are not, “but do lie;” behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

  14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Not crucifixion! It is who fought with the Lamb: “These are they which came out of great tribulation,”

 

  tnc



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 06 March 2011 at 10:37am
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 21 March 2011 at 10:48pm

THE ARABS AND THE DEVIL’S FRIENDS

 

     The Arabs are seeking protection from the West. Guest who make up the western power or who has the real power in the west? It is the Pagans and the Askenazi Jews known as “AIPAC “Americans and Israelis Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)

 

http://www.show-the-house.com/id55.html -

 

THE PAGANS: It is not hard to recognize them. Their culture (Halloween) is still there to identify them. Is there any other race of people who has Halloween as part of their culture?

 

 

THE ASKENAZI JEWS: The bible book of http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - - Rev.2:9 described them: “…I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 

WHY AM I SAYING THIS? When the Arabs seek protection from the west, in truth they are really seeking protection from AIPAC whom was described as the Church of the Satan (The Devil) in the bible book of http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - - Rev.2:9 .

 

     We as Muslims was warned by Allah (S) not to take disbelievers as “protecting” friend; for Allah (S) is our only “protecting” friend. The disbelievers are friend unto each other.

 

 

PROPHESY MUST FULFILL:

 

    Abu Hurayrah said: “The Prophet (S) said: ‘Woe to the Arabs from the great evil which is nearly approaching them: it will be like paches of dark night, A man will wake up as a believer, and be a kafir (unbeliever) by   nightfall. People will sell their religion for a small amount of worldly good. The one who is cling to his religion on that day will be as one who is grasping an ember – thorns.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 2/390)  

 

Abu Hurayrah said, “I heard the Prophet (S) saying to Thawban, ‘O Thawban, what will you do when the nations call one another to invade you as people call one another to come and eat from my bowl?’ Thewban said, ‘May my father and mother be sacrifices for you, O Messenger of Allah! Is it because we are so few?’ The Prophet (S) said, ‘No, that day you (Muslim) will be many, but Allah will put weakness (whan) in your hearts.’  The people asked, ‘What is that weakness, O Messenger of Allah?’ He said, ‘It is love for this world and dislike of fighting.’” (Ahamad, Musnad, 2/359)

 

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 11 January 2012 at 9:50pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

You have to read to believe!

REVELATION 17

  It is mentioned in the book of http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the “blasphemy” of them “which say they are Jews”, and are not, but are the “synagogue (Church) of Satan.”

And in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%203:9&version=9 - Behold, I will make them of the “synagogue of Satan,” which say they are Jews, and are not, “but do lie;” behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” And I have an explanation on this link: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11903&PN=1 -  

  However, as we understand the “fake Jews” was described as the CHURCH OF SATAN”.  Now watch the connection with THE FALSE CHURCH AND BEAST 666

It is mentioned in  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17&version=9 - - (Rev.17:3) …And I saw a WOMAN sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

  I’ve established in Rev.12 that the “woman” mentioned their represents the “church” and the “woman” also represents a great city. Rev.17:18 “And the woman…is that Great City, which reigneth over the kings of the earth...”  But only this time the woman (the church that great city) is described as a Great Whore” in “Rev.17:1”

  Rev.17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of thegreat whore” that sitteth upon many waters:

  Rev.17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

  Rev.17: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

  Rev.17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw awoman” sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of “names of blasphemy”, having seven heads and ten horns.

  Rev.17:4 And the woman” was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

  She is one that is married and has been false to her husband’s bed. In other words, the “church” is carrying the scripture but “false” to the true teaching of God and she sit on the scarlet coloured BEAST, “full of blasphemy”, having seven head and ten horn.

  She is described as: “MISTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:5&version=9 -  And the angel said: “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountain, on which the woman” (false church that great city) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; but when he cometh, he must continue a short space.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:9-10&version=9 -  The seven head are seven Great City, five has fallen and one exist (the Pagan Empire) at the time when this prophesy was revealed and the other is yet to come (Modern day Pagan Empire). The Pagans wage war against the Romans Christians (people of the Book) and defeat them, then Allah revealed to Muhamed (pubh) Q.30:2-4.

  The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land Syria Iraq Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these event) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that day, the believers (Muslim) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persian). (N.Q.30:2-4)

  At the time of this prophesies Rev.17:10 “five Empire has fallen” and “one exists at the time of this prophesy (The Pagan Empire)” and the other (Modern day Pagan Empire) was yet to come. The Pagans wage war against the Roman Christian (people of the Book) and defeated them. Then the Roman Christian (the people of the Book) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_against_Heraclius - - Heracles defeated the Persian Empire in March 628 . After which the Romans reject the Message of the Qur’an, then Allah remove them from the light and place them into darkness, and then there were consume by Islam in 638 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_century - - Rapid expansion of Islam ). Islam took Heracles by surprise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople - .

   After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims, there emerges a “new” Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I - - Pope Gregory the Great (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later known as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade - - Crusaders  [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy - - the seventh king - (Empire) ] then evolve in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - - west as the eight king (Modern day Pagan’s Empire) and he will go into eternal damnation. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2017:11&version=9 - - Rev.17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation6:7-8&version=9 -   And when he had open the forth seal…a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him, And power was given unto him over the “forth part” of the earth (New world: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world - - west ), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

  "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the “ man of lawlessness” is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=51 - - 2 Thess. 2:3 NLT).

 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thessalonians%202&version=9 - - 2 Thess2:4 KJV)

  And the ten horn which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet, but received power as king one hour with the beast. (Rev.17:12)

  And the angel poured out his vail upon the great river of Euphrates; and the water (people: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:15&version=9 - - Rev.17:15 thereof dried up (Iran  and Iraq  war), that the way of the (ten) kings of the East might be prepared. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation16:12&version=9 -

 The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

  And the ten horns (ten kings) which thou sawest upon the beast (Pagan Empire: world government), these shall hate the whore (false church that great city), and make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:16&version=9 -   …indeed he {Dajjal} is in the Syrian sea or the Yemen  sea. No on the contrary, he is in the east, he is in the east, he is in the east and He (pbuh) pointed to the east. (Bukhari, Kitab al Fitan, 9/75)

 …He will appear on the way between Syria and Iraq(Muslim: Kitab al Fitan wa Ashrat al –Sa‘ah, 8/196-199)

   The Dajjal [Anti Christ: false teaching of Christ (pbuh)] will wage war from the east (Afghanistan) then reside in the Syrian and Yemen sea (Aircraft carrier).

 

  REVELATION 13 BEAST 666

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation13&version=9 - - - )  And I (John) stood upon the sand of the sea (seaside), and saw a BEAST rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horn…and upon his head the name of blasphemy.

   He will wage war from the sea: Aircraft carrier.

  And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name (Allah), and his tabernacle (Islam and its law), and them that dwell in heaven. (Rev.13:6)

  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev.13:7)

  The question is who is ruling the world now (having power over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations), invading country and dropping bomb at will in them without permission? I know the “West” and also Israeldropped “bombs” on Saddam’s nuclear site in the past and other Muslims countries, Lebanon and Syria what they did to them the other day. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19442.htm - - US: Vets Break Silence on War Crimes

  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship (obeyed) him… (Rev.13:8)

  And the beast (Modern day Pagan Empire) which I saw was like unto a leopard (camouflage), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (his military strength), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (when he speak the world will afraid): and the dragon (the seventh king: the Crusaders: British Empire, See exp. of Rev.12) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (Rev.13:2)

 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition. (Rev.17:11)

 …and all the world wondered after the beast. (Rev.13:3)

 And there was given unto him a mouth (media) speaking great things and “blasphemies”; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev.13:5)

  He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and faith of the saints. (Rev.13:10)

 And beheld another beast (Zionist movement: The fake Jews: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - “…I know the “blasphemy” of them “which say they are Jews”, and are not, but are the “synagogue (Church) of Satan.”) coming up out of the earth;

 

and he had two horns like a lamb (Zionist Judaism and Zionist Christianity: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11065.htm - - American Christian Fundamentalist Leader Calls For Global War ),

 

and he spake as a dragon ( Crusaders: claming the holy land). And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast (Modern Day Pagan Empire) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship (obeyed) the first beast (M.D.P.E.)… (Rev.13:11-12)

  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire (missile: 1967 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock#Modern_period - - LINK ) come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles (technology) which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image (W.T.C) to the beast… (Rev.13:13-14)

And there was given unto him a mouth (media) speaking great things and “blasphemies”; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev.13:5)

1967 + 42 years will take them into the year 2009 they will rein, and then they will fall.

And it mentioned in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:12&version=9 - “…Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” (Until 2009)

  And he had power to give life (business and trade) unto the image (W.T.C.) of the beast (modern day Pagan Empire: the world Government), that the image (W.T.C.) of the beast should both (the traders and the world government) speak, and cause that many as would not worship (trade with) the image (W.T.C.) of the beast should be killed. (Rev.13:15)

   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to received a mark (credit card) in their right hand, or in their forehead (identification: Social Security Number): And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark (credit card or Social Security Number), or the name (their kind) of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev.13:16-1

 The Dajjal (Anti Christ) will be a young man, with curly hair, and one eye floating.

 Metaphorically: one eye floating:  eye in the sky: G.P.S, x-ray vision spy satellite. Catch this link: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=99053 - - Military Use of Unmanned Aircraft Soars .

  We asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah how quickly will he walk upon the earth?’ He (pbuh) said, ‘Like a cloud driven by wind.’

   Metaphorically: cloud driven by wind: Aircraft to move him from one place to another.

  He will issue a command to the sky, and it will rain. (Through technology)

 He will come to the people and call them (to a false religion: Christianity)

 At that time Allah will revealed to Jesus (pbuh): ‘I have brought forth some of my servant whom no one will able to fight Take my servants safely to al-Tur’ (See ‘ULUM AL-QUR’AN P.73 for al Tur) (Muslim: kitab al-Fitan wa Ashrat al Sa‘ah, 8/196-199)

 The messenger (pbuh) could not have explained to the Companion about modern technology examples: Aircraft, G.P.S., Unmanned Aircraft and aircraft carrier in the Syrian sea. 

 And the woman (false church)…is that Great City, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev.17:18)

Which Great City is “reigning” over the Kings of the earth at present?

  These (ten kings) have one mind (believe) and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall over come them: for he is Lord of Lord, and king of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen and faithful. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:13-14&version=9 -   Lord of Lords is used metaphorically to indicate power. For example, Paul referred to the devil a “god” in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 “in their case the “god” of this world had blind the minds of the unbelievers…”

And Lord said unto Moses, see I made thee a “god” to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy Prophet. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%207:1&version=9 - )

 The Lamb would not win the war, he shall overcome them.

 For God hath put in their heart to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.17:17&version=9 - - (Rev.17:17).

 The Dajjal (Anti Christ: the false teaching of Christ, false Church) has taken your place among your off spring (Iraq) so they will throw whatever is in their hand and go forward, sending TEN HORSEMEN as a scouting party. The Prophet (pubh) said: “I know their names, and the names of their father and the colour of their horses. They will be the BEST horsemen on the FACE of the EARTH on that day.” (Ahmad, Musnad, 1/384, 38; Muslim, Kitab al Fitan, 8/177,178)

 And the ten horns (ten kings from the east) which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore (false church that great city), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire, (Rev.17:16)

TNC.

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Peace to all!

 

It time to make a come back. This findings and info put together is of my opinion and no scholar.

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30221.htm -  

Are Drones Watching You?

By Jennifer Lynch

 

 

Drones are capable of highly advanced and almost constant surveillance, and they can amass large amounts of data. They carry various types of equipment including http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/10/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211 - - http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/27/us-armys-a160-hummingbird-drone-copter-to-don-1-8-gigapixel-cam/ - that can “track people and vehicles from altitudes above 20,000 feet[,] . . . [can] monitor up to 65 enemies of the State simultaneously[, and] . . . can see targets from almost 25 miles down range.” Predator drones can http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-flew-stealth-drones-into-pakistan-to-monitor-bin-laden-house/2011/05/13/AF5dW55G_story.html - , and one drone unveiled at DEFCON last year can http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/07/28/flying-drone-can-crack-wifi-networks-snoop-on-cell-phones/ - http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/stealth-drone-afghanistan/ - and some have suggested that drones carrying weapons such as http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texas-civil-libertarians-have-eye-on-police-drones-2245644.php - could be used domestically.

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THE DEVIL COULD EVEN SEE YOU IN YOUR HOME; IN YOUR BEDROOM AS LONG YOU HAVE A CAMERA ON YOUR PC THERE…THINK ABOUT IT! EVERYWHERE A CAMERA IS HOOK UP THEY SEES YOU THAT IS WHY DEVELOPED A PROGRAM FOR “FACE RECOGNITION”.

 

TRUTHNOWCOME



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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 11 January 2012 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome

The fall of MODERN DAY BABYLON first:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:19-21&version=9 - And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

  20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

  21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2018&version=9 -  1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

 2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

 8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

 21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

 

After the fall of Modern Day Babylon, then 1000 yrs. after then Gog and Magog will rise.

It’s all in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020&version=9 - :

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I