![]() |
Active Topics Memberlist Calendar Search |
Old Forum |
|
Advertisement: |
| Current Events | |
| |
|
| << Prev Page of 24 Next >> |
| Author | Message |
|
syed123
Senior Member
Joined: 05 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 131 |
Posted: 14 August 2007 at 8:44pm |
|
First of all to all my fellow contributors i would likely to gently remind them that this thread is not about Gen Pervez Musharraf who though is a sincere and true patriot like everyone has his share of mistakes and policy failures. In reply to Whisper's posers to me, I was born in a lower middle class family and have experienced first hand the the trials and tribulations of hardship and poverty .Yes, i have travelled around the world but also have lived in a village and also seen first hand the manipulation and exploitation of the common folk in the name of religion and secretarianism. I dont know about Musharraf but Insha-allah i have made a vow to spend everything i have to the last penny to establish an institution which imparts quality moral, worldly and religious education to muslim children and help them become quality law abiding citizens and compete as equals in the global arena. I have never said that the west is perfect . Also i am not at afraid in any way to either support or oppose Altaf Hussein or his detractors when the time comes.
Edited by syed123 |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
ak_m_f
Senior Member
Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 12:57am |
|
O for Gods sake stop speading propaganda.It was an incendiary grenade.
White phosphorus is a flare / smoke producing incendiary weapon, or smoke-screening agent, made from a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus. Pakistan produces WP smoke grenades;non-bursting type grenade used for creating smokescreen with incendiary effect. |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
ak_m_f
Senior Member
Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 12:59am |
|
Originally posted by Farwa_Syeda
Is it way to attain peace and make the world more safer to live in?atleast not for me Abdul Aziz, was caught escaping in a burqa. Strongly underlining his will to die for their cause, his support for the brother, his belief and faith in islamic stance, and on top of it all, the principles and morals he claim to be protector of. A man dressed in a burqa, escaping amongst other sisters. How Islamic, right? Edited by ak_m_f |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Farwa_Syeda
Groupie
Joined: 11 March 2007 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 1:54am |
|
To caught abdul aziz in burqa was nothing but a political game,wicked scheme and another obvious attempt to disgrace Ulmas(who r really respectable acc to teachings of our beloved PeophetSAW)which mushraff govt is continuosly doing.if someone doesnt care abt Hurmat of Quran n Hadiths then how can he take care abt hurmat of ulmas and hafaaz and respected daughters and sisters of nation.to expect respect frmm such an animal is nothing but ridiculous.well bro thats a matter of common sense if he wanted to escape then y he was escaping without his family.can u think abt it?i think for someone lives of his/her loved ones are more important than his/her life.if a person is giving a sacrifice of his whole family then its not hard for such a person to give his own life.to sacrifice only son of 20 years old is more hard than to sacrifice own life.but u cant understand that as u can only understand the language of dictators and beasts like bush and mushraff. well lets suppose for the sake of argument that he was trying to escape then my brother still to catch someone in brothel or night clubs or at the station of prostitutes iz most degraded and worst than to catch someone in burqa.isnt it? |
|
|
Islam is a way of life, try it. Islam is a gift, accept it.Islam is a goal, achieve it.Islam is not a game, don't play with it .Islam has a message for you, hear it. Islam is love, love it .
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Farwa_Syeda
Groupie
Joined: 11 March 2007 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:05am |
Musharraf terrorises the nation with Lal Masjid assault
Publication time: 21 July 2007, 15:06 It is well known that the Red Mosque had extensive links with elements of the establishment. ISI officials have in the past been closely connected with the seminary, links that were forged during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The question that arises is how has it been possible for the Mosque students to go virtually unchallenged in the last 6 months on the streets of Islamabad? In their self styled campaign they targeted alleged prostitutes and music shops. Yet the obvious question is how has this been possible right under the noses of Musharraf's regime, an area where the National Assembly, Supreme Court and Musharraf's Presidential Palace itself is closely situated nearby? How were these students in the Red Mosque allowed to build up such an alleged large arsenal of weapons without been detected? Musharraf has tried to justify the operation by saying that he wanted a peaceful outcome and avoid large-scale casualties, particularly with such a large number of women and children being involved. However his real intention was made evident when on 29th June he said to journalists "Can you guarantee that blood of any dead or injured will not be screened on television channels during the operation?" If the regime really wanted a peaceful outcome all it had to do was wait after cutting off all gas, electricity and food supplies to the compound. The recent past shows that Musharraf has always used military force in such situations where he has been confronted by opponents, whether Islamic or Nationalistic. The lessons of Nawab Akbar Bugti, the Balochi rebels and the operations in the tribal areas of Waziristan show this to be true. Indeed in the past Musharraf has unashamedly said, "If someone happens to be very close to [the target], that somebody is an abetter and they suffer the loss. Sometimes, indeed, women and children have been killed but they have been right next to the place. It's not that the strike was inaccurate but they happen to be there, so therefore they are all supporters and abetters of terrorism - and therefore they have to suffer. It's bad luck." The regime repeatedly alleged that there were 'hundreds' of fighters including suicide bombers inside as well being heavily armed with all sorts of light weaponry. Independent observes though estimated that at least over a thousand students were still inside the Red Mosque compound at the time of the assault, mostly women and children. Musharraf further alleged that highly wanted foreign terrorists were amongst the students. But by the regime's own admission only about 80 alleged fighters have been killed. It remains unclear how many women and children were rescued, if at all. No bodies have been produced thus far to substantiate the claim that foreign fighters were indeed amongst the dead. Moreover only 11 Pakistani commandos died in the operation. How could this be possible if the militants were so heavily armed and prepared for suicide bombings? Ghazi claimed in his final phone interview they only had 14 AK-47s to defend themselves. If Musharraf's claims were true there should have been many more deaths amongst his troops. The other possible part of the explanation of why casualties were so low amongst the security forces is that they indiscriminately attacked everyone inside the Red Mosque to minimise their own losses. With the world's media gazing on, an air strike would have been political suicide. They had to be seen to be trying to save lives. Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz(imported PM as mushraff failed to find a person of his wicked mentality and nature inside Pakistan) claimed that not a single woman or child died but as details emerge reports suggest otherwise. Indeed there are reports of mass graves being dug to quickly bury the dead with hundreds of students including women and children being killed with many more unaccounted for. With the media being denied access to the Mosque in the aftermath no one can believe the carefully choreographed footage shown on state television by a regime which has every motive to hide the number killed. The only question that remains is why Musharraf chose to wait so long whilst a surreal situation developed on the streets of Islamabad? One can begin to see why and the real motives at play when one evaluates the wider picture for Musharraf's actions. The whole issue began when Musharraf's regime demolished six mosques it claimed were built illegally on government land prompting girls from the adjoined Jamia Hafsa to occupy a library at the beginning of this year. It is not hard to see how the regime easily goaded the Red Mosque. Musharraf needed a distraction as the political opposition continued to build momentum opposing his bid to be re-elected to the Presidency using the current National and Provincial assemblies as expected later this year. Musharraf is desperate to hang on to both the Presidency and the Chief of Army Staff post, his real source of power. Rather than taking the risk of relying upon new assemblies, Musharraf seeks a new 5-year term rubber stamped by the current assemblies. The opposition snowballed with Musharraf's clumsy attempted dismissal of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Iftikhar Chaudary, who he tried to remove unceremoniously so that a more pliant lackey would negate any legal challenges to his re-election. Chaudary's unprecedented opposition to Musharraf has created a crisis, which has sent him reeling. In recent months the opposition has cleverly exploited the issue built around Chaudary, which has seen thousands taking to the streets of Pakistan, all opposed to Musharraf. This culminated with the pro-Musharraf MQM clashing with opposition supporters on the streets of Karachi on May 12th 2007 where Chaudary was due to address a rally. Dozens of people were shot dead and many more injured. With Geo and Aaj Television studios also being attacked, Musharraf has tried to intimidate and silence the media from reporting on recent events. It is no coincidence that he deployed 12,000 security personnel around Islamabad, a grotesque overkill designed in reality to prevent any kind of political protests. In the next few weeks the Supreme Court is due to rule on the suspension of the Chief Justice, which has thrown out evidence from Musharraf's lawyers. Together with this backdrop and his regime's abysmal response to the recent Balochistan floods, Musharraf is under severe pressure to do something to save his skin, which he literally described as his army uniform. This pressure was further amplified with the political opposition massing in London for an 'All Parties Conference' (APC) in which all the major opposition leaders from 38 parties attended, apart from Benazir Bhutto, who sent her deputy Makhdoom Amin Fahim instead for the PPP. Musharraf has always sought to divide the opposition. It was no small achievement to see so many disparate groups come together. The APC agreed that if Musharraf tries to have himself re-elected before holding new elections they would all resign on masse from the Senate and Assemblies. All agreed apart from Bhutto's PPP, which said it will consider it's position at such a time. With the attack on the Red Mosque Musharraf has clearly hoped it will help break the momentum of the opposition, divert attention away from the APC and reinvigorate his position in the West as ‘bulwark' against ‘Islamic Extremism'. Musharraf's objective is clear; he wants to hold on to power at any cost. This is not the only pressure Musharraf is facing. The recent book by Dr Ayesha Siddiqa, Military Inc, has only brought more scrutiny on the actions of his regime. The book revealed how the top tier of Musharraf's handpicked officers are more busy making money in business enterprises and sinecures rather then focusing on defending the country. Where Musharraf has deployed his troops, it has been to placate his western masters. Musharraf has deployed more than 80,000 Pakistani troops in the tribal areas to aid America's 'War on Terror'. Musharraf's chosen course has serious implications for Pakistan and marks a watershed in his dictatorship. His operations in Waziristan and Balochistan before were relatively out of sight; the Red Mosque attack was covered live on TV. Musharraf has clearly signalled that he is ready to spill blood and wants everyone in Pakistan, his opponents in particular, to understand this. Whether this intent is a bluff or not, Musharraf actions are only likely to provide him short-term relief. As in the case of the Chief Justice, many Pakistanis will see thorough Musharraf's scheming as the true picture emerges behind the Red Mosque massacre. Many will be understandably distraught throughout the country including the NWFP and the tribal heartlands. Inevitably there can only be more bloodshed in Pakistan, as some will choose violence to retaliate. Musharraf's myopic policies, not withstanding their heinous nature, have set the scene for a violent backlash, raising the spectre of civil war. Already nearly 70 Pakistani troops have been killed in a suicide bomb attacks, 24 in one alone. Whilst many fear these consequences, Musharraf himself may have concluded this and may actually even be hoping that this is the case. As opposition to him reaches unprecedented levels, further violence creates the perfect pretext to postpone elections indefinitely by declaring a state of emergency, effectively martial law. At a stroke Musharraf will have secured his power. However such a strategy is flawed. This will no doubt tempt Musharraf. But his western backers are more realistic and understand that their ‘man' may not last much longer. The Carnegie Endowment for International for Peace, an American think tank, has argued for all kinds of pressure to be applied on Musharraf to ditch his position of Army Chief. This is why the West has supported Musharraf's secret negotiations with Bhutto, perhaps the worst kept secret in Pakistan. A deal with Bhutto they believe will allow Musharraf to dump the religious parties of the MMA he has relied upon and use the PPP to lend a veneer of acceptable secular legitimacy to Musharraf's dictatorship. But a deal with Bhutto would not be without cost as inevitably she would seek to increase her own power at the expense of Musharraf's, in return for her party's support. More importantly Bhutto would hold little currency with many Pakistanis because of her past corrupt rule, such is her discredited character. Musharraf is damned whatever path he chooses.(to be continued) |
|
|
Islam is a way of life, try it. Islam is a gift, accept it.Islam is a goal, achieve it.Islam is not a game, don't play with it .Islam has a message for you, hear it. Islam is love, love it .
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
Farwa_Syeda
Groupie
Joined: 11 March 2007 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:19am |
|
But beyond Musharraf himself there are potentially graver perils on the horizon as he has opened a Pandora's box. A serious situation is developing in the northern area of Swat as Musharraf has dispatched another 10-20,000 troops to confront pro-Taliban forces. Just before the Red Mosque raid it is reported that Musharraf had agreed to give America and NATO permission to attack any target inside Pakistan itself. This Red Mosque raid may now provide a further pretext for such an eventuality and in fact may be the raison d'etre.
|
|
|
Islam is a way of life, try it. Islam is a gift, accept it.Islam is a goal, achieve it.Islam is not a game, don't play with it .Islam has a message for you, hear it. Islam is love, love it .
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
ak_m_f
Senior Member
Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:23am |
|
news source: Kavkaz Center aka Alqida recruiting website.
Do i need to say more? |
|
IP Logged |
|
|
ak_m_f
Senior Member
Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 2:30am |
|
please go back and read couple of pages from human beings point of view.
if you still dont see faults in gazi brothers then I am sorry for you. Edited by ak_m_f |
|
IP Logged |
|
| << Prev Page of 24 Next >> |
|
||
Forum Jump |
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
|
Note: The 99 names of Allah avatars are courtesy of www.arthafez.com
Advertisement: