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    Posted: 08 August 2007 at 7:12am

Even though I do not agree with Kahane in totality, I think that he makes some very interesting points. Those that have an open mind and those that judge wisely and slowly should consider what he is saying, even though he was an extremist. I think that if all preconcieved notions are torn asunder and disregarded, one can adress something in a clear and logical manner, while at the same time taking into consideration impartial and open-minded historical analyses.

An open letter to 'the world'
By Rabbi Meir Kahane, Zt"l

Dear World,

It Appears That You Are Hard To Please.

I understand that you are upset over us, here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and outraged? Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily. Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we, the Jewish people - upset you. We upset a German people who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset. We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

It is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish State.

The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home - to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset. Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state - we continue to upset you.

You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset.

The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929. Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967?

And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset, then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them..............

Dear world, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us. In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

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Even though I do not agree with Kahane in totality, I think that he makes some very interesting points. Those that have an open mind and those that judge wisely and slowly should consider what he is saying, even though he was an extremist. I think that if all preconcieved notions are torn asunder and disregarded, one can adress something in a clear and logical manner, while at the same time taking into consideration impartial and open-minded historical analyses.

An open letter to 'the world'
By Rabbi Meir Kahane, Zt"l

Dear World,

It Appears That You Are Hard To Please.

I understand that you are upset over us, here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and outraged? Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily. Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we, the Jewish people - upset you. We upset a German people who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset. We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

It is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish State.

The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home - to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset. Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state - we continue to upset you.

You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset.

The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929. Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967?

And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset, then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them..............

Dear world, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us. In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

Salaamu Alaykum,

The truth of the matter is the opposite of what kahane has presented and you have agreed with.

The Phalasteenee had land they owned and lived on for hundreds of years, even thousands for some.

The foreign invasion of the Zionists has driven them into extreme poverty where they once were wealthy with all they needed for food, shelter, and living at peace with their God, whether they were Jew, Muslim, Christian or atheist.

These statements are so silly and implausible!  What did the faces of the Zionist invaders look like as they massacered entire villages of defenseless citizens?  What do the faces of the soldiers and settlers look like as they bully, harass, bulldoze, imprison and torment the remnants of the Phalasteeneeyeen?

They have twisted, angry faces calling for blood and call the Phalasteeneeyeen the niggers of the Arab world.   What did you think?  They calmly and peacefully took their guns and tanks and bulldozers out and said in quiet voices:  Don't be alarmed.  Be calm.  We are going to kill you all now.  Leave, run if you can.  We don't mind.  Just don't come back, and don't tell anyone the truth about our massacres, Okay?

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Kahane's words are not a genuine point of view.  They are lies and propoganda.  The Zionists came; they massacred; they conquered, and they rule with an iron fist and team of bulldozers, fighter planes, and tanks provided by the United States Government and her people.

And as always we need to remember not to hate any but the oppressors.  Many Jews and Israeli Zion lovers hate the massacres and the oppression and fight it as much as they can.

When we let hatred blind us to truths, good and bad, the evil in this world win.

Peace

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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The Balfour deceleration predates all these dates and shows an established and long running campaign by the jews to take Palestine from the Palestinians. what he speaks of according to what little i know where backlashes against the jewish communities that at the time where clearly trying to steal land, jews that had no direct/blood lineage to the original jewish people in the roman times.

This is clear and rational thought, jews who already lived there in peace with the arabs apposed the state of Israel.

Islamicly speaking no massacre is justifiable for any reason not even in a valid jihad.
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I will analyze the whole of your reply.

Salaamu Alaykum,

The truth of the matter is the opposite of what kahane has presented and you have agreed with.

First of all, I did not make any statements of approbation, do not take what I have stated out of context, and do not my manipulate my words. "The truth of the matter" is more complicated than it seems, and it is never "the opposite" of anything, but a variation of that something intertwined with differential conjectures, analyses, and ideas that may just turn out to be a matter of perception that is reasonable than anything periphreal.

The Phalasteenee had land they owned and lived on for hundreds of years, even thousands for some.

The "Phalastenee" did not have anything as far ownership is concerned, that area of land was controlled by the Turks, or Ottomon Empire. If you were educated properly maybe then you would take it upon yourself to read before speaking. Also, the "Phalasteenee" were not just Muslims, they were also Jews and Christians. Over half a million Jews lived in "Palestine" before the state of Israel was even an idea.

Additionally, the Muslim "Palestinians" of today could not have been their thousands of years, Islam is only about 1500 years old, and the Turks conquered that area in about the 12th century. What do the "Palestinians" have to do with anything? 

The word Palestinian or Filastin, as the country is called in Arabic, is not Palestinian‑Arab in origin (the Arabs of the region rarely used it before 1948) but refers to the biblical "Philistines," whose name the ancient Romans gave to the country in an attempt to obliterate the Jews' connection to it, and even this designation created by the Romans did not have any direct connection to the Palestinians.

The contemporary Palestinian people are just a dialect of a larger sorrounding group that subsumed many other nationalities, and civilzations, a group that was ruled by the Turks, British, and the French before 1948, and a group that never really had their own unified nation, but were composed of conglomerations of tribes, some of which are Bedouins, and some actually serve in the Israeli army.

Also, ownership was not emphasized by Kahane, he merely spoke of murders, you are changing the subject. If you are trying to say that sand is more imporant than humanity then you need a serious brain transplant.

The foreign invasion of the Zionists has driven them into extreme poverty where they once were wealthy with all they needed for food, shelter, and living at peace with their God, whether they were Jew, Muslim, Christian or atheist.

Actually, they or the Mulslim Arabs who you think are the Palestinians, were in extreme poverty before the "Zionists" were ever there, and when the "Zionists" came, the land was revitilized, and many Arab buisnesses began to prosper. Their poverty was caused by Islamic rule, and Ottomon tax demands, demands that ecologically devasted "Palestine" because taxes were demanded for every tree that was in the ground,and many trees were obviously removed. This was the Ottomon way of capitilizing off the destruction of mother nature.

These statements are so silly and implausible!  What did the faces of the Zionist invaders look like as they massacered entire villages of defenseless citizens? 

Hypothetically speaking, they probably looked, in this imaginary situation, like the faces of your brethren at a Hamas demonstration, or the Arab actors on your telivision networks that pretend to be Jews, and try to make ugly faces.

What do the faces of the soldiers and settlers look like as they bully, harass, bulldoze, imprison and torment the remnants of the Phalasteeneeyeen?

What do the faces of your brothers look like when they yell "Allah Akbar" and blow themselves up, and kill innocent Israeli children?

They have twisted, angry faces calling for blood and call the Phalasteeneeyeen the niggers of the Arab world.   What did you think?  They calmly and peacefully took their guns and tanks and bulldozers out and said in quiet voices:  Don't be alarmed.  Be calm.  We are going to kill you all now.  Leave, run if you can.  We don't mind.  Just don't come back, and don't tell anyone the truth about our massacres, Okay?

Forgive me, but were you involved in these massacres because you seem to have first hand knowledge of this? Are you one of the "niggers" that the Israelies left alone so you could perpetuate the "truth" of the "Israeli evil" all over the world, and your imaginary saintliness, and propriety in times of war?

Kahane's words are not a genuine point of view.  They are lies and propoganda.  The Zionists came; they massacred; they conquered, and they rule with an iron fist and team of bulldozers, fighter planes, and tanks provided by the United States Government and her people.

Your words are obviously the most genuine, that is exactly why you protest the idea of Islam being a violent religion with violence, and treat your women like filthy dogs. Who are these Zionists? What is the definition of that word? To most Arabs a "zionist" and a Jew is a synonymous term, please clarify what you mean. I must admit that certain "Zionists" acted unethically, but did you ever take a look in the mirror at your own reflection before you label the "Zionists" evil, or animalistic?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that these "Zionists rule with an Iron fist," so what then does the Taliban do? What does Iran do? Do they rule with a wooden penus? Or maybe a suicide bomb and an ak-47? If you are going to hold the "Zionists" up to a certain standard, I expect you to do that for everybody. After all, you are an educated and inteligent individual.

And as always we need to remember not to hate any but the oppressors.  Many Jews and Israeli Zion lovers hate the massacres and the oppression and fight it as much as they can.

Who is this "we" that you speak of? I am definately not a part of this "we," nor am I your oppressor, I respect you like a brother, and I wish that we could live as a single entity in serenity. We are after all cousins, as tradition dictates. "Many Jews and Israeli Zion lovers" do fight "the oppresion." They fight the oppresion of the Jewish people and western society that has become prey to your uneducated oligarchs and tyrants that want to consume the world in a ball of fire, and bring everybody back to the middle ages, a time when the Islamic civilization was thought to be the most glorious, even though that was a time when your people were involved more so with science than religious propoganda, and nonsensical-contradictory and anti-semetic philosophy.

When we let hatred blind us to truths, good and bad, the evil in this world win.

That is something I agree with, Amen.

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The Balfour deceleration predates all these dates and shows an established and long running campaign by the jews to take Palestine from the Palestinians. what he speaks of according to what little i know where backlashes against the jewish communities that at the time where clearly trying to steal land, jews that had no direct/blood lineage to the original jewish people in the roman times.

Palestinians weren't just Mulsims, some of them were also Jewish and Christians so why would they try to steal land from themselves? They were a part of this sociopolitical enviroment, and did not need to make any claims because of their historical right, the oppresion and suffering caused by Muslim Palestinians, and because of their living side by side with these same Muslim Palestinians for hundreds of years.

And what exactly did those Muslim Palestinians know of our lineage? And how were those Jewish Palestinians trying to steal land if they already lived side by side with these same people before the creation of the state of Israel? Are you saying that a Muslim has more right to that land than a Jew, and are you saying that these Palestinian murders conducted research on Jewish lineage before they murdered them?

What is the source for your observations, that they were killed because they were trying to take land? Maybe they were used as a scapegoat and a mechanism of displacement as they were in Morrocco and Egypt. For the sake of argument, let's say they were trying to steal land. How do you justify the murder of women and children by suggesting that they stole land? How would children be able to steal land? How do you superimpose material things over people?

This is clear and rational thought, jews who already lived there in peace with the arabs apposed the state of Israel.

What about the Jews that the Arabs killed? Were those Jews in peace with the Arabs because they were resting with the ground?

Actually, the only Jews that opposed the creation of the State of Israel in 1948 were the religious, the same people your telivision networks denounce, castigate, and degrade.

Islamicly speaking no massacre is justifiable for any reason not even in a valid jihad.

Tell that to the Palestians, Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians, and Saudis. Maybe they will listen to you, you are one of their brothers.

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Israeli Avatar,

Just to quench my curiousity can you provide tangible evidence that Israeli is not a racist state and extends rights to "all individuals" no matter their religion, race or creed?

Can you also provide tangible evidence (aside from personal opinion) that the current massacre of the Palestinians is a solution to root out terrorism?

One last thing.....

Can you also provide evidence of a strategy provided by Israel to create some kind of middle east peace where the Palestinians can have their own state without the fear of being exterminated?

Bulldozing homes of Palestinians and calling it justice is not a solution and frankly, it is not even justice. I'm sure there are Palestinians that do harbor criminals but they do so because they really don't like Israel not because they support their actions. Similarly we cops face this on the streets everyday. Many neighborhoods where neighbors are very "nosy" harbor criminals who ahve committed serious crimes (even murders). When we caught a criminal in a neighbors house we asked them: "Why did you harbor a criminal?" They told us "We don't like cops."

I'm very critical of both states because both Palestinians and Israelis are to blame for their own mess but I believe personally that Israel, because of their capability is being too aggressive and too fanatical with their agenda to root out terrorism. I'm awaiting for someone who lives  in that region (or has good knowledge of the current situation) to show me tangible proof that their side is right.

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Salaamu Alaykum,

I won't analyze the whole of your reply.  However, a couple of quick points from a busy Muslim mom:

The Phalasteeneeyeen were mostly wealthy in the wealth of the abundance that their beautiful land provided, and still does, just to their oppressors and not them.  I read Exodus by Uris and the lies it perpetrated.  The Jews, Christians, Muslims and others lived mostly peaceful, happy lives, especially compared to what their lives are like after the Zionist invasion supported at first by those who wished to rid their countries of the Jews they hated.

And believe me if I had the time and energy I might insult you in return, but it is against the rules of this forum to do so, so I suggest you desist from it.  And these ideas and thoughts all came from the beautiful brain that my Loving Lord has provided me with.  Al-Hamdulilah.  Allahu Akbar!

Just to be clear or hopefully so, I love Jews and Muslims and Christians and yes, even atheists, who are decent people who respect and care for others lives and property and don't make excuses to massacre, ignore, or marginalize human suffering.  My distress and sadness encompasses the Jews and Christians and atheists as well as Muslims who suffer under the Zionist racist occupation of Phalasteen.

Islaam was the first and will be the last religion.  We submit our hearts, minds, bodies and souls to Allah, the Ubiquitous.

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I will analyze the whole of your reply.

Salaamu Alaykum,

The truth of the matter is the opposite of what kahane has presented and you have agreed with.

First of all, I did not make any statements of approbation, do not take what I have stated out of context, and do my manipulate my words. "The truth of the matter" is more complicated than it seems, and it is never "the opposite" of anything, but a variation of that something intertwined with differential conjectures, analyses, and ideas that may just turn out to be a matter of perception that is reasonable than anything periphreal.

The Phalasteenee had land they owned and lived on for hundreds of years, even thousands for some.

The "Phalastenee" did not have anything as far ownership is concerned, that area of land was controlled by the Turks, or Ottomon Empire. If you were educated properly maybe then you would take it upon yourself to read before speaking. Also, the "Phalasteenee" were not just Muslims, they were also Jews and Christians. Over half a million Jews lived in "Palestine" before the state of Israel was even an idea.

Additionally, the Muslim "Palestinians" of today could not have been their thousands of years, Islam is only about 1500 years old, and the Turks conquered that area in about the 12th century. What do the "Palestinians" have to do with anything? 

The word Palestinian or Filastin, as the country is called in Arabic, is not Palestinian‑Arab in origin (the Arabs of the region rarely used it before 1948) but refers to the biblical "Philistines," whose name the ancient Romans gave to the country in an attempt to obliterate the Jews' connection to it, and even this designation created by the Romans did not have any direct connection to the Palestinians.

The contemporary Palestinian people are just a dialect of a larger sorrounding group that subsumed many other nationalities, and civilzations, a group that was ruled by the Turks, British, and the French before 1948, and a group that never really had their own unified nation, but were composed of conglomerations of tribes, some of which are Bedouins, and some actually serve in the Israeli army.

Also, ownership was not emphasized by Kahane, he merely spoke of murders, you are changing the subject. If you are trying to say that sand is more imporant than humanity then you need a serious brain transplant.

The foreign invasion of the Zionists has driven them into extreme poverty where they once were wealthy with all they needed for food, shelter, and living at peace with their God, whether they were Jew, Muslim, Christian or atheist.

Actually, they or the Mulslim Arabs who you think are the Palestinians, were in extreme poverty before the "Zionists" were ever there, and when the "Zionists" came, the land was revitilized, and many Arab buisnesses began to prosper. Their poverty was caused by Islamic rule, and Ottomon tax demands, demands that ecologically devasted "Palestine" because taxes were demanded for every tree that was in the ground,and many trees were obviously removed. This was the Ottomon way of capitilizing off the destruction of mother nature.

These statements are so silly and implausible!  What did the faces of the Zionist invaders look like as they massacered entire villages of defenseless citizens? 

Hypothetically speaking, they probably looked, in this imaginary situation, like the faces of your brethren at a Hamas demonstration, or the Arab actors on your telivision networks that pretend to be Jews, and try to make ugly faces.

What do the faces of the soldiers and settlers look like as they bully, harass, bulldoze, imprison and torment the remnants of the Phalasteeneeyeen?

What do the faces of your brothers look like when they yell "Allah Akbar" and blow themselves up, and kill innocent Israeli children?

They have twisted, angry faces calling for blood and call the Phalasteeneeyeen the niggers of the Arab world.   What did you think?  They calmly and peacefully took their guns and tanks and bulldozers out and said in quiet voices:  Don't be alarmed.  Be calm.  We are going to kill you all now.  Leave, run if you can.  We don't mind.  Just don't come back, and don't tell anyone the truth about our massacres, Okay?

Forgive me, but were you involved in these massacres because you seem to have first hand knowledge of this? Are you one of the "niggers" that the Israelies left alone so you could perpetuate the "truth" of the "Israeli evil" all over the world, and your imaginary saintliness, and propriety in times of war?

Kahane's words are not a genuine point of view.  They are lies and propoganda.  The Zionists came; they massacred; they conquered, and they rule with an iron fist and team of bulldozers, fighter planes, and tanks provided by the United States Government and her people.

Your words are obviously the most genuine, that is exactly why you protest the idea of Islam being a violent religion with violence, and treat your women like filthy dogs. Who are these Zionists? What is the definition of that word? To most Arabs a "zionist" and a Jew is a synonymous term, please clarify what you mean. I must admit that certain "Zionists" acted unethically, but did you ever take a look in the mirror at your own reflection before you label the "Zionists" evil, or animalistic?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that these "Zionists rule with an Iron fist," so what then does the Taliban do? What does Iran do? Do they rule with a wooden penus? Or maybe a suicide bomb and an ak-47? If you are going to hold the "Zionists" up to a certain standard, I expect you to do that for everybody. After all, you are an educated and inteligent individual.

And as always we need to remember not to hate any but the oppressors.  Many Jews and Israeli Zion lovers hate the massacres and the oppression and fight it as much as they can.

Who is this "we" that you speak of? I am definately not a part of this "we," nor am I your oppressor, I respect you like a brother, and I wish that we could live as a single entity in serenity. We are after all cousins, as tradition dictates. "Many Jews and Israeli Zion lovers" do fight "the oppresion." They fight the oppresion of the Jewish people and western society that has become prey to your uneducated oligarchs and tyrants that want to consume the world in a ball of fire, and bring everybody back to the middle ages, a time when the Islamic civilization was thought to be the most glorious, even though that was a time when your people were involved more so with science than religious propoganda, and nonsensical-contradictory and anti-semetic philosophy.

When we let hatred blind us to truths, good and bad, the evil in this world win.

That is something I agree with, Amen.

Peace

 



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