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Quote Zanjabil Replybullet Posted: 20 August 2007 at 6:58am

Here's a story about mass graves in Afghanistan and the US army cover-up. Why are we not as concerned over this as we are about the Korean hostages? Where are the petitions of protest? Where is the outcry?

“During the first week of December 03, US corporate media reported that American forensic teams are working to document some 41 mass graves in Iraq to support future war crime tribunals in that country. Broadly covered in the media, as well, was the conviction of General Stanislav Galic by a UN tribunal for war crimes committed by Bosnian Serb troops under his command during the siege of Sarajevo in 1992-94.

“These stories show how corporate media likes to give the impression that the US government is working diligently to root out evil doers around the world and to build democracy and freedom. This theme is part of a core ideological message in support of our recent wars on Panama, Serbia, Afghanistan and Iraq. Governmental spin transmitted by a willing US media establishes simplistic mythologies of good vs. evil often leaving out historical context, special transnational corporate interests, and prior strategic relationships with the dreaded evil ones.

“The hypocrisy of US policy and corporate media complicity is evident in the coverage of Donald Rumsfeld’s stop over in Mazar-e Sharif Afghanistan December 4 to meet with regional warlord and mass killer General Abdul Rashid Dostum and his rival General Ustad Atta Mohammed. Rumsfeld was there to finalize a deal with the warlords to begin the decommissioning of their military forces in exchange for millions of dollars in international aid and increased power in the central Afghan government.

“Few people in the US know that General Abdul Rashid Dostum fought alongside the Russians in the 1980s, commanding a 20,000-man army. He switched sides in 1992 and joined the Mujahidin when they took power in Kabul. For over a decade, Dostum was a regional warlord in charge of six northern provinces, which he ran like a private fiefdom, making millions, by collecting taxes on regional trade and international drug sales. Forced into exile in Turkey by the Taliban in 1998, he came back into power as a military proxy of the US during the invasion of Afghanistan.

“Charged with mass murder of prisoners of war in the mid-90s by the UN, Dostum is known to use torture and assassinations to retain power. Described by the Chicago Sun Times (10/21/01) as a “cruel and cunning warlord,” he is reported to use tanks to rip apart political opponents or crush them to death. Dostum, a seventh grade dropout, likes to put up huge pictures of himself in the regions he controls, drinks Johnnie Walker Blue Label, and rides in an armor-plated black Cadillac.

“A documentary entitled Massacre at Mazar released in 2002 by Scottish film producer, Jamie Doran, exposes how Dostum, in cooperation with U.S. special forces, was responsible for the torturing and deaths of approximately 3,000 Taliban prisoners-of-war in November of 2001. In Doran’s documentary, two witnesses report on camera how they were forced to drive into the desert with hundreds of Taliban prisoners held in sealed cargo containers. Most of the prisoners suffocated to death in the vans and Dostum’s soldiers shot the few prisoners left alive. One witness told the London Guardian that a US Special Forces vehicle was parked at the scene as bulldozers buried the dead. A soldier told Doran that U.S. troops masterminded a cover-up. He said the Americans ordered Dostum’s people to get rid of the bodies before satellite pictures could be taken.”

http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/corporatemedia.html

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Quote syed123 Replybullet Posted: 20 August 2007 at 8:50pm

ak_m_f   has made a very valid point with regards to the sufferings of a section of muslims due to emotions prevailing over logic and reason.

Also Zanjabil, nobody is perfect not  the US army or any army of the world.

The point is that the time of pointing fingers is long over.

Either we uphold the noble traditions of Islam ,take the moral high ground ,encourage intra and interfaith dialogue ,tread the path of peace and progress or be reduced to penury  and a life of misery due to our failure to curb the forces of intolerance,radicalism and extremism present within.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2007 at 1:45am

Also Zanjabil, nobody is perfect not the US army or any army of the world.

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God forbid, had anyone else mentioned anything like that, Morshed won't have even asked us to sit down, he would have simply charged with "you hate everything western" and "specially American" and ended the sermon there and then.

The point is that the time of pointing fingers is long over.

Shall we now all dance? When does the great fiesta begin? to celebrate the fact that the Alliance of the Billing has ceased to slaughter Muslims and peace has now dancing everywhere?

Either we uphold the noble traditions of Islam ,take the moral high ground ,encourage intra and interfaith dialogue ,tread the path of peace and progress or be reduced to penury and a life of misery due to our failure to curb the forces of intolerance, radicalism and extremism present within.

We love your sermons, Master, despite the fact that these come certified, by none other than your ownself!

May I ask you just a question and will you please answer it?

Are these the forces of intolerance, radicalism and extremism are merely present within?

These forces are something just home grown? cultured by the mere Axis of Evil? otherwise there is no rhym nor reason for their existence. 

Could you, please, also tell us: why would we pay more attention to you WHEN the State Department has been trying to push the same very sermon for years and with far better resources?

Take some moral High Ground and the Hyenas will eat grass?(Won't say tiger. Tiger is an exceptionally noble creature)



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Quote Zanjabil Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2007 at 3:15am

Syed123, my question was: the US army aided a war criminal in the cover-up of thousands of murders. Where is our international moral outrage?

Your answer? "Nobody is perfect." Kindly explain your meaning.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2007 at 4:01am

encourage intra and interfaith dialogue

There has been no such thing going before you suddenly dreamt about it?

Zapatero, the Spanish Prime Minister initiated the Alliance of Civilisations, ages ago for not just dialogue, but other activities also.

I know the US media is mumb about it, for the obvious reason; Spain is now a part of the Axis of Evil, since they withdrew their forces from the Iraq disaster.

The Great Morshed Questions Time!

1. Are you trying to tell us that the Muslims around the world have not had any effort at any such dialogue?

2. Or, by dialogue, you mean; we should all stand up and accept total and entire responsibilty for whatever has ever gone wrong in this world?

3. Or are you just so infatuated with the American dream that you fail (or, just refuse) to see who has NOT been KEEN on any dialogue - of other than the 52,000 feet from the air kind?

Please just answer these simple questions in plain simple words. No more sermons please.



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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2007 at 4:16am

Syed123, my question was: the US army aided a war criminal in the cover-up of thousands of murders. Where is our international moral outrage?

Zanjabil, please, be fair, when we swear total allegiance to the US media and come to accept it as some article of our faith, do we leave any gaps for things like international moral outrage or for even some mere balance?

I could be wrong. It's August and it might have gone on vacation?

Whatever you do, please, don't pay any attention to all these others, on this Forum, who think that my innocent Morshed is, in fact, working for Karen Hughe's "Dump All Our Misdeeds on the Mozlims" department.

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Quote syed123 Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2007 at 8:34pm

Thank you for all the interesting questions.Let me get to Whisper first.

The Forces of intolerance, radicalism and extremism are every where and not merely within ,but some one  needs to take the moral high ground  .I believe muslims stand to gain morally,materially and faithwise by taking the initiative and confronting and isolating  the forces of ignorance  listed above.

Muslims on the whole do not have a unified voice or leadership and as such have been ineffective in communicating with the West on important issues of peace,security and tolerance.

The West only gets to hear what the Neo-Cons would like them to hear.

This issue needs our urgent attention and this is where Inter-faith and intra faith dialogues are crucial in building bridges .

I have never stated that all the problems of this universe are our fault alone.

But the fact remains that certain events committed by fringe elements within like the  suicide bombings,9/11,train bombings of spain,the Bali bombings,London bombings,the various conflicts in places like southern thailand,somalia,chechnya,kashmir,afghanistan,iraq, Phillipines etc have all increased the focus on Muslims throughout the world.

Muslims now are on the defensive all over the world and being wrongly portrayed as a extremist   religion bent on establishing their hegemony through violence.

This falsehood needs to be countered and the misunderstandings cleared not for any body's benefit but for the benefit of the majority peace loving muslims like us because otherwise genuine movements like the one in Chechnya are being painted with the same brush of terrorism.

There is a serious lack of communication and misunderstandings  between the common man in the west and the ordinary muslim on the street.          ; ;           ; ;           ; ;      Earlier this gap had a chance of being bridged through the power of Dawah but thanks to the lunatic  extremist fringe elements  within ,,Dawah has taken a backseat presently due to increased mistrust and preformed notions about Islam in general and Muslims in particular.



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Quote syed123 Replybullet Posted: 21 August 2007 at 8:55pm

With respect to the question posed by Zanjabil,Firstly Unlike most of the middle eastern monarchies  where people pretty much do not have a voice,America being a functioning democracy ,every action is closely scrutinised and answers demanded under the public eye.

Like any sovereign country america has to protect its national interests and an incident like 9/11 was a direct attack on its national interest and groups like the taliban encouraging such attacks had to be held accountable.

People like Dostum were able to go scot free and international censure of america was muted because the common opposing force was the taliban which  by its extremist and intolerant actions has portrayed itself as an evil and dangerous group in the West.

Extreme groups like the taliban which do not  believe or advocate tolerance and eschew any form of accountability for their actions should also be ready to face consequences for their extremist policies.

 



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