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Quote Mustafaa Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2005 at 7:07am

Turks are permanent nation as Aleem Maulana Maududi stated in his tafseer which is called Tafheem'ul Qur'an

Does Mawdudi infer that from the Qur'an itself? Strange!

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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2005 at 7:15am
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Turks are permanent nation as Aleem Maulana Maududi stated in his tafseer which is called Tafheem'ul Qur'an

Does Mawdudi infer that from the Qur'an itself? Strange!

 Brother,there is no ayat telling about Turks,in his tafseer;he was talking about the history,giving the Turks as an example;as you know Maududi is one of the big historians in the world who put the history and the science of shariat in one box confirming each other...it was just an example telling that their backgrounds(Turk's) carries good potential for Islam....Wa Salaam...



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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2005 at 7:20am
A note;Kurds and Turks are brothers and sisters in ISLAM...we should join on the same point(Islam)....

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Quote fezziwig Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2005 at 8:54am
I believe that the constant interneccine problems we see between sects illustrates the wisdom of church/state separation. If it were just words and some civil injustice that might be tolerable, but war and genocide are so common between religion-dominated nations that it makes one sad.

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Quote Mustafaa Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2005 at 4:59am

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I believe that the constant interneccine problems we see between sects illustrates the wisdom of church/state separation. If it were just words and some civil injustice that might be tolerable, but war and genocide are so common between religion-dominated nations that it makes one sad.

That sounds like an "automated response". What religious sects are you talking about? We were talking about two separate nations that are both led by secularists. Religion-dominated nations? So funny when only about 10 per cent of Turks and Kurds are practising Muslims, and all their leading elites have nothing to do with Islam.

If Turks and Kurds were religiously motivated nations, the fight between the Kurdish rebels of PKK (=the Labour Party of Kurdistan =a secularist, socialist organization) and the secularist army of Turkey would not have taken place.

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:19am
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David,there will be no war between Kurds and Turks;we can't compare a nation with the persons living under the tents separated into 10.000 pieces....you can talk about Turkish/USA war but;we have no chance of saying,comparing a group with a country who has a past more than 5000 years having the world's second big army...please,search on more about Turkey....there will be no war with kurds only can be with Israel and USA,whenever the turkish army wants to kick them out;it will be only for united Iraq,not for it's benefits while they are sitting on the oil,Turks are permanent nation as Aleem Maulana Maududi stated in his tafseer which is called Tafheem'ul Qur'an...we don't use force for money and oil,just for peace and happiness.....Wa Salaam.

Excuse me for my little poking into the issue as I caught something strange here. Though I have poor knowledge about the kurds, however, to my understanding your reasoning is similar to what Israel try to portray to the world when it comes to genocide of innocent palestinians or when saddam hussain was crushing the kurds (his own muslim brothers and sisters in Islam). Your reasoning seems to say that since these kurds don't have a seperate national identity hence they don't have any logical grounds to raise their voice against these atrocities? If turkey also follow the same path as that of Sadam, then this action shall not be considered as war but a local issue? This is a strange view... However what will happen if the kurds do get some physical ground from new Iraqi settlement under the support of USA? Then the issue between the two (Turky and the kurds) would not be seen as a local issue but a war between the two nations. Regarding your notion of turks being permanent nation and its authenticity from Maulana Moududi, suffice to note that this concept of nation-state is quite recent in history. You can't extrapolate your analysis beyond, lets say, 4 to 5 centuries back what to talk of 5000 years. Who knows these turks and kurds, which we now see as two seperate identities, would have coexisted back then centuries ago? It would not be out of logic to even consider them two brothers from the same family, one opted to wander in one land and the other opted to go somewhere else; afterall, we are all from the same one seed of Adam. Isn't it?

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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2005 at 8:35am
Brother,i agree with u...i told about one or two conjectures about the issue and issue includes more than this...shortly we are agreed on the basics,coming to the analyses,i don't like that issue...so much pain includes inside of it and at these days my head can't resist;i seek for positive energy and this issue includes so much cruelty and negative energy and it disturbs me...i apologize...Wa Salaam... 
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